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gn0stik

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #375 on: June 18, 2007, 12:53:54 AM »
Wattsup, the inside diameter of the large ring should be such that the wire loop is 6" in diameter.

The OD of the small loop should be such that the diameter of the wire loop is 4".

The coils should be wound directly onto this form to achieve the wing shape as mentioned by otto and ronotte.

As far as the diagram goes, not sure what you mean.

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #376 on: June 18, 2007, 01:50:50 AM »
@gn0stik

Thanks for your reply.

If the CC should be wound directly onto the ring, then we must consider that cOmster's replication is not per Otto spec and the distance (air gap) between his coil and ring could cause a decrease in transfer potential.

I guess that when we see Ottos CC's with the side flanges, we all assumed that the coil was wound on a core and slipped into place on the ring. This is a major difference. Geez could have saved me hours of grief in trying to find the right core with the right diameter.

So that answered one of my questions. Thanks.

In terms of the diagram, is it possible for someone to draw the mosfets with the three connections and show which one goes were. Not a circuit diagram but more of a pictorial.

@cOmster

Great video of your tests.

If we use the same frequencies as Otto, the TPU must be built exactly the same with the same coil and ring lengths, etc. Since no-one will be able to make the exact same replica, (although we will come very close), the frequency will have to change to reflect the resonance of the particular rings and coils.

Also, when using one frequency, it's easy enough. When you have the first frequency and introduce the second, you will probably have to readjust the first one also since the second introduced frequency changes the dynamics of the whole tpu. Again when two frequencies are found and you introduce a third frequency, you will have to play with the first two again because the third frequency will change the dynamics of the first and second. Once all three are adjusted to work on your particular TPU, you should see Ottos results.

This may be why your bulb decreased in intensity with the third frequency. You may have to work with the second and first again with all three working. Resonance is when all three frequencies work as one. Once you have found your resonance, this should be repeatable on your TPU, every time.

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #377 on: June 18, 2007, 02:15:50 AM »
Wattsup, I know there appears to be a spool there but if you look closely at ronotte's doc it becomes apparent that those are simply pieces of cardboard to aid in forming the edge of the coil, and it is, in fact, wound directly onto the ring and tube..

Lindsay pointed out that my coils were wrong yesterday, after I had wound them for the second time. Ack. Here's some quotes from their doc.

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This setup is shown in the next picture for
the 6? ? 4? ECD. In the Fig. you will note: the 2 Mobius collector loops one inside
the other (glued to the side of a silicon hose used as support & shape), the
3 small transformers 120? apart, the heat sinks & Mosfets put near the loops,
the wing shaped solution for the coil support.

And...

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This was the time when Otto did post on Overunity Forum the ?Wing approach design?
for the shape of the Control coil & and a practical approach for implementing & positioning
of the collector coil itself.

:)

So I don't know how much this will effect the operation, but in order to compare apples to apples we need to build as they did. So, here's a pic of my 6" ring. (no 4" shown) This is my third and final winding of my controls. (unless someone else finds something wrong with them.) If you think winding is a bitch, try unwinding a bifilar coil to rewind because you don't have enough wire to redo it from scratch. Yuk.

Like the purple tape? I thought it was a bit dull looking so I added a bit of color.

So Lindsay, hope this one's ok.

Rich
« Last Edit: June 18, 2007, 05:14:43 AM by gn0stik »

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #378 on: June 18, 2007, 03:20:29 AM »
Rich,
yes I think so..
 I have my collector 90 deg to yours as this was Ottos first method ..the doc stats either way..just so we know one difference here.
I am usung non conductive black fuel hose..another difference..

As long as we know differences they shoud be of assistance us..
Of course it is not very likley that 2 will be the same however we do it.

Lindsay

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #379 on: June 18, 2007, 04:34:53 AM »
Rich,
yes I think so..
 I have my collector 90 deg to yours as this was Ottos first method ..the doc stats either way..just so we know one difference here.
I am usung non conductive black fuel hose..another difference..

As long as we know differences they shoud be of assistance us..
Of course it is not very likley that 2 will be the same however we do it.

Lindsay

How far have you gotten Lindsay? Have you noticed the effects otto has? Rotational field and all that with this setup?

Rich

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #380 on: June 18, 2007, 05:11:15 AM »
Rich,

Im quite away from that..managed to blow 2 fets and 2 fet drivers...because of hv getting into my driver supply. Yes it came from the tpu...back from the thing..but no need to ghet excited...lots of hurdles yet ..I did not filter and protect it from the ecd..my fault..I will learn....got to wait for new drivers....got lots of fets.

The more the merrier here

For me it is not a spectator sport or a show  YET!

Lindsay

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #381 on: June 18, 2007, 10:45:07 AM »
@c0mster .. have u tried flipping the rig(180 degrees) to see how that affects performance?

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #382 on: June 18, 2007, 10:46:15 AM »
does SM use tube oscillators  ???

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #383 on: June 18, 2007, 10:59:08 AM »
@c0mster .. have u tried flipping the rig(180 degrees) to see how that affects performance?

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Hi Devilzangel,

Funny you should ask that, while assisting Cam in the lab, I told him to do that, and no, it didn't make a difference. Just to let all you guys know, we spent 6 hours in the lab on video/audio conference call yesterday.

I've uploaded his video here:- http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=4997391137164968331

If you put the above link here:-http://javimoya.com/blog/youtube_en.php you can d/l the vid

Trust me we did the tests, awaiting what others will get.

Would like Otto's and Robertos comments on this video, but perhaps they are waiting for others to do more tests, or they themselves are doing what were doing to confirm.

Kind Rgds,

Dom
« Last Edit: June 18, 2007, 12:09:05 PM by mrd10 »

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #384 on: June 18, 2007, 11:10:22 AM »
does SM use tube oscillators  ???


Perhaps SM use miniature or subminiature tubes. (EÅŸti cumva din RO?)

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #385 on: June 18, 2007, 11:14:47 AM »
@mrd10 .. hey .. thanks for the reply on the comment .. interesting .. and thanks for the vid upload .. (if i may suggest, in the future, please use youtube .. it makes it easier for the users to download the vid  ;) )

it is odd that the rig is not showing classic symptoms of "SM"ness .. lol .. i have been looking at the old SM vids to get a better perspective on this thing .. but still nothing .. we should be seeing some of the things he shows in the open TPU vids  .. (those were his preliminary versions, if i am not mistaken).. (even if u dont know the frequencies, doing a freq sweep should show something) .. i am perplexed .. and confused ..

me back to looking at the vids ..

goodluck on your testing guys!!!  ;D :D ;)

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #386 on: June 18, 2007, 11:40:36 AM »
@Dom & team,

VERY GOOD WORK I do know how you feel after many lab work!

In my personal opinion you have done just the first step: CONVERTING BEMF ONLY. This could help in proving that your setup is OK. THEN STOP  IT don't loose your time. It's not what you are looking for!  Searching more 'light' of this kind IS NOT THE POINT...for now.

NEXT STEP
You have to follow exactly what I wrote i.e. concentrate to search ONLY for 'the Seed' and then tune the lower freq to move 'the Seed' and convert at least your first RE peak into a piece of sinus. During that operation don't mind about current, voltages etc...they aren't important.

For myself, while working I have had some components failure...so I'd to stop and search for what happened.

Roberto

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #387 on: June 18, 2007, 12:07:37 PM »
@mrd10 .. hey .. thanks for the reply on the comment .. interesting .. and thanks for the vid upload .. (if i may suggest, in the future, please use youtube .. it makes it easier for the users to download the vid  ;) )

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Hi Devilzangel,

I modified above post with the link you can use to d/l the video, it was great with google video, I have issues with youtube, but it does say you can use youtube in that link as well.

@Roberto,
so we should be looking for this seed, and put the mosfets near the ring right?
when looking at the scope, we saw what looked like the seed you are talking about, but this looks like an oscillation in the coil. Can you highlight here on this post what the seed looks like again, because in pdf theres no lines or arrows on the scope shots, so maybe were not looking at the correct thing. Again If you could post a pic with arrows on diagram, so we all know what to look for, that will help.

Just thinking and adding to this, do you have a video camera and can you record whats happening when we hit this seed? I'm trying to help everyone here to, because in the end we want to see what your seeing.
like what happens when we hit this seed? does the current draw drop and the output increases.

Kind Rgds,

Dom
« Last Edit: June 18, 2007, 12:37:51 PM by mrd10 »

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #388 on: June 18, 2007, 01:11:45 PM »
Ok Roberto, I looked at pdf again, page 36, I put some labels on the peaks, tell me this is correct?

Another thing to Roberto, try the same experiment with just battery, and see if you see the same thing happening, pictures video, or just video would be nice. If we can do video, it shouldn't be hard for you either.

Thank you,

Dominic

just adding to the response from next page, and my answer to the question above, that the scope shot and what's shown has been confirmed to be correct, please read Roberto's response on next page.
« Last Edit: June 18, 2007, 04:27:26 PM by mrd10 »

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #389 on: June 18, 2007, 01:23:35 PM »
@Roberto,
Can you highlight here on this post what the seed looks like again, because in pdf theres no lines or arrows on the scope shots, so maybe were not looking at the correct thing. Again If you could post a pic with arrows on diagram, so we all know what to look for, that will help.

"Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post."

Roberto, Is this the seed?

Do seeds appear at the leading edge of sine waves only, or are they also scattered about as in Dom's image above mine?