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Offline mrd10

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #90 on: June 13, 2007, 12:09:02 PM »
Hi Otto,

That is true, there is alot I read, and I read and re read from Lindsay and Steven, and things are still stuck in my head. I'm glad that you have continued with the work, and have no way given up. I solute you.

I have gone a different path, with John bedini's work, I still have an energizer to finish, But i'm glad you have continued on.

I spoke to Roberto the other night and he speaks very highly of you, I actually thought Wow because your from Crotia, where another famous person by the name of Nikola Tesla came from, your country men, hehehee you must have an edge on all of us because of that fact......

Again, to All who have kept going, Thank you

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #91 on: June 13, 2007, 12:16:19 PM »
Whilst waiting on the exact driver as used by Jason I thought I'd do a couple of tests.

I wanted to see if I could capture what was happening, signal wise, when say a 90khz and 180khz was 'mixed' in a coil.

To do this I wrapped a standard solenoid coil. This is the mixed signal coil. On top of this two parallel wires wrapped together to produce another two coils. i.e. As if wrapping a bifilar coil.

Into the two parallel wrapped coils I fed 90hz into one and 180hz into the other. The attached image shows the 180hz on the top trace, the 90hz I've drawn in in red, the bottom trace is the resultant output. The drawn in red line on the lower trace is the 0V level.

The staircase on the output goes down because the input signal are synchronised on a rising edge. I'll try moving the input signal to synchronise on the trailing edge so that the staircase goes up.

If this output were DC shifted up say 100V, you would have a situation where, in the case of a rising staircase, you would have progressive dc pulses WITHOUT A CURRENT REVERSAL. We know from Tesla that Radiant Energy occurs when pulses are applied in such a way that their is no current reversal... Further more, if this staircase effect was to occur on a high voltage spike, due to further mixing with other coils and you have the situation where you are generating high voltage DC, non reversing pulses.

I think part of the puzzle is to get this staircase effect happening on the leading edge of very high voltage BEMF pulses.

EDIT: I had the AC button pressed on my scope instead of the DC. I've therefore redrawn the 0V level on the attached image. The 0V level is at the bottom of the lower trace NOT centered on the lower trace.

Okay, but then your red lower frequency must have double the amplitude of your green square wave,otherwise you will
not get this staircase wave just by adding them up...

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #92 on: June 13, 2007, 12:23:15 PM »
SM told us that there are a lot of ways to built a good TPU. So, in a very short time, I suppose, there will be TPUs like the open one with the controlls wound all over the collector and a few other types.  I only wanted to give the basic setup that I have. Its on you to find other possibilities to built a good TPU. Otto

With that in mind I wonder if there would be any merit in considering how a TPU may be wound in a Tensor or Caduceus Coil manner.

"This coil has repeatedly been found to violate established laws of electrodynamics and hertzian wave theory when high frequency is injected into it."

"This apparatus has zero impedance  - unlike an ordinary coil."

"It has infinite resonance  - unlike an ordinary coil which will resonate chiefly at its natural fundamental frequency and weakly on the 2nd or 3rd harmonic, the Tensor coil is capable of resonating strongly on any number of frequencies randomly spaced in the spectrum."

"A few investigators have also reported unexpected bizarre inertial effects  (READ: "gyroscopic effects"?) in conjunction with these coils."

Perhaps if one modeled a TPU after the omni-resonant antenna-like features of human DNA (caduceus style), one "may" inherently solve the problem of TPU super nova ("spontanious combustion")... ?

- http://uncletaz.com/library/scimath/cadcoil.html
- http://www.keelynet.com/time/cadsmith.htm
- http://jlnlabs.imars.com/spgen/

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #93 on: June 13, 2007, 12:49:47 PM »
Hello all,

@shuzammi

I tried the canduceus way of winding my control coil but I had no success. Maybe I did something wrong but I would prefer, for now, to use just "normal" coil windings methods.

Otto

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #94 on: June 13, 2007, 12:53:25 PM »
Hi Otto,
is really this moebius coil form needed or can one also be used
just a normal standard coil as the collector coil ?

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« Reply #95 on: June 13, 2007, 01:01:50 PM »
Hello,

@Stefan,

the point is in the MOEBIUS!!!!! Thats for sure. Then, when you have the collectors as mine you can try other ways to wind the controls. In the open TPU I saw a lamp wire as the controls?? I hope my memory is good???

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #96 on: June 13, 2007, 01:08:23 PM »
Hi guys,

Playing devils advocate here....

Thinking about good proof that this is OU. The readings and a bright bulb are indicative, not absolute proof. The issue is that the power source is fully capable of driving the bulb to high brilliance.

The doubt is - IF the power (out of the main power source) is available, could the circuitry not form a DC inverter of some sort and just be robbing power from the supply unit / over-volting the bulb?

The metering is alas useless as a proof of power output because:

* all {non-purpose designed} metering is upset by RF spikes and will NOT show correct numbers.

The errors can be significant as in x100 out, too high or too low.

Why? Those spikes mean that resistive loads are also inductors; you may be getting transformer effects, power factor effects as well as other absolutely unknown stuff (like free energy...). Digital systems all suffer from alialising (sample window misses changing voltage) so may actually be reading low!


If designing a free-energy demonstrator which is provable - why not go for a system which takes known trivial power-in and does something it clearly could never do?

Say a low-power version of the same rig. Drive from solar cells and light a torch bulb.

Proof then is - the circuit will run by holding the solar cell to the lit bulb. Any other light - is free energy and unquestionable proof. This would normally never work!


For the present replication -

   1) on power-in side:

   a) run system from fully charged car battery until exhausted / reaches known voltage
   b) then measure power-in (of steady DC) to fully recharge battery.

   Any RF spike damage to the battery will likely reduce capacity - so being less able to take power means it has a shorter recharge time (hits its capacity ceiling earlier). This gives a false (too low) recharge reading - so repeat this several times looking for battery deterioration. Measure this and correct.

   2) on power-out side:

   go for mechanical proof vs. gravity e.g.

   drive a motor to lift a weight, run a pump to lift water etc. and calculate the energy.

An alternative is to GET RID of all those spikes and go to either of a DC or a pure AC sinusoid system. These are the things test meters are designed to read OK.

What is known of the physics / natural world would suggest that AC is a good choice; a free-energy mechanism is likely to work in sinusoids (like much of the rest of physics).

No g'ttees though - it might operate via bursts of quanta :(

If 180K Hz is a sweet-spot, a sinusoid AC rig should show effects at 180K too.


Why say all this stuff? My background has been in Quality Assurance. Part of this is to critique your own work - before your customer / other guy / your boss does. If you know the areas of weakness, they can be fixed.

Hope that is a help.

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #97 on: June 13, 2007, 01:32:13 PM »
Whilst waiting on the exact driver as used by Jason I thought I'd do a couple of tests.

I wanted to see if I could capture what was happening, signal wise, when say a 90khz and 180khz was 'mixed' in a coil.

To do this I wrapped a standard solenoid coil. This is the mixed signal coil. On top of this two parallel wires wrapped together to produce another two coils. i.e. As if wrapping a bifilar coil.

Into the two parallel wrapped coils I fed 90hz into one and 180hz into the other. The attached image shows the 180hz on the top trace, the 90hz I've drawn in in red, the bottom trace is the resultant output. The drawn in red line on the lower trace is the 0V level.

The staircase on the output goes down because the input signal are synchronised on a rising edge. I'll try moving the input signal to synchronise on the trailing edge so that the staircase goes up.

If this output were DC shifted up say 100V, you would have a situation where, in the case of a rising staircase, you would have progressive dc pulses WITHOUT A CURRENT REVERSAL. We know from Tesla that Radiant Energy occurs when pulses are applied in such a way that their is no current reversal... Further more, if this staircase effect was to occur on a high voltage spike, due to further mixing with other coils and you have the situation where you are generating high voltage DC, non reversing pulses.

I think part of the puzzle is to get this staircase effect happening on the leading edge of very high voltage BEMF pulses.

EDIT: I had the AC button pressed on my scope instead of the DC. I've therefore redrawn the 0V level on the attached image. The 0V level is at the bottom of the lower trace NOT centered on the lower trace.

Okay, but then your red lower frequency must have double the amplitude of your green square wave,otherwise you will
not get this staircase wave just by adding them up...

I would have expected a 3 level staircase with the same amplitude for the input square waves. 1 high, 2 and 3 in the middle, and 1 low. I checked the output from the mosfet drivers and the square waves from the drivers are the same amplitude...


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« Reply #98 on: June 13, 2007, 01:41:42 PM »
I have to say I'm looking forward to replicating this device. Drivers will be here tomorrow morning !!

These are some of the tests I have in mind:

1. Once I have the two frequency lighting of the bulb. What happens if I gradually reduce the supply voltage ? Is there a sudden cut-off point where the bulb turns off or does it reduce brightness gradually ?

2. What happens if I disconnect one, or other, or both of the mobius coils ?

3. What happens if I disconnect one of the control coils ?

4. What happens if I switch in one or more bulbs in series ?

5. What happens if I switch in one or more bulbs in parallel ?


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« Reply #99 on: June 13, 2007, 01:47:55 PM »
is this how the outputs of the 7307 are wired, as ottos symbols are a little off.
and having never used mosfets , and having only just enough i dont want to destroy
them. i understand the gates are joined its just the other pins i was curious about.

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« Reply #100 on: June 13, 2007, 01:56:47 PM »


I would have expected a 3 level staircase with the same amplitude for the input square waves. 1 high, 2 and 3 in the middle, and 1 low. I checked the output from the mosfet drivers and the square waves from the drivers are the same amplitude...



Strange, how did you mix these 2 waveforms ?
Added them up via resistors or how ?

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #101 on: June 13, 2007, 01:58:19 PM »
I have to say I'm looking forward to replicating this device. Drivers will be here tomorrow morning !!

These are some of the tests I have in mind:

1. Once I have the two frequency lighting of the bulb. What happens if I gradually reduce the supply voltage ? Is there a sudden cut-off point where the bulb turns off or does it reduce brightness gradually ?

2. What happens if I disconnect one, or other, or both of the mobius coils ?

3. What happens if I disconnect one of the control coils ?

4. What happens if I switch in one or more bulbs in series ?

5. What happens if I switch in one or more bulbs in parallel ?



I hope Jason, Otto or Roberto can answer this.
Any maybe soon Giantkiller with his new setup.

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #102 on: June 13, 2007, 02:02:36 PM »
sorry, I was mistaken.

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« Reply #103 on: June 13, 2007, 02:34:45 PM »
Hello,

@Bob.rennips

1.if my memory is ok, I can say that when you reduce the supply voltage the light is reduced. But dont worry about the power supply. When you hit the right frequency mix, the voltage from the power supply will be at 12V if you started with this voltage.

2.By disconnecting one strand you will see that there is less power and this means that your bulb is not so nice shining.

3. By disconnecting 2 strands look at point 2.

4. When you add more bulbs the power is halfed in this moment. NO;NO; dont worry!!!I already sayd that my controls are not sooo good. This is my first job. Better controls.
In the final version, when the controls are ok, then you can connect another bulb and the instruments cant "see" an additional load. I made this already but lost it because my oscillators are also not good.

Bulbs in a series connection I never tried.

Otto


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« Reply #104 on: June 13, 2007, 02:55:01 PM »
Hello all,

it should be clear that my setup is MY favorit in this moment. SM told us that there are a lot of ways to built a good TPU. So, in a very short time, I suppose, there will be TPUs like the open one with the controlls wound all over the collector and a few other types.

I only wanted to give the basic setup that I have. Its on you to find other possibilities to built a good TPU.

Otto

Otto,

Bearing the above in mind, and the fact that you have built something and have seen some results, you must have an explanation or theory of operation for the device?

Have you or Roberto considered doing a writeup of the theory of operation for this device?

SM said that different configurations work, albeit, the final one was best. However, we can be certain that no matter what the configuration, the theory of operation, or basic concept is the same in all.

It would be interesting to read what the theory of operation or basic concept of your device is, as I have not seen this yet. Sorry if this has already been explained, but a formal writeup would be helpful to those building also, so they know what they are looking for.

I know you both are busy, this is only a suggestion.

Regards,
Darren

 

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