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Wankel Magnet Motor
« on: May 30, 2007, 10:15:17 PM »
Hy,

I hope i post this thread on good section,
I discover yet a part of Berden Website i never seen:
http://www.cheniere.org/misc/wankel.htm

he publish this motor schematic:
(it seem like Harry Paul Sprain.)
(http://www.cheniere.org/techpapers/jap/fig8b.jpg)

he said:
"The Magnetic Wankel engine should also be capable of COP >  1.0 and closed-loop self-powering, but apparently it has also been suppressed, as have all Japanese COP > 1.0 EM systems."

What mean "also been suppressed, as have all japanese COP > 1" ?

Here some apparently John Bedini Wankel working Replication:
(http://www.cheniere.org/images/bedwankel04.jpg)
(http://www.cheniere.org/images/bedwankel05.jpg)

Here is an idea of how to "self run" it:

(http://www.syscoil.org/medias/storages/user_3/wankel.jpg)

Here a first id?ea schematic:

(http://www.syscoil.org/medias/storages/user_3/wankel_schematic.jpg)

What do you think motor and my id?a ?
Does some other replications existes ?
Does my idea is an utopia ?

Molux
« Last Edit: May 30, 2007, 11:57:31 PM by molux »

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Wankel Magnet Motor
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Re: Wankel Magnet Motor
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2007, 12:50:49 AM »
Build it!

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Re: Wankel Magnet Motor
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2007, 09:55:15 AM »
ASAP!  :)

and share it here with us, open source tech.

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Re: Wankel Magnet Motor
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2007, 12:37:17 PM »
Hy,

:) Yes i want, i prepare my orders to get the material first for building a Bedini's replications, first and SG and if i'm lucky a Rick like replication.

But a magnet more or not or copper wire add in my orders it great to have all material in one time.

So i want to list the material to try it, but if the schematic or first reflexion are not great, i have to do an other, order, with delivery cost, etc...

For example, in our workgroup, Loubar member say that we have to put a diode per energizer coil for they work propely

here the modified schematic:
(http://www.syscoil.org/medias/storages/user_3/wankel_schematic_v2.jpg)

But i have know id?a for begin to get a range of size of coils or diode or transistor, etc...if you have an (in french =>) "intuition", tell me it please ?

If you have some, or you know other replication on the same process, can you tell me ?

Thanks,
Sorry for my expression please

Molux

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Re: Wankel Magnet Motor
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2007, 03:38:55 PM »
Hy,

I find a video under uTube wich show the principe of Wqnkel Magnetic Motor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1Z1THqv_G4

Enjoy

Molux

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Re: Wankel Magnet Motor
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2007, 04:08:23 PM »

But i have know id?a for begin to get a range of size of coils or diode or transistor, etc...if you have an (in french =>) "intuition", tell me it please ?

Molux
"intuition" works fine in English. Also "idea".
Why not wind your own coils? Do you have a hand drill or an electric
drill with a speed control? As a starting pooint, have a look at this:
http://www.theverylastpageoftheinternet.com/howto/windingcoils.htm

I think this motor of Yasunori Takahashi is very interesting. Anyone who
gave us Betamax video system and neodymium magnets is worth checking
out.
Paul.

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Re: Wankel Magnet Motor
« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2007, 06:12:06 PM »
Hello Paul,

Quote
I think this motor of Yasunori Takahashi is very interesting. Anyone who
gave us Betamax video system and neodymium magnets is worth checking
out.

Thanks for this information, perhaps i have to do what you say, i buy several kind of copper wire and i try some setups.

Thanks for intuition ;).
(a new word it's good for my poor english language)

Molux

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Documented Wankel Magnet Motor
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2007, 04:04:47 PM »
I all,

I have collected some interesting informations about Wankel:


Starts:
Apprently, the first inventor of this kind of moteur is Tekko Kure (Japon), Takahashi continue the work under Wankel Magnetic like Paul Sprain or Tom Bearden

Interesting Address:
http://quanthomme.free.fr/energielibre/energie/MG_ReedWerjefelt2.htm
http://www.cheniere.org/misc/wankel.htm
http://ufoenergy.com/magneticgenerator/news_2007-05-11-17-48-07-327.html
http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Howard_Johnson_Motor/1979Paper
http://www.callowayengines.com


Some Stator Setup idea
(http://www.syscoil.org/medias/storages/user_3/wankel_stator_setup_1.jpg)
(http://www.syscoil.org/medias/storages/user_3/wankel_stator_setup_2.jpg)


Documents
Here some picture came from the document more down
(http://www.syscoil.org/medias/storages/user_3/wankel_regauging.jpg)

(http://www.syscoil.org/medias/storages/user_3/wankel_simulation.jpg)

You can get it here
http://www.arlingtoninstitute.org/library/LODER.PPT
Or mirrored here:
http://www.syscoil.org/medias/storages/user_3/wankel.pps


Replication
Here some replication

Paul Monus R?plication:
(http://www.syscoil.org/medias/storages/user_3/wankel_replication_paul_monus.jpg)

Paul Sprain R?plication:
(http://www.syscoil.org/medias/storages/user_3/wankel_replication_paul_sprain.jpg)

Ted Loder R?plication
(http://www.syscoil.org/medias/storages/user_3/wankel_replication_ted_loder_1.jpg)
(http://www.syscoil.org/medias/storages/user_3/wankel_replication_ted_loder_2.jpg)

John Bedini / Tom Berarden Replication
(http://www.syscoil.org/medias/storages/user_3/wankel_replication_john_bedini.jpg)

David Scott R?plication
A document about magnetic wabkel for cars:
(http://www.syscoil.org/medias/storages/user_3/wankel_art_1.jpg)
(http://www.syscoil.org/medias/storages/user_3/wankel_art_2.jpg)

Vid?os
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1Z1THqv_G4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffFSqsDHWYo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H07vGnZot0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFTlL2sDb-s


I think i'm not alone intersting about this process,  if you have more information or intuition about my suggested modifications, tell me it please

Molux

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Re: Wankel Magnet Motor
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2007, 12:39:44 AM »
Hy all,

I dont have all material a the moment but i quickly build a small replique for basic testing.

(http://www.syscoil.org/medias/storages/user_3/wankel_maquette_01a.jpg)
Assembly replique

(http://www.syscoil.org/medias/storages/user_3/wankel_maquette_01b.jpg)
Disassembled replique, in center of stator, the floppy disk driver "ball bearing"

This replique have so many probl?me, the position of magnets (slop) it important and badly build under my little gate.

Here a simple vid?o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soAsTz-eBfo

I have to make some test before put a coil under that

Molux
« Last Edit: June 05, 2007, 03:32:18 PM by molux »

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Re: Wankel Magnet Motor
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2007, 04:05:15 PM »
Hy all,
I dont have all material a the moment but i quickly build a small replique for basic testing......
Molux
If you are looking for good copper enammelled wire, and can find an old
scrapped microwave oven, open it up. Look for the large transformer,
and cut through the steel very carefuylly with an angle grinder. With
a great deal of difficulty you will get to three or more coils, one thick
copper wire, and the others thinner. (Also two ceramic magnets in
the magnetron unit on the side of the cooking chamber.
Paul.

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Re: Wankel Magnet Motor
« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2007, 06:50:38 PM »
Hy Paul-R

Good suggestion, i want to find a greater rotor magnet position before put a coil under this replication. I have a small TV that just clashing (left the color after 10 min), i think a can get some copper wire too on it. An certainly big capacitor.

Thanks for your interest Paul-R

Molux

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Re: Wankel Magnet Motor
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2007, 02:43:00 PM »
If you are scrapping the TV, you could wrap the tube in a cloth and
then smash the neck with a hammer (to make it safe from implosion).
Then lever off the yoke which is half way along the neck. This will
give you copper wire if you have the patience to unwrap it. Also,
a nice ferrite torroid. (see TPU devices on this site).
Paul.

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Wankel Magnet Motor : Experiment II
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2007, 10:03:57 PM »
Hy,

Thank Paul-R for your recommandations, i going to do it safely, with strong glasses, etc...

I just finish a second experiment under magnetic wankel, i rebuild rotor, i try to reduce the gap and adding some magnets, all the same, all in opposit to the rotor


(http://www.syscoil.org/medias/storages/user_3/wankel_maquette_02a.jpg)
Assembly replication

(http://www.syscoil.org/medias/storages/user_3/wankel_maquette_02b.jpg)
Small Zoom

(http://www.syscoil.org/medias/storages/user_3/wankel_maquette_02d.jpg)
Disassembly the rotor

(http://www.syscoil.org/medias/storages/user_3/wankel_maquette_02c.jpg)
What a great rotor magnet fixation

(http://www.syscoil.org/medias/storages/user_3/wankel_maquette_02g.jpg)
Positon rotor magnet vs stator magnet

It's catastrohpic, they are "dead" point, some equilibrum point or attracting point on my ramp. This 4ths dead point break the rotor speed quickly

(http://www.syscoil.org/medias/storages/user_3/wankel_maquette_02f.jpg)
This is a dead point, when i littly push the rotor + or - 5 mm both side, the rotor magnet dance a little and break on the dead point

(http://www.syscoil.org/medias/storages/user_3/wankel_maquette_02e.jpg)
an other view for the relative placement stator magnet vs rotor magnet


This is the damn demonstration:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4q-pWjb5EQ

Here the dead point:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tafyWNRie3s

My ramp seem so bad, a disassembly the rotor replication to v?rify my magnet, and on thos dead points i have a great repulstion, but if i pushing up the magnet i quicly lose the repultion. i try to put down the rotor magnet to check if it's avoid the deads points

Thank for read my bad english expression,
(please excuse me)

Molux

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Re: Wankel Magnet Motor
« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2007, 12:04:12 AM »
Hy,

Ok, i just cut my CD to put down the rotor magnet, the glueing is not very beautiful but it glue. This setup is more powerfull than the previous. There is some dead points, i have to correct that before adding a coil.


(http://www.syscoil.org/medias/storages/user_3/wankel_maquette_03b.jpg)
The replication 3

(http://www.syscoil.org/medias/storages/user_3/wankel_maquette_03d.jpg)
The rotor magnet glueing...damn...

(http://www.syscoil.org/medias/storages/user_3/wankel_maquette_03a.jpg)
Here the rotor

(http://www.syscoil.org/medias/storages/user_3/wankel_maquette_03c.jpg)
Those magnet a shortly face to face

(http://www.syscoil.org/medias/storages/user_3/wankel_maquette_03e.jpg)
A other view

(http://www.syscoil.org/medias/storages/user_3/wankel_maquette_03f.jpg)
Here we can see the floppy driver "roller".

Here a vid?o of the manipulation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFJSlMcgh1A

Here a complet "not complete" turn..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEhNyALL8z8

thanks for read me, all suggests are welcome
(Excuse my so badly english expression)

Molux

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Wankel Magnet Motor : Simulate coil
« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2007, 03:03:42 AM »
Hy,

Here a "simulation" of the coil:
(It's hard to simulate and get webcam a the same time)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdJkL3L-344
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_otiHjgC_8Q

Molux

 

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