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Offline Silvije

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Impact of Free Energy Device on humanity
« on: June 06, 2007, 11:26:14 AM »
This seems like important topic.

Please do propose your scenarios.

Will Free Energy Device really bring us all peace or another war?

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Re: Impact of Free Energy Device on humanity
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2007, 11:29:49 AM »
Knife is for cutting bread or killing someone (hopefully not)
so who is to blame? The supposed killer or the man who made the knife?

Is knife good or bad thing? Now replace knife with a term "free energy device". will it bring peace or war?

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Re: Impact of Free Energy Device on humanity
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2007, 11:36:23 AM »
I know this forum should be only about plans and circuits of such devices but if such device will bring us war than I will think about do I want to be a part of the whole thing.

This is proposal of my first scenario:

Free energy device will not change the world much, and doubtfully for better.
It will maybe take down electricity from the global market but that will not help poor people not to be poor any more. Why I say that? For example we can get electricity almost for free from the sun (there is investment in solar panels in the beginning). So why africa with highest insolation is the most poor continent? Why dont they use solar power and be the most developed part of the world.
Simple answer is who is going to give them solar panels? Exactly the same will happen with free energy device. Who is going to give them this device. Rich people will be able to build it for themself and to become even richer. Nothing else.

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Offline Silvije

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Re: Impact of Free Energy Device on humanity
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2007, 11:45:25 AM »
Just one more thought:

I am not really convinced that this device will bring us any peace as long as we
need to collect prize money for it. There I can see gaining profit. The man who discovers
this should give it for free, not for a prize or a profit if we hope it to bring us something other than war.

Personaly I would be satisfied to release something like that in secret, so I could not even get famous. Why?

Fame, money, power, glory... it's a same old story...

s.

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Re: Impact of Free Energy Device on humanity
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2007, 05:38:56 PM »
There is no such a thing as "free energy" It allways comes at a cost. I say that because that even if you was given the plans for such a device you would have to buy components to build it. You would have time and effort put into it. NOTHING IS FREE! even the food you consume while building it must be factored in the cost as your body transforms energy for the work.

The scenario.  Free energy device is released to the general public, manufacturers of electrical appliances, electronics and transportation, the sciences, and academia. they all incorporate it into their products and the world goes cordless, and battery less. fossil fuels would no longer be needed and the price would drop drasticly. Utilities companies would have to close up shop and shut down all the nuke plants. Everything that is manufactured after it would have it's own power supply built into it. Mankinds knowledge would be increased in leaps and bounds as the sciences and academia research the various by-products of the mechanism via design variations.

EVERYTHING can be used for evil intent. We are a warlike bieng and wars will be waged and triumphs and tragedies will allways be the result. to say that oil or nuclear ambitions will suddenly dissapear is a unrealistic expectation.  Good does still out weigh evil IMHO. 

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Re: Impact of Free Energy Device on humanity
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2007, 02:45:34 PM »
ring_theory, you have made a few statements that I take issue with. I don't blame you for holding these opinions; they are pretty well embedded in our culture but they are disfunctional and do not reflect reality:

1. "NOTHING IS FREE!".  Hmmm... who do you have to buy it from? Where did they get it and how much did it cost them? Keep asking this question until you get to the ultimate source. If you don't arrive at free you will certainly have reduced the cost by cutting out the middle men. With most things that are worth having you should be able to arrive at a pure source: i.e. one where the person who makes the item does it just because they like to do it, for the 'love' of it. I know this idea is controversial.

2. "We are a warlike bieng".  This one is much more straightforward. Are YOU a warlike being? I certainly am not. Although I WAS trained to be (I was an officer in the Corps of Royal Engineers), it is not my natural state, which is entirely peaceful. I think if you examine your core, the source of who you are, and discard all of the conditioning you have been subject to (including the conditioned idea that you are a warlike being from a species of warlike beings) you will discover that you are by nature as peaceful as I am.

Lie out in the sun and tell me you are not receiving free energy.  It costs the sun nothing to do what it does naturally.  Cost is a fiction when things do what they naturally do.  It is created when we create the illusion that we 'own' stuff.  You may say "That is not how the world works." but I can tell you that I have studied the world in detail and you are simply confused: the world does work like that but society does not.

If you are so wrong about your nature (that you are a warlike being) then it may be worth examining the rest of the ideas you have about the world to see what else you have been conditioned to believe and how you have been conditioned to behave. Everything then turns on its head.  Suddenly you no longer have to search for peace because you discover that peace is always there until someone does something to disturb it.  Energy is free until somebody taxes it. War is alien to your nature until someone convinces you to take part in it.

I am not having a particular 'go' at you, ring_theory, these misconceptions are widely held.  If people came to understand their nature then energy would be generally free, clean and beneficial.

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Re: Impact of Free Energy Device on humanity
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2007, 05:43:42 PM »
@prajna

Go to the grocery and see how much free is there. Go to the petrol station and see how much free gas you can get. When you get your electric bill send it back with a note that it is free, see how long you have service. I cannot even come to the free conclusion with even an apple. Low cost is definately the answer but still not free. The sun free to us but to extract it's energy is costly in the initial investment. wind, water the same way. allthough the source is seemingly free the equipment to extract it is definately not free. I am not recieving free energy from the sun our bodies are not capable of transforming the suns energy. Free skin cancer maybe. We are not knowledgeable enough to affirm that the suns rays are not at a cost to the sun. For the love of it?? BAH! FOR MONEY!! Don't think for one moment that my inventions were prototyped because i like to invent. they were prototyped for MONEY and the wealth that will be gained by their discovery. Well every piece costed and still continues to cost. So much for free, and again low cost is the result.   

Warlike. Yes i am a warlike bieng. However the wars we wage as individuals in society are vastly different than the wars that are waged by nations. My wars are of "words" waged against injustice, and abuse. Of these I will never waiver! Peacefull ofcourse as I said in my final sentence "Good does still out weigh evil IMHO."  Peaceful is in our nature but we are also warlike by nature.

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Re: Impact of Free Energy Device on humanity
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2007, 06:27:33 PM »
You will not succeed in discovery if you cannot think outside the box, ring_theory. The box, in this context is the socio-political box you have been conditioned into. The truth is that we can directly transform the sun's energy: that is how your body produces vitamin D.  You directly experience warmth from the sun too.  Have you ever stopped to think that the countries with the most sun use the least sun-block and suffer the lowest skin cancer? Perhaps it is not the sun that is causing skin cancer after all, but you have been convinced to think that by the box you are trapped in - the very same box that profits from selling sun-block.

If you ask the same question about money that I asked you to raise in the previous post - where does it come from - you will discover the most extraordinary thing: some folk just create it out of thin air.  Now that really is free energy!  Why should it be free for reserve banks and the federal reserve but incur debt for the rest of us?

I doubt you really are war-like by nature, simply angry that you are trapped by the box, which is also responsible for the injustice and abuse from which you suffer.  A war of words is not the scenario that a war-like being finds himself in; rather it is the situation that a chickenhawk excells at.

If you are really concerned about injustice and abuse then why do you insist on perpetuating it by just being into 'free' energy for the money and wealth?

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Re: Impact of Free Energy Device on humanity
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2007, 10:03:09 PM »
You will not succeed in discovery if you cannot think outside the box, ring_theory. The box, in this context is the socio-political box you have been conditioned into. The truth is that we can directly transform the sun's energy: that is how your body produces vitamin D.  You directly experience warmth from the sun too.  Have you ever stopped to think that the countries with the most sun use the least sun-block and suffer the lowest skin cancer? Perhaps it is not the sun that is causing skin cancer after all, but you have been convinced to think that by the box you are trapped in - the very same box that profits from selling sun-block.

If you ask the same question about money that I asked you to raise in the previous post - where does it come from - you will discover the most extraordinary thing: some folk just create it out of thin air.  Now that really is free energy!  Why should it be free for reserve banks and the federal reserve but incur debt for the rest of us?

I doubt you really are war-like by nature, simply angry that you are trapped by the box, which is also responsible for the injustice and abuse from which you suffer.  A war of words is not the scenario that a war-like being finds himself in; rather it is the situation that a chickenhawk excells at.

If you are really concerned about injustice and abuse then why do you insist on perpetuating it by just being into 'free' energy for the money and wealth?

"The box"?!? I have only been conditioned to suppress the physicly violent responce that is socially inappropreate. That is only successful to an extent as WE are warlike and highly defensive. No box here.  You may have been socially conditioned but don't assume that everyone else has been to the same extent. By "nature" we are capable of many things good and bad. history is proof.

Chickenhawk?? Really how is a chickenhawk supposed to wage a war of words? nevermind!

You don't understand injustice or abuse and i hope you never do. But if you must know the money and wealth is to be directed to fight the injustices with top notch legal teams, and deter future abuses.

The "free-energy" thing is the byproduct of resolving the original problem.     

       

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Re: Impact of Free Energy Device on humanity
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2007, 10:14:09 PM »
This seems like important topic.

Please do propose your scenarios.

Will Free Energy Device really bring us all peace or another war?

s.
What I think will happen will be close to what happened to Internet.
At first it was a playground for nerds and not taken seriously. Then suddenly it gained so much power and popularity that nobody could stop or control it.

Same will happen when Free energy becomes avaiable to people at large. People wont need to live  in the noisy, crowded and polluted cities anymore. They settle in the country side and grow their own food in greenhouses heated by free energy. They will drive electric cars that will run for free and will never break, because there would be only an electric motor and 4 wheels in it. They won't have to worry about gaz, electricity and heating bills.


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Re: Impact of Free Energy Device on humanity
« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2007, 10:28:58 PM »
@ring_theory: who is this 'WE' for whom you presume to speak? I already told you about my nature: is is peaceful rather than warlike - I know because I have examined it in depth. If your nature really is warlike then go away and kill some other warlike creature. Then the ratio of peaceful people to warlike beings will improve for the better.

Is it not an injustice that justice should cost so much to procure? How, being part of a system where justice is so difficult to achieve, will demonstrating that fact do anything to deter abusers from abusing? Wouldn't it make more sense to look at how justice could be more easily obtained than to struggle at something you don't love in order to support a system that has not only allowed those abuses to occur but then makes it expensive, stressful and time consuming to address it.

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Re: Impact of Free Energy Device on humanity
« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2007, 12:21:59 AM »
The WE is every human that sucks in air. if you deny it than it is you that are living and thinking within a socio-political  box. with some delusional tendencies NOS. 

"Is it not an injustice that justice should cost so much to procure?" Yes it is. Injustice and abuse are two different issues. Yes it would however that's not the way it works in real life.

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Re: Impact of Free Energy Device on humanity
« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2007, 12:39:03 AM »
ring_cycle, you're nuts.  You don't even know your own nature; how can you know mine? I'll continue this conversation when you understand how the complex equivalence in your first sentence undermines your credibility.

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Re: Impact of Free Energy Device on humanity
« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2007, 01:55:57 AM »
ring_cycle, you're nuts.  You don't even know your own nature; how can you know mine? I'll continue this conversation when you understand how the complex equivalence in your first sentence undermines your credibility.

Ring cycle yes true! Also true I am nutz! However you are also nuts! "You don't even know your own nature; how can you know mine?" I was wondering the same about you? credibility BAH!

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Re: Impact of Free Energy Device on humanity
« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2007, 04:29:54 AM »
One issue with delivering free energy to humanity is that if you choose a large company that has experience with energy provision to manufacture and deliver your product/s, then you are creating a major problem for them. This is because a power company, say one that makes nuclear plants, has made major investments and plans for the future which you are making obsolete. You are essentially throwing their money away. Your free energy device has to be so significant it has to annul any losses they may make on their other investments, and then produce a huge profit for them.

It is better to use a manufacturer that can cope with demand (and expand/outsource) but has not produced power generating devices itself.

There is still a risk that a genuine free energy device causes a massive and catastrophic impact on the stock market. For this reason it is actually better to introduce a device slowly. Don't make a big song and dance about it, just start making and selling the devices.

Word will get out, but just play it down as another alternative energy source like solar or wind power.

 

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