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gaby de wilde

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #645 on: September 10, 2007, 01:58:07 AM »
smot:
also you would need to adjust the number of ball catches on the upswing to account for the gain in outer wheel distance.
It will be tricky to tune but it's forgiving as the ball can drop a bit furhter and strike a bit harder. The wheel does need to be really sollid to lead out the pulse I think.

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your spiral ramp?   when would the balls be adding mass to the outer wheel?  we need to increase the time the outer wheel has mass to lift the mass on the upswing.

If you pull mass closer to the axle it will lead out extra momentums.

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maybe we could teleport the balls to the top, skip the inner wheel.. or a static worm hole

A beam can be slided allowing mass to teleport from one end to the other. Then a magnet can push the beam a bit thus teleport the mass to the other end.

Something like that?
Exactly Stefan,

Yyou need an input of energy to make it work, but why do that? Why not use the energy you have to do something with rather than injecting it into a system that at best will only run but not produce work. Where is the sense in that?

It will be an interesting learning process. Are you familiar with the theory of evolution? Some people really believe they can evolve a concept up to a point where it does work. lol This isn't as insane as it sounds, there are way to much people who have claimed to be able to do just that. And non of them was ever granted a good paper.

In reality it's much more important to document your errors as it is to document your victories. Because sooner or later you will end up repeating the same mistake perpetually.
Sorry Tinu,

We still haven't discussed the Chas Campbell device, only the gravity wheel. In case you have forgotten I post again the diagram given to me by Patrick Kelly from Panacea.

Any comments on this????

(http://www.keelytech.com/overunity/chascampbell.bmp)

Hans von Lieven

lol! that's an easy one.
comments? yes, one, for the inventor: make it work first...
It is interesting to entertain the weirdness of this machine and explore it's variations. You have a virtual reality 3D engine in your head. You can make it how ever you like.

Now you picture a room with each and every overunity machine using balls and wheels and you start ripping parts off them and sticking them in all the wrong places.

In my head Chas second device ended up a 1000 KG concrete flywheel cast in a ditch with it's axle fixed onto a generator. Then use the slippery belt stuffs to make it go. You can drive your car on top and give it a good whirl. You think your little coffee maker is going to stop that mass?

I'm not going to do the math. *grin*

I already know concrete is cheaper as batteries. I'm not fooled  :D

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #646 on: September 10, 2007, 02:04:30 AM »
G'day rMuD,

Ever heard of Cavorite??  That is the shot here to make this thing work. :-)

Hans von Lieven

But I heard its almost as expensive as unobtainium.  Glad I kept all my 1943 copper cents.  Maybe I can trade them in for some cavorite somewhere.

Humbugger

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #647 on: September 10, 2007, 02:10:57 AM »
smot:

Now you picture a room with each and every overunity machine using balls and wheels and you start ripping parts off them and sticking them in all the wrong places.

In my head Chas second device ended up a 1000 KG concrete flywheel cast in a ditch with it's axle fixed onto a generator. Then use the slippery belt stuffs to make it go. You can drive your car on top and give it a good whirl. You think your little coffee maker is going to stop that mass?

I'm not going to do the math. *grin*

I already know concrete is cheaper as batteries. I'm not fooled  :D

Gaby...and I thought you were just another knucklehead...this is masterfully brilliant.  For this, I am going to give you my real photograph and email address:

lightninhopkins@heaven.org
« Last Edit: September 10, 2007, 04:51:20 AM by Humbugger »

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #648 on: September 10, 2007, 02:20:01 AM »
I was just viewing chas original video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9Y8DBXJTt8&NR=1

He has great ideas but they are not finished humpy.

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #649 on: September 10, 2007, 02:33:24 AM »
Gaby, you are a genius,

You have just solved the gravity wheel problem. Who would have thought the answer was THAT simple.

USE CATS INSTEAD OF BALLS !!!!

Congratulations, now the ramps can be really steep.

Hans von Lieven

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #650 on: September 10, 2007, 02:33:36 AM »
Post deleted by Babes In Black to save annoying scrolling for those who care to adhere to the topic.  This way, you can go right to Ash's post without ever seeing any distracting pictures of Morgan Fairchild in a nice black evening dress.  We return you now to your regular programming. 

   (the next post is actually pretty darn cool to watch, although not really an energy problem panacea)

I think Ashtweth got the idea to post it subliminally when he saw those gorgeous robust Fairchild curves

In fact, I think that little smiley guy rolling his eyes up here is hoping I'll put her back...sorry smiley guy!
« Last Edit: September 10, 2007, 03:42:46 PM by Humbugger »

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #651 on: September 10, 2007, 03:10:34 AM »
For those who like to stay on topic.. ::).
Stuff given to me by email

check out the attached video.!!!If this doesn't prove that using gravity but also putting a weight into a radius gives you added gains then I give up.The ball has further to travel and yet will increase in speed gaining greater kinetic energy than a normal straight fall

" look at this video of the 2 balls rolling, and she immediately said the rail is not a perfect curve, and the beginning of the semicircle is shaped differently than the other side of the curvature.
Heck,  there is the clue to the bonus energy, , This is the real thing for advancements if you can see it."


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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #652 on: September 10, 2007, 03:12:31 AM »
Stefan

I want to hear how Charles arranges a whole number of ball receptacles at 29 degrees each yet evenly around the wheel. 

I have been accused of inappropriate use of ridicule.  It is only fair that I be shown exactly why the idea of building the wheel with 29 degree increments is not ridiculous. 

Then I will voluntarily ban myself, cut off both my hands, pour the remainder of the Glen Livet into my eyes and light it on fire.  I promise.  And swallow the pill Hans is supposed to be keeping.

Humbugger

Hum
you still don?t understand...
probably you missed the physics lesson where the torque arm
calculations was done...

Of course the wheel has slots every 30 degrees.
Only my right left ball sits at 14.5 degrees above the horizontal plane
4 x distance away.
Very easy to calculate all the torques as I have done.

No more need to ridicule.
Still 3.87 to 3.73 advantage at 14.5 degrees and
when the red ball has gone down to the horizontal plane,
the advantage rises to 4 to 3.73, so the yellow balls
are lifted faster !



I can do trig and add torque moments.  I made a mistake in thinking you had proposed putting the cups at 29 degree increments because I refused to believe (and still do) that you could possibly still be claiming you had 29 degrees to work with after all that had been said about that matter. 

Indeed, for a 4:1 setup, the exact number of degrees you have with no SMOTs and zero slopes on the ramps (your best case yet unrealizable-in-practice conditions, you have, to four places, 28.9550 degrees, not 29.  You must also include the 1.0450 degrees during which no ball is on the wheel and subtract that appropriately.  That's 1.0450/30 of the time where the machine will want to run backward which equalizes your calculated forward advantage ratio and cancels it.

I apologize for misunderstanding and thinking you would propose putting 29 degree spaced cups on the wheel.  Sometimes I have no sense of what your reality limits are.  When one opens the Pandora's box of rejecting basic laws of physics and thermodynamics, one loses a lot of assumptions that provide a stable common ground for discussion. 

I respect your knowledge and intelligence but I have no predictable sense of your beliefs and which physical laws you respect and accept, since you seem to be "arbitrarily selective" based on the context in that matter.  in your position, I can understand that.  I also get confused when you say things like "my right left ball", as above.

I'll try harder to refrain from outright ridicule.  It does give the impression of pompous arrogance.  Sorry.

Humbugger

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #653 on: September 10, 2007, 03:25:40 AM »
G'day rMuD,

Ever heard of Cavorite??  That is the shot here to make this thing work. :-)

Hans von Lieven

I hear White Powder Gold will work too  :)

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #654 on: September 10, 2007, 03:33:23 AM »
For those who like to stay on topic.. ::).
Stuff given to me by email

check out the attached video.!!!If this doesn't prove that using gravity but also putting a weight into a radius gives you added gains then I give up.The ball has further to travel and yet will increase in speed gaining greater kinetic energy than a normal straight fall

" look at this video of the 2 balls rolling, and she immediately said the rail is not a perfect curve, and the beginning of the semicircle is shaped differently than the other side of the curvature.
Heck,  there is the clue to the bonus energy, , This is the real thing for advancements if you can see it."



impressive, I was almost fooled by it
I see that the stop at the end of the ramp is of the same height
but the last frame shows the near ball lower on the track to the back stop
though the track appears to be at the same height at the end.. the track is wider giving the extra downward force

I completely recant what I said, I said things before I confirmed them, that video is absolutely true and would happen
« Last Edit: September 10, 2007, 05:28:20 AM by rMuD »

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #655 on: September 10, 2007, 03:39:55 AM »

In my head Chas second device ended up a 1000 KG concrete flywheel cast in a ditch with it's axle fixed onto a generator. Then use the slippery belt stuffs to make it go. You can drive your car on top and give it a good whirl. You think your little coffee maker is going to stop that mass?

I'm not going to do the math. *grin*

I already know concrete is cheaper as batteries. I'm not fooled  :D

oh they are much heavier than that.. we wanted to put a  600KVA unit in the basement of the building, the elevators couldn't handle the discs individually that made up the 3 meter tall stack of them, we were going to have to dig a hole and cut a hole in the side of the building to put them in.. decided to scrap the project.

Concrete my god that would be a nightmare to balance..  1000KG

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #656 on: September 10, 2007, 03:48:25 AM »
For those who like to stay on topic.. ::).
Stuff given to me by email

check out the attached video.!!!If this doesn't prove that using gravity but also putting a weight into a radius gives you added gains then I give up.The ball has further to travel and yet will increase in speed gaining greater kinetic energy than a normal straight fall

" look at this video of the 2 balls rolling, and she immediately said the rail is not a perfect curve, and the beginning of the semicircle is shaped differently than the other side of the curvature.
Heck,  there is the clue to the bonus energy, , This is the real thing for advancements if you can see it."



Hi Ash,
exactly for this video I was looking for.
The 2 balls have the same potential energy at the end, cause,
if you let them to jump from the tracks, they bounced up at the same
distance !
BUT: one ball is much more earlier there than the other.

This can be used to speed up the ball and have it at 4x distance much earlier than
normal flat track rolling.
Thus you would not need to  stop the wheel to wait for the ball to reach the 4x distance.

There is even a better video of these 2 ball experiment, where you can see it much
better, that one ball come to the end much faster...
Thanks for finding the video.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #657 on: September 10, 2007, 03:49:16 AM »
I don't know if you can tolerate it..  wife already threw me out of the living room...  but watch the MTV Video awards...  one of the companies I sit on the board for are providing the Laser effects for some of the Preformances..  or maybe just Linkin Park near the end, it's live so I don't know exactly where were used yet

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #658 on: September 10, 2007, 03:49:30 AM »
Okay, should I now delete all the offtopic postings and the nice blond bomdshell ?

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #659 on: September 10, 2007, 03:51:37 AM »

In my head Chas second device ended up a 1000 KG concrete flywheel cast in a ditch with it's axle fixed onto a generator. Then use the slippery belt stuffs to make it go. You can drive your car on top and give it a good whirl. You think your little coffee maker is going to stop that mass?

I'm not going to do the math. *grin*

I already know concrete is cheaper as batteries. I'm not fooled  :D

oh they are much heavier than that.. we wanted to put a  600KVA unit in the basement of the building, the elevators couldn't handle the discs individually that made up the 3 meter tall stack of them, we were going to have to dig a hole and cut a hole in the side of the building to put them in.. decided to scrap the project.

Concrete my god that would be a nightmare to balance..  1000KG

Good problem thinking,

Just make it float with it's axle at the height of the bearings.

Bit of wax etc

You can also make 2 of 500 kg on the same axle.

4 of 250 kg etc :-)

Doesn't sound undoable?

Can we fix the generator straight on the axle?