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Offline Humbugger

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #135 on: August 12, 2007, 11:40:54 AM »
One of 3 things will and possibly are happening regarding this Chas fella.


a) ......he's spreading disinformation (paid-by/U.S. secret?) there by smearing mud on all that is possibly "free energy" by way of yet another "perpetual motion" fraud ?


b)......he will be succsessful in giving the World his working "free energy" device ?



c)......he has a working free energy prototype but unfortunately necessarily will be liquidated or just simply paid off $$$......as most are!  (beats a coffin anytime)





What about the other obvious possibility? 

d) He is a kind old well-meaning and good-hearted codger suffering from dementia and extreme self-delusion.  The device is not OU or even close, but he has never actually made any energy measurements.  Only brief anecdotal power demonstrations.  He truly thinks it is producing more energy than it consumes, based on purely wishful thinking and flawed, inaccurate non-measurements and hallucinatory observations. 

Sadly, I would say this is by far the most likely of the possibilities.  I suppose we shall know soon if he allows actual measurements to be made.  Let us hope those making the measurements are not subject to skewed observation syndrome or, even worse, the dreaded "operator impedance".  Ashtweth doesn't exactly sound unbiased, somehow!  He's definitely "a believer", I guess.  Hope springs eternal...

Watching the tape, keep the following in mind...

1) He keeps the little fan and light on (maybe 200W total) for a minute or so during the demonstration, then runs drill and saw for maybe 5 seconds.

2) All of this happens well after the system has been running with no load and the magic flywheel is up to speed.

3) The 800w motor will be able draw far over 800w for a few seconds of heavy loading, no problem.

4) The flywheel(s) could easily store enough energy to cover the startup surges of the drill and saw motors and maybe even their entire 5 second running load times.

If we assume there is nothing hidden or fraudulent and that the total power drawn with fan, light bulb, drill and saw all doing work is greater than 800w, then we could only be legitimately impressed if he ran them continuously for a time well beyond the time constant of the flywheel and we also knew for sure that the 800w motor was drawing less than 800w the whole time.

Nothing about the video indicates the slightest of amazing phenomena.  Nothing in the least bit out of the ordinary or remarkable there at all.  Sorry folks!

« Last Edit: August 12, 2007, 01:58:08 PM by Humbugger »

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« Reply #136 on: August 12, 2007, 12:52:59 PM »
Hi Tinu,
I hope to confirm in person shortly the device I mentioned. There are three variations of it at the moment I know that work. However nothing like seeing it in person. The theory behind it stacks up as it has used an approach not used by others.
The other devices I have seen here and elsewhere rely on on of the following three things and in most cases fail to overcome the sticking point.
1. Electromagnetic nulification
2. mechanical movement (IE shifting a staor mag out of the way)
3. Shielding.
the device I will be inspecting soon does none of the baove and has run for many days before being stopped.
The next big test is to see if the magnets lose any energy under load. Thats the real ball braker.
I will keep you informed.
Mark

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« Reply #137 on: August 12, 2007, 12:56:47 PM »
I am amazed over and over again at the circus of folly here.  The measurement techniques being suggested will assuredly provide incorrect data.  The idea of DC measurement on both ends is bogus because it, of necessity, includes the losses of an inverter on the input side and the losses of a rectifier/capacitor on the output side. 

This leaves room for a bunch more endless hemming and hawing if it fails to show OU...blaming it on these factors.  Also, if the system contains any energy storage device (and all rotating or moving masses store energy) then measuring power in and power out proves nothing unless the respective powers are integrated over time...equal time and the complete running time including start-up from totally static zero-energy off resting state and back to fully run down, discharged, stopped state when test is over.  All the energy from start to finish must be accounted for.

Adding more energy storage devices (input inverter with internal caps and a huge output capacitor) only complicates the measuring process, because residual energy stored in these entities must be accounted for also.

Measuring power is not the same thing as measuring energy!  COP or OU is an energy phenomena, not a power phenomena!  I can get tens of thousands of watts out of a capacitor that I only put milliwatts into...anyone can!  Just charge it up slowly and discharge it suddenly!  The only person who seems to understand this here is Dingus Mungus.

There is only one way to accurately measure electrical energy that I know of.  Also, in a time-sense there really is no such thing as DC.  All electrical voltages and currents vary if you look at them over a long enough period.  Especially when starting up motors and any other load that stores energy!

Here is what scientists who really want to know the answers do:

1)  Make sure there is no known stored energy present in the system to be measured before starting up.  This means no kinetics...masses moving, springs compressed, and no electrical...capacitors charged up, charged batteries, etc.

2)  Using actual multiplying/integrating energy meters (a.k.a. multiplying watthour meters) that multiply instantaneous voltage by instantaneous current with a much higher bandwidth than the system's input and output power frequencies (10x minimum, more is better) and then continuously integrate the ExI product over time, accumulating a true powerxtime integral, measure the total input and output energies.  This is the only method that is scientifically accurate because it includes power factor, crest factor, waveshape, transients, distortions and surges and measures real-time instantaneous actual power integrated over time.

3)  Input and output energy measurement integration periods must be simultaneous and begin before the system is initially energized and end only when the system is turned off and returnes to a fully static, discharged state.

Now, with all of that said, I understand that is probably too rigorous for this forum and its members' resources...at least I'm sure that would be everyone's gut answer to what seem like wildly impractical and expensive suggestions from a skeptical armchair smart-ass know-it-all newbie.  Well, it's true I suppose.

However, if I were to add up the value of the man-hours spent on arguing about how best to measure energy COP of a given electrical system, then add in the man-hours spent making and reporting bogus measurements and, worst of all, the man-hours spent by replicators chasing non-existent goals based on bad measurement of the original work, the cost of a truly accurate electrical energy measurement setup would pale in comparison.  Even if the man-hours were counted at $2 per hour!

Sometimes it really seems to me that much more effort is spent obscuring facts and confusing issues here than is spent trying to actually sort the wheat from the chaff.  It seems like, deep inside, even those of you who are the most true believers must have secret fearful doubts that you'd rather not confront, based on the number of ways people here come up with insane delaying tactics, doomed measurement techniques and the philosophy that building and replicating things (always from incomplete information) is the only way to get the first idea whether they will work or not.  It almost seems like people know the whole perpetual motion field is a fraud, but will do anything to prolong even the most unreasonable of hopes.  It's all so much fun!

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« Reply #138 on: August 12, 2007, 01:51:10 PM »
more effort is spent obscuring facts and confusing issues here than is spent trying to actually sort the wheat from the chaff. 

How can you talk of seperation of wheat & chaff when you yourself have no wheat to offer this forum other than your negative chaff (charm)   :D

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« Reply #139 on: August 12, 2007, 02:02:19 PM »
more effort is spent obscuring facts and confusing issues here than is spent trying to actually sort the wheat from the chaff. 

How can you talk of seperation of wheat & chaff when you yourself have no wheat to offer this forum other than your negative chaff (charm)   :D

Like I said...most of you seem to want to find more and more desperate ways to justify your apparent belief that every sincere-sounding claim is pure wheat, no matter the enormous and ever-growing evidence to the contrary that surrounds you.  Go figure!

The blowing away and burning off of the chaff, in all fields of true knowledge, especially science and technology, is the largest contribution to revealing and accessing the wheat! ;)

Isn't the whole purpose of the forum to share knowledge and hopefully figure out some way to build working machines people can get and use for their daily energy needs?  Do you really think the only way to figure out if things will work or not is to build them?  Don't you see that every single one of the thousands of ideas that have been built have not yielded any actual useful energy or replaced one btu of energy from conventional sources? 

In all of recorded history, has that been done even once?  Not that I know of...if you know where I can get one, please tell me.  I'm tired of paying for energy.  The process of elimination, when evolved beyond simply trying everything, is called learning from history and not repeating the same futile mistakes over and over again forever. 

All I'm trying to point out is that these failed approaches, by the thousands, seem to have a lot in common that we might actually learn from.  The hope being that one day we might be able to recognize a bogus idea we have eliminated before and not waste time building and testing and speculating about the same Rube Goldberg contraptions over and over, just because it is thinly disguised as a new idea. 

In science and technologies, we use analogies with abstraction, math and critical thinking to observe and study ideas so that we can decide which ideas are worthy of further experiment and work.  The most valuable asset in the game is being able to quickly recognize the deja vu on a thinly-veiled bad idea and toss it out.  I see very little of that going on here. 

It's all ga ga gung ho believers with zero evidence of anything to believe in and who seem not to have developed or come to value any critical analysis skills.  It's as if thinking about or expressing reasons why something won't work was taboo here!  Even if that something has been shown not to work a dozen or a thousand times before!  It's the precise opposite of developing a knowledge base!  Cannot you people learn to develop any critical thinking skills?  Must you only worship blind physical efforts to build hardware and yet curse all efforts to test ideas by thinking and abstractly comparing and applying well-known simple principals?  It appears not.
« Last Edit: August 12, 2007, 02:37:10 PM by Humbugger »

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #140 on: August 12, 2007, 02:16:21 PM »
See Slide 16 of
http://www.energyfromair.com/beijing/taiwan2a.htm.

See also the post at:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2794.msg44047.html#msg44047

We know that the Chas Campbell Motor is a gravity machine  because we saw and explained something similar at Tsing Hua Unversity in October 2006.  We used the Lee-Tseung theory to explain the source of energy.

Chas Campbell could increase the efficiency via the use of Cylinders instead of the flywheels.

Lawrence Tseung
Discussion of the Chas Campbell machine Leads Out Memories of the Tsing Hua Electricity Magnifier.

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Re: Chas Campbell free power motor
« Reply #141 on: August 12, 2007, 02:49:35 PM »
@Humbugger:
You miss the point.
For instance you can buy a Griggs Hydrosonic pump and it is a confirmed overunity heating system with a COP of 1.5.
You can take a hot shower in the Alabama Fire department for instance, where it is installed and saves them money by heating their water...
Back to Chas:
His device works probably simular to a Bessler Wheel using and converting gravity and centrifugal forces.
 I hope Ashtweth can soon see the machibe in person and can take new videos.

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« Reply #142 on: August 12, 2007, 02:51:37 PM »
Blind belief in unsubstantiated claims and silly theories leads out endless wasted time and effort from naive followers.

A total lack of critical thinking skills mixed with many competing neurotic egos leads out a huge public body of false-knowledge and delusion.

Bad science taught by posing gurus leads out confused believers who will never succeed in accomplishing real progress.

Skepticism leads out critical thinking skills from intelligent beings.

Skepticism leads out anger and hatred from blind believers.

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« Reply #143 on: August 12, 2007, 03:04:37 PM »
LOL! All hail humbugger...
WOW if only someone would have come sooner to warn me!
Now I'm free to watch dancing with the stars like most Americans...

::)

Do you really believe your the first skeptic goon to show up here???

You must be dense... LOL!

There are lots of silly FOS guru's running around here, and their theories are crap, that much I agree with. Overunity on the other hand, has been achieved in over a dozen technologies. All overunity means is more output than user input. We've been over this before and Stephan has also explained it to you... So of course the science community claims there are no overunity devices. Every time a new OU device is discovered, once we understand where the excess FREE energy is coming from, the total FE devices number returns to zero again. Hence we're hunting for CoP>1 or the "holy grail" which is excess energy that can not be explained.

I hope you at least consider doing some experiments if you plan on hanging around for any prolonged ammount of time.

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« Reply #144 on: August 12, 2007, 03:15:23 PM »
@Humbugger:
You miss the point.
For instance you can buy a Griggs Hydrosonic pump and it is a confirmed overunity heating system with a COP of 1.5.
You can take a hot shower in the Alabama Fire department for instance, where it is installed and saves them money by heating their water...
Back to Chas:
His device works probably simular to a Bessler Wheel using and converting gravity and centrifugal forces.
 I hope Ashtweth can soon see the machibe in person and can take new videos.

Stefan,

Show me a Bessler Wheel that spins on its own indefinitely and from which useful energy can be drawn.  The physics of heat pumps are well known and well understood, as is the source of their output energy.  They do not defy any of the basic laws of thermodynamics.

Why would you, who seem like an intelligent man, give the same credence to a Bessler Wheel (every attempt at which has failed to spin on its own or provide useful output) and things like Meheer's motor (which was the most absolutely clear and transparent case of self-delusion due to bad science I've seen here yet) with machines that are well within classic physics, like the heat pump?

Could it be that you encourage every idea equally without applying critical thinking in order to grow a larger and more profitable website?  Is it really thought of as a crime here to be critical of obviously foolish ideas?

I applaud your endeavor and, obviously I find it interesting.  If you are trying to build a knowledge base, however, it would behoove you to encourage an atmosphere of actual scientific approach, including good hard logical intelligent skepticism where it is called for and possibly some effort to help users learn the basics of the electronics and physics laws they are trying so hard to defy.

I don't see how it benefits the effort toward achieving energy revolution by encouraging people to rebuild over and over ideas that have been shown both by scientific analysis and by prior cut and try methods not to work.  I guess, however, if you eliminated all the thinly-disguised variations on ridiculously futile themes, there would not be much left here though, would there?   :-\

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« Reply #145 on: August 12, 2007, 03:22:14 PM »
Humbugger please explain to us how cavitation in refrence to sonochemistry works.
You know, with convential physics...

 ;)
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« Reply #146 on: August 12, 2007, 03:25:34 PM »
LOL! All hail humbugger...
WOW if only someone would have come sooner to warn me!
Now I'm free to watch dancing with the stars like most Americans...

::)

Do you really believe your the first skeptic goon to show up here???

You must be dense... LOL!

There are lots of silly FOS guru's running around here, and their theories are crap, that much I agree with. Overunity on the other hand, has been achieved in over a dozen technologies. All overunity means is more output than user input. We've been over this before and Stephan has also explained it to you... So of course the science community claims there are no overunity devices. Every time a new OU device is discovered, once we understand where the excess FREE energy is coming from, the total FE devices number returns to zero again. Hence we're hunting for CoP>1 or the "holy grail" which is excess energy that can not be explained.

I hope you at least consider doing some experiments if you plan on hanging around for any prolonged ammount of time.

~Dingus Mungus

Please suggest an area you would choose to begin experimenting in.  My expertise is in power and control electronics; 40 years commercial product design and government R&D labs.  I'd like to play with something I have some belief will actually work and which has a well-stated theory of operation behind it.  I have found nothing here so far that excites me enough to start playing with hardware.  Show me the way!

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« Reply #147 on: August 12, 2007, 03:28:11 PM »
Humbugger please explain to us how cavitation in refrence to sonochemistry works.
You know, with convential physics...

 ;)
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I can't, can you?  I have never claimed to be a physicist.  I am, as I said an electronic product design veteran of 40 years.  I am good at spotting BS in that area.  I know it's one of the areas of research involving so-called cold fusion.  There are lots of things I don't know, and I have no problem admitting that freely. 

I guess that's part of what ticks me off so much when people full of BS gather huge followings while speaking pure gibberish and lead the naive experimenters down garden paths to nowhere over and over and over.  I mean, doesn't anyone else here see this recurring pattern?  Shouldn't there be some effort to point out the similarities and pitfalls?  Am I a goon because I'm not a panting naive believer?

People misunderstand my skepticism.  I'm not ripping into the mysterious areas where there are far-out but possible future developments.  I'm bombarding those threads where I find it clear and obvious that the "inventor" is deluding himself and others and clearly using bad math or bad terminology in conjunction with an obviously unworkable idea, yet, amazingly, gathering eager believers and replicators despite it all. 

Mehess was a perfect example.  His whole deal was based on this insane time/energy/power shell game where he had convinced himself that he could get more energy out of a spring than he put into it.  He fooled himself into believing without doing good measurements or good math.  His only stated principal was that his clock mechanism gave him such a long time to gather the rewinding energy that (no matter how tiny a rate of energy recovery he got out of his pendulum/magnet/coil) he would, of course, be able to rewind the spring because he had 31 days to gather the little pulses and only had to spend one big pulse for ten seconds each month! 

He proceeded to announce to the world, without taking the time to do the math or finish building the unit, that he had achieved OU and that it was, using his amazing principal of unwinding a spring real slow and winding it real fast, he had solved the world's energy problems once and for all. 

That was it...no other operating principal...no other stated secret advantage, real or imagined.  He proceeded, measuring his recovered energy in "volts per minute" and making all kinds of obvious thought-blunders right in public.  Everybody encouraged him on and on.  People, including Stefan, egged him on despite the obviousness of his errors.

It's just the kind of thing I couldn't sit there and watch without saying something.
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« Reply #148 on: August 12, 2007, 03:50:50 PM »
Please suggest an area you would choose to begin experimenting in.  My expertise is in power and control electronics; 40 years commercial product design and government R&D labs.  I'd like to play with something I have some belief will actually work and which has a well-stated theory of operation behind it.  I have found nothing here so far that excites me enough to start playing with hardware.  Show me the way!

Hmmmmmmmm... You could be a very useful member than... The trick is knowing we only know what we've actually experimented with the rest is assumed in most cases. My best example of this is that Ohms law only applys to some circuit designs accurately, but in some rare cases old complicated faraday's law is required. This inconsistancy shows me that we don't fully understand electricity. Anyone who has studied TEM vrs LMD wave dynamics would know there is still much to learn. Perhaps you'd be best suited to help us further research Longitudinal or scalar wave research. There is much research already available related to the unconventional effects of these wave types, but not a real conventional understanding nor a vast ammount of public research available. Please look in to it if interested, as I would understand it this is a topic that may change your views on the current subject of debate. Also I would suggest the rotoverter as I plan to begin work on that soon. I have no way to confirm the claims as of yet, but based on the activity surrounding the device I can only assume its given efficiency calculations are mostly legit. I only say mostly, as some of the replicators may not posess the propper measuring equipment, and a few people are claiming OU now.

As for cavitaion effects in sonochemistry question... It was a trick question... No one has propperly explained it yet. If you or I could explain it in full, we would win a nobel prize.

Definitely be a skeptic... Its healthy for the mind. BUT you don't want to be the assumption troll. I've had to change my mind on several devices once I took the time to further analyze them, and sometimes its better to give a guru enough rope to hang themselves by not speaking up untill its blatently obvious. Otherwise people will assume you're only here to distract and flame others work while not doing any of your own.

I hope you consider joining one of the projects here,
~Dingus Mungus

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« Reply #149 on: August 12, 2007, 03:52:45 PM »
Humbugger please explain to us how cavitation in refrence to sonochemistry works.
You know, with convential physics...

 ;)
~Dingus Mungus

I can't, can you?  I have never claimed to be a physicist.  I am, as I said an electronic product design veteran of 40 years.  I am good at spotting BS in that area.  I know it's one of the areas of research involving so-called cold fusion.  There are lots of things I don't know, and I have no problem admitting that freely. 

I guess that's part of what ticks me off so much when people full of BS gather huge followings while speaking pure gibberish and lead the naive experimenters down garden paths to nowhere over and over and over.  I mean, doesn't anyone else here see this recurring pattern?  Shouldn't there be some effort to point out the similarities and pitfalls?  Am I a goon because I'm not a panting naive believer?

LOL! Wow this post changed dramaticly...

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Actually search for "VANDUGEGS" that guy is definitely a scammer... Maybe you can help us chase off the known jokers who are actually asking people for money. When will these dummies learn they need to fund their own "unconventional" research.

 

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