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gn0stik

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #405 on: June 18, 2007, 08:14:51 PM »
Thanks Rich...got those.

Inductance is the most important measurement I need however, and failing that, I can calculate approximate inductance from the coil dimensions I mentioned.

Darren

When I get time I'll check the resistance and inductance of both coils. I gave resistence for both coils together, didn't think to do it separately.

Also, I've often though, "couldn't you have just counted turns when you wound?", And yet, I did not. Sorry about that, so no turn count. It's not too many though, we're not talking thousands, couple hundred on primary, max, little better than double that on the secondary.

Not that that helps.

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #406 on: June 18, 2007, 08:56:59 PM »
OK, I'd appreciate that, and it would be helpful for the project as a whole to see how close everyone is with their coils.

I may wind my own bifilar too (to your length and guage specs) for comparison and further analysis if need be.

Darren

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #407 on: June 18, 2007, 09:19:05 PM »
ya .. i was wondering the same .. it goes w/ what many of you have been saying ..

i mentioned this in the previous thread - http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2235.msg33932.html#msg33932  ;) :D

it could be the ion effect, superconduction . etc who knows ... BUT i am inclined to think that we are using a "brute force" approach to accessing this advanced energy .. if we extract this energy correctly, the device should actually be cool to the touch (again a guess).. .. many things could cancel the flux .. certain coil configs can do that too .. mobius, etc. I wonder how using crystals or fiber optics will play a role in advanced Free Energy extraction.

i am currently working on really looking at the SM vids frame by frame to see if i can make decent drawings of the devices .. they show some very good close ups of the 15" coil .. but i am also looking at the open frame TPU vids also to look at the coil configs and wiring ..

(something i found interesting .. if u look at the very OLD one, where he is in a workshop showing the small device flipping 180 degrees; if u look at the frame when he is flipping the device, u can see a metallic central vertical core. .. like a tesla coil)

ps .. i cant download the vid from the link or other vid downloaders .. it keeps erroring .. may be a prob on my end.

devilzangel
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Folks it just occurered to me, that SM used to talk about Vacuum tubes right, well how do they function, they produce heat, same thing what Otto and Roberto have found out,
what if this is what cancels the magnetic flux and speeds up our electrons, same as what happens ina vacuum tube.
what about the imploding tv set, if the coil malfunctioned or there was heat involved, which set things in motion, wow.........................

refer to the heat magnet motor, you bring heat next to iron, with magnetic field near it like a magnet, and what happens, it looses it magnetism, so im thinking along those lines:-http://scitoys.com/scitoys/scitoys/magnets/magnets.html

Also we know that these things produced heat, so there's the other clue.

Kind Rgds,

Dom

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #408 on: June 18, 2007, 09:22:33 PM »
Folks it just occurered to me, that SM used to talk about Vacuum tubes right, well how do they function, they produce heat, same thing what Otto and Roberto have found out,
what if this is what cancels the magnetic flux and speeds up our electrons, same as what happens ina vacuum tube.
what about the imploding tv set, if the coil malfunctioned or there was heat involved, which set things in motion, wow.........................

refer to the heat magnet motor, you bring heat next to iron, with magnetic field near it like a magnet, and what happens, it looses it magnetism, so im thinking along those lines:-http://scitoys.com/scitoys/scitoys/magnets/magnets.html

Also we know that these things produced heat, so there's the other clue.

Kind Rgds,

Dom

Dom hi,

You might have a good point there. It might be the very reason why SM was never able to solve the heat problem. I just wonder if this is the case why it already works at design maximum after a few seconds.....hardly time to heat up if it is that important.

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Robert

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #409 on: June 18, 2007, 09:26:00 PM »
If you keep cooking your mosfets try the IRF730 they seem to perform well for me.

I will do some more test later in the week to verify the seed.

Cam

Hi Cam,

I asked Otto a few days ago about the IRF730 as it has a even faster rise time then the IRF840 (10 ns against 23 ns), but according to him the IRF730 doesn't work properly for this setup. Input capacitance had something to do with it he said.

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Robert

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #410 on: June 18, 2007, 09:59:56 PM »
I?m am not sure what Otto might be referring to. He may mean his resistors on the mosfet may not work on the 730?s. It?s the capacitance of the fet that holds the mosfet on and that needs to be bled to ground with a resistor also it is a good idea to put a resistor to ground on the input to the driver from the 555?s or function gennies, otherwise the mossfet may not switch proper. Perhaps this is what he is referring too.

I am going to build another bottom ring and wrap right over the pipe as Otto describes. Just to make sure. Also I picked up another proto board today so I can have the mosfets inside the TPU.

This reminds me of the Gunderson experiment I did, It did show a change in the output of the horz wire?s sine wave when I tilted it upside down.

I would like to find a faster switching mosfet if I get the chance, as you said the 730?s are a wee bit slower but when I compared the two types I found the 840?s blew easer and drew more amps and I seem to get the same effects from the 730?s.

Anyone do the math to insure their gauge of wires were weight equivalent? 

Heres a pic of Tesla's coil he used to write a name. 

Cam   

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #411 on: June 18, 2007, 10:50:31 PM »
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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #412 on: June 19, 2007, 12:15:59 AM »
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gn0stik

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #413 on: June 19, 2007, 01:34:47 AM »
As per the document
Secondary 10.5m of .35mm wire
Primary 4.2m of .5mm ? 1mm wire
Control coils must be mass equivalent:

.5mm= 24gauge = .00122lbs per ft
1mm= 18gauge = .00492lbs per ft

4.2 meters = 13.777 feet
10.5 meters = 34.44 feet

13.777 ft * .00122Lbs per ft <24 gauge>= .01586lbs

.35mm = 28gauge = .00048Lbs per ft

.01586/.00048 = 33.04167ft of 28gauge

The doc math closely matches using 24 gauge as primary and 28 gauge as secondary.

Cam


Thanks Cam, Had to recheck my wire gauges after that, because my weight is a lot higher. 12 grams per coil segment(primary and secondary), yours are equivalent to 7 grams per.

so, I have mine wrong, using the rat shack stuff. Shoulda checked ahead of time, as my coil lengths probably are not ideal with these gauges.

Turns out my gauges are 22 and 26, respectively.

Much heavier gauge on the primary, and slightly heavier on the secondary. So my coils are bigger. We'll see the effect.

got my drivers, Still haven't gotten my fets yet.

bad shipping luck.

However, got lotsa extras so I can burn as many as I want, when they come. As now roberto is testing a new fet which seems even better.

Better make my board with sockets for the fets.

Rich

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #414 on: June 19, 2007, 02:45:51 AM »
@cOmster

In the ECD-TPU document that comes from the "Read this first" thread by Stefan on page 25, these are the specs given.

Wire Primary: 0.65mm., 4.20 mt
Wire Secondary: 0.35mm, 16mt

Could you please avise on where your specs come from since I may be looking at the wrong doc.

I am just about to wind my CC so I really need to make sure. There is a major difference between the 18 gauge you have indicated and what was in the doc.

Last question... does anyone know how to connect a primary and secondary center tap when winding the CC so I can test sending the frequency into the primary center and maybe try to feed the ring from the secondary center back to the secondary end. Does the tap need isolation from its connection point to where it is comming out of the coil?

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #415 on: June 19, 2007, 05:11:51 AM »
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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #416 on: June 19, 2007, 05:38:53 AM »
Well tonight was fun...not! :)

Spent much time rewinding my control coils onto the 6" loop and off of the spools like I had them.  I am sure Rich can relate.  LOL

My partner spent a great deal of time soldering small little pins to the IRF7307 drivers.  They are near microscopic and VERY difficult to work with.  This is why several pages back Roberto approved a MIC for the driver that has pins and is easier to wire.

@ Stefan
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2535.msg35456.html#msg35456

at this post, reply #236 Roberto asked for the schematic of the MIC4426 driver to be placed in the FAQ.  I am sure you overlooked it, because it isn't there yet.  This driver will save hours off of the build time compared to the IRF 7307!  LOL  My partner would agree! :)  Thank you!

Cheers,
Bruce

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #417 on: June 19, 2007, 06:33:35 AM »
I was going to wind a coil, but I don't have the #24 wire, so I decided to try and calculate the inductances.

What I came up with:

Primary: 15.5uH, 0.36 Ohms, [165.32 inches of #24 wire], 90 turns

Secondary: 107.8uH, 2.28 Ohms, [413.28 inches of #28 wire], 248 turns

I used a coil length of 1", and a starting bobbin diameter of 0.5".

Hopefully a few people will add their specs for comparison.

Regards,
Darren

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #418 on: June 19, 2007, 07:33:11 AM »
   Here is the driver file. Covers the 26 and 27. I was looking for this one and Norvac Elec. here has no listing for it. Go figure.

sugra

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #419 on: June 19, 2007, 07:57:02 AM »
Hello All,

I'm finally back from my weekend trip and thought I would take the time to draw up the the circuit diagram for my control circuit.

It uses the mic4427 MOSFET drivers for the IRF840 MOSFETs. For those of you wondering where to order them, they can be purchased inexpensively from this website here:

http://www.arrow.com/

Search for mic4427BN. That is the correct chip.

I am currently modifying my control circuit to output extremely small duty cycle square waves (500 ns pulse width) to conserve input power. My firm view is that we only want to put in enough current to load the coil inductance and no more. Any extra input will simply be wasted. The attached circuit diagram does not include the ICs I will be using for the pulse width control but I will be using the 74HC423N chip. It is a Dual retriggerable monostable multivibrator which, using a resistor and capacitor allows you to vary the output pulse width from a minimum of 75ns and up. The mic4427NB drivers need a minimum 500ns pulse width to turn on and off properly.

As soon as I have finished the modifications to the control circuit, I will post an updated circuit diagram.

The board I have currently runs on a single 9V battery and the input frequencies are controlled by three separate battery-powered function generators, which I bought from here:

http://www.electronickits.com/kit/complete/meas/fg500k.htm

They have a range of 1Hz to 1MHz. Above, 500k, the square wave output really breaks down but since the FET drivers are comparator driven, it won't affect the switching of the MOSFETs.

That should be all you need to make this circuit. If you want to use 555 timers, make sure that you put some capacitors in parallel with the power supply inputs to the timer chips because the FET drivers draw a lot of power when they are running. If you have any problems, PM me and I'll see what I can do to help you.

God Bless,
Jason O