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hartiberlin

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #480 on: June 20, 2007, 05:50:21 PM »
Have you guys noticed what WaveWatcher said:

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One thing ran into another and I tied the pulse from one coil to another with some LC (no, not big enough mFd to hold a shock) to phase it so it is useful and next thing I know I have two small hacked RS transformers with PM inserted linked as one howling, audibly,  about 300hZ with no signal applied.

Note:   "RS" stands for RadioShack, I believe, "PM" for Permanent Magnet, and "LC"  for Inductor and Capacitor (to make a resonant tank and also change the phase a bit so it adds in feedback)

EM

Yes, makes me wonder,
if he has some kind of MEG self running device ?
Please WaveWatcher let us know.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #481 on: June 20, 2007, 06:11:37 PM »
Have you guys noticed what WaveWatcher said:

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One thing ran into another and I tied the pulse from one coil to another with some LC (no, not big enough mFd to hold a shock) to phase it so it is useful and next thing I know I have two small hacked RS transformers with PM inserted linked as one howling, audibly,  about 300hZ with no signal applied.

Note:   "RS" stands for RadioShack, I believe, "PM" for Permanent Magnet, and "LC"  for Inductor and Capacitor (to make a resonant tank and also change the phase a bit so it adds in feedback)

EM

Sounds like Hendershott!  Looking forward to more info!


D.

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #482 on: June 20, 2007, 06:15:46 PM »
@Darren
Thanks. Yes, I was aware your simplified circuit was for illustrative purposes only. My understanding of SM's reference of using high quality equipment in the TPU research was that with these calibre test equipment allow one to monitor what actually was happening from the waveforms when, perhaps mediocre equipment may fall short. Case in point, the 'seed' can't be seen properly with a 20MHz scope and might be interpreted as hash whereas it was clearly discernable with a 100MHz unit. Here we are all trying to reproduce and understand the frequency and phase relationship of the 3 harmonics with limited ability to generate stable synchronous or asynchronous clocks and much less the ability to monitor what is going on wrt the mobius when most of us don't have 'proper' instrumentation!

@bob.rennips
Thanks. Yes, maybe we need a spectrum analyser to see the details when we are near being able to reproduce the magic effect?

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #483 on: June 20, 2007, 06:25:55 PM »
High all,

please look at Otto's mixer: what is implemented is not OR but rather a sort of 'WIRED AND'.

Have you asked yourselves what happen when for example the lower freq oscillator is in it's 1 level? Well the connected Mosfet's Drain is locked to zero level so locking the same for all the others!! (no matter what they are doing).


OR, or Wired AND. It depends on how you look at it.

I see the inputs as an OR, because a logic 1 on f1, OR f2, OR f3 will pull all 3 coils to gnd.

I see the AND part more in an analog sense, in that the supply currents from each "ON" FET switch will sum together.

It's open to interpretation I suppose.

Darren

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #484 on: June 20, 2007, 06:44:09 PM »
@Darren,

Yes, in that sense we are speaking of the same final effect which is important.

For what I've seen the 'Seed' is created by a sweet combination of the 3 frequencies and from the catalyst field produced by the Mobius loops which MUST accelerate any particles (electrons, ions...) that appear to be in the nearings (tested experimentally: if you increase the heath sink modules distance from the ring...the Seed disappears!).  Then saying how is the creation process is really for now impossible. I urge every body to think about this!

Roberto

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #485 on: June 20, 2007, 07:21:37 PM »
Although I've used sine waves for the calculations the same principle still applies because your coils are physically spaced at different degrees apart around a circle. Becauase you are dealing with pulses into the kilohertz and even mega hertz which create magnetic waves that mix, the exact position of your coils, to the nearest 0.5mm will be critical to the phase required between your pulses. My guess is that 1st, 2nd and 3rd harmonics will work when the coils are identical AND they are positioned precisely around a circle equal distances apart. If your coils are slightly different and not quite in the correct place, your sweet spot frequencies don't lie on the 1st, 2nd, 3rd harmonics, resulting in only partial conversions.

Hmm  i always thought the sweet spot frq was a system response?


Below is to Anyone?  Everyone?

I would really and truely like to know the following:

1) What exactly is a kick?

2) What Exactly is a seed?

3) Does anyone have the algorythm or whatever math is used for "majic" please?

Last the question I keep asking over and over and have yet to get any kind of reasonable answer on:

4) How do you combine the "harmonics"?

5) Exactly what do you expect to see when combining those harmonics?

Any info that can be validated regarding the following questions would be very helpful in my understanding of your project.

Finally since a successful tpu is one that runs OU then ottos must run OU correct?

I mean like remove any power sources since the title of this thread does say "successful"?

So many questions so few answers!

 


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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #486 on: June 20, 2007, 08:54:35 PM »
@ Everyone

I received a PM from WaveWatcher to post here for you! 
Cheers,
Bruce
This is his message:

I've been trying to answer some questions but my posts will not take.

Please relay as you find useful. ---

My device is essentially the mirror image of the TPU. It is self-running after excitation but fails on inductive loads and overheats. The LC circuit was an attempt to bandpass the feedback to self-excite and limit the runaway effect which causes heating due to frequencies exceeding the mechanical characteristics of the device.

The 'seed' as you call it I have referred to as the PE (primary event). My theory on that is...

The PE is the first appearance of focused particles that are already trapped by the Earth's magnetic field. These devices are allowing these particles to be collected and refocused (aligned?) and uses them as the foundation for the summation of frequecies.

We don't normally see this energy because we are at the same potential.

These particles are expelled from the Sun. For a brief instant they are formed as a Mobius field and then deform into chaos. Many of these particles are hel in magnetic field. We are simply polarising and focusing something that is already there.

I won't release detail on mine as it continues to evolve. The design is flawed as it is rectangular causing losses and heating effects. Ironically, it is starting to resemble the Earth in that it will be a sphere with two inner coils. This to avoid field attenuation and prevent spurious emissions. The unwanted emissions appear to promote runaway.

It would appear to be a MEG but Tom's MEG had serious flaws - no accounting for wave timing to prevent hysterisis. Rely on rise mainly instead of rise and fall. No consideration that it is easier to complete a magnetic circuit instead of choke a completed one.

My time is limited as I still must provide for my family.

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #487 on: June 20, 2007, 09:15:22 PM »
@WaveWatcher

Keep on keepin' on! 

Very nice take on the subject at hand.

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #488 on: June 20, 2007, 11:13:09 PM »
Hmm  i always thought the sweet spot frq was a system response?


Below is to Anyone?  Everyone?

I would really and truely like to know the following:

1) What exactly is a kick?

2) What Exactly is a seed?

3) Does anyone have the algorythm or whatever math is used for "majic" please?

Last the question I keep asking over and over and have yet to get any kind of reasonable answer on:

4) How do you combine the "harmonics"?

5) Exactly what do you expect to see when combining those harmonics?


kokomoj0,

1) No one knows for sure.

2) Ask Otto and Roberto, but I believe this is unknown at the moment. I do have a hypothesis however, and will elaborate in another post later.

3) Please clarify the question.

4) Combining the harmonics can be how Otto is doing it, but this question also levers on what a kick is and how it manifests.

5) If the ECD converts the aether, then an overunity effect would be expected. According to SM, the right combination of frequencies is what allows conversion to take place...they are the catalyst. If CEMF is expected, then the ouput power to input power ratio would be maximized.

Darren

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #489 on: June 20, 2007, 11:15:49 PM »
WaveWatcher,

Thank you for the info. It is great to hear you have a Self-Runner.

So your LC network was meant as a bandpass filter. I see, interesting.  It seems you belive any frequency can amplify in feedback, so you're trying to reduce it to lower frequencies perhaps (to keep heating under control)

Rapid heating in magnetic cores is not uncommon and is quite a limitation.  High frequency cores cost a pretty penny.

So one question I have is this:   Will your setup self-run without the feedback LC network?    You seem to imply it can, but I want to be sure.  It might be the key, since lots of people have tried feedback with transformers before.  I like your early direction to study "regeneration" which uses feedback.  Tesla was big on this.

I'll be watching WaveWatcher more closely     :D     LOL

EM

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #490 on: June 20, 2007, 11:17:05 PM »
Wavewatcher,

Your device sounds intriguing.

It is worthy of its own thread, and I would encourage you to start a new one for it.

Darren

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #491 on: June 21, 2007, 12:23:33 AM »
Yes, Darren,

Wave watcher , Fantastic stuff, but Please do another thread! This one is for Otto and Roberto replication.

All else here, I urge you to do the replication.
You have the document??
What's stopping you?

It may not be a running generator yet but Please If have the skill its is time to do something..Common ground you know.

A walK to first base?

Before long most of  the discussions will only be relevent to those who have a little tornado...and some "seeds".

Threads  may become a bit disjointed as new people parachute in!

Great Days!!



Lindsay Mannix


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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #492 on: June 21, 2007, 12:39:44 AM »
@Wavewatcher,
Looks like you have cracked it then!
A self runner is something we all want to get running.
I almost guessed the same set of harmonic frequencies as you suggested.

Here's another thought I have been having:
Maybe the three coils can setup a magnetic magnifying lens that pulls in a massive concentration of magnetic earths field from above and below the ring. This magnetic field (vortex) induces the power in the output coils of the TPU.
So to prove this you could encase it in a container made of mu-metal say.

Any chance you could post a photo of your setup.

Its starting to get really interesting in this forum now - what we need is multiple replications of self-runners.

Regards
Rob


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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #493 on: June 21, 2007, 01:22:41 AM »
Hello All,

Here is a photo of my harmonic pulse board that I mentioned earlier. It also incorporates the mic4427 MOSFET drivers. This board has a 12-bit ripple counter installed which will allow me to select up to 12-harmonics from the single input frequency. All outputs are in sync and have a 50% duty cycle (I didn't think about pulse width control at the time I designed this). I also included a circuit schematic of the connections. This was drawn up in EagleCAD so if anyone wants the PCB drawing, let me know.

NOTE: This is an older photo of the board. I have since clipped off the capacitors on the output of the MOSFET drivers.

God Bless,
Jason O

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #494 on: June 21, 2007, 02:04:12 AM »
@Wavewatcher,


Here's another thought I have been having:
Maybe the three coils can setup a magnetic magnifying lens that pulls in a massive concentration of magnetic earths field from above and below the ring. This magnetic field (vortex) induces the power in the output coils of the TPU.



Thats what I said, vortexes!