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hartiberlin

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #540 on: September 09, 2007, 04:17:16 PM »
Yes, Humbugger, you are wrong.
If you stop the wheel, when the next ball has come up at the left side,
it has enough time to run out to 4x.
Then always one ball is at the right side and it can then start the wheel again.

As you did not do any torque calculation yet and my 3.9 to 3.6 advantage still stands,
nobody has shown the error yet.

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #541 on: September 09, 2007, 04:24:17 PM »
hi all , first of all please excuse my very bad edit of some one elses pic, but would this work ?.
(http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2487.0;attach=12579)

Can we please have a torque calculation for this too ?
Maybe a few less yellow balls needs to be brought up at the
left side ?
With what gear ratio is the transport chain coupled to the wheel ?
Thanks.

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #542 on: September 09, 2007, 04:25:07 PM »
Yes, Humbugger, you are wrong.
If you stop the wheel, when the next ball has come up at the left side,
it has enough time to run out to 4x.
Then always one ball is at the right side and it can then start the wheel again.

As you did not do any torque calculation yet and my 3.9 to 3.6 advantage still stands,
nobody has shown the error yet.
And to prove your point Stefan, you should do the next logical step; Build the Wheel and show us all how right you are!
Peter

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #543 on: September 09, 2007, 04:26:34 PM »
Stefan...

Forget all about the speed or stopping the wheel to wait for a ball.  I already allowed for light-speed ball travel on the ramps. 

There are physical ball receptacles spaced 30 degrees apart on the wheel.  Whenever the vertical straight-line (chord) linear distance betwen those fixed physical receptacles is larger than the diameter of the center smaller lifting wheel (i.e. above 3.8xxx:1 ratio)...

There will be some period in which there is no ball on the outer wheel!  This is because the lower ball receptacle has dumped its ball onto the lower ramp, but the next receptacle available for picking up a new ball (that we can assume is there waiting)...that empty receptacle has not yet arrived in place to receive a new ball from the upper feed ramp.  So, for a moment, no balls on the outer weel.

As you make the ratio larger, the portion of time there is a ball on the outer wheel gets smaller.  This is because the ramp feed and takeup positions can never be farther apart than the diameter of the center wheel or there would be no slope to induce travel.  Yet the distance between the receptacle cups iof the outer wheel continues to get larger and larger, meaning more empty time.

ONLY CUPS WHICH ARE BELOW THE FEEDING RAMP AND ABOVE THE DUMPING OFF RAMP CAN HAVE A BALL IN THEM.  IF THE DISTANCE BEWEEN CUPS IS BIGGER THAN THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE RAMPS, THERE WILL BE TIMES OF NO BALLS.

This is not wrong.

Get it?  There isn't any point in doing a torque calculation if we cannot agree on the number of balls that will be on the right side, now, is there?

Humbugger
« Last Edit: September 09, 2007, 04:46:47 PM by Humbugger »

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #544 on: September 09, 2007, 04:34:03 PM »
Yes, Humbugger, you are wrong.
If you stop the wheel, when the next ball has come up at the left side,
it has enough time to run out to 4x.
Then always one ball is at the right side and it can then start the wheel again.

As you did not do any torque calculation yet and my 3.9 to 3.6 advantage still stands,
nobody has shown the error yet.
And to prove your point Stefan, you should do the next logical step; Build the Wheel and show us all how right you are!
Peter

Peter,

Please don't leap in and make comments to piss off Stefan right now.  I'm trying very hard to get him to see the point i am making.  Snippy remarks will not help him grasp it.

Humbugger

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #545 on: September 09, 2007, 04:38:51 PM »
Hi Ash,
if you will be at the 15th again at Chas?s house,
then please try to ask him to put all the ball in each holes
and see, if it starts itsself rotating.
Probably it will not do it.

Maybe he has found an effect where:

E kin= 0.5 x m x v^2 is not equal to E pot= m x g x h

So if a mass converts its stored energy due to its height h
and falls and  hits a target,
then maybe it has more energy than E pot = m x g x h
predicts ?
This is probably what user zero has pointed out.

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #546 on: September 09, 2007, 04:52:22 PM »
"Yes, Humbugger, you are wrong.
If you stop the wheel, when the next ball has come up at the left side,
it has enough time to run out to 4x.
Then always one ball is at the right side and it can then start the wheel again."

Bah,  Humbug!

ONLY CUPS WHICH ARE BELOW THE FEEDING RAMP AND ABOVE THE DUMPING OFF RAMP CAN HAVE A BALL IN THEM.  IF THE DISTANCE BEWEEN CUPS IS BIGGER THAN THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE RAMPS, THERE WILL BE TIMES OF NO BALLS.

There will be some period in which there is no ball on the outer wheel!  This is because the lower ball receptacle has dumped its ball onto the lower ramp, but the next receptacle available for picking up a new ball (that we can assume is there waiting)...that empty receptacle has not yet arrived in place to receive a new ball from the upper feed ramp.  So, for a moment, no balls on the outer wheel.

To keep always a ball on the wheel at 4:1, you would need to accellerate the wheel suddenly to infinite speed as soon as the lower ball left the wheel so that the new receptacle would be there to pick up the new ball just as the lower ball left its receptacle.  Forget about the balls on the ramps...assume they are always there waiting.

This is not wrong.  Stefan is simply pretending he doesn't understand.  That is the only possible explanation.  I refuse to believe he is stupid and I know it is correct and I believe I have explained very clearly.

« Last Edit: September 09, 2007, 06:15:44 PM by Humbugger »

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #547 on: September 09, 2007, 05:30:04 PM »
Dear Ash,

I have attached Version 1.5 of the Chas Campbell Gravity Wheel document.  It is modified from the TPU discussion document. 

I included discussions with Chinese Officials from 3 different Cities and their consultants.

I shall modify and create new versions as we learn more.  Hope the existing information is useful to you and Mr. Campbell. 

Regards,

Lawrence Tseung
« Last Edit: September 17, 2007, 10:40:03 AM by ltseung888 »

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #548 on: September 09, 2007, 05:30:53 PM »
Please, before everyone leaps fully back into the land of total speculation and fantasy...

CAN ANYONE TELL ME HOW THERE COULD BE ANY BALLS ON THE "BIGGER" WHEEL?[/b]
« Last Edit: September 09, 2007, 06:05:15 PM by Humbugger »

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #549 on: September 09, 2007, 05:37:35 PM »
What if each ball had metal inside, and there was magnets placed stationary at 9 o'clock pulling the balls more inwards to the centre of hub?
The balls on the Campbell device are inside tubes that has plenty of room to move the balls at least a couple of cm.. maybe enough to make it run... you could also have magnets on the outer perimeter.. pressing the balls outwards.. that maybe could change the balancepoint up to 5 cm...

If the tubes was square instead of round, you would have more 'travel-distance' horisontally...

Just one thought... don't know if this would work..

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #550 on: September 09, 2007, 05:41:18 PM »
Just like this... Red is magnet... of course.. :)

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #551 on: September 09, 2007, 05:59:25 PM »
Okay...I give up.  This is where the laughter breaks out as the arrogant professor tears out his hair and the plotting students roll on the floor at their successful crazy-making.

Stefan obviously is not stupid.  Everyone can clearly see the point I have made is correct.  Stefan pretends not to get it.  Humbugger goes insane being told he is wrong by an authority figure when everyone can plainly see he is right.

LOL  I get the joke.   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D   THIS HAS TO BE A JOKE.

okay, class is dismissed...time for humbugger to go kick the school mascot in the balls and bulldoze some sandcastles at the beach.

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #552 on: September 09, 2007, 06:12:25 PM »

Peter,

Please don't leap in and make comments to piss off Stefan right now.  I'm trying very hard to get him to see the point i am making.  Snippy remarks will not help him grasp it.

Humbugger
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Try to remember where you are. This is an open forum. You have no right to tell me what I can say to Stefan. My comments have nothing to do with you. If you insist on being a dictator you should start a forum where you are the boss and I will stay clear. Until then, mind your manners and save that arrogance for those over whom you have control.
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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #553 on: September 09, 2007, 06:17:39 PM »
@ all:
   Well a good fix for some of the problems would be tubes instead of ramps for the balls to run in. No track hopping. Guy lines on the wheel to tension it to being rigid. Fun part, get the stuff and make one to scale for say a 1/2" ball bearing and see the results of it. If it does not fly, then tinker and see if it can be tweaked so it will. That is the thrill of the chase, no punn intended for shure. Some weight in the wheel to help keep it going, who knows.
   The thing for me is, it has promise. So if it costs me a few bucks, think of the fun along the way. Just put up my new drafting table so guess it gets its first job scaling this thing.

thaelin.   So like GK says, who needs sleep anyhow.

Ash:   Tell chase he is a shaker, a mover etc. He went out and started doing it.  :D

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #554 on: September 09, 2007, 06:21:48 PM »

Peter,

Please don't leap in and make comments to piss off Stefan right now.  I'm trying very hard to get him to see the point i am making.  Snippy remarks will not help him grasp it.

Humbugger
Humbugger
Try to remember where you are. This is an open forum. You have no right to tell me what I can say to Stefan. My comments have nothing to do with you. If you insist on being a dictator you should start a forum where you are the boss and I will stay clear. Until then, mind your manners and save that arrogance for those over whom you have control.
Peter

Yes, I can see your point.  However, do note that my very first word was "Please".  I was not dictating, I was requesting politely.  I apologize for any offense you took.  That was not my intention.

"And to prove your point Stefan, you should do the next logical step; Build the Wheel and show us all how right you are!"

It seemed to me that your remark to Stefan was sarcastic.  I may have misinterpreted that.  Maybe you were actually suggesting that he should prove me wrong by building it.  I don't know.  It would be interesting to know if your remark was intended to be sarcastic.

Thank you.  Humbugger
« Last Edit: September 09, 2007, 07:16:53 PM by Humbugger »