Hi Lawrence and all,
Thank you Lawrence we will be attaching that to our presentation of this system, depsite Chas not have a refined system and or a working system ATM, there are still many themes and benefits we can attain from this whole experience, and that data you provided needs to make it to the light and day so does all the other gravity theorems/devices mentioned so far and the response Chas got. Plus How you and Chas need endorsement and investigation /support.
This is what we will be putting into a presentation i order to help the public and faculties 'catch up'
Our production which will have further testing results (we will still post only the results on the board later)
BTW for tinkers here are some private email is got on the subject.
"Hi Ash,
I do not think this system works. There cannot be a simple thing that
hasn't be thought to before. What does the physics say about it?
Lets approximate - outer ring is 2x bigger than the inner.
Thus to raise the ball up takes 2x times longer, that makes the system
energy balanced.
Momentum x time = energy: down = M x R x t
Momentum x time = energy: up = M x r x 2t = M x R/2 x 2t = M x R x t
Did he show a solid proof that the ball that went down, came up again by
its own momentum without the rotor being touched?
It can only work when there is some rotational gravitational effect or
anomaly.
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H: OU is transformation. Energy must come from somewhere. Gravity is not
an energy. Earth rotational momentum is the energy that can be tapped but
by normal physics it is very tiny (using big and fast gyros)."
Answer
"wrong...
To raise the ball with inner radius takes exactly the same amount of
time than to drop a ball with outer radius as the wheel is uniform and
all parts of the wheel are moving in synchronicity.
Also, he talked about the experiment with ball and aluminium profile:
if you put a profile's one end to ground and lift the other end few
inches and then put the ball on this elevated end, the ball starts to
roll down the slope and accelerate. He said, that at certain distance
the ball has enough energy, that when it's course is directed properly,
it can come up to the initial level again... (or something like that I
understood).
It is actually quite logical:
1. energy required to lift the ball directly up to certain height Ep=m*g*h
2. now we need to calculate the ball's kinetic energy on the slope at
certain distance from the beginning (hmm, need to dig some old physics
book in order to calculate that). The trick is, that the kinetic energy
grows with the square of velocity, so at certain distance from the
slope's beginning the ball's speed should be sufficient and the
Ek=(m*v*v)/2 should overcome the Ep=m*g*h (the square always grows
faster than the simple multiplication) and we can direct the ball
upwards with certain means and voila... Hehe, hopefully I'm not grossly
mistaken here...
Also, if you take into account the law of conservation of momentum,
things might get even more interesting.
An experiment: sit on a rotatable chair, take two beer sixpacks, one to
your each hand and strech/lift the arms to the side so that you are now
holding the sixpacks 90 deg from your body. Let your wife to rotate you
(or get the cair to rotate with your legs), when you keep the sixpacks
at the same position (now you and streched sixpacks are all rotating
with the chair). Now, while rotating, try to pull the sixpacks towards
your body. Uhh, what happens??? Your rotation speeds up considerably...
Now think about the ball, that has come down some slope and has
considerable kinetic energy. It is always said, that the best way to
utilize such energy is to transform it maximally smoothly (a la tesla
turbine with fluids moving in spiral from perimeter to center opening).
Do the same thing with your ball - direct it onto a circular track, that
is built like cone. At the base the radius should be big and when the
track now rises, the radius should also get smaller and smaller all the
time (the change might not be linear...). Now the ball, as it rises on
the track, is further accelerated by this same conservation of momentum
law and should rise more easily...
This is just an idea and needs to be checked out with suitably rigid
tube and nice heavy steel balls."
Answer two
"what you are saying has much merit.
There are more forces and actions going on, where a person needs to look at the full picture.
Not only is there a lever action from the balls pulling the wheel around, BUT these have also gained kinetic energy where if they were to slip off, or I should say be released from the wheel they would fly out with velocity.!
The balls are not just dead weights. There weight is used to cause rotation but at the same time there is energy now stored in there mass from centrifugal force.
So from my perspective, I can see that we use gravity which is an ever increasing acceleration to create work, then at the right time using the energy stored in this mass to bring it back to the beginning of the cycle, all makes sense.
Put it this way.
What goes up must come down. So lets say we drop a ball from 10feet high, well it falls down and then bounces back up say 9feet.
Now think about this, where the ball drops 10feet but we tapped into this to create work, well that's great but don't forget we have also put the ball now into a centrifugal force at the same time.
What I am trying to say is this effect is the same thing where they fling satellites around planets, to gain kinetic energy for greater acceleration.
http://www.astrosociety.org/education/publications/tnl/34/space3.html Maybe my imagination is way out there, but I am able to visualize gravity forces in conjunction with centrifugal forces where it must be possible to use gravity for one part of the cycle but use the generated centrifugal force for the net gains.
I mean if all was perfect and the energy gained as the ball drops was the same energy needed to take it back to the top again was needed,,, hey what about the fact we made this ball fall through a swing so it gained a bonus centrifugal force for free?"