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gn0stik

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #300 on: June 16, 2007, 07:08:30 AM »
Ok, AS I SAID, I did not intend to make everyone give up! We haven't even completed replicating yet. To my knowlege nobody since Ronotte has gotten to the third frequency yet, and tuned according to the document. So, What I would like to see, is people perhaps getting to that point, tuning exactly to the document, performing all suggested tests, and doing this experiment again.

It could be that catalyst happens in this setup when the third frequency is added. Three is important and all that jazz. All we have proven thus far is that without the three frequencies it behave according to the tesla transformations as seen in the tesla coil.

I sincerely hope that this platform is not abandoned by the experimenters. Perhaps my timing is not that great.

I want to make someting clear. I am still going to build this as I feel it would be patently unscientific to just walk away without seeing ALL the effects mentioned in the doc. We know that they were telling the truth. But we have yet to bring a device up to full operation.

So, there you have it.

Also, it may be that, as I said, the device has "modes" of overunity. It will power a standard load with normal input if the normal input can handle it, but give the energy source a reason to flow, and it will. Know what I mean?

Anyway, more testing is needed still.

Thanks for the advice Mannix. Of course with no collectors in the device we were not spacing the collectors. We had removed it alltogether to test Darren's hypothesis.

Oh, and someone said it was my test. I can't take any credit as it was cam's hands doing all the work, and I was actually a late comer. Didn't mean to take any undue credit. I was on my way out the door, at the time I posted.

Regards all,
Rich

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #301 on: June 16, 2007, 07:22:06 AM »
@ Any answers for the Q&A needed

I'm not asking onyone to test this. I'm just asking too see if I should wind mine like this?

1) Could the frequency be sent to the primary void instead of the primary negative. By just putting a center tap on the primary when winding the bifilar CC. Is it electronically permissible?

2) Would doing number 1 permit you to remove the ground off the IRF840, or,

3) If the IRF840 needs this ground to function, would doing number 1 reduce the load comming back to ground on the IRF840? An educated guess.

I feel these are three very very important questions as this could give a whole new domension of being able to test parallel and series  CCs, while trying various ring point connections.

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #302 on: June 16, 2007, 07:33:53 AM »
@ Any answers for the Q&A needed

I'm not asking onyone to test this. I'm just asking too see if I should wind mine like this?

1) Could the frequency be sent to the primary void instead of the primary negative. By just putting a center tap on the primary when winding the bifilar CC. Is it electronically permissible?

2) Would doing number 1 permit you to remove the ground off the IRF840, or,

3) If the IRF840 needs this ground to function, would doing number 1 reduce the load comming back to ground on the IRF840? An educated guess.

I feel these are three very very important questions as this could give a whole new domension of being able to test parallel and series  CCs, while trying various ring point connections.

Hmm, that's a very good idea wattsup. I think it would allow for some decent flexibility for sure.

How far along are you in your build? Please post pics when you get to this point.

Regards.
Rich

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #303 on: June 16, 2007, 10:30:03 AM »
Dom has clearly demonstrated the transformers working without the need for the Mobius coil. I presume his supply voltage was around 12V which would have given 36W consumption by the setup Assuming 50% transfer efficiency this would give around 18W consumption by the bulb which looks about right from the illumination.

Using thicker wire on the secondary, say the same as the primary at 0.5 should improve the transfer with a 1:1 turns ratio. It's well worth experimenting with the amount of ampere turns and graphing the drive current in relation to frequency to get a better understanding.

There are some very interesting solid state Bedini variant designs around utilising the principle shown in Dom's video. I have built some very effective battery chargers using HV radiant energy at audio frequencies using air iron and air cored inductors. The secret is getting the pulse rise time as fast as possible and as we know Mosfets are fine so long as they are driven properly. I suggest the use of high voltage, high power TVS diodes across Drain / Source to supplement the 'slow' protection freewheel diodes integrated in the Mosfet package.

This is an interesting and absorbing area for experimentation where much can be learnt - have fun!

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #304 on: June 16, 2007, 11:28:20 AM »
Hi Hoppy,

Cam was the one that was in the lab, i was just his assistant, and jotted things down as we went along. In video were using 12volts (battery), note also video was done after we did alot of testing. Do not stop testing your setups, add the 3rd freq and do more tests.
We just did this because this is the time we had and we did it.
Also this is a reference point for other builders that can verify what we did.

Sincerely,

Dom

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #305 on: June 16, 2007, 12:26:43 PM »
Hi all,
A fitting time for SM's words:
"Suppose you have 1,000 pieces of wire twelve inches long and you
run the same weak magnetic field over them all at the same time..... you get the same flow of electrons.
If the wires are run in series then you will get the 12,000 millivolts
etc.
If you connect the wires in parallel you will get higher current but
lower voltage.
However, the power potential is the same whether you run the
wires in series or parallel.
If you know how to find the circuit potential, you tune into the frequency and you have enough short pieces of wire you can
convert as much power as you wish in a given space."

AND

"It took several years of experimentation to discover what frequencies and most importantly how to make small integrated circuits work to perform the control functions necessary to make the demonstrations you see on the video tapes available today."

To conclude, this will not be a fast process.  I believe that there will be specific frequencies that will bring the power.  He showed 1000 V.  with the bobbins.  What if they were stranded and wired in parallel and not in series?  And AC changing magnetic field in the coils would also be a good experiment with three frequencies.  We need to be methodical in our experimentation.

Thank you for your time,
Bruce

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #306 on: June 16, 2007, 12:46:34 PM »
Hi Hoppy,

Cam was the one that was in the lab, i was just his assistant, and jotted things down as we went along. In video were using 12volts (battery), note also video was done after we did alot of testing. Do not stop testing your setups, add the 3rd freq and do more tests.
We just did this because this is the time we had and we did it.
Also this is a reference point for other builders that can verify what we did.

Sincerely,

Dom

Apologies for the mix up Dom.

Regards
Clive

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« Reply #307 on: June 16, 2007, 04:32:05 PM »
Darren,

If you are only interested in a square wave, there are high-Amp FET drivers that have a Schmitt trigger on the input.  It could very well be that this Schmitt trigger will turn a sine wave into a nice square wave.

Of course, using a 74HC132 Quad 2-input NAND Schmitt Trigger following the DDS oscillator will produce a beautiful square wave with fast rise/fall times.  In this case solder the Schmitt trigger right next to the FET driver.

If you want variable-width pulses, follow the Schmitt trigger with a 74HC74 Dual D Flip-Flop, where the proper output pin goes to the reset pin.  If this pulse is too narrow, it can be widened with a series R, eventually series R followed by capacitor to ground.

In the next days and weeks, I will be posting lots of ideas and useful circuits.  I am real busy right now.

Regards, Earl
Earl.

Thanks for the heads-up on the DDS oscillator.

Unfortunately it doesn't output squares or pulses.

I suppose it one could interface it with their own zero-cross detector, and generate squares and pulses from that.

Regards, Darren

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #308 on: June 16, 2007, 04:42:06 PM »
Hello all,

SM said:
I am using 6BQ7-A tubes for the input and phase inverter because they
are VHF amplifier triodes designed to operate in Color TV at very high
frequencies and so you can imagine how crystal clear my high frequencies
are in my stereo amplifier.

Now what is this phase inverter for the TPU, I asked myself.  And this is what I found:

"a circuit that generates two output signals, each 180 degrees out of phase with the other. This is a bit of a misnomer, since it does more than just invert the phase of a signal, it actually generates two out of phase signals."

Again, another important line of experimentation!

Cheers,
Bruce

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #309 on: June 16, 2007, 05:01:10 PM »
Earl,

Thank you for the ideas. I look forward to your circuits to come.

Years ago I designed a very stable and sensitive LM311-based zero-crossing detector for a project I was working on, but I can not find my schematic.

Will this 74HC132 Schmitt Trigger do just as good or better job?

Thanks,
Darren

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #310 on: June 16, 2007, 05:25:43 PM »
Don't give up folks! I've been watching your progress in AWE. Just recently I've had a chance to read the docs and the threads. Remember, SM was a tech of the first order. That is, his experiences are different than yours. i.e. vacuum tubes, the first usable solid state devices, reciever types that are no-longer used etc.

I too come from that time and maybe a little earlier.

GE abandoned a single gun CRT using toroidal deflection coils that were basically three coils in open air. Only the first was fed three frequencies. The second and third had only inductive coupling to the previous coil. Each succesive coil would have resonated to the next frequency and always seemed to have more turns than the previous coil. I do remember the second and third coils seemed to have no end point. I was populating my junk box and needed the wire.

I remember the stories about these things blowing up. It makes me wonder if they accidentally created some self-regeneration. I know they played havoc with other radio receivers.
You may wish to lookup the operation of a 'regenerative' and 'Super-Regenerative' receiver. This is old stuff but they had very interesting properties.

I will be building one of these soon. I'll let you all know what I find.

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #311 on: June 16, 2007, 05:57:23 PM »
very intresting, Wave Watcher.
Thank you :)

Marco.

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #312 on: June 16, 2007, 06:12:36 PM »
Quote from: WaveWatcher
You may wish to lookup the operation of a 'regenerative' and 'Super-Regenerative' receiver.

bingo!

another one is the lemw transmission line  :)

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #313 on: June 16, 2007, 06:29:19 PM »
Sorry! My mind is showing my age.

It was one frequency (around 18kHz- horizontal sweep), three signals, 2 was 120 degrees lagging the first and 3 120 degrees lagging the second. If memory serves there would have been nine coils wired in groups of three coils per circuit. I don't remeber if the individual circuits were flipped between coils. i.e. like a Mobius.

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #314 on: June 16, 2007, 06:32:07 PM »
well if there is anything which comes to your mind, please just post it.
i found the television story quite amazing. :)

Thank you.
Marco