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FreeEnergy

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #690 on: September 10, 2007, 11:29:17 PM »
(http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1513.0;attach=3183;image)

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1513.0.html

did anyone ever look at this? or this thread was going too fast for you guys?

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #691 on: September 10, 2007, 11:31:22 PM »
True, the extra momentum of the dropping ball is not imparted to the wheel, but instead the wheel gets to enjoy the benefit of the ball's weight sooner.

No it does not, like this the mass is moving slower as the wheel when it's put on. A common mistake of skeptics is to simplify a stadium to make it easy to debunk.

If you take the balls out it doesn't work either? lol?

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #692 on: September 10, 2007, 11:53:11 PM »
G'day FreeEnergy and all,

The optimum for a system such as this is to get the ball as quickly as possible to the outside perimeter where it does the most good and keep it there as long as you possibly can.

Your design wastes much of what little energy there is to start with by not using its full potential.

Valiant try though, shows you are thinking and are prepared to have a go, good attributes.

Hans von Lieven

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #693 on: September 11, 2007, 01:02:37 AM »
The ball is NOT waiting - it IS IN THE WHEEL!!!



My mistake on that, but it does not matter.  Even if the ramp is in the wheel, you end up with the same result.  While the ball is sliding down the ramp, the ramp is absorbing some but not all of the weight (not as much as if the ball was teleported into the cup), and also in process braking the fall of the ball.  When the ball does land in the cup, it does not land as hard as it would have had it simply dropped.  In your analagy, it would be like me trying to catch a keg of beer as it rolled down a 30 degree ramp versus trying to catch it dropped from the top of the ramp coming straight down.  The ramp absorbs some of the force, so it is much easier for me to catch it without dying.

It all comes out even in the end.  Teleporting the ball into the cup but doing it earlier equals dropping the ball into a ramp in the wheel and having it exert a partial force on the way down the ramp and the remainder of its force on impact.  I suspect I am not convincing you, but I just cannot explain it any better.

And Gaby, I did not understand what you said.  I know English is not your first language, but all I got was that I oversimplified it and "LOL!"

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #694 on: September 11, 2007, 01:26:25 AM »
"While the ball is sliding down the ramp, the ramp is absorbing some but not all of the weight"

 Why?   If you are on a moving train,  and you were pushed in a cart down the isle, 
gravity is always pulling you down.

 Are you saying that if everyone were in moving carts, the weight would half?

 
 Also, the time it takes for the ball to traverse the slide is very small.   Yet, the
end resulting force blast it delievers at the bottom is much greater.

"it does not land as hard as it would have had it simply dropped"

 Of course.  However, if you look at the setup from the 2d drawing.. there is
no "DROP" happening.   There is a ball rolling gently into a cup.

 A DROP would need some distance to allow gravity to maximize the
pull.   To get full terminal velocity.   There is no such distance.

 However, one could modify the design to cause a more vertical drop,
which might gather more energy.   In one of my pics "forces.jpg"  you
can see how I modified the slope to impact at a straight angle...
expelling more force downwards instead of at a diagonal angle.

 Weather or not you can catch a Keg is not pertinent to the machine ;)  lol

"Teleporting the ball into the cup but doing it earlier equals dropping the ball into a ramp in the wheel "

 Wrong again. You are IMPLYING that you are "Dropping" the ball again,  which you are not
in the 2d drawing.   Always messing the facts up...  ::)

 And because you are not, the energy output with at least a sloped drop WILL result
in GREATER OUTPUT ENERGY.

 

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Playing With Billiard Balls
« Reply #695 on: September 11, 2007, 01:38:35 AM »
Since you all like playing with billiard balls, here's one I came up with a few weeks ago.
I thought of using billiard balls because they are relatively heavy for their size and easy to obtain.
The pulley is a fly wheel to give the system just enough inertia to work properly.
The ramp in the center can either be a see-saw type ramp, OR two stationary ramps that curve around each other (not shown).
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/HollywoodTom/graveng1.jpg)

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #696 on: September 11, 2007, 01:44:43 AM »
Gravitar,  someone beat you to it:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOGHXjG2U8c&mode=related&search=

 Uses a spring like system - and ocean waves to generate power.

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #697 on: September 11, 2007, 01:50:19 AM »
Gravitar,  someone beat you to it:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOGHXjG2U8c&mode=related&search=

 Uses a spring like system - and ocean waves to generate power.


That's pretty cool, but it's got nothing to do with my setup.

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #698 on: September 11, 2007, 02:20:24 AM »
Whoops.  Sorry about that.  Your drawing was a little confusing at first.
Looks interesting. 

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #699 on: September 11, 2007, 02:26:22 AM »
G'day all,

This is a pretty cool idea Gravitar, though I cannot see a flywheel improving performance, I feel it would rather impede, perhaps a pendulum of the correct length (tuned to the frequency of the device) might be more appropriate.

Full marks for originality.

Hans von Lieven

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #700 on: September 11, 2007, 03:33:17 AM »
Guys your gonna see new test concepts on the 15th video, new footage has been done, we have decided we are going to raise 1500$ to help Chas get the proper materials he says should make his wheel turn.
All will be open sourced.

Am enjoying the posting now, would like to start a new updated thread, if some one wants too i think it would be better to start with this when the NEW test data comes in.

Maybe use the info so far on improving his wheel as Improvised Chas wheel idea
the next thread can be the test data and updates? just an idea let me know.

regards
ashtweth

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Wheel Guides For Chas Wheel
« Reply #701 on: September 11, 2007, 06:43:39 AM »
These are two vertical guides that each stand freely on either side of the Chas Wheel. The frame is red, the Chas Wheel is black. The blue are rollers that act as bearings when the Chas Wheel brushes up against it.

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/HollywoodTom/WHEELGUIDES.jpg)

This would help cut down on the oscillations drastically with a minimum of friction.
Stiffening the frame of the wheel itself would be the other thing to do.

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Re: Playing With Billiard Balls
« Reply #702 on: September 11, 2007, 08:24:23 AM »
Since you all like playing with billiard balls, here's one I came up with a few weeks ago.
I thought of using billiard balls because they are relatively heavy for their size and easy to obtain.
The pulley is a fly wheel to give the system just enough inertia to work properly.
The ramp in the center can either be a see-saw type ramp, OR two stationary ramps that curve around each other (not shown).
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b375/HollywoodTom/graveng1.jpg)

@Gravitar

Good Idea   simple to proofe

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #703 on: September 11, 2007, 08:24:39 AM »
Hello All,

Today a ran a computer simulation of the Chas Campbell gravity wheel.
SolidWorks 2007 can simulate gravity on mechanical assemblies and I have used
this package to build and test over 50 similar devices. I have found it to be very reliable
and accurate for this type of testing. The end result was the wheel is neutral with
6 weights left on the inner ? and 2 weights right on the outer ?. It does not turn.
(Inner diameter 1000mm - Outer diameter 2000mm)
Remove weight from either side and it moved as expected.
I'll have to brush up on my maths as I thought this one had a slight chance of working.
Cheers 


srawofni

<<Hi Srawofni,
After countless hours of making drowings there is a gravity design that I came up with. (This was few years back)
But to built this thing it's costly!  Time and money etc.
Now that I see you have the proper understanding and the software to simulate mechanical wheel, would you be willing to simulate my design?

If so  I would be very grateful, please send me short note so I would know where to send the design.
Thanks so much
Mem>>

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #704 on: September 11, 2007, 08:50:36 AM »
@Gravitar: this has to be the most genious concept I have seen over here. Thumbs up!
As a Humburger quotes old lad Albert: everything should be made as simple as possible