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Offline Super God

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #120 on: June 13, 2007, 06:37:48 PM »
Is the zero degree coil connected to the zero phase output?  Why is the third oscillator connected to the zero phase?  Sorry, just a bit of misunderstanding.

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #120 on: June 13, 2007, 06:37:48 PM »

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« Reply #121 on: June 13, 2007, 07:43:44 PM »
z_p_e wrote: -

"However, I have been experimenting, building, and designing for a long time, and also seen "wolf" cried far more times than I care to remember. So perhaps you can appreciate my skeptecism and objectivity."


Me too.

It's important that Otto and Roberto carry out their own verification tests. They are now well aware of how this should be done and I'm sure they will report their findings in their own good time. Other replications are to be encouraged but Otto and Roberto can only sit back and rest when they have proved to themselves that their TPU and power supply can pass any scientific test conducted to verify the data and observations so far presented and recorded.

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #122 on: June 13, 2007, 07:50:09 PM »
@Tishatang

I tried to send you a personal message via the forum (twice). Are you still coming down to Santa Cruz with your scope?
Please let me know, asap (before you leave for China)!

Thanks

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« Reply #122 on: June 13, 2007, 07:50:09 PM »
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« Reply #123 on: June 13, 2007, 08:52:11 PM »
SM said that different configurations work, albeit, the final one was best. However, we can be certain that no matter what the configuration, the theory of operation, or basic concept is the same in all.

Not necessarily. Two different but linked processes could be involved in the ideal configuration, and some configurations could only expose one of these processes. What is interesting about Roberto's and Otto's breakthrough is that it gives us another perspective which, combined to what we already knew, will help us us gain a better understanding of the overall phenomena. 

It would be interesting to read what the theory of operation or basic concept of your device is, as I have not seen this yet. Sorry if this has already been explained, but a formal writeup would be helpful to those building also, so they know what they are looking for.

Darren, before requesting more reading material, I suggest you read what is already available. Here is an excerpt from the TPU_ECD_V1_0.pdf document:

In this paper you will find few theoretical assessments: they, with the help of God,
will come later. This paper that you are going to read is to be considered just as preliminary, more data will follow as per requests also. A complete description of principles behind ECD may be found here (http://magnetism.fateback.com/Overunity.htm).

I will not spend the time building this because I do not believe it works according to the claims being made. Insufficient and unrelible data is all that has been presented thus far and that won't convince me it is worthwhile to build it. I have other projects going, including the SM-TPU.

Then the appropriate question is: What are you doing here? This thread is for those who believe there is something important going on, and who want to be part of it. Others should either go for a walk or stay silent.

Surely Otto and Roberto must have a theory of how the device operates, or at least what effect they were trying to achieve by their configuration? They must also know if and how a RMF is created, a turbine effect exists, what the kicks are and how they manifest etc. etc.

Surely, you know how long it takes to build a theorical frame around an unknown phenomena. This breakthough happened only a few days ago. Isn't your request somewhat unreasonable? Plus, why would you want to further your knowledge in a phenomena you don't believe in? Unless of course you have a hidden agenda...

I am sure SM knows very well how to achieve the effect, and what it is, even though he may not be positive where the energy is coming from.

Since you followed what what going on in the Magnetic Reconnection thread, you must remember that in a letter to Mannix following the publication of my theory, SM plainly said that he had no idea what this effect was.

Jacob

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« Reply #124 on: June 13, 2007, 08:58:59 PM »
SM said that different configurations work, albeit, the final one was best. However, we can be certain that no matter what the configuration, the theory of operation, or basic concept is the same in all.

Not necessarily. Two different but linked processes could be involved in the ideal configuration, and some configurations could only expose one of these processes. What is interesting about Roberto's and Otto's breakthrough is that it gives us another perspective which, combined to what we already knew, will help us us gain a better understanding of the overall phenomena. 

It would be interesting to read what the theory of operation or basic concept of your device is, as I have not seen this yet. Sorry if this has already been explained, but a formal writeup would be helpful to those building also, so they know what they are looking for.

Darren, before requesting more reading material, I suggest you read what is already available. Here is an excerpt from the TPU_ECD_V1_0.pdf document:

In this paper you will find few theoretical assessments: they, with the help of God,
will come later. This paper that you are going to read is to be considered just as preliminary, more data will follow as per requests also. A complete description of principles behind ECD may be found here (http://magnetism.fateback.com/Overunity.htm).

I will not spend the time building this because I do not believe it works according to the claims being made. Insufficient and unrelible data is all that has been presented thus far and that won't convince me it is worthwhile to build it. I have other projects going, including the SM-TPU.

Then the appropriate question is: What are you doing here? This thread is for those who believe there is something important going on, and who want to be part of it. Others should either go for a walk or stay silent.

Surely Otto and Roberto must have a theory of how the device operates, or at least what effect they were trying to achieve by their configuration? They must also know if and how a RMF is created, a turbine effect exists, what the kicks are and how they manifest etc. etc.

Surely, you know how long it takes to build a theorical frame around an unknown phenomena. This breakthough happened only a few days ago. Isn't your request somewhat unreasonable? Plus, why would you want to further your knowledge in a phenomena you don't believe in? Unless of course you have a hidden agenda...

I am sure SM knows very well how to achieve the effect, and what it is, even though he may not be positive where the energy is coming from.

Since you followed what what going on in the Magnetic Reconnection thread, you must remember that in a letter to Mannix following the publication of my theory, SM plainly said that he had no idea what this effect was.

Jacob

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #124 on: June 13, 2007, 08:58:59 PM »
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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #125 on: June 13, 2007, 09:05:03 PM »
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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #126 on: June 13, 2007, 09:14:57 PM »
JUST BUILD IT!!!

...then you can answer your own questions.

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #126 on: June 13, 2007, 09:14:57 PM »
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« Reply #127 on: June 13, 2007, 09:23:41 PM »
I'd like to suggest that after the next replication is accomplished with square waves, you inject sine waves, and perhaps re-tune to verify the effect still exists.

Perhaps the square waves and related harmonics are responsible for most of the harmful effects that have been reported and this is why SM stressed pure sine waves. I realize everyone is very aware of the possibility but I have not heard anyone state it.

-Duff

Not a bad idea, however I have to point out that SM never clearly state that he was talking about pure sine waves, we assume that because of the context. He could mean very very accurate pulses.

My gut tells me that we wouldn't see anything with AC input.

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #128 on: June 13, 2007, 09:24:20 PM »
@ Duff

SM said "Pure frequency", not "Pure Sine wave".  I made that same false assumption in my thread, until re reading SM's words.

Cheers,
Bruce

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« Reply #129 on: June 13, 2007, 09:35:45 PM »
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« Reply #130 on: June 13, 2007, 09:41:50 PM »
Hi Harti,

this is a good idea only as long as you do not need fast switching.  The spec sheet only guarantees 1.75 mA output current.  A normal FET driver IC can deliver 3A, 4A, even 9A, so you can see that even putting all gates in parallel still delivers too little current to charge up the power FET input capacity of maybe 2nF.  In addition you have to get through the so-called Miller zone.

I prefer a fast, driver IC, but sometimes use the attached "cheap and dirty" circuit.  If you run the IC at 6V, then you can just get by with a "logic-level" FET.  Because the transistors operate as emitter followers, there are no storage charges to slow them down, but you lose 0.6V base-emitter.  Emmitter followers have very low output impedance.

Since radiant events are suspected to be caused by switching current on and off extremely quickly, the best is to turn the power FET on and off as fast as possible.  This can only be done by a driver IC, say operating at 10-15 VDC, spec'ed to charge and discharge the FET gate in 10 or 20ns.  But in practice you will not achieve this unless you use multiple SMD ceramic C's of different values.  IT IS NOT THE POWER SUPPLY THAT DELIVERS THE MULTI-AMP PULSES, IT'S THE C's AND THE C's ONLY.  The driver IC must be located directly at the FET's source and gate terminals, say closer than 1 ~ 4 mm NO MORE !!!

Nanoseconds = small
high currents = small
big = antenna

Having wires running all over your table is not how you do nanosecond switching.  But it makes a fantastic transmitter OF RF.

It is a science and an art to build fast switching circuits.

Regards, Earl
Why  are you using these expensive driver FETs ?

Why not just control the IRF 840 ?s gate with a parallel circuit
of 3 or 4 schmitttrigger hex inverter ICs like
MM74C14 Hex Schmitt Trigger  ?

Here is a PDF File.

Just put at least 2 or 3 of them parallel and there you go.
Should have enough punch to hit the IRF 840 gate fully open !

http://www.fairchildsemi.com/ds/MM/MM74C14.pdf

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« Reply #130 on: June 13, 2007, 09:41:50 PM »
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« Reply #131 on: June 13, 2007, 09:54:33 PM »
Hi Earl,
many thanks for your experience and your circuit.
Maybe it is only required to have a fast OFF switching in this circuit,so
your circuit still needs a low ohmic resistor like 100 Ohms from Gate to ground ?

or is the lower PNP transistor enough to pull the gate down ?

Well, we are working here in the Khz ranges and I ask myself,
if we really need this fast Nanosecond switching ?

Would be intersting to see, if the TPU-ECD would also work with
being controlled by 3 different sine frequencies..

Regards, Stefan.

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« Reply #132 on: June 13, 2007, 09:59:32 PM »
For a sine wave, I think it can safely be assumed that pure means low-distortion, low harmonics.  For a square wave or pulse, it is more difficult, but could be interpreted to mean either low-jitter (jitter = noise in effect) or high frequency-stability, low drift.  This might mean no R/C elements in the oscillator, only L/C elements permitted.  This rules out 555 timer circuits.

Regards, Earl
@ Duff

SM said "Pure frequency", not "Pure Sine wave".  I made that same false assumption in my thread, until re reading SM's words.

Cheers,
Bruce

@ Bruce & gn0stik

Thanks for the correction.

So minimum harmonic content  might equal less harmful effects to deal with.

-Duff



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« Reply #133 on: June 13, 2007, 10:24:46 PM »
@ Earl

SM suggested in his posts, to build a "mini tube amp" using Mosfets, to power the TPU, to start with.  He said it would be faster all around, to see something happen.  Can you explain as an electronic guy, how close to what is being done, is to a mini tube amp?  Is there any similarites?  What would the difference be?

I think this is an important post of SM's.

Thank you,
Bruce

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« Reply #134 on: June 13, 2007, 11:14:58 PM »
Hi Harti,

As I understand Tesla, he sais both turn-on and turn-off should be as fast as possible and he tried everything he could to achieve this.

I personally do not like any resistance in the gate for switching applications.  My circuit is based on always having a "1" or "0" gate output.  Many gates do NOT have tri-state outputs (open circuit).  One of course always has to pay attention not to let a static charge zap the gate while handling/soldering.

The lower PNP transistor pulls the gate down quickly to ground since an emitter follower has low output impedance.

Very glad you asked the question about "only kHz range".  One time I told a group of assembled Engineers from one of the biggest, most well known manufacturers that were having trouble with their switching power supply that their "only kHz" power supply was a 1 GHz amplifier overdriven in the kHz range.  They all laughed.  Well their laughing stopped later when they realized that I was correct.  I saved the as* of the project manager.

Fast rise/fall times has advantages:  it may create radiant energy and the FET switching losses are minimized.  If there is too much EMC / EMI / EMV, then your circuit is too big.  All current loops must be physically as small as possible.

Also remember a "ground" only exists at DC.

Regards, Earl
Hi Earl,
many thanks for your experience and your circuit.
Maybe it is only required to have a fast OFF switching in this circuit,so
your circuit still needs a low ohmic resistor like 100 Ohms from Gate to ground ?

or is the lower PNP transistor enough to pull the gate down ?

Well, we are working here in the Khz ranges and I ask myself,
if we really need this fast Nanosecond switching ?

Would be intersting to see, if the TPU-ECD would also work with
being controlled by 3 different sine frequencies..

Regards, Stefan.

 

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