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Author Topic: Chas Campbell free power motor  (Read 636165 times)

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #975 on: November 24, 2007, 09:54:58 PM »
I know the lever does not lock. The analogy still stands, I merely illustrated that if the left side does something different to the right side, if reversed, this does not prove violation of Newton's third law.

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« Reply #975 on: November 24, 2007, 09:54:58 PM »

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #976 on: November 24, 2007, 09:56:52 PM »
I know the lever does not lock. The analogy still stands, I merely illustrated that if the left side does something different to the right side, if reversed, this does not prove violation of Newton's third law.

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Like I said, the analogy doesn't stand. Read again what I said.

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #977 on: November 25, 2007, 02:13:27 AM »



If you recall, I just asked what anyone who is optimistic about getting free energy from off-the-shelf motor/generator systems with gears pullies and flywheels might be thinking!  What is the basis, the foundation, the proposed principal, the theory of operation? Linda

 Linda,
 To answer your question, most people don't understand the law, Conservation of Momentum.
 Most attempts fail because they try to violate this law. Quite simply, using a secondary axis allows for another force to act upon a body. There is your basic requirement for a principle that does allow for perpetual behavior.

ps. Happy Holidays everyone
 With only a single axis system, it is bound to its' own dynamic potential. You get out what you put in.
 With a secondary axis, the potential can be increased. Why ? Torque can be generated.
 
 
Secondary axis? I don't see secondary axis in the machine here: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2326.0.html. How does your concept explain why that machine is working if there is no secondary axis?

Also, for machines with secondary axis, can you describe analytically (using equations).what you just explained? Would be interesting to see quantitatively how the potential can be increased with a secondary axis.

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« Reply #977 on: November 25, 2007, 02:13:27 AM »
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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #978 on: November 25, 2007, 02:24:29 AM »
Secondary axis? I don't see secondary axis in the machine here: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2326.0.html. How does your concept explain why that machine is working if there is no secondary axis?


Omnibus, if you think that machine is real, you are a world class sucker.  Though I have to say, if you fell for the "expensife" spinny screw drum, I suppose you will believe anything.

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #979 on: November 25, 2007, 02:28:08 AM »
Secondary axis? I don't see secondary axis in the machine here: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2326.0.html. How does your concept explain why that machine is working if there is no secondary axis?


Omnibus, if you think that machine is real, you are a world class sucker.  Though I have to say, if you fell for the "expensife" spinny screw drum, I suppose you will believe anything.
Aha, so now it's not the secondary axis but that the machine isn't real. Make up your mind first before playing the role of a "skeptic".

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #980 on: November 25, 2007, 02:36:51 AM »
Secondary axis? I don't see secondary axis in the machine here: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2326.0.html. How does your concept explain why that machine is working if there is no secondary axis?


Omnibus, if you think that machine is real, you are a world class sucker.  Though I have to say, if you fell for the "expensife" spinny screw drum, I suppose you will believe anything.
Aha, so now it's not the secondary axis but that the machine isn't real. Make up your mind first before playing the role of a "skeptic".

I think it was P-Motion who brought up the secondary axis.  I think the device is completely bogus.  It is advertised just like every other bogus OU claim out there.

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #981 on: November 25, 2007, 03:03:06 AM »
Secondary axis? I don't see secondary axis in the machine here: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2326.0.html. How does your concept explain why that machine is working if there is no secondary axis?


Omnibus, if you think that machine is real, you are a world class sucker.  Though I have to say, if you fell for the "expensife" spinny screw drum, I suppose you will believe anything.
Aha, so now it's not the secondary axis but that the machine isn't real. Make up your mind first before playing the role of a "skeptic".

I think it was P-Motion who brought up the secondary axis.  I think the device is completely bogus.  It is advertised just like every other bogus OU claim out there.
OK, so now let's wait for P-Motion to lay out the equations which prove his secondary axis point. As for the device being bogus, on what grounds are you pronouncing it as such?

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« Reply #981 on: November 25, 2007, 03:03:06 AM »
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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #982 on: November 25, 2007, 08:49:32 AM »
not available...........This site must be about verification.IF not it is rumour

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #983 on: November 26, 2007, 05:11:13 AM »
OK, so now let's wait for P-Motion to lay out the equations which prove his secondary axis point. As for the device being bogus, on what grounds are you pronouncing it as such?

I have no grounds but the tested principles of physics.

Mr. Omnibus, I respect your intensity, but in your quest for the holy grail of free energy, somewhere along the way you have lost the sense of who should bear the burden of proof in situations like these.  Posting a video is not nearly enough evidence, not by a very long shot.  Power sources are easy to hide in videos.  Posting a video does not reverse the burden of proof onto the skeptics.  Far from it, a video is merely the first tiny step to getting the word out.  Then, the device must be replicated and verified by reputable people or organizations.

So, we are still in the position where we started with regard to the device you just cited, as well as expenzife and even Finsrud for that matter.  We have virtually nothing.  A video is not quite nothing, but it is almost nothing, considering the number of practical jokes on Youtube.  The burden is still on the purported inventors to get their inventions verified.  Until then, this kind of stuff really isn't worth lifting an eyebrow at. 

Back to original topic, the things that the people on this forum have done to replicate the screw drum thingy is more than enough to discredit the whole thing.  These good folks have gone above and beyond what is expected from someone's practical joke, so let's put the screw drum to rest, shall we?

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #983 on: November 26, 2007, 05:11:13 AM »
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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #984 on: November 26, 2007, 05:41:58 AM »
@ Ultilitarian:

I agree 100%, for whatever that is worth.

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #985 on: December 11, 2007, 06:43:17 PM »
Chas, I have had a similar idea based on the same principles as your gravity machine. I am a mechanical engineer working in the solar and energy field. I had designed the machine before I knew of yours and I was surprised how similar it was to yours. The idea of using torque, or as you say leverage, to move an outer wheel while driving an inner wheel to raise the same weight, a ball, using less torque, that in turn moves back out to the outer wheel seems to make sense. As you mention, timing is involved, and I have incorporated a small time of freefall between the exchange of weights so as to not create a balance that could stop the machine. So I just wanted to say thank you for giving me a boost to keep on going with this project knowing that the idea is real and I applaud your efforts in developing this machine to give to the world. Keep up the good work and hopefully those who spend all their energy trying to stop these technologies will finally expend themselves and give in to help others as well, instead of hindering those who are trying to help others. Hopefully you can get someone to help you get a website going or at least get an email address for those of us who would like to support you in your endeavor.

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #986 on: December 11, 2007, 07:43:39 PM »
Seeing that someone has brought this thread up again, has anyone else noticed that Chas Campbell and his devices are no longer mentioned on Panacea. I wonder what happened to Ashtweth's star project.

Didn't work maybe??

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #987 on: December 12, 2007, 08:26:23 PM »
G'day P-Motion and all,

I am not quite certain what you are driving at. Do you refer to a common psychological trait amongst PM researchers or what?

Please elaborate a little on your idea.

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #988 on: December 12, 2007, 08:41:02 PM »
Hans,

        from what i understand of the theory,  its the appeal for PM, or OU, and its infinite possibilities were we able to achieve it.

this may not apply to many of us who are simply researching, or experimenting for a POSSIBILITY of a PM tech.

It would mostly apply to those persons who have deluded themselves into believing that PM DOES in fact exist somewhere out there, and that if they keep trying they WILL succeed.
There are psychological factors involved in this sort of thinking, and there are people like that on this forum, you can read it by the things they say. - in fact i think they are some of the best contributors to the type of research that's being done here, because they start with the assumption that the device will work, then study it to figure out why it doesnt.

completely backwards approach to what many of us do.

Common psychological traits would most likely be along the lines of:::
  a desire for power, a sense of despair towards their position in society,  a general dislike towards inflation and rising energy costs,  and a misconcieved notion about what PM actually IS.

hope this sheds some light on the theory. im not a psychologist, so i cannot diagnose any one particular person, but im sure each of us have encountered someone who could fit this category.
they treat PM as more of a Religion, then an area of scientific study. thats the best way i can put it. I am not convinced that this psychological ailment ONLY applies to PM, i think people could display similar traits towards another concept, or idealism and it would be essentially the same.

in conclusion:
 1) there may be psychological factors influencing PM researchers.

and

 2)  This may not be exclusively related to PM/OU, but rather the person is simply displaying  these traits towards their work, and could do the same towards any other area of knowledge or study.



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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #989 on: December 12, 2007, 10:08:38 PM »
Good analysis Smoky,

You are right, it is observable here in many posts as you pointed out.

This is not exclusive to PM though, the flat earth research society is another good example of the same thing or the attempt to determine the age of the universe using biblical references.

It reminds me of the Arab conqueror, I forget which one, who destroyed whole libraries wherever he went.

His reasoning was that there could be only two types of books, those who said things that contradicted the Koran, in which case they had to be destroyed on the grounds of heresy, and those who agreed with the Koran, in which case they were superfluous and therefore had to be destroyed as well.

There is little new under the sun.

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