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Author Topic: all you need is spead diode to make tpu bealivet  (Read 17417 times)

Offline Grumpy

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Re: all you need is spead diode to make tpu bealivet
« Reply #15 on: June 07, 2007, 04:41:24 PM »
BUZ11A is a transistor - could use two legs as a diode

Then he talks about making a simple ac to dc converter, wrapping 20 turns around a 6" loop, then pulsing the 20 turns with 250khz "pulse" - not sine wave.

Either this (first image):

or this (second image):

(I would guess he means the first image - as it produces sharp pulses - would need to low capacitance by a large amount to get small RC time constant for sharp pulse.)

This sounds like SM original test where he used a coil wrapped around a lamp wire, pulsed the coil and got kicks in the lamp wire...

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Re: all you need is spead diode to make tpu bealivet
« Reply #16 on: June 07, 2007, 05:39:20 PM »
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HI    IF YOU WANT  TO MAKE THIS   
  YOU GET  SOME  SPEAD DIODE    YOU CAN FIND IN THE  POWER SUPLY IN THE PC COMPUTER   IN THIS BOX  YOU CAN FIND  2 DIODE WHIT  A CASE  LIKE    ,,,   BUZ 11A,,,  OK  THEN YOU  GET  A 20000yf  63v  capacitator    .....  
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Hello All,

My understanding on the above text is this:

"If you want to build this [circuit], use high speed diodes like the ones in a PC power supply.  There are double diodes in one case like a BUZ11A [MOSFET] case [like TO-220]. "

So he refers to the case similarities of a double diode and a BUZ11A power MOSFET (both are in TO-220 case).

Such diodes are of Schottky types (hence are fast switching)  like MBR2060 or MBR20100 from Onsemi or 48CTQ060 from Fairchild, lots of other types exist.

Regarding the rest of the text from our Macedonian friend, I can agree with Grumpy suggestions in  the previous mail.

Of course the best would be if our Macedonian friend WOULD BE WILLING TO DRAW A SIMPLE SCHEMATICS EVEN IN THE WINDOWS built-in PAINT program by HIS HAND SO THAT WE COULD SEE EXACTLY HOW HE THINKS THE CIRCUIT.

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Re: all you need is spead diode to make tpu bealivet
« Reply #17 on: June 07, 2007, 05:50:16 PM »
Reading back over his former posts, it sounds like he is talking about making an induction coil and driving it with 250 khz.  Which will light a light bulb if you use enough current.  This came up yesterday in Otto's thread.

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Re: all you need is spead diode to make tpu bealivet
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Re: all you need is spead diode to make tpu bealivet
« Reply #18 on: June 07, 2007, 08:18:40 PM »
He also inidicated originally to use an 8" coil, now he says 6".

He also said 40 turns for the collector and onto this you wrap 20 turns as primary.

It also seems he is using a transistor (as Grumpy said) using the two legs of the diode side, but he is coupling two together in parrellel and using four pairs of these to make a bridge rectifier.

This is still another guessing game. No data on wire gauge for collector or primary, coil core material, first time I've read about the cap being 63 volts, AC or DC? etc., etc.

There has to be a way for people to understand the minimum communication required to put this type of information out properly. Geez. When it's not SM's stereo parables or Erfinders mystisism, now we have Macedonian tid-bits.

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Re: all you need is spead diode to make tpu bealivet
« Reply #19 on: June 10, 2007, 02:06:52 PM »
HI  OK  I DONT TAPE ENGLIS  BUT  I TAPE MACEDONIAN  LANGUEGE  IF YOU  HAVE PROBLEM  WHIT MY ENGLIS  THEN I WHIL TAPE MACEDONIAN .


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Re: all you need is spead diode to make tpu bealivet
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Re: all you need is spead diode to make tpu bealivet
« Reply #20 on: June 10, 2007, 11:14:17 PM »
Thank you : please post in the best english you can, we will try hard to figure out what your saying . Ignor the pesters. you mean well and keep working . Mike

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Re: all you need is spead diode to make tpu bealivet
« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2007, 03:18:14 AM »
Actually, if we can find an Online macedonian translator, that might just help.  Has anyone tried to translate the above message online?   ???

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Re: all you need is spead diode to make tpu bealivet
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Re: all you need is spead diode to make tpu bealivet
« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2007, 03:30:53 AM »
My translator doesn't recognize it.

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Re: all you need is spead diode to make tpu bealivet
« Reply #23 on: June 11, 2007, 05:05:53 AM »
hmm,
would be nice if someone could translate his words.

8 Watts Input and 50 Watts output sound great !

How did you measure it exactly ?
Thanks.

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Re: all you need is spead diode to make tpu bealivet
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Re: all you need is spead diode to make tpu bealivet
« Reply #24 on: June 11, 2007, 06:48:17 AM »
Geez. When it's not SM's stereo parables or Erfinders mystisism, now we have Macedonian tid-bits.

Who's next?

I like this. This is funny, genuinely funny :). Made me laugh first time i read it and I am still laughing when I read it again  :).

Ok, I'll try to help. I am Macedonian so the translation is not a problem, here it goes:

Start of translation

Hi, Ok I don?t type English but I type Macedonian Language. If you have problem with my English then I will type Macedonian.

So, like this, it?s very simple ............. I want to say that diodes are alike this transistor BUZ11A...... that?s first. Second, if you have one copper wire and if it?s long 1 meter and if you move small magnet close to it you will acquire on the ends of that wire some voltage but that voltage will be small,,,,, but if you wind 1000 meters of copper wire and if you move the same magnet with same velocity around that wire, than you will acquire higher voltage   ??? ????? But you will not obtain Amperes, so what you have to do to obtain Amperes ,,,,, you will take 1000 pieces with length of 1 meter and connect  ??? ?????,,,,,< I live that to you to put some effort to figure it out >>>>>> I have solved this problem, I leave it up to you to figure it out. Than you will find Amperes. Than you will need fast magnetic field but not very strong which will interrupt and enter in <<  collector coil..
Then you will have the TPU but still there is one more problem  ??? .When you will understand that then one other minor problem will emerge. I live that to you. And for the end of this explanation I have to tell you something in order not to lose faith in this. I did this with following characteristics <<<<<<< 8Watt in about 50Watt out electrical energy >>>>? All this what I have said is true
Believe me, when I see video clip or picture that some of you did something with this explanation and if he experiences some problem I will help him. Only if I see that someone really is trying to make it than I will help. Thank you for your time. Thanks to all in this forum.

End of translation

@Bruce
I like the energy that you brought to this forum. I personally think you are right on the money, just have to iron the details along the way.

Godspeed
Macedonian

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Re: all you need is spead diode to make tpu bealivet
« Reply #25 on: June 11, 2007, 07:13:16 AM »
@ Digilab
Thank you very much, both for your kind words and translation.  Perhap you would be kind enough to PM our other Macedonian friend, and see if he could give us a few more clues.  Is he speaking in reference to Otto and Roberto's setup?  Or something different.   What ever you can get from him would be useful.  :)

@ Macedonian friend
Thank you

@ everyone else
I wonder if I am the only one who thinks that what the macedonian tells us is eerily familiar to what SM said.

SM's words:
"If you had a short wire and you moved a magnet across it you
would always have limited potential because the length of wire
was so short.
OK now what if we increase the length of the wire to many miles
in length even with a very weak magnetic field moving across the
wire you still have a much greater potential flow of power
available.
If we put it into a perspective of power per inch it may be easier to
understand.
If you have a small magnetic field moving across a wire twelve
inches long it can generate an electron flow equal to lets say one
millivolt per inch.
If you move the magnet twelve inches at the same speed you get
12 millivolts as you transgress the twelve inches of wire.
Understand that I am trying to convey a principal that you can
understand for use in the future.
So, you have a wire twelve inches long and you can make 12
millivolts moving a magnet across it."

Either this Macedonian is a SM clone, or has read a translated .pdf of SM's posts,
or he may be onto something.  GK, Jason, Otto or Roberto might understand or figure it out after reading the translation.  Perhaps there is more RE coming off of Otto and Roberto's set up then they realize and it is not being picked up???  Unsure.  :-\

Cheers,
Bruce

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Re: all you need is spead diode to make tpu bealivet
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Re: all you need is spead diode to make tpu bealivet
« Reply #26 on: June 11, 2007, 07:24:28 PM »
@DigiLab

Thanks for liking the joke.

Thanks even more for the translation. Please , please, stick around here for a while so we can speak with @Macedonia CD. We are only glad to learn more, but in one way or another, he has to realize that there are still many ways to interpret his total information to start building something.

You know, when I go fishing, I usually like to choose the lake. But right now with the limited information it would be like having to catch a trout in the Atlantic. No fun at all.

Things we need to know;

1) Coil diameter 6" but what is the height?
2) Coil structure material on which wire is wound?
3) Are both coils (secondary 40 turns, primary 20 turns) wound in the same direction and/or is one horizontal and the other vertical?
4) Can he give us the wire sizes.
5) Is he using only two terminals (2 and 3) of the BUZZ11A transistor, and is he using four of these transistors to make a bridge rectifier AC/DC converter?
6) The 250khz, is this a pulse on/off or a frequency?
7) 8 watts input, is this the total watts consumed by the pulser and the primary coil together? If yes, what is the input voltage to the primary?

When a replication is in order, it has to be based on common information so others can confirm the same device, otherwise we will have 20 different systems with some maybe working and others not. This will only create more confusion. The better the infromation to start, the less we will hound @Macedonia CD afterwards.

Thanks again for your kind assistance.

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Re: all you need is spead diode to make tpu bealivet
« Reply #27 on: June 12, 2007, 02:14:15 AM »
Macidonia CD is this the wire your speaking about ? and coil?

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Re: all you need is spead diode to make tpu bealivet
« Reply #28 on: June 12, 2007, 04:41:01 AM »
Hmm...just doing some thinking tonight. 

I have wound Otto's collectors and bought all the control wire I need.  Will finish this tomorrow and post pics on Otto's thread.

Let me tell you what I have been thinking about.  Let us assume for a moment that SM's TPU's collectors were indeed one turn each.   This leaves a huge gap in weight vs. actual wire, as I demonstrated on my thread, doing the reverse engineering based on the weight given of SM's TPU in the engineer's report.

So, what if What both SM and our Macedonian friend are trying to show us, that we need more wire.  But this wire would have been wrapped in the same direction as the collectors, under or over them.  And then perhaps through induction, more amperage is then created. 

We know from Otto, that our TPU has a rotating magnetic field.  This is the "weak" magnetic field referred by SM and the Macedonian.  The Macedonian suggests in his PM to me to wrap 20 turns over the collector.  As Grumpy said, this would indeed suggest induction, but again.....THINK NEW TECH... Perhaps the induction could be a result of the high frequencies. 

You see, some time ago on my thread I mentioned that High frequencies can go right through solid objects.  I do not think anyone has picked up on that.  Perhaps there is much more energy being produced currently in Otto's and Roberto's setup then anyone realizes.

Like I said....Just thinking aloud..  ;)

Thank you for your time,
Bruce

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Re: all you need is spead diode to make tpu bealivet
« Reply #29 on: June 12, 2007, 05:10:52 AM »
Our Macedonian friend suggests using speed diodes in his setup and that it is his key to success.  Not being an electronics guy, I wanted to know what that was exactly.  It is both facinating and fits in with some things that has been discussed for months, as you will see in very real ways.

Definition:  (I exerted this pertinent part.)
It is often said that the Schottky diode is a "majority carrier" semiconductor device. This means that if the semiconductor body is doped N-type, only the N-type carriers (mobile electrons) play a significant role in normal operation of the device. The majority carriers are quickly injected into the conduction band of the metal contact on the other side of the diode to become free moving electrons. Therefore no slow, random recombination of N- and P- type carriers is involved, so that this diode can cease conduction faster than an ordinary PN rectifier diode. This property in turn allows a smaller device area, which also makes for a faster transition. This is another reason why Schottky diodes are useful in switch-mode power converters; the high speed of the diode means that the circuit can operate at frequencies in the range 200 kHz to 2 MHz, allowing the use of small inductors and capacitors with greater efficiency (*Our Macedonian friend is using 250 KHz frequency) than would be possible with other diode types. Small-area Schottky diodes are the heart of RF detectors and mixers, which often operate up to 5 GHz.

Now, what can we do with this information...

Cheers,
Bruce

 

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