Hi Mark,

You would be more then welcome to attend, we are getting help by others who have watt hour meters for the board. So no need ATM to come and see what can be done any ways, these are trade professional Watt hour meters and can tell you every thing you need to know.

So far AS IS all signs have pointed to it being a mechanical flywheel storage system,  However we are going to do some pulse tests based on Lawrence's advice and others.

Even after every one closes the book on his set up we are still going to do ALT extraction stuff and pulsed duty cycle tests. So at least the board has an R and D tool to play with. If more then interesting results are observed you are more then welcome upon approval from Chas to come in and check for magic hamsters or poor measuring technique.

Have a safe trip mate.

Hi Lawrence,

Personally i would like to thank you and so does the trustees and volunteers at Panacea for your ideas and enthusiasm /support. Patrick Kelly has added your thesis to our on line university, also your page and Chas has been updated with your document. The new site is being uploaded now.

We will be presenting a Full video production of all gravity devices which are currently reported working, Bob mays, Milkovics, and presenting your Gen and thesis with the experimental data we attain at Chas's test.

We will also be getting faculties and government to go on record stating they have evaluated this research.

We will also be presenting this along with our water fuel cell and neon switcher to the public in order to attain support for all open sourced engineers and work towards getting a RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT CENTER.


Check got it Lawrence, will do those tests for you.

The video will take time to edit, how ever we will be posting the pulse RV tests parts here exclusive for Stefan, so you guys don't have to wait  wish us luck Guys, plenty more to come.

@ Gravitar

Your design for the multiple-wheel device, concerning the ratios of the wheels::

the ratio of the wheels are not going to spin at the same rate at any ratio. the problem here is that for them to gear off each other either from the inside diameter or the outside diameter, the same degree of each wheel must pass each other at the same rate.  if they are not the same size this causes a problem with surface distances, thus the spin rate will always be different.

Guys Chas's page and all related pages based on our findings SO FAR has been updated.
http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/ChasCampbell.htm

Panacea has since investigated and found that Chas's current designs are still at a research and development stage and not able to produce free power until further testing and improvements are done.Panacea does find that Chas's ideas have potential and are worthy of grant support

We will continue to add the Video production after this weekend. Also Lawrence, your info related to the Chas system has been added to his page and yours please check R and D principles.
http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/WangShumHo.htm

This should also silence the old fart above me.

Guys Chas's page and all related pages based on our findings SO FAR has been updated.
http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/ChasCampbell.htm

We will continue to add the Video production after this weekend. Also Lawrence, your info related to the Chas system has been added to his page and yours please check R and D principles.
http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/WangShumHo.htm

This should also silence the old fart above me.

Your ideas of what will "silence" me are very strange.  The way to keep me from commenting is to stop being such a little tyrant and slow down with the exaggerated, misleading and untrue statements you are becoming famous for. 

Personally, [and only because you publicly speculated about what my reaction would be do I offer my opinion here] I found your newly-edited BOCAF pages to be poorly written, rambling, babbling and full of grammatical, factual and spelling errors as well as exaggerations, all quite as usual.  Not to mention a lack of technical substance.

It is nice to see that you finally pulled some of the premature claims of free energy produced by Charles' machine.  On the Wang entries, I think you'd better check with Lawrence again for accuracy.  I believe there are serious discrepancies between what your page states and what Lawrence states regarding Lawrence and Wang's present business/promotional relationship.

It's also interesting to me that you miss no opportunity to hurl vulgar names and insults in my direction.  Nice to know I'm in your thoughts.  Good luck on your visit with Charles and drive safely. 

Humbugger

Well, I did not get the caps I needed to do my RV test again this weekend.  The RV experts/Ash gave me a new valuse to test, but I had to work and make a living and did not have time.  But I will

And I really do wish you guys luck on the tests. 

Let me be the first to tell all when it works, I have no clue, it works, I have one.  Please let me.

Before you judge people here think about the above.  Who here would not want free energy?  You think that includes Humbugger? ME? All reading this? Stefan?  You think Stefan does this for fun?

Again, I have heard/seen of nothing documented here that works.  If there is something that does, please post a link for me as I missed it.  Also, all that I HAVE built has not worked (I promise, I am not running my house here for free, if I was I would probably not be reading here).

Anyway, I still am with Humbugger on this as well.

And I did not know he was an an old fart?  Missed that post too I guess.

Hi mramos!

I'm only 57.  About the "neon" thingy...if your object is to charge batteries using a 90 pound dynamotor setup, I can steer you to a better way.  What Ashtweth, his engineers and The Compilations seem to leave out every time is any indication of what "successful replication" actually means.  I've read and read the materials Ashtweth has recommended.  I've studied at the panacea university.  I have yet to find any information that indicates what to expect in terms of charging batteries with the "neon" thingy.

There have been repeated implications and claims in parenthesis of (self-running) of the RV using the "neon" circuit to charge and then swap batteries.  This appears in the videos, in The Compilations and in many of Ashtweth's posts. 

Nowhere, however, do I see any information about the actual charge rate of any specific battery used with the "neon" circuit.  For a circuit whose purpose it is to charge batteries, you might think that information would be included so you could tell if you had successfully replicated.  The (self-running) claim is repeated over and over and over again, yet we have no data and no demonstration.

I for one will not attempt a replication if there is no indication of what kind of performance to expect when I succeed.  I have suggested to Ashtweth many times that he give some actual data about the charging rate of the battery when using a properly built and adjusted "neon" circuit and specifically whether or not it is anywhere near the rate of discharge of the battery running the RV. 

He never answers; instead claiming that all the information is right there and that I'll have to lay out for the whole setup and build it first to find out for myself.  So it goes with Ashtweth and panacea bocaf.  It isn't very conducive to trust or credibility, especially when repeated legitimate straightforward requests for very germaine and simple information are refused and answered with hostile, vicious attacks and personal insults. 

Good luck on your RV.  For certain types of fixed-load applications well below the nameplate HP rating, it is probably true that the RV can be tuned up to save some juice.  Self-running RV is a pipe dream.


Humbugger

mramos, if you wish for this information i can provide it for you. Enough  information is already provided in the compilations. I am also  in contact with the engineer. Also our tests of his circuit will be conducted this weekend before Chas.

Skeptic attitudes like this will never build and improve the circuit and or verify it, if you feel this old suspicious fart can give you OU this way then perhaps you like him are better off to leave the RV alone and it is not for you.

I do not understand why Ashtweth cannot simply post this highly important and simple information for all to see, after having made so many public claims.  Is there any reasonable evidence and, if so, what, to support the idea that the neon circuit will charge a battery more rapidly than the RV discharges an equivalent battery for its driving energy?  That is the question.   I think the answer is no.  Ashtweth says the answer is yes but will not give any basis for his hope, belief, delusion, conclusion...whatever it is.

I'm asking him to put up or stop making false claims and luring people into spending money, time and emotional investment based on his personal unfounded hopes which he presents as if they were accomplished deeds to be replicated.  He answers by throwing hissy fits and cursing me and insulting me viciously.  Well, folks, I said it before:  Ashtweth, you are hoisting yourself by your own petard.

As far as me personally building anything at the moment, that's not practical.  I have a well-equipped lab that is in storage at the moment due to the fact that I am ill and physically disabled for the medium term which may possibly turn out to be the long or even the total term for me.  I have been building things of my own design and replicating others' designs for 40 years and I miss it rather dearly.


Humbugger


"Hoisted by his own petard"  ~  In older days, when kings and fortified castles and walled cities were the fashion, a soldier was sometimes required to ascend great walls under often vicious attack.  A petard was a very early device similar to a crude hand grenade containing a powder charge and some shrapnel.  One is said to be "hoisted by his own petard" if his own weapon flings him into the air and turns him into a battle casualty, worst of all if it flings him, now unarmed and badly wounded, over the wall and into the waiting hands of the castle's defenders. 

It's commonly used to refer to a person in an argument who destroys his own position or strategy through being overly aggressive or hypocritical and contradicting or confounding himself and making it obvious to all that his position in the argument is untenable.