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d3adp00l

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #120 on: August 03, 2007, 07:36:21 AM »
So ash just to clarify, does this thing run on ac and produce dc? or does it run on ac and produce ac?

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #121 on: August 03, 2007, 07:40:15 AM »
Okay just to clarify, Chas runs an 800 watt induciton motor form the 50 hertz AC mains, to this he is driving(via his gravity/flywheels) a 3.5kva alternator, (AC in, and AC out)

So already to get power out of a 3500 watt alternator you need at least 2 HP? maybe more, so already is OU. His motor is aobut 3/4 HP. As we want to silence and educate the skeptics , we opted to go DC in and DC out.

we can produce a DC reading via an inverter, and also rectify the AC into DC at the alternator out put. Simple as saying OU.

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #122 on: August 03, 2007, 07:57:43 AM »
I think simple ac clamp meters would be much much easier. heck just pull a couple watthour meters from a savage yard. But anyway you want to do it, go for it. For ease sake 746 watts=1 hp, soo 800/746= 1.07 or after heat loses 1 hp. 3500 watts (mind you thats only if you are using 3500watts, just turning the alternator takes almost nothing) 3500/746=4.69 hp or 4.5hp after loses. Or a total possible of 450% ou at a maintained max output, must be maintained, not just a momentum storage energy of moving mass. Good luck ash.

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #123 on: August 03, 2007, 08:07:22 AM »
Thanks man, we need that sort of data to put on the video.  Sure i have a fancy digital AC meter which we can compare to the DC readings too :)

At least we know with DC there is no voltage phase angle and power factor stuff ;D

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« Reply #124 on: August 03, 2007, 10:46:32 AM »
"Chas runs an 800 watt induciton motor form the 50 hertz AC mains" Means that, the unit consumes conventional electricity from net to run? If yes, this looks not so elegant to me, although it's possible that it's overunity. An autarc/isolated system which also runs in Africa's desert to serve a water pump, would be better - like a real "bessler wheel" has to be able to do mechanically. What when electricity is shut down?

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« Reply #125 on: August 03, 2007, 12:38:03 PM »
My assumption is he's depositing large ammounts of energy in to a flywheel and then the excess amperage would be coming from slowing down the flywheel. This is why I want the Killawatt meters to be used. So we can track by exact RMS wattage and power factor, and compare ALL input to ALL output. No time sampled multimeter will help disprove my theory. I've already offered to pay for the required meters. Now its just time to sit back and wait for evidence or the complete lack thereof.

I hope you plan to measure ALL the power consumed when spinning up that huge flywheel. How much does that thing weigh I wonder... I bet all the weight is out on the edge too. I just hope you take complete measurements before you claim OU on this device. I see some analog panel meters... I did offer to assist with propper Wh meters, but for some reason his input/output is measured real time samples only.

???

If I spin a 100 kilo flywheel up to 10,000 rpm, then I could shut off the motor and extract quite a lot of power while it slowed down. Flywheels store energy just like a leaky cap. You need to make sure you take a propper measurement of all input and all output collectively! Anything less is inconclusive.

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #126 on: August 03, 2007, 12:42:06 PM »
latest email i got

everything going to plan new devise should be ready for public display very soon thanks Chas.

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #127 on: August 03, 2007, 02:19:49 PM »
Hi
my name is mark,
I am a member of the NEC and have studied, tested and sometimes debunked mag motors.
I live 2 hours from Brisbane and can supply any instruments you need for proper testing.
I work mainly in the hydrogen field overseas, but have some knowledge of magnetic motors.
I feel liberty has a good device but I keep running out of time to meet him in the states.
I am also available to organise a film crew and scientific team or any other assistance you need to validate this technology.
Because of the potential of the the flywheel I feel this test should be measured under some load for some time.
I also feel a dc motor would be ideal as it would assist in the power in, power out equation.
Appart from liberty's electromagnetic device I am only aware of one other truely magnetic motor or device that self runs without any electrical imput. My observations in all of electromagnetic devices I have examined is that they are unable to opperate in a closed loop situation. If they did opperate as claimed then they would be able to do this.
Most pure magnetic motors that have run, fail when load is applied to them.
Sorry about the rave...I do wish Chas all the best and as offered can provide the personel and equipment needed when you are ready to validate.
Mark

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #128 on: August 03, 2007, 03:48:54 PM »
I watch the video about 20 times it's simple as it is, it's like transmition in the car
 
I have fiat with eurodisel multijet engine I made some test I find

3 gear speed 50-60 km/h tork 2800 7l-7.5l/100km
4 gear speed 70-80 km/h tork 2700 5.8l-6.4l/100km
most efficient is in 5 gear with speed of 80km/h tork about 2600 with 4.5l-6l/100km

It's same when u rich this speed 80km the motor need less power to maintain this speed


This wheel look like big transmition to me just he find the right balance 
 

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #129 on: August 04, 2007, 05:40:29 PM »
Hi
my name is mark,
I am a member of the NEC and have studied, tested and sometimes debunked mag motors.
I live 2 hours from Brisbane and can supply any instruments you need for proper testing.
I work mainly in the hydrogen field overseas, but have some knowledge of magnetic motors.
I feel liberty has a good device but I keep running out of time to meet him in the states.
I am also available to organise a film crew and scientific team or any other assistance you need to validate this technology.
Because of the potential of the the flywheel I feel this test should be measured under some load for some time.
I also feel a dc motor would be ideal as it would assist in the power in, power out equation.
Appart from liberty's electromagnetic device I am only aware of one other truely magnetic motor or device that self runs without any electrical imput. My observations in all of electromagnetic devices I have examined is that they are unable to opperate in a closed loop situation. If they did opperate as claimed then they would be able to do this.
Most pure magnetic motors that have run, fail when load is applied to them.
Sorry about the rave...I do wish Chas all the best and as offered can provide the personel and equipment needed when you are ready to validate.
Mark

Mark, do you have a reference, or some description of the other magnetic motor/device you are aware of from your statement above:

"Appart from liberty's electromagnetic device I am only aware of one other truely magnetic motor or device that self runs without any electrical imput"

Thanks.

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #130 on: August 09, 2007, 01:34:31 PM »
I m sceptic about this any news about Chas Campbell
on the clip ,, Gift to the world,, I don't know what is he waiting

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #131 on: August 11, 2007, 11:56:21 PM »
Hi to all,

When I first saw Chas Champell setup I remembered Don Martin's setup.
Don Martin (5 years ago or so) drived also a higher rated alternator with a lower rated motor, he also made rotating faster the generator than the motor: the motor drive a motorbike wheel and that wheel moved a much smaller  concrete wheel which drived the generator.

Perhaps they have something in common.

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #132 on: August 12, 2007, 12:14:02 AM »

Appart from liberty's electromagnetic device I am only aware of one other truely magnetic motor or device that self runs without any electrical imput.

Mark


Mark, do you have a reference, or some description of the other magnetic motor/device you are aware of from your statement above:


Mark

I was long searching (and experimenting) for a truly magnetic motor but I could not find a functional one.

It doesn?t make much difference to me if it fails or not when under a load. A device that overcomes its own friction is more than sufficient to make a point about magnets. As far as I know, none is working, that?s why I?d very much appreciate your input on this.

Many thanks,
Tinu

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #133 on: August 12, 2007, 09:29:40 AM »
Hi to all,

When I first saw Chas Champell setup I remembered Don Martin's setup.
Don Martin (5 years ago or so) drived also a higher rated alternator with a lower rated motor, he also made rotating faster the generator than the motor: the motor drive a motorbike wheel and that wheel moved a much smaller  concrete wheel which drived the generator.

Perhaps they have something in common.

Yes...they do!  It is the ability to delude themselves and others.  Let's be reasonable about this, people!  These are standard motor and generator.  Neither is close to even 100% efficient on its own.  Systems of gears, flywheels, pullies, belts, etc. are never 100% efficient either.  So what in the world makes people believe that, by putting together a number of lossy elements, the system will have suddenly achieved over 100% efficiency? 

Let's get real!  If any one series element or subsystem in this or any proposed OU machine's power train can output more energy than it receives, why would any other elements be needed?  If Charles' magic flywheel was actually adding free torque energy to the system, it would be far more impressive to just watch it spin by itself!  But it won't.  Because it doesn't.

I can understand people being confused and curious when some new magical theory is proposed involving exotic physics speculations and mysterious unseen forces...there is a thick fog to get lost in there.  But the idea that the maximum ratings printed on the nameplates of motors and generators can yield, just by driving a big generator with a small motor, OU...that is pure insanity and...well...really dumb. 

A motor rated 800W maximum and drawing 800W is not going to drive a generator rated 3500W max under full load no matter what kinds of gearing up or down you do between them.  If that were possible, we would be using milliwatt photocells and Radio Shack mini-motors to drive huge multimegawatt generators. 

I lose all respect for the critical thinking ability of people willing to chase these obviously stupid ideas that are so clearly unworkable and that don't even propose any even implausible theory!  There has to be some mystery, at least, for my interest to be tweaked!  The only mysteries with 90% of the schemes proposed on this forum are how anyone could be foolish enough to have even the mildest interest and what form of mental disorder the "inventor" is suffering from! 

I'm shocked that "serious OU experimenters" could be so sincere in their interest for such transparently stupid obviouly unworksble schemes that are based on ignoring common sense and the most fundamental obvious principals of physical reality. 

Next, someone will tell you they have figured out how to tug on their own butt in a way that lifts them into the sky and you'll be getting all excited about it! 

We are trying to find subtle yet earth-shattering exceptions to accepted, never-yet-defied laws of physics!  To extract energy from the seething sub-particle vacuum! 

It is not going to happen by lashing together a couple of store-bought dynamos with fancy-painted belts and pullies!
« Last Edit: August 12, 2007, 01:06:33 PM by Humbugger »

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #134 on: August 12, 2007, 09:43:45 AM »
LOL