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Offline z_p_e

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #135 on: June 13, 2007, 11:18:09 PM »
@ Earl

SM suggested in his posts, to build a "mini tube amp" using Mosfets, to power the TPU, to start with.  He said it would be faster all around, to see something happen.  Can you explain as an electronic guy, how close to what is being done, is to a mini tube amp?  Is there any similarites?  What would the difference be?

I think this is an important post of SM's.

Thank you,
Bruce

Bruce,

What everyone has been doing to date (excluding Lindsay perhaps) with their MOSFETs is not a mini tube amp.

Tube amplifier (or any amplifier) implies amplification, in the linear sense. MOSFETs used as switches are being used in a nonlinear sense.

SM used 3 tube oscillators to begin with, and this leaves open either sines or squares.

I believe the majority (including myself) lean towards square waves, or more precisely, pulses. Tubes can be used as switches also, but what exactly Steven meant by mini tube amp is for you to decide.

If he really meant amplifier, then we should be designing a MOSFET amplifier based on the old tube amp designs.

If he meant tube amp in the nonlinear sense, then we should be building tube switches.

Darren

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #135 on: June 13, 2007, 11:18:09 PM »

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #136 on: June 13, 2007, 11:46:50 PM »
Earl,
you are right,
we want very fast  switching time.
So what kind of driver NPN and PNP transistors would you suggest ?
Is it best to use SMD types and hook and solder them directly
to the IRF 840 pins ?
Maybe we can then can just build this into the TPU.
Do we really need aluminium heat sinks if we just switch on
and off very fast ?
Then the IRF 840 MOSFETs should not get very hot at all, right ?

What about freewheel diodes across the controller coils ?
Are there any ? Have to study again the PDF file from Otto and Roberto.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #137 on: June 14, 2007, 12:01:15 AM »
Is the wiring in the right orientation?  Im gonna try and model this thing for better a visual.
(http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/3944/tpuc2sy0.jpg)

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #137 on: June 14, 2007, 12:01:15 AM »
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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #138 on: June 14, 2007, 12:07:47 AM »
Hi all ,
I've  tried zener diodes across the gate, ran off a coil to fire off the befm of the control coil. NO way to control the frequency (2.5MHZ) If i was reading the scope right(it's old) 6 volt rise in  .25ns :o

Mark
« Last Edit: June 14, 2007, 01:05:39 AM by maxc »

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #139 on: June 14, 2007, 01:17:35 AM »
@Freezer,
looks very nicely,
but I guess the 2 pairs of dark yellow wires should be over each other, so
not horizontal beneath each other...if that matters ?
I just had another closer look at Otto and Roberto?s PDF file.
It seems the Phase and Zero line where the bulb is connected works
like a transmission line as it is itsself shorted out already by the moebius
coil setup.

I wonder what would happen, if we rather put into the shortout the bulb, than
to use a transmission line tapping of the moebius setup ?

Also I still don?t understand the meaning of using in each Control Coil 2 windings ?
What is the advantage of this ?

Regards, Stefan.
P.S. I see no freewheel diodes in all the circuit diagramms, so I wonder if the
freewheel diode inside the IRF 840 play any role in it and this "anomalous avalanche" mode ?

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« Reply #139 on: June 14, 2007, 01:17:35 AM »
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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #140 on: June 14, 2007, 01:23:59 AM »
@ Stefan

Otto said the heat sink ONLY was hot, but NOT the MOSFET.  He and Roberto were amazed by this, because where the Mosfet was seated was only warm to the touch, but the "exposed" aluminum was very hot, giving off electrons.

Cheers,
Bruce

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #141 on: June 14, 2007, 01:34:39 AM »
??

OK, I have read most of the Steve Mark thread with the links to the video (early 2006).

I don't recall ever hearing him talk about hard fast switching edges; rather about a rotating magnetic field (typically using at least 3 poles to roll a field about). Traditionally, that is done using AC - though he might have been hiding some info.

I had also read his patent - which is using 6 poles to roll a field about <just checked - got it in front right now - yep, Fig.1 of US 2002/0125774 A1 has 6 poles>


And. Have read a book by Tom Bearden (Free Energy Generation) in which he discusses a circuit working by creating a deep magnetic field as hard and as fast as possible - for a short time - and gathering excess energy on the rebound.


Seems to me that - the replication is working more like TB's design then SM's.

OK, so - that is good, but now I am confused. How does this thing work???


Perhaps it is a hybrid - I have seen mention of a "turbine" effect on one of the other threads. That makes sense - a peak being driven about the coil.


*** Q: does it matter if the effect is understood before patenting it / certifying that the effect discussed is like Steve Marks?

*** This is important if it wants to be given away - if someone else can say "Aha! That is not how it works - our wonder patent (2% better) operates in a DIFFERENT manner thus not covered.....


:( now getting xconfused.

Steve

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #142 on: June 14, 2007, 01:42:03 AM »
@ Steve

This WILL NOT BE PATENTED.  Open Source my friend.  I too think it might be a type of Hybrid.  BUT it has the main things that SM said.  "circuit potential(mobius) Short pieces of wire (control coils) and three frequencies".

I too believe STRONGLY that down the road of "efficiency" we will find some how, AC at 7.23 HZ in the control wires, but we will see.  :)  I am replicating and then experiment with several ideas.  As will everyone else.  This is why it is so important to have as many replicators as possible.  Experiment and then post result, and we all build on that knowledge!

Cheers,
Bruce

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #143 on: June 14, 2007, 02:06:14 AM »
HI All,

I see a few replication pics and 3D visuals showing the Mobius coils taped to the outside of the support tubing.

Why not use 1/4" PFA tubing and run the lamp wire inside the the PFA? Then you can wind your control coils directly onto the PFA for closer coupling. That is how I'm constructing my version.

(I'm also considering another way - just cutting multiple stands of thin gage enameled copper wire equal length and running them through thin walled air tubing. Solder the tips on the ends to make my own version of Litz wire. I would make two 4" and two 6" versions, then connect them Mobius style and wrap control coil over the 6" tubes.)

I intend to build my PWM circuits without using a board.... All short lead hook and solder. My PWM network will be a small little ball of mess, being very tight and very little distance through which my charges need to physically displace. The control network will sit inside the center - hopefully safe inside the eye of the hurricane.

Robby

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #144 on: June 14, 2007, 02:21:09 AM »
@ Stefan

Otto said the heat sink ONLY was hot, but NOT the MOSFET.  He and Roberto were amazed by this, because where the Mosfet was seated was only warm to the touch, but the "exposed" aluminum was very hot, giving off electrons.

Cheers,
Bruce

Bruce,
when we look at the IRF 840 datasheet:
http://www.datasheet4u.com/download.php?id=284087
we can see that the outer case tab is connected to the drain.
So if the aluminium heatsink is heated via eddy currents and this will
release free electrons, do you think these will go additionally
into the circuit and will power the bulb ?

Roberto and Otto, did you have a physical connection of the case tab
of the MOSFET with the aluminium heatsink or did you use isolated glimmer
pieces, so there was no connection ?

If there was a connection and the free electrons from the
aluminiumheat sink would be sucked into the circuit,
then the heatsink would have itsself to be charged up positively,right ?
So does it do this ?

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« Reply #145 on: June 14, 2007, 02:42:00 AM »
@ Stefan,
Yes.  I could not tell you how, this tech being so new.  This is why I want to make another coil shortly wrapped in teflon tape.  This is also why SM recently wrote to Lindsay stating they had even tried oxidized copper wires.  Oxidation release many more free electrons.

You see, what I think, is what SM stated.  If the magnetic flux of the wire can be "disabled" then the electrons float free, and we get into all sort of new territory, including Einsteins SR (special relativity), and SM's own story of the canons trying to explain SR and the process of free electrons exploding into the air molecules producing more free electrons.  This IS the cascade effect or avalanche as some have called it.

Now, if anyone googles Mobius, you will find that it is used to "disable" the flux.  There is another way to do this I have found but will not post it yet, because I do not want to distract from the replication of Otto's at the moment.  I have told Jason of it.  But that is why ONLY with the mobius or similar method to disable the flux, will this work.  All of this fits SM's words.  But we will be tweaking mechanics and electronics for a long time.  Keep it simple is my only advice to our electronic guru's.

Thank you for your time,
Bruce

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #146 on: June 14, 2007, 02:53:20 AM »
@ Stefan

Otto said the heat sink ONLY was hot, but NOT the MOSFET.  He and Roberto were amazed by this, because where the Mosfet was seated was only warm to the touch, but the "exposed" aluminum was very hot, giving off electrons.

Cheers,
Bruce

What tests have you done to be able to say the heated aluminium gives off substantial numbers of electrons ?

Do you any scientific/engineering references for this effect ?

Tubes have a vacuum for a reason. They also have high potential gradients for an accelerating field and optionally heated THIN wires.

I trust you're not just makinga parallel between a vacuum tube and hot piece of metal.

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« Reply #147 on: June 14, 2007, 03:25:37 AM »
@All

I am not trying to replicate this test, therefore, trying to stay quiet and avoid any arguing.
But when one says that a hot aluminum releases a lot of electrons or any other charged (even not charged) particles and one is working with it with ?naked? hands, one should have got cancer by this time if the output power of those released electrons can power  a 40W bulb.

Kames.

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« Reply #148 on: June 14, 2007, 03:31:14 AM »
??

I had also read his patent - which is using 6 poles to roll a field about <just checked - got it in front right now - yep, Fig.1 of US 2002/0125774 A1 has 6 poles>


That's not SM's patent as far as we know. The patents (several) are apparently on the control circuitry only, and not on the coil configuration at all. So I'd say this patent is not a candidate as SM's.

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And. Have read a book by Tom Bearden (Free Energy Generation) in which he discusses a circuit working by creating a deep magnetic field as hard and as fast as possible - for a short time - and gathering excess energy on the rebound.


Seems to me that - the replication is working more like TB's design then SM's.

Possibly, but I have not seen that circuit. Sounds like capturing bemf, which in itself, is not free energy.

Darren

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #149 on: June 14, 2007, 03:37:08 AM »
Hi Bruce,

yep - a confusion about patent there - but I was trying to express a something.

Patents link to intellectual property - and serve (as far as I understand) 2 functions:

1) to say "this is the thing being discussed, and this is how it is built"
2) to make money either by manufacture or licensing to make.

Agreed people here (...?) not out for (2).

Would not it be best to use patents for purpose (1) - so it is logged and published for all around the world- and then Open Source it i.e. allow unrestricted use?

Otherwise there is no definition of the tech in public.

Me, I'd want patents + licensing for petty amounts - so that a reign is kept over those who will gouge or hijack the tech with their own patent (..and that will be tried, Open Source or no).

I see patents + Open Source as a way to liberty.

Steve

 

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