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Offline iadcw

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Re: very simple magnet motor
« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2007, 06:24:38 PM »
I have been working on a pmm for a long time and have tried many different models. I have also searched the web for anything concerning PMM and have read everything I could find concerning PMM. Needless to say I think it is possible.

In my search I have yet to find anything similar to this. Every attempt or model or theory I've seen, has been using one magnet to react with another magnet ( be it Electro or Permanent or a combo of the 2).

I would appreciate any info or 'links' to anything similar in design or theory to see if I can learn from another idea in this same vien of thought.

Thanks for any help

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Re: very simple magnet motor
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2007, 12:47:49 AM »
Hi,

Paul Sprain claims 6W output for 3.1W input power... see link:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Paul_Harry_Sprain_magnet_motor

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Re: very simple magnet motor
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2007, 06:05:39 PM »
gyulasun

thanks for the reply but this is not the same as he uses only magnets and has an external power supply.

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Re: very simple magnet motor
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2007, 06:05:39 PM »
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Re: very simple magnet motor
« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2007, 05:56:02 AM »
Links to graphics for iadcw's motor design.

< http://www.kaseybentley.com/mkingtop.jpg >
< http://www.kaseybentley.com/mkingfront.jpg >
< http://www.kaseybentley.com/mkingleft.jpg >

The blue cylinder sticks out an additional ?? from the magnet?s surface and the thinner red cylinder sticks out ? ? from the magnets surface. (Equally on both sides.)  This gives an easy to visualize indicator of the distance between rotor and magnet at all times, particularly in the video below.

< http://www.kaseybentley.com/mkingmockup.mov >

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Re: very simple magnet motor
« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2007, 06:08:10 AM »
Konduct

Thanks for posting those drawings. A good representation of how it looks and how it should work.

I've made several parts and hope to make the rest tommorrow. Will post results when I have some.

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Re: very simple magnet motor
« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2007, 01:58:49 AM »
iacdw,

    I wish you well with your work, as you've selected one of the most difficult projects among free energy researchers. I came up with the idea in 1973 and worked very hard until late 1979 when I discovered that the U.S., Military had already developed permanent magnet motors using highly classified materials called "High Energy Magnetic Monopole Materials".  I was working under contract for them at the time and found the information in the common area of the library where a temp worker had mistakenly filed it. It was classified "Above Top Secret" and after presenting my designs and the documented information to the Energy Commision I was met the following morning be armed military police who proceeded to tell me what could be expected to happen to me and my entire family if I were to ever mention anything about it. Dipole designs are indeed possible but incredibly difficult to come up with anything that works for more than a day or two without the magnets breaking down. Howard Johnson's motors really did work, and were presented on NOVA several times before they were told to pull the episode and get rid of it. Check the spring 1980 issue of Science and Mechanics Illustrated if you can even find it anymore. Good luck and God bless you brother.

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Jim

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Re: very simple magnet motor
« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2007, 05:37:28 AM »
Jim, could you post a simple example of how a magnetic monopole would be used to create energy, a simple to understand schematic or design? Thanks

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Offline BushWacker

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Re: very simple magnet motor
« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2007, 01:23:26 PM »
Hi Phil_M2,

     I will try to sketch something very basic as soon as I have some time to do that however, please understand that I have never had the opertunity to actually build a motor with the monopole materials as the U.S., Fed and/or Military immediately got involved after I had placed an order at the MN Dept., of Energy in the summer of 1979 and raised the price of each individual magnet to "$17,000 USD each. They checked us all out and knew we didn't have that kind of money so that was that.
Therefore any designs remain strictly theoretical until they release these materials to the public. I'm not even supposed to have said a word to anybody but it's a dirty job and someone's got to do it........lol. I think people have the right to know much more than that but I don't want to press my luck too far, ya know?

Cheers,

Jim

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Re: very simple magnet motor
« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2007, 09:43:55 PM »
BushWacker

You said this was one of the most difficult projects. Does that mean the design is difficult?

I, too, would like to see your drawing to see if I'm close. Or maybe I dont want to know how close !

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Re: very simple magnet motor
« Reply #24 on: January 16, 2007, 11:57:44 PM »


iadcw,

     Remember that Phil_M2 and I are talking about monopole designs and that he is asking me to sketch a simple mono-pole configuration/design to give him an idea of how this may differ from a dipole design.  I have vowed to myself never to make things so easy for anyone to simply claim all of my work and idea's again so I haven't kept anything on my PC or on paper since the last time that my house was broken into and all of my intellectual properties were stolen.
People tend to look down on you when you try to tell them that many of the allegedly personal inventions of others were stolen from you years ago, and I can't blame them, I would have my doubts also. That is why it is useless to try and say anything when someone else suddenly comes forward with something that they claim to have invented themselves.  In the case of my permenant magnet motor designs I was not so upset because I was threatened to keep my mouth shut decades ago and so anyone who might come forward showing one of the designs to work was actually doing me and everyone else a huge favor.
Dipole designs however are a thing to perfect because it is so hard to overcome the problems that 2 pole magnets present, and most often you have to deal with all the various changes in field density, field alignment, deterioration of magnetic orientation and gauss levels, etc.., etc.., etc.. . Most people think of a simple dipole magnet as being strictly linear in its field geometry but it is in fact highly non-linear. Many years ago I had thought that if monopolar materials could just be developed that it might make designing a permenant magnet motor/generator a much easier task. Then when I found what was to me the Holy Grail at the time, eg; (high energy magnetic monopole materials) I was so excited that I went straight to the DoE in the state where I lived at the time IE: (Minnesota). Everyone theorized that it had to work including the commissioner himself so he assisted me in ordering the monopole materials right then and there. Powerful people within the U.S., Federal/Military Government who don't want anyone to know that these materials already exist told the manufacturer to simply raise their original price quote from about $50 per magnet to $17,000.00 per magnet knowing that there was absolutely no way that I could afford the cost.
The commissioner was replaced by a woman the very next day after our meeting and we never saw one another or talked to one another again. I was never able to obtain the monopole materials so I was never able to build the monopole motor/generator. I had a helecopter no more than 100 feet above my house every day at 12:00pm sharp for the next several months, my phone and every family member's phone, and many of my friends phones were tapped and they made it very clear and obvious that they were keeping their eye's on me and everyone close to me.
I can only tell you that 6 months later Howard Johnson came forward with several designs that perfectly matched designs that I had sketched out years before and which had been stolen from my home. Howard had apparently worked for the U.S., Military for most of his life and it is my belief that they asked him to do this to try and buffer the situation that had presented itself when I provided the DoD documents to the Energy Commissioner in the previous months. I can't prove that this is in fact the case, and it seems that there seems to be some kind of universal consciousness that allows many people at the same time to have the same or similar thoughts. Either this is true or most of the idea's and/or inventions that I have come up with throughout my life have come into being as either pure coincidence or because they were handed to the person claiming it as their own.
As far as a design for a monopole magnet motor/generator goes, I think that just about anyone could figure one out once they understand the differences between dipole materials and monopole materials. For example: Think of a sawtooth gear with one edge/side of each tooth being a high energy magnetic monopole, then take another much larger sawtooth gear with its teeth/gears located on the inner edge of the circular rim/hoop and place the smaller gear inside the larger gear. The teeth of the gears should not be touching each other and the high energy monopoles would be pushing away from each other with tremendous force if both the inner and outer gear shaped assemblies were assembled using like monopoles. They need not be like monopoles however as opposite charged materials would do essentially the same task except that the gear assemblies would turn towards one another instead of away from each other.
This is one of the simplest ways for me to describe a very basic monopole design however there are many designs that should be possible. Far more in fact than the number of working models that we are limited to with the conventional dipole materials currently available to the general populous.
There are even simpler designs than this according to theoretical assumptions being made by physicists out there in the mainstream scientific community. I can only assume that some will be correct in their theories while others to this day still do not understand the concept of real monopole materials and would be wrong.
I will try to find the time to sketch out a few designs for you and also try to locate more information from conventional scientists and/or physicists who do understand the nature of high energy monopole materials. Unfortunately those scientists who know all there is to know about them and may have even helped to develop the actual materials are not allowed to talk or none of us would have to be here in this forum today.

Best Regards,

Jim

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Re: very simple magnet motor
« Reply #25 on: January 31, 2007, 06:10:28 AM »
This is a nice idea, however I don't think it will work.
I believe the rotor would default to the position depicted here:
(http://www.kaseybentley.com/mkingtop.jpg)
Obviously the magnet prefers the thicker metal, so it will take work to spin the rotor to a thinner part; the same or more work than generated by the initial attraction of the thicker part. Basically, all work done by the magnet has to be undone.

But don't let me discourage you  ;)

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Re: very simple magnet motor
« Reply #26 on: June 03, 2007, 04:51:43 PM »
Hi Iadcw  and Konduct,

Kindly inquire on any progress you may have made since then on the interesting simple magnet motor you both showed drawings and a video animation.

Thanks
Gyula

 

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