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Author Topic: Chas Campbell free power motor  (Read 721702 times)

Humbugger

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #285 on: September 04, 2007, 09:08:21 AM »
"Exactly what is it you think we are claiming on Chas's device?"

Chas's system is critically needed to provide third world countries with clean free power and to advance the mainstream sciences curriculars. Chas's system can provide clean free power.

I have developed a way of taking free energy from the environment, day and night, using a fairly compact and practical device.  We all are familiar with the energy which I am utilising, as it is gravity.  With my device, I input 800 watts of electrical energy and I am able to withdraw nearly three times as much electrical power from it.  Obviously, two thirds of the power output is free for the taking, and I am taking it.

The old saying is that ?the proof of the pudding is in the eating?, so I am demonstrating the practical result by driving electrical devices with a much higher power requirement, from just my 800 watts of input power.  What more can I do than demonstrate clearly that what I am saying is true?  Gentlemen, form your own opinion, but please base it on the factual demonstration which I am showing you.-


These are direct cut/paste quotes from your website taken five minutes ago.  They are what I would call claims. Given the tests and results you yourself reported yesterday, I would say these are false claims.  If you need more examples, just ask.

I am not "an oil man".  I hate those who use their power to suppress truth and progress but worse, I despise charlatans and hypocrites who do the same evil they piously accuse others of.

You may feel free to insult me all you like if it makes you feel better or if you think it proves your case.  I can handle it.  I see you have plenty of practice...http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?p=202405#post202405

See also:  http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/PanaceaUSA.htm

"The main purpose of the Panacea-USA division is to educate the youth in the United States on suppressed  and alternative energies and more importantly have students construct their own  devices based on Chas Campbell free power device.

The first students to build Panaceas proposed devices and the Chas Campbell energy free device will be from the Auburn City School system. The initial class lectures and class construction will be conducted by Dr. Mark Jones, an Auburn Science teacher.

Dr. Jones is also the head of Auburn's Science Olympiad program. His students have won the Alabama Science Olympiad 6 straight years. Once the first device is made, it will be presented to Dr. Steven Taylor and the Auburn University Alternative Energy Program.
 
After this program is completed, once a month, Dr. Jones or Dow Scoggins, former corporate technical instructor and youth motivator, will go to different Auburn City
Schools. Each school will build their own devices.

This project will be an annual event and once the new device is built, the first device will be donated to the low-income homes to help meet their energy needs."


               
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« Last Edit: September 05, 2007, 08:29:23 AM by Humbugger »

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #286 on: September 04, 2007, 09:20:16 AM »
Nice Try Hum,
for your records,

I already stated we published what Chas stated, which is what oyu are quoting, and presented that there is no justification for no investigation and many others

The main purpose of the Panacea-USA division is to educate the youth in the United States on suppressed  and alternative energies [ http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/RandDprinciples.htm]
and more importantly have students construct their own  devices based on Chas Campbell free power device.

>Chas's system is critically needed to provide third world countries with clean free power and to advance the mainstream sciences curriculars. Chas's system can provide clean free power.

His Gravity wheel based on what we have seen plus ideas can still be submitted and justify that.

And still today, all those devices we have  list on his page along with  Chas's wheel, can you prove they don't work, you will get your chance to build , if you don't, build and verify then mate i feel you have allot of insults ahead and or are an oil man im already going to keep my eye on you.,

can you prove Chas's wheel doesnt work after you get the plans?, and that our tests on his Gen/fly wheel are not warranted after we do our tests?

 if not Hum your still out of luck son


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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #287 on: September 04, 2007, 09:26:48 AM »
"Exactly what is it you think we are claiming on Chas's device?"

Chas's system is critically needed to provide third world countries with clean free power and to advance the mainstream sciences curriculars. Chas's system can provide clean free power.

I have developed a way of taking free energy from the environment, day and night, using a fairly compact and practical device.  We all are familiar with the energy which I am utilising, as it is gravity.  With my device, I input 800 watts of electrical energy and I am able to withdraw nearly three times as much electrical power from it.  Obviously, two thirds of the power output is free for the taking, and I am taking it.

The old saying is that ?the proof of the pudding is in the eating?, so I am demonstrating the practical result by driving electrical devices with a much higher power requirement, from just my 800 watts of input power.  What more can I do than demonstrate clearly that what I am saying is true?  Gentlemen, form your own opinion, but please base it on the factual demonstration which I am showing you.-


These are direct cut/paste quotes from your website taken five minutes ago.  They are what I would call claims. Given the tests and results you yourself reported yesterday, I would say these are false claims.  If you need more examples, just ask.

I am not an oil man.  I hate those who use their power to suppress truth and progress. You may feel free to insult me all you like if it makes you feel better or if you think it proves your case.  I can handle it.

Humbugger




That right Hum , thats what Chas stated, as i stated to you earlier we published what he stated, and set out to HELP him

And we are there to investigate it our selfs, whats your point?
Hum, your lucky im not the mod here mate,

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #288 on: September 04, 2007, 09:38:49 AM »
Ash

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we have found his gravity wheel to be fine




So just to confirm.

Are you saying that Chas' gravity wheel  (JUST THE TIMBER WHEEL)  continually turns/rotates of it's own accord ?

If yes!....then I have no other interest in any other part of Chas' contraption other than his gravity wheel.

All this electrical talk is a wast of time at the moment.

Wasting time trying to work out the electrics in Chas' contraption is is confusing IF the timber gravity wheel is the main source of power.


Humbugger

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #289 on: September 04, 2007, 09:41:43 AM »
Well, Ashtweth,

I believe it is a waste of time and effort to teach false beliefs and to replicate non-working devices.  If we train the youth to believe that the answer to the energy problems is to be found in Bessler wheels and magical non-existent "free energy" devices, they will fail to solve the real problems in ways that provide real energy for real tasks.  The thing suppressing Chas' energy device is the fact it does not function.

I have yet to see any evidence that convinces me otherwise, whether from my own tens of thousands of hours of bench work or from the emerging verified work of others.  Writing up wishful deceptions and finding clever ways to yield false test results to make them appear true has been done to death.  It's not the answer.

I'm sorry that my beliefs and the fact that I express them bother you so much.  I suppose you can probably use your vast power to influence Stefan to ban me from the forum.  That would certainly show the world something, wouldn't it!

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« Last Edit: September 05, 2007, 08:36:24 AM by Humbugger »

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #290 on: September 04, 2007, 09:43:44 AM »
Hi sevich, as i know you personally, and you actually build things to verify them  ill send you the direct copy of his gravity wheel instructions the edits are still being done tonight.. We will publish them here, i already posted about his wheel.

Its a shame we have so much crap to sort through thanks to Hum, you may have seen that we stated that his wheel based on what he showed us could rotate just using gravity, the only problem is it wobbles due to it being made of un robust materials and de tunes, how ever you and others could fix this.

Plans and vid is coming




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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #291 on: September 04, 2007, 09:48:14 AM »
Well, Ashtweth,

I believe it is a total waste of time and effort to teach false beliefs and to build known non-working devices.  If we train the youth to believe that the answer to the energy problems is to be found in Bessler wheels and magical non-existent "free energy" devices, they will fail to solve the real problems in real ways that provide real energy for real tasks.

I have yet to see any evidence that convinces me otherwise, whether from my own tens of thousands of hours of bench work or from the emerging verified work of others.  Writing up lies and finding clever ways to yield false test results to make them appear true has been done to death.  It's not the answer.

I'm sorry that my beliefs and the fact that I express them bother you so much.  I suppose you can probably use your power to influence Stefan to ban me from the forum.  That would certainly show the world something, wouldn't it!

Humbugger

No Hum, i would moderate you not ban you, some of the stuff you say is useful, most of it is utter CRAP.

You haven't built and verified any thing so i feel you talking to your self Hum.

I still think your attitude sucks, and i have had to edit and waste a good deal of time here proving this to you. dont expect a direct answer from me in the future, as you have already pissed me off and made me waste time i could be editing the video for the board.

Gentle men , the video wont be ready till prob 2 days now, you can thank Hum for his objective scientific approach, and trying to accuse a non profit org of not helping the whole situation.

there you Go Hum, maybe now you can think about your attitude.







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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #292 on: September 04, 2007, 10:00:05 AM »
"Its a shame we have so much crap to sort through thanks to Hum."

Good night Ashtweth.  I am sorry you feel that way.  I will not post further on this Charles Campbell matter.  You are free once again to weave your tall tales of amazing machines without further burden of critical comment from me.  I give up.

Good luck to you in making good your promises to the children.  You will live in the world which you create.  Go for what you believe in! 

Humbugger


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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #293 on: September 04, 2007, 10:28:36 AM »
@GraViTaR

All that's happening is A and D are turning B and C. But how?


It's a gravity-torque feedback system. The ratios must be exact or it won't work. If it's off just a little, the system will lock up and not run.

The weight of D resting on the inside of A at an off center (approximately 3:30) position, turns A clockwise. The outer surface of A turns B/C counterclockwise by contacting B. C turns D clockwise again which then turns A and the system just feeds back on itself to keep turning.

The contacting surfaces should be alternating metal/rubber/metal/rubber. So A would be solid metal, inside and out. The rim of B would be rubber; the rim of C, metal; and finally, the outer surface of D would be rubber. The slight give in the rubber would give us a small margin for error in the tolerances of the ratios.

A is wide and is a split wheel. It rests on B just enough to make firm contact. B is on both sides of C and contacts both halves of the split A. C is narrow and contacts D through the split down the middle of A. D is a ring that sits freely within A and is not connected to anything. It is wide enough to rest on both halves of the split A at 3:30 and C at 8:00.

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« Reply #294 on: September 04, 2007, 10:40:16 AM »
@Ash: hi ash, don't care about Hum. Relax and do your work. Thanks.

@Hum: "I believe it is a total waste of time and effort"  WHY THEN do you post the most stuff here??? i realy do not understand that!!! Thank you for "giving up" spamming.
« Last Edit: September 04, 2007, 11:07:03 AM by Joh70 »

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« Reply #295 on: September 04, 2007, 11:17:25 AM »
thanx Ash

I'll do my best to replicate Chas' wheel.

I feel a kind of sadness in the air that this perpetual motion mystery might be finally solved at last.......... we all like to be the first ...(DAM)   >:(

IMO I guess once Chas' wheel is figured out, then that will create new avenues and branching out different O/U machines using simillar principles?

who's to know.....wait and see?
 

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« Reply #296 on: September 04, 2007, 03:52:56 PM »
The knowledge that the gravitation field of the earth is a polarized oriented gradient, and that the motions involved in the operation of a properly built wheel are non-linear with respect to that field make a positive outcome (concerning the making of any given good 'Bessler' type wheel) --- obvious. Vortexes would not be possible if this were not true. In interstellar terms as one example, think of all the places that vortexes occur, and you will find them only around gravitational fields. Specifically..only in the gradient areas. (Exception!!:or areas of powerful gradient energy, ie, electrostatic fields, etc. ie, across boundaries which have notable gradients and the function involves fluid dynamics. You then get the resultant vortex spin from the three aspect points of a given fluid field, ie, resultant of the frequential quanta aspects of the given field interactions.)

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« Reply #297 on: September 04, 2007, 03:55:17 PM »
"we all like to be the first"

Yes  :-\ ................... but keep going

1. maybe you will become a successful business man in that field. 8)
2. I suggest, having low energy bills will last longer than a bit honor from the anonymous internet
3. And to be precise: Bessler was the first in 18th Century! And others have done it already (i saw one with my own eyes) and:
4. gravity powered devices are only the start point. Energy densitiy of gravity powered device are relatively low (although a hydrogen-powered car could be recharged with hydrogen produced by gravity-powered devices).

« Last Edit: September 04, 2007, 04:39:03 PM by Joh70 »

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #298 on: September 04, 2007, 04:15:21 PM »
@Ash and @Hum

When it rains, it pours.
OK. Both of you to your rooms.... lol
Actually, a nice spat clears the air doesn't it? Lucky guys.

@Ash

Don't go blaming Hum. He is our resident reality check and it will take lots more than that to get him off this forum.

This is the problem. When you go to do an OU investigation like on Chas' device, you have to go there with a totally objective mind-set.

If you measure voltage and amperage at the PM and the Generator. If it works, it works. And if it doesn't, it doesn't. End of story #1.

In your case, you are talking RV, pulse, now you're talking air-conditioner clutches (do you know the load it will add to the PM - ouch), and the sort. What you are not talking about is the simplest questions of all. So let me put it in the simple and direct questions.

1) Did you measure the voltage and amperage at the PM inlet?
2) If 1 is Yes. What are the values?
3) If 1 is No. Why?

4) Did you measure the voltage and amperage at Generator outlet?
5) If 4 is Yes. What are the values?
6) If 4 is No. Why?

7) If 4 is Yes. Please describe how you took your measurments.

Look, if Chas' device does not produce OU as it is, no modifications, no RV, no pulse, straight loaded, then WE NEED TO KNOW THIS, AS IT IS. End of story.

The rest of the story we can all elect to pursue or not, given the straight answers. No fluff, required. People need to know this in order to take a decision or not on replication, based on facts.

Now if Chas' device does not work as proposed and you have taken it upon yourself to do as much as possible with the RV method to help him "potentially" bring it to OU status, then that's OK. But Cripes, don't beat around the bush because this just pisses people off.

So what we need are the true blue facts, nothing else. YES or NO.

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« Reply #299 on: September 04, 2007, 05:40:19 PM »
@GraViTaR

I know you are seeing it this way but here it is again.

If A and D share the same axle, and B and C share the same axle, then,
all that's happening is A and D are turning B and C.

Now if A is off center to D, then they cannot share the same axle and your picture is wrong. In this case if there is one axle for A and one axle for D, and A is off center to D, and D is required to help turn A, then at one point there will be a drag to equalize the off-center of what is used to turn A using D. This drag will stop the wheel.

@Prophmaji

It's a question of having the wheel turn and using the turning motion as leverage to lift the left side. From 9 to 10 o'clock it is important to push the ball to the right as mush as possible, but not too much to lose height at 1 o'clock. Also at 7 o'clock, the curve starts the motion rightwards before it would do so if it was straight. This advanced ball movement has to be timed in a way that its combined maximum momentum or all moving balls can be attained without creating a drop in the inertia of the wheel. The later would also then be a function of the wheel to ball weight ratio.

In my wheel design, the wheel itself was brought to a professional wheel balancing device that turns the empty wheel a 500 rpm or more to identify the imbalances. These imbalances are then corrected and re-tested until the wheel has a off balance of less than 1 gram. Then you add you other components which are perfectly balanced also. This ensures that the wheel is perfectly balanced and on the off balance of the ball shifting weight can then act upon it. Centuries ago, I don,t think there was any high level balancing in this manner and wheels were made with limited capabilities in precision placement.

Your spoke wheel is probably not balanced also. Then the tubes would  have to be placed at "exactly" the identical 8 positions, and this will be difficult to do. You are better off designing the tubes with identical 90 degree holding rods to then be placed together then added to the wheel as a whole, not individually. Otherwise your balance risks being off. Once you have a perfectly balances wheel, with the tubes, you will see the true motion, or lack of motion that you could not see before because of all the interfering forces, and you can adjust accordingly, but always know that if you move one, you have to move eight.

True Perpetual Wheels are a challenge in that they use no magnetic or other assist. Although one can spend a lifetime working on this, one can spend a lifetime triming a Bonzai Tree. In both cases, you are left with a nice looking structure that you can feel proud off, working or not.