Author Topic: Chas Campbell free power motor (Read 725199 times)

zero · « **Reply #480 on:** September 08, 2007, 04:20:05 AM »

Actually, It does have a slope. Just watch the Vid and you can
see it very clearly. Maybe 30 degrees. However, adding more
slope could increase the power even more.

Here you can see the current setup of a Diag. force on the wheel
from the ball... and my Idea for a slight mod which changes the
force to complete Down Force by use of a slight curve and a
straight path. That should amplify the force even more.

shruggedatlas · « **Reply #481 on:** September 08, 2007, 04:29:11 AM »

After looking at Chas's wheel, it seems no different than:

(http://www.strangehorizons.com/2002/20020819/first.jpg)

or:

(http://www.lightandmatter.com/html_books/2cl/ch01/figs/perpetual-motion-arms.png)

zero · « **Reply #482 on:** September 08, 2007, 04:51:35 AM »

The concept is similar...

Except that your picture does not truely represent the weight path.
Pic shows the path too wide and too circular.

It also does not consider the balls rolling at angles as I posted above.

Humbugger · « **Reply #483 on:** September 08, 2007, 04:52:29 AM »

Deja Vu with a new dress on

Humbugger

rMuD · « **Reply #484 on:** September 08, 2007, 05:22:15 AM »

Quote from: zero on September 08, 2007, 04:20:05 AM

Actually, It does have a slope. Just watch the Vid and you can
see it very clearly. Maybe 30 degrees. However, adding more
slope could increase the power even more.

Here you can see the current setup of a Diag. force on the wheel
from the ball... and my Idea for a slight mod which changes the
force to complete Down Force by use of a slight curve and a
straight path. That should amplify the force even more.

your acceleration is cancelled out with the fact your not putting any work into the machine for the distance it's falling, so your just building potential energy that you'd have if you put the work into the device at the earliest point. Gravity is a constant by dropping it, rolling it, slanting it, whatever.. your not going to gain any extra work into the device.. if this was the case we would of had a "Free" energy device long before Oil or MIB could ever be blamed for supressing,,, we'd have a wheel of sledge hammers in every house.

zero · « **Reply #485 on:** September 08, 2007, 05:51:23 AM »

I dont think you know what your talking about.

The work starts the second that the ball is on the PVC ramp,
as thats when the weight is being transfered.

As a bonus, the ball pics up speed and energy from the slope, and adds
to the work by pushing the wheel when the ball hits the
waiting 'stop'.

The device is traveling a certain rate. Not at true gravity
potential. By adding more gravity energy into the mix, it
adds to the energy of the wheels rotation.

If the wheel was moving at max potential I might agree..
however that wont happen because the ballance will
never be such that will allow that.

So, any additional power will cover any losses that would
prevent continuous revolutions.

Its equivalent to going half speed in a bumper car, and
then someones car (ball) hits you from behind at a much
faster rate of speed. Your car will surge forwards at
a faster pace upon impact energy transfer.

Humbugger · « **Reply #486 on:** September 08, 2007, 05:56:48 AM »

Quote from: rMuD on September 08, 2007, 05:22:15 AM

Quote from: zero on September 08, 2007, 04:20:05 AM
Actually, It does have a slope. Just watch the Vid and you can
see it very clearly. Maybe 30 degrees. However, adding more
slope could increase the power even more.

Here you can see the current setup of a Diag. force on the wheel
from the ball... and my Idea for a slight mod which changes the
force to complete Down Force by use of a slight curve and a
straight path. That should amplify the force even more.

your acceleration is cancelled out with the fact your not putting any work into the machine for the distance it's falling, so your just building potential energy that you'd have if you put the work into the device at the earliest point. Gravity is a constant by dropping it, rolling it, slanting it, whatever.. your not going to gain any extra work into the device.. if this was the case we would of had a "Free" energy device long before Oil or MIB could ever be blamed for supressing,,, we'd have a wheel of sledge hammers in every house.

You mean you ain't got one? I could never sleep without the constant thumping of those basement sledgehammers. So how do you run your clock then?

shruggedatlas · « **Reply #487 on:** September 08, 2007, 05:57:11 AM »

Quote from: zero on September 08, 2007, 05:51:23 AM

The work starts the second that the ball is on the PVC ramp,
as thats when the weight is being transfered.

As a bonus, the ball pics up speed and energy from the slope, and adds
to the work by pushing the wheel when the ball hits the
waiting 'stop'.

But the ball does not push the wheel when it hits the queue. It only impacts the middle apparatus, which does not rotate.

Also, technically, the ball does not do any work while travelling down the ramp, aside from overcoming friction.

zero · « **Reply #488 on:** September 08, 2007, 05:59:34 AM »

After the ball rolls down the ramp, it hits a metal landing which is attached
to the part of the wheel that rotates.

The center part of the wheel that does not move keeps the ball locked
in place. However, the impact does occur at the wheel first.

ashtweth_nihilisti · « **Reply #489 on:** September 08, 2007, 06:05:08 AM »

Good morning and evening guys, great to see the board going hard. I expected by the time i got up this morning you guys would have solved th energy crisis

Okay, Probably better if i get the original measurements/distances on the 15th for you all,

Guys attached is another open sourced R and D Circuit given to us by a good friend of mine for Cha's alternator designed to be run with the RV

" Attached is a simple circuit that will control the generator On or Off, or if you use a clutch you can switch this in or out when the PM is overloaded.
So from Jaycar, just get a 5amp shunt and connect across this a little transformer backwards so the very low voltage is boosted higher so this can drive the transistor.
When the current begins to climb at the PM, this will switch the transistor, which trips the 555ic which has an adjustable timer, that then will activate the relay as to turn off the generator or whatever.
The 9volt battery can be replaced by using a small transformer if you want to power the circuit differently.

This little circuit would also be great for automatically switching off a start cap, or control anything you want if the current consumption begins to get higher than what is required.
Hmmm, with a number of these circuits using just the one shunt, you could have it automatically switch any of the pre-determined run caps so the RV is kept in constant tune whatever the load.
Raivo, should be able to improve this with a programmable chip."

rMuD · « **Reply #490 on:** September 08, 2007, 06:20:18 AM »

Quote from: zero on September 08, 2007, 05:51:23 AM

I dont think you know what your talking about.

The work starts the second that the ball is on the PVC ramp,
as thats when the weight is being transfered.

If it was adding any work to the device, it wouldn't be rolling down the ramp or falling at a faster rate... maybe on a slant it would be 1/2 working 1/2 falling..

hansvonlieven · « **Reply #491 on:** September 08, 2007, 06:23:10 AM »

Precisely Hum,

Isn't that what I have been saying all along??

Quote from: Humbugger on September 08, 2007, 04:14:41 AM

At anything above 3.8763, the lower ball is off the wheel BEFORE the upper ball comes on the wheel!

Humbugger

Hans von Lieven

zero · « **Reply #492 on:** September 08, 2007, 06:33:19 AM »

rmud,

It doesnt matter.

If you roll a bowling ball down a wheelchair ramp while the entire ground sinks slowly into lava...
you are still effecting the ramps decent by the gravity pulling against the ball.

Flat surface or not. Rolling or not. As long as there is contact with the surface,
gravity is pulling it down.

The big difference here, is how you can make the ramp sink into the lava more
quickly, by making the balls path change to a more vertical decent.. and to
use the balls acquired speed... to smash into the ramp much harder.
(by hitting a stop which is connected to the sinking ramp)

Humbugger · « **Reply #493 on:** September 08, 2007, 07:00:23 AM »

Quote from: hansvonlieven on September 08, 2007, 06:23:10 AM

Precisely Hum,

Isn't that what I have been saying all along??

Quote from: Humbugger on September 08, 2007, 04:14:41 AM

At anything above 3.8763, the lower ball is off the wheel BEFORE the upper ball comes on the wheel!

Humbugger

Hans von Lieven

To be honest, I didn't quite understand your approach and I don't recall you quoting the magic 3.8763 number before just now. But I respect your physics knowledge and realize there are twelve ways to state a proof. I'm a more strictly intuitive guy when it comes to mechanical stuff...electronics is my area of most experience...no formal education either! Just 40 years of working with millionaire entrepreneurs and ARPA-funded R&D labs associated with UC Boulder Physics Electro-optics.

Glad our different approaches meet in the middle! I've enjoyed your posts. A good mix of skepticism, tact, knowing when to tread lightly (my weak spot) and of course that underlying inkling that there really is a lot we don't know yet.

I do so respect your knowing that the future worthy developments won't come from putting lipstick on a pig that's been roasted and served up dead a thousand times before. It's rare around here.

I don't think Stefan ever quite got what I was trying to say...maybe he is more likely to listen to your approach. He's a puzzle to me at times.

Today's frenzy the most scientific discussion with the most people at the fastest pace I've been involved in online! Really sort of awkward on an internet forum, but highly enjoyable. I learned how to post a drawing...yeeehaaaa!

Humbugger

hansvonlieven · « **Reply #494 on:** September 08, 2007, 07:13:32 AM »

G'day Hum,

I never quoted the 3.8763 number, I merely stated that there was not enough arc at a distance of 4 to bring the next ball into play.

Same thing though, isn't it?

PS. I enjoy your posts too.

Hans von Lieven

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