@hans.

I thought of that a moment ago. Yet we could add a small trap which is "set on" when the ball is lifted, thus securing it in its position.
On the other hand - when carrige moves up the same trap is released.

@Gravitar: this has to be the most genious concept I have seen over here. Thumbs up!
As a Humburger quotes old lad Albert: everything should be made as simple as possible

A Humburger?     Make mine a double bacon with cheese!  Extra Onions.

I believe Albert and I would agree that this particular device of Gravitar's (and a whole bunch of others we see around here) fall into the "somewhat simpler than possible" category.  Could be I'm wrong.

As you can see, I have also adopted a secondary quotation, courtesy of Charles Campbell.  I find it to be an excellent final criterion for verifying every claimed overunity device.  If you have done it right, it will immediately become invisible and escape into an unseen dimension.   

All we're doing here is trying to figure out a shaft or extension cord that can plug in over there and bring energy over here where we can see it, feel it, smell it, taste it and touch it.

Humbugger

G'day all,

There are a lot of people here that would prefer to call him Humburger, it might make him palatable to some :-)

Hans von Lieven

Sorry Hum, couldn't help myself :-)

hey guys I stumbled across this thread a week or so ago.
I has a look at the footage of chas's wheel

I enjoy these type of experiments so i built a computer simulation using 3ds Maxs reator.
I first created a wheel to chas's design with the weight of 2 balls on the out side and and 6 balls on the inside. This number because from what i could see only to ball would ever be on the outside at one time and then six balls would be on the inside wheel.

When i ran the simulation the wheel went no where, it was perfectly balanced just like in srawofni simulation.

So then from what i had seen in the thread i decided to make the outer wheel bigger. I then ran a simulation with 2 balls on the outside and the six balls on the inside and it began to turn up. At first i was like wow that pretty cool but then i realized the this meant it would now take the more balls going down to send 1 ball up. This is because the larger the outer circle the smaller the angle each ball going down will turn the inner wheel. For the wheel to work continuously you would need one ball up for every one ball down. 

So the result you will get is either a balanced wheel or a wheel that eventually ends up with no balls at the top.
That is my findings at the moment. If any one would like to input another method for me to investigate please do so.

One thing that make Chas's wheel seem impressive is the fact it starts turning the second he removes his catch thing. However the wheel is not already loading with balls. If it was it the first ball would just roll in and it should be balanced.

I'm sure all this has been said in one form or another by people in this thread but i spent some time playing with it so i thought id post up my findings. If my test method seems incorrect in some way please make a comment. Some of you might think grumble grumble simulation program but it worked very well and if you did your own test in a real world situation you should get the same result.

Thanks for reading and I'm happy to get involved.

So the result you will get is either a balanced wheel or a wheel that eventually ends up with no balls at the top.
That is my findings at the moment.

Nice post, accurate findings!

Welcome aboard,
Tinu

@Hum - yes that was what I intended to say. btw - sorry if my English is not perfect; I am not a native speaker, and writing these posts a bit in a hurry inbetween my other tasks.

G'day all,

Sorry guys, the Gravitar device does not work as it is, unfortunately. Here is why:

(http://www.keelytech.com/overunity/graveng2.jpg)

When the container on the right hits this position it cannot go further down as all the weight now rests on the pin and there is insufficient power on the right to lower it any further and bring the other side back into play.

Pity, it was such an inspired idea. I guess it's back to the drawing board one more time. :-(

Hans von Lieven

Ahh, but that is why the pulley is attached to a flywheel; to give the entire system just enough "oomph" to get it over that hump.

The upward momentum of the lighter carriage, plus the downward momentum of the heavier carriage, AND the inertia of the flywheel, overcome the sudden loss of weight when the balls in the descending carriage impact the ball displacement rod.