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Author Topic: Chas Campbell free power motor  (Read 703070 times)

Offline hartiberlin

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #870 on: September 22, 2007, 11:53:47 AM »
I must agree,
that Omnibus sometimes is using bad words,
but I also understand why he is doing it.

As most people just don?t realize, that the SMOT really works and
is overunity.

How often do we have to explain it again and again ????

There are several videos out there, that show without a doubt,
that the SMOT ball gains energy ba going through the ramp.

There is no point anymore in discussion.
The problem still is to get it used.

Nobody has yet build a longer SMOT ramp of e.g. 1 Meter long and
a bigger height difference, so the energy gain is enough to
loop the ball back to the entrance.

Only Greg Watson and Epitaxyhad been having looped SMOTs,
but as they did build it so small, in scale, the friction influence was
just too big all the time and the ball sticked after a few cycles to the
track, because it was too much accelerated, etc...

The SMOT really needs a big setup with very precise mechanical
building and very precise control of the running ball,
otherwise you will not get it to loop.

But please stop the flamewar and hammering onto Omnibus.

The SMOT principle works.
« Last Edit: September 22, 2007, 05:21:25 PM by hartiberlin »
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Offline hartiberlin

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #871 on: September 22, 2007, 02:22:46 PM »
Hi All,
please stay ontopic,
This is the Chas Campbell thread.
I will delete all flamewar postings and namecalling postings.

Please fight via private email,if you must fight each other.
Thanks.
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Offline Pirate88179

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #872 on: September 22, 2007, 05:00:14 PM »
I agree. Using add-on toolbars can cause a lot of problems with windows xp and i.e. I have had problems with this in the past and deleteing all the toolbar add-ons fixed the problems.  Can someone convert the video and upload it here? Thank you.

Bill
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Offline crazyman

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #873 on: September 23, 2007, 02:13:37 AM »
Of course not. you stupid incompetent moron jerk idiot.  ;D
I hope that answers your question. burk,



Quote from: P-Motion on September 23, 2007, 01:38:10 AM
Omni, one standard in science has always been the repeatability of something.
Is there an independent source that has tried this or sources to validate the claims made ?

« Last Edit: September 23, 2007, 02:38:31 AM by crazyman »
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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #874 on: September 23, 2007, 03:49:59 AM »
posting under a different alias omnibus?

still not game to show your face? it MUST be ugly.

Hans von Lieven
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Offline shruggedatlas

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #875 on: September 23, 2007, 04:32:24 AM »
Quote from: hartiberlin on September 22, 2007, 11:53:47 AM
Nobody has yet build a longer SMOT ramp of e.g. 1 Meter long and
a bigger height difference, so the energy gain is enough to
loop the ball back to the entrance.

I have been thinking about this quite a bit too.  If a ramp is long enough, it could get the ball high enough to make use of the elevated height.  If I get some time and some materials, I want to try this.

What I have seen from videos, however, is when people try to make the ramp too long, the magnets at the base are simply not close enough to get the ball started.

I think the most efficient way to test is to attach magnets to a couple of long sticks and have the ball in a plastic tube.  This way you can easily adjust distance and angle of magnets without having to manually reposition things.  And the tube will help with the ball not falling off the ramp.
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Offline crazyman

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #876 on: September 23, 2007, 05:34:43 AM »
No Han?s I'm just being as colorful for the skeptical side.

I have never seen a SMOT demonstrated that showed more
energy out than put in.

burk,
Quote from: hansvonlieven on September 23, 2007, 03:49:59 AM
posting under a different alias omnibus?

still not game to show your face? it MUST be ugly.

Hans von Lieven
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Offline Pirate88179

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #877 on: September 23, 2007, 06:16:08 AM »
Has anyone tried placing the magnets at a vertical angle as well the angle for the track?  In other words, leaning them back at, say, about 10-20 degrees or so. All of the videos I have seen have them at 90 degrees to the base. I like the idea about the tube. This is so very interesting to me. It seems to me that it would not be that difficult to have a ramp that utilizes gravity to take the ball back around to the "start" position.  If the ball can be made to "go uphill" this should be enough gained height to allow the ball to roll down a curved ramp (C-shaped) back to the start.  I am new to this design of the SMOT but it is fun to think about.

Bill
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Offline sevich

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #878 on: September 23, 2007, 06:28:56 AM »
Quotes from hartiberlin

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I must agree,
that Omnibus sometimes is using bad words,
but I also understand why he is doing it.
Does this imply it's a "free for all" so long as Stefan understands ??? ....now I can proudly tell everyone to FU_ck Off if they doubt I have a working OU flip-flopper wheel ...."YIPPY"!!!!!

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As most people just don?t realize, that the SMOT really works and
is overunity.
Geee....that's news to me! But hey!...I Dare not doubt you!  (i'm not allowed) ;D

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How often do we have to explain it again and again ????
Stefan, (knock knock!! anyone home??) I guess thats your job mate!  why get angry? it's always gonna be! ...hey,  you're even skimming hard cold cash off this forum, so why are you scaring forum members away??? ....who gives a shit?

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There are several videos out there, that show without a doubt
OK then, I'll look for it......if I cain't find it, I'll believe even though I don't see ....hows that for hearsay loyalty?

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There is no point anymore in discussion.
oooops......close call,  I'll keep future discussions to myself.  :'(

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Only Greg Watson and Epitaxyhad been having looped SMOTs,
but as they did build it so small, in scale, the friction influence was
just too big all the time and the ball sticked after a few cycles to the
track, because it was too much accelerated, etc...
DAM !! ....I really thought OU was something that worked a little longer than 20 seconds??? ....O' well, I suppose you could call it  "overunity in spirit"  :-X

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The SMOT really needs a big setup with very precise mechanical
building and very precise control of the running ball,
otherwise you will not get it to loop.
heard you the first time  :D

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But please stop the flamewar and hammering onto Omnibus.
That's right Stefan!!! ......anyone who so much as looks at Omnibus or Ashwerth should be exiled to    http://besslerwheel.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=1&sid=99c96fcc3c3ea21e4ec19e510b36b8e4     untill they've redeemed themselvs..........SHAMEFUL LOT!  >:(

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The SMOT principle works.

Well...as "Boy Georg Kunstler"  would say:

The future has begun

 ;D
« Last Edit: September 23, 2007, 08:14:47 AM by sevich »
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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #879 on: September 23, 2007, 06:33:06 AM »
Quote from: Pirate88179 on September 23, 2007, 06:16:08 AM
If the ball can be made to "go uphill" this should be enough gained height to allow the ball to roll down a curved ramp (C-shaped) back to the start.  I am new to this design of the SMOT but it is fun to think about.
Bill

The problem exhibited so far is that the magnets simply do not want to let the ball go, unless you allow for a significant drop right at the end of the ramp.  And the distance the ball has to drop to get out of the magnetic pull exceeds the vertical distance the ball has travelled, so unfortunately it has been impossible to get the ball back to the starting position.
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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #880 on: September 23, 2007, 06:43:39 AM »
Shruggedatlas:

Ah, mother nature keeping things in balance again....I hate that. Thank you for the explanation.  So, the magnets won't release at the end without gravity.....hmmmm....even velocity won't overcome this? What about, instead of the angle at the end, it curved outward in a semi-parabolic shape? Kind of like  )(  on the curved portion at the end and keeping the angles at the begining.  I am sorry for speculating.  Most would say, "if you think it might work, build it", and they would be right. One of the things I enjoy about this forum is that it saves a lot of us from going down dead end paths that have been attempted before. I wish I had this forum years ago.... ha ha.

Bill
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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #881 on: September 23, 2007, 07:00:15 AM »
Quote from: Pirate88179 on September 23, 2007, 06:43:39 AM
Shruggedatlas:

Ah, mother nature keeping things in balance again....I hate that. Thank you for the explanation.  So, the magnets won't release at the end without gravity.....hmmmm....even velocity won't overcome this? What about, instead of the angle at the end, it curved outward in a semi-parabolic shape? Kind of like  )(  on the curved portion at the end and keeping the angles at the begining.  I am sorry for speculating.  Most would say, "if you think it might work, build it", and they would be right. One of the things I enjoy about this forum is that it saves a lot of us from going down dead end paths that have been attempted before. I wish I had this forum years ago.... ha ha.

Bill

No need to apologize.  It is good to talk about things before building them, so that you can get some advice and save some time beforehand.

As far as your proposal, if you have a ramp at the top, you mitigate the force of gravity and you may not be able to get the ball away from the magnets.  The ball has velocity, but not enough to get away from the magnets unassisted by gravity.  In the video below, someone sets up what is in my opinion the best attempt to make this work perpetually.  They basically take several ramps and make a circle from them.  Still no go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmsu9NbLxGk
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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #882 on: September 23, 2007, 07:13:59 AM »
Shruggedatlas:

Thanks for the reply.  The video was short, but interesting. Obviously many others have been working on this for a while now.  (unlike me for this approach) I like your idea about the rods where you could adjust the angle very slightly and easily. Good idea. It may turn out that to "release" the ball might be an adustment of only a few thousands of an inch. With your idea, this could be tested very accurately.

Bill
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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #883 on: September 23, 2007, 09:21:46 PM »
P-Motion:

I like the idea of simulating mass reduction (or is it just weight reduction?) of the bearing by raising the magnets as the incline increases.  I would think this would have to be done in a precise manner otherwise, the bearing will fly to the closest mag. A lot of good ideas here.

Bill
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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #884 on: September 23, 2007, 09:59:56 PM »
P-Motion:

I agree. I think you are talking about calculating vectors, which, with my weak mathematics background, is beyond me.  There are some very intelligent, and educated, people on here that I am sure could help you figure out how to do that. I also like the idea of varring the power of the magnets as it goes along.  Also, if you had magnets placed over the top of the sphere as you mentioned, toward the end of the track run, to get the sphere to release more easily could be done by possibly just using the magnets on the top near the very end.  Then as soon as the sphere leaves the track, and drops ever so slightly, it might be out of the influence of the top magnets and certainly not attracted by the side magnets as it has already passed them.

Bill
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