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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #315 on: June 16, 2007, 06:41:57 PM »
I was really hoping we had struck on something. Guess you could say I am a little sad the Otto tpu didn?t show signs of coupling with the earth or pull from the vacuum. I went back and read SM?s remarks and some things stuck out like ?impossible it is to assume that I may have hidden batteries inside the unit to make the power.? And  ?It is an insignificant power supply except when the two
transformers get slightly out of phase with each other, or when they are connected in reverse of one another.? Now in his video when he connects more load there is no decrease in the other light. When I tested this last night there was a decrease in output of the first bulb when I connected the other. I hope you folks keep trying and only use what I have done as merely a stepping stone to help understand just how SM and others are coupling with the earth or pulling from the vacuum. I don?t think SM was driving amps to mosfets especially if he claims he used no batteries. Do not think I have given up, I am going back to the drawing board and trying again to understand what other possible ways this can be achieved. This test was not a failler nor to prove anyone wrong. I, just like the rest are striving to achieve true proof of overunity. Keep testing and building, I really hope I missed something that others may discover.         

Cam

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #316 on: June 16, 2007, 06:54:51 PM »
Thanks Cam  :)

I am too a bit sad aswell as confused about this thread.
I already am building the design so i will finish it to see what it will do.

If it doen's work i will just jump back to what i was testing before.

Marco.

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #317 on: June 16, 2007, 07:28:22 PM »
Well good to hear it marco. Me too. Perhaps we'll find something by fully replciating which, still has not been done. Unless Jason has been playing by himself. He's been quiet recently.

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #318 on: June 16, 2007, 07:44:56 PM »
Rich,

Jason is out for the weekend, will be back on monday....

Robert

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Re: Low Cost Variable Duty Cycle Function Gen.
« Reply #319 on: June 16, 2007, 08:37:16 PM »
@all:

Anyone tried this before?
Low cost function generator circuit with variable duty cycle  from 1 Hz to 20 MHz.

http://www.elecdesign.com/Articles/Index.cfm?AD=1&ArticleID=1371

Attached is the circuit (gif) file.

chrisC

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #320 on: June 16, 2007, 08:47:04 PM »
Hi Chris,

Myself and a couple of the guys considered this chip, however its no longer made and if you do find one they cost!  I believe if you contact Pese, he has a few and is willing to sell them.


Regards,

Dave.

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #321 on: June 16, 2007, 08:51:14 PM »
Ahh good for him. Unfortunate for us. :)

Hope he has a good time.


Wavewatcher, nice bit of information. I have scoured the web for information on that event, and have found zero. No other cases of tv's blowing up, or imploding or what have you. No information on their mechanics. I guess the only way to find out is to rip one apart.

What I find interesting about your story is that the second and third coils were fed NO frequency, just allowed to couple.

If this is true, then the TV story is a HUGE hint from SM.

If you can find any more information, or relate some more stories about them blowing up that would be interesting. Or if you happen across one to rip apart, before you salvage the wire post a pic, that would be great.

Three rings. Quite interesting.

Also guys, for those of you who feel down in the dumps about this setup, don't sweat it... just yet. As I said before, nobody has fully replicated otto/ronottes "ecd" as yet. Seems everyone stopped short of driving the third frequency, and tuning as per their doc.

If you look toward the end of the doc, you will see that the real magic takes place there. As SM has said all along. We performed this test, although interesting, a bit prematurely. Now, the standard em people are going to tell me it doesn't matter. OK, logically you are correct. It shouldn't matter a bit. But if this thing really does what it does in those videos, we are going to have a wow moment at some point, when something outside our understanding takes place.

Let me explain what we have proven. Strictly speaking, yesterday Cam proved that with two frequencies, this thing does not behave any differently than a tesla coil. Regardless of what's running down the middle of them.

If SM came here, gave exact specs for his device, exact coil arrangement, exact frequencies, exact control unit diagrams, etc. etc. And we only fed it with two frequencies and proclaimed it didn't work, hehe. I can imagine the reaction.

So we have made an assumption. We have assumed that one frequency, or two, will perform, but to a lesser degree, than all three combined. IE. The magic will still be there, just not as much of it. Ahem... That's not a very logical assumption based on SM's notes, and the doc provided by Otto and Roberto.  Hence, we performed this test prematurely. It is a valid test, however, for later on. For now, it's like being told, "vinegar and baking soda react violently together," so we take that info, and assume vinegar, and backing soda, separately will react violently, to a lesser degree. When separately all we have is vinegar.... and baking soda.... Observing them, we say, "nothing special here", they do not react alone, so they must not react together. Absurd assumption, really.  

So, we got a little ahead of ourselves, we, being the group of people who were testing the setup and reporting back. We came and posted videos of interesting phenomena with only two frequencies in use, proclaiming a degree of sucess. Another false assumption. Premature claims.

My suggestion, is build to the end, then report back, and take requests for further testing. ZPE's test will be a good one at that time.

For me, I bought some testing equipment recently. A heat sensor gun, scale (also aids in building controls primary and secondary are 11grams), and a kill-a-watt, for true mains draw measurement at the power supply.

I may also use an inverter with a battery, and the kill-a-watt for draw in that scenario.  

So, if after we have done this, the device has turned out to be nothing spectacular, but a neat garage toy, or homemade microwave, then so be it. We've done our due dilligence, and elminated this, and moved on. Perhaps to Macedonia CDs setup, if we can decypher it.

We should not approach this as, "they proved it to me, therefore i'm gonna build a working TPU." We should approach it as, "They have shown some interesting results, therefor, I will test the setup."

False assumptions (on either side of the spectrum) and premature testing is not going to get us anywhere. I think what this has done however, is brought us back down to earth so we can now test this setup from a proper perspective.  

Regards all,
Rich

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #322 on: June 16, 2007, 09:18:40 PM »
Dave:

Thanks for feedback on the Max038 function generator chip. Yes, you are correct on this. It's available for an arm and a leg. There is another design based on the AD9835BRU (Analog Devices) which goes to 10Mhz (plenty) and that chip (one-off pricing) is around US$7 and readily available. Not sure if that other design allowed for a variable duty cycle.

If anyone has a stable, cheap and variable duty cycle function genertor, please post.

Thanks
chrisC

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #323 on: June 16, 2007, 09:57:02 PM »
Ok guys,

Just looking at the specs for the control coils.  My question would be then, what does Roberto mean by clockwise winding, I mean from what view point?

If I look from one end of a coil its CW and CCW from the other. So does anyone know what he means?

I would hold the former with my left hand and wind with my right, going over the top and back under. Starting left side of the former winding to the right. So looking from the right end of the coil I am winding CW??!>!!!>!


Dave.

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #324 on: June 16, 2007, 10:08:24 PM »
Dave, I'm not sure how you are winding, because when I flip my coil around, it is still clockwise.

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #325 on: June 16, 2007, 10:10:49 PM »
Dave:

If you stuck out 2 fingers and wind the coil clockwise over the fingers looping back towards yourself, that would be considered clockwise. Both primary and secondary are wound in phase. That's how I interpret this.

chrisC

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #326 on: June 16, 2007, 10:12:23 PM »
ZPE, one thing I have been wondering, is if we were supposed to replace the mobius with a ferrite.

When we removed the mobius completely and did not replace it with anything, we could not get the bulbs to light much at all.

Rich

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #327 on: June 16, 2007, 10:16:24 PM »
Ok Rich,

I have had a long day at work!  If I wind a coil and end up with a pig tail which from one end of the coil goes over the top clockwise, if I now look at the other end of the coil, that pig tail now loops over counter clockwise over the top.  Are you saying yours goes in the same direction no matter which end you look at the coil from.

One of us is surely communicating from another dimension here?


D.

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #328 on: June 16, 2007, 10:29:55 PM »
@Everyone

I had watched Cam's lab last night until about 8pm CST.  and just now watched the video.  I feel frustrated for several reasons.  Rich hit on one of them, only one frequency was being used, in the video anyway, not three.  There was still no amp reading between the output and the bulb, either the fluorescent or the other.  It was said there was 1000 volts measured at the output with a bridge of High voltage.  What was the amperage?  It looked to be 1.5 amps input with one frequency @12 volts.  This is 18watts input.  But output were two bulbs, 1000 volts and no amp readings.  And this with only one frequency and no phase inversion (we should still put all of SM's clues into our experiments)  And it comes across as, "ho hum, no big deal, just another tesla coil.  Time to move on to something else." 

Very frustrating.  My wire came in the mail, to finish my last control coil, Mobius One is on the launch pad.  Circuit will be built tomorrow with my partner, I hope.

@Otto and Roberto
Thank you both for your tenacity, and keep plugging along.  Keep us informed of any new findings or ideas.  We are with you guys.  Jason has built and is just getting going.  Rich is building, Marco is building, Lindsay is building. I am building.  Patience, perserverence, single mindedness, creativity and accurate testing.  Experimenting according to SM's words will yield results.   :)

Bruce

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #329 on: June 16, 2007, 11:48:43 PM »
Guess I forgot to mention I did try 3 frequencies, it seem to kill the effect. Who has used 3 frequencies?

2 Frequencies doubled the amp draw, sure the light was brighter.   

Guess I also forgot to mention I did bridge the output <u see it sitting there in the movie> and mesured the amps or should I say ma which would barley read on a 1 amp meter. It was 1200v at .01 amps = 16 watts and I was driving it with 18 watts. Theres lots of volts there but no current. Guess I'll grab 3 more mosfets next week, put it back together and make a movie of the whole thing.

I want this to work just like everyone else so I'll give it another go.

Cam