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Author Topic: High speed, full rotation setup, Lorentz Law  (Read 8800 times)

Offline Bruce_TPU

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High speed, full rotation setup, Lorentz Law
« on: June 11, 2007, 06:45:36 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1xgq6LFi9U

Forget the inventors ancient earth theories for a bit and see the effect of what can only be lorentz law.  When you watch this, think about three more magnetic set ups around the flywheel.  I have been saving this until now.  Tonight I let all the cats out of the bag.  LOL

Out of all the magnet only self runners, so called, that I have seen, I think with refinement, this setup based on lorentz law and contrary to what one would imagine for a magnetic self runner, has the greatest potential thus far. 

As you know, I am in TPU land, and have ZERO time to come out and play, working on my replication of Otto's and Roberto's setup.

But if any of you at all have learned to trust a little in my intuition, then know that this could be the start of a real winner at best, and of a whole new approach and idea to self running magnet motors at least.

So, if interested, then keep this thread going.  I will read but will not have much time to participate.  I do not do well if I am not "centered" on a particular thing.

If not, and I am off my rocker,  ;) then let the thread die.

Thank you for your time,
Bruce

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Re: High speed, full rotation setup, Lorentz Law
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2007, 06:41:41 PM »
So whatever input rpm wise you put into the wheel it stays at? This looks really promising..

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Re: High speed, full rotation setup, Lorentz Law
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2007, 10:42:21 PM »
anyone know about the big wheel? what was it made of?
am i rigt about this?: a small inlines wheel..put 4 magnets on that..and then what? what will the magnets react to??

if anyone can replicate this..please tell

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Re: High speed, full rotation setup, Lorentz Law
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Re: High speed, full rotation setup, Lorentz Law
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2007, 11:02:11 PM »
   OK, I dont like to be the negative here but pay attention to the small dc motor that is seen between the wheel and the spinner.  Hanging on the pedistal is what looks like a power source.  OK?  Hope I am wrong but.....  Very obvious to me.

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Re: High speed, full rotation setup, Lorentz Law
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2007, 05:51:51 AM »
@ Sugra
you could indeed be right, but the whole point of what I am trying to get across, is not to replicate this motor, but the whole new thought process of a magnet motor, using magnets and aluminum and the Lorentz law to our benefit.

Here is another example of some unique characteristics, besides the two that Stefan has posted.  Somehow the unique relationship between the two could bring about full rotation easier perhaps then simply using magnets.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gKr4Lnv0eM

Food for thought,
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Re: High speed, full rotation setup, Lorentz Law
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Re: High speed, full rotation setup, Lorentz Law
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2007, 05:56:25 AM »
Here is another quick experiment to learn by.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsaGEOEAdyc

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Re: High speed, full rotation setup, Lorentz Law
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2007, 08:58:07 PM »
okey it has a motor but, can it it be done with overtunity? make power and still load it self?

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Re: High speed, full rotation setup, Lorentz Law
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2007, 01:36:36 PM »
anyone know about the big wheel? what was it made of?
am i rigt about this?: a small inlines wheel..put 4 magnets on that..and then what? what will the magnets react to??

if anyone can replicate this..please tell
The wheel looks very much like the ones on an exercise bicycle. It's made of steel or aluminum maybe.

Br.

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Re: High speed, full rotation setup, Lorentz Law
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2007, 01:39:29 PM »
okey it has a motor but, can it it be done with overtunity? make power and still load it self?
This device will probably never be an OU. The rotating magnets are forced to rotate due to the back torque made when the magnets ar trying to produce current in the passing metal.

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Re: High speed, full rotation setup, Lorentz Law
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Re: High speed, full rotation setup, Lorentz Law
« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2007, 02:50:01 PM »
Das erste Video zeigt nur ein Schwungrad.
Dieses wird sich Stunden drehen , wenn es mit
Kraftaufwand auf Touren gebracht wurde.
Das was in der Lager-Reibung verloren geht
ist so wenig , dass der kleinste DC Motor dies
ausgleichen kann ,Das heisst die Drehzahl bleibt dann
konstant oder erh?ht sich.


2.
Festplattenscheiben haben eine Beschichtung zur
Magnetisierung. Diese nimmt Magnetkarft bei "beschreiben" auf.
Der gezeigte Effekt kommt hiervon.


3.
Das kommt von Wirbelstr?men . Festmagnet hat Einfluss auf
gelagerte Aluplatte. (Beispiel :Stromz?hler) 
Daher drehende
Aluplatte auch auf einen aufgeh?ngten Magneten.


Alles Normal . Nichts zu verwundern.

The first video shows only one flywheel.
This will turn hours, if it with
Effort on tours was brought.
What gets lost in the camp friction
is so little, that the smallest engine DC this
can equalize, that is then the speed remains
consistently or increases.


2.
Hard disk discs have a coating to
Magnetization. This takes up Magnet power with "describe"
(digital informations that are magnetically sored on an overlay of this aluminium harddisc plate.
The shown effect comes from this.


3.
 This comes from whirl streams. Festival magnet wears influence
stored aluminum record. (Example:Home-Elrctricity counter) 
Hence, turning ones
Aluminum record also on a hung up magnet.



Everything Normally. To surprise nothing.

G.Pese

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Re: High speed, full rotation setup, Lorentz Law
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2007, 04:12:34 PM »
At BTenzer:
   OK, I see your point. Not about the "actual" device but to what it implies. I can see where you are going with this. I am starting to see the effects that can be manifested in aluminum via magnets. Erfinder was trying to pass on this info in his posts. Have to go back and scour all his posts again and dig out more of what he meant. I so wish he would just come out and explain it. So much to share and still they have to play guessing games.

sugra


@ Sugra
you could indeed be right, but the whole point of what I am trying to get across, is not to replicate this motor, but the whole new thought process of a magnet motor, using magnets and aluminum and the Lorentz law to our benefit.

Here is another example of some unique characteristics, besides the two that Stefan has posted.  Somehow the unique relationship between the two could bring about full rotation easier perhaps then simply using magnets.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gKr4Lnv0eM

Food for thought,
Bruce

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Re: High speed, full rotation setup, Lorentz Law
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2007, 04:12:34 PM »
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Re: High speed, full rotation setup, Lorentz Law
« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2007, 09:10:17 PM »
Hello All! 

This is an interesting find concerning our discussion here.  New thinking about the use of aluminum with magnets to achieve high speed full rotation.

I would also couple this with Tseungs lead out theory, concerning the offset wheel.  The two of these together would be powerful, I believe.

Sorry I am stuck in TPU land, but will look in as I find info pertaining to this new way of thinking.  Any Ideas or experiments you wish to compile here concerning one or both of these theories in combination would be appreciated.

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/revlenz.htm

Cheers,
Bruce  :)

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Re: High speed, full rotation setup, Lorentz Law
« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2007, 01:01:59 AM »
Yay, finally something for me to replicate.  If it actually works I'll put it in my EV I plan to build sometime in my lifetime.

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Re: High speed, full rotation setup, Lorentz Law
« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2007, 11:13:00 AM »
Hello All! 

This is an interesting find concerning our discussion here.  New thinking about the use of aluminum with magnets to achieve high speed full rotation.

I would also couple this with Tseungs lead out theory, concerning the offset wheel.  The two of these together would be powerful, I believe.

Sorry I am stuck in TPU land, but will look in as I find info pertaining to this new way of thinking.  Any Ideas or experiments you wish to compile here concerning one or both of these theories in combination would be appreciated.

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/revlenz.htm

Cheers,
Bruce  :)

According to Naudin page when distance between rotor and stator decreases the magnetic field in plate colapses - that's correct. But eddy currents tend to maintain  stator's field when resulting field (rotor + stator) collapse so eddy currents produce field of exactly the same direction as stator's field. Finally in rotor to stator approach stage rotor "sees" stator magnet with opposite to rortor's polarity (as it was) and field of plate again with oposite to rotors polarity. So basicly we have stronger repuslion when rotor approachres stator and weaker repulsion when distance increases.

This is how lorentz law works - always resist the change of magnetuc flux. There is nothing to replicate, it will never work... :(

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Re: High speed, full rotation setup, Lorentz Law
« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2007, 03:45:19 AM »
According to Naudin page when distance between rotor and stator decreases the magnetic field in plate colapses - that's correct. But eddy currents tend to maintain  stator's field when resulting field (rotor + stator) collapse so eddy currents produce field of exactly the same direction as stator's field. Finally in rotor to stator approach stage rotor "sees" stator magnet with opposite to rortor's polarity (as it was) and field of plate again with oposite to rotors polarity. So basicly we have stronger repuslion when rotor approachres stator and weaker repulsion when distance increases.

This is how lorentz law works - always resist the change of magnetuc flux. There is nothing to replicate, it will never work... :(

Never say never!  LOL  Hasn't worked is not can't work. 

My idea is to couple a series of aluminum offset wheels, permanent magnets, and fluid dynamics as talked about in the "lead out" theory.  Eddy currents are real with aluminum, what we must do is engineer it in such a way as to take advantage of these eddy currents.  Some lasers use eddy current, on a microscopic scale to "speed electrons" to relativistic speeds.  Like I have suggested before, NEW thinking is needed.  Study, theory and most important, experiment! 

Cheers,
Bruce

 

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