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Author Topic: John Kanzius: saltwater can burn!  (Read 51021 times)

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John Kanzius: saltwater can burn!
« on: May 28, 2007, 01:30:40 AM »
"John Kanzius discovered that his radio frequency generator could release the oxygen and hydrogen from saltwater and create an incredibly intense flame."

Watch my video-collection of this invention ;-)
http://magistrala.cz/freeenergy/?p=13

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Re: John Kanzius: saltwater can burn!
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2007, 02:45:34 AM »
Well then . Tell that guy to be careful . I am not sure he fully understands what he is doing. Stuff can get out of hand .


Prepare your self , H can go critical very quickly in this situation.
If the  discoverer wants to talk to someone that knows .
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« Last Edit: June 10, 2007, 04:28:05 PM by IronHead »

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Re: John Kanzius: saltwater can burn!
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2007, 02:52:09 AM »
Here's another link with a slideshow link, top right.

http://www.wpbf.com/news/13383827/detail.html

The interesting thing is there apparently is no intended ignition- seems to auto-combust as soon as it gets in the frequency field...
hmmmm...

Wondering how many turtles he has...

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Re: John Kanzius: saltwater can burn!
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2007, 02:52:09 AM »
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Re: John Kanzius: saltwater can burn!
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2007, 02:59:22 AM »
This guy has a possible self ignition bomb here. If he pulls all of the electrons off the H atom, the thing  will go nuclear and the lab will be no more.

I would really like to talk with this guy
« Last Edit: August 09, 2007, 11:35:34 AM by IronHead »

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Re: John Kanzius: saltwater can burn!
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2007, 11:54:45 AM »
Instead of a shock-gun there will be in future a new kind of weapon:
RF-based,
"Inside BURNING MENS"

S
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Re: John Kanzius: saltwater can burn!
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2007, 11:54:45 AM »
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Re: John Kanzius: saltwater can burn!
« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2007, 12:39:58 PM »
 ... i'm afraid that military will buy it  :(

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Re: John Kanzius: saltwater can burn!
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2007, 12:43:49 PM »
In one video he says he has:
a
13.56 MHZ
generator.

So we at least now know, whatfrequency he is using.

Now the question is, what kind of antenna field is behind
the white boxes and exactly how much electrical power is
needed to generated this hydrogen flame and how much
heat power the hydrogen flame puts out.

It does not make sense, when the heat power output is
lower than the electrical input into the 13.56 MHZ
generator...but maybe this can be optimized by
better antenna coupling, so the effect will be indeed overunity ?

It needs to be more heat output than electrical input to be
efficient at all !

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Re: John Kanzius: saltwater can burn!
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Re: John Kanzius: saltwater can burn!
« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2007, 01:00:53 PM »
So we now know, he is using 200 Watts
of RF power.
The question is also, how efficient his
RF generator is.

Here is a new report:



As reported in 5/17/07 edition of Erie Times

SPARK O F INNOVATION



How John Kanzius? push to cure cancer may have discovered alternate fuel


By DAVID BRUCE david.bruce@timesnews.com



Charles Rutkowski placed a test tube filled with ordinary salt water into John Kanzius? external radio-wave generator.
He then blasted the salt water with 200 watts? worth of directed radio waves, not quite enough electricity to light three 75-watt light bulbs.
Within seconds, a blue flame erupted from the top of the test tube. It then turned bright white like a blowtorch?s flame and burned for several minutes at about 3,000 degrees Fahrenheit.
?I?ve done this countless times and it still amazes me,? said Rutkowski, general manager of Industrial Sales and Manufacturing, the Millcreek company that builds Kanzius? generators. ?Here we are paying $3 a gallon for gas, and this is a device that seems to turn salt water into an alternative fuel.?
Kanzius, a retired radio and television broadcaster and engineer, didn?t create his radio-wave generator to burn salt water. He designed it to cure cancer.
Now the same machine appears to convert salt water into fuel.
?It was all a fluke,? said Kanzius. ?We were showing the device to a foreign official last October. He saw condensation while we demonstrated it and suggested using it to desalinate salt water.?
The ramifications could be enormous. If Kanzius can reproduce the effect on large quantities of salt water, it could be used as an alternative fuel.
Cars could run on engines powered by salt water instead of gasoline. Hydroelectric plants could be built along almost any shoreline.
?It doesn?t have to be ocean salt water,? Kanzius said. ?It burns just as well when we add salt to tap water.?
Early tests didn?t work. But when Rutkowski accidentally bumped the test tube while it was being blasted with radio waves, he saw sparks inside the tube.
After several months of finetuning, Kanzius and Rutkowski were able to ignite the salt water on a consistent basis.
?The key was filling the test tube to the brim and then adding a couple more drops,? Kanzius said.
An Allegheny College chemistry professor said that she couldn?t imagine that bombarding salt water with radio waves would generate that kind of heat.
?There doesn?t seem to be enough energy in radio waves to break the chemical bonds and cause that kind of reaction,? said Alice Deckert, Ph.D., chairwoman of Allegheny?s Chemistry Department. ?I have never heard of such a thing.?
Kanzius will unveil his generator?s new capabilities today at a news conference but he gave the Erie Times-News a sneak peek last week.
?We discovered that if you use a piece of paper towel as a wick, it lights every single time and you can start it and stop it at will by turning the radio waves on and off,? Kanzius said as he watched a test tube of salt water burn at a lab at Industrial Sales and Manufacturing. ?And look, the paper itself doesn?t burn,? Kanzius added. ?Well, it burns but the paper is not consumed.? Kanzius has demonstrated his generator?s new use to a andful of people, including U.S. Rep. Phil English of Erie, nd Ed Apsega, general managr of Akron Paint and Varnish, northeastern Ohio-based ompany that helps Kanzius ith lab testing.
with scientific research, having helped design tires for the space shuttle when he worked at B.F. Goodrich in the 1980s.
?But when I saw this, it was the most amazing thing I ever saw and I?ve been around for a lot of stuff,? he said.
?It?s so unique and off the wall. ? It?s just amazing that you can do this with radio waves, something that is all around us,? he said.
Kanzius said that he hasn?t decided whether to share his invention?s new use with government or private business, though he would rather try to get a federal grant to develop it.
?I?m afraid that if I join up with some big energy company, they will say it doesn?t work and shelve it, even if it does work,? Kanzius said.
HOW IT WORKS
John Kanzius isn?t sure how his radio-wave generator causes salt water to erupt into flame. He was still awaiting test results Wednesday night but was ?99.9 percent sure? that the radio waves broke bonds in the salt water that released flammable hydrogen gas.

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Re: John Kanzius: saltwater can burn!
« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2007, 01:06:49 PM »
Maybe he is just using his frequency as a catalyst
as in this thread proposed ?

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2396.0.html

At least it seems to work this way quite well !

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Re: John Kanzius: saltwater can burn!
« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2007, 01:28:27 PM »
Here is attached the PDF file of his patent.
There are also some good diagrams of his RF power setup.

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Re: John Kanzius: saltwater can burn!
« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2007, 05:18:48 PM »
Maybe he is just using his frequency as a catalyst
as in this thread proposed ?

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2396.0.html

At least it seems to work this way quite well !

Hi Stefan,

If that would be the case then the frequency can point us to a substance that is the catalyst for the process. If we can find a substance with a NMR frequency of 13.56 mhz then that is our catalyst..... Maybe we can then understand it better from a chemical point of view...

Robert

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Re: John Kanzius: saltwater can burn!
« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2007, 06:22:11 PM »
But the flame doesnt look like HHO flame at all. It's much slower than HHO and organge while HHO burns almost transparent.

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Re: John Kanzius: saltwater can burn!
« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2007, 06:32:15 PM »
He is producing pure parahydrogen  , this is the outcome of high freq methods.
This the stuff that will run an engine with no modifications to valves,piston and such.Color is from many impurity's in the water itself.
The high RF causes the electrons to move to a high orbit and into a very high excited state to the point of disassociation .

If any of you try working on such a thing you must not  do this in the open.
You all must think I am joking when I say that all of the hydrogen stored in the given amount of water can go critical simultaneously . Where all hydrogen atoms collapse to protons and this will result in a massive energy expulsion . This could wipe out you, your home ,lab .....


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Re: John Kanzius: saltwater can burn!
« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2007, 06:39:55 PM »
But the flame doesnt look like HHO flame at all. It's much slower than HHO and organge while HHO burns almost transparent.

The orange yellow flame is fromthe Na+ ions inside the salt water...
Maybe also some Chlorine is being produced which burns off ?

Would be interesting to see how the exhaust fumes smell ...

Anyway, if this thing could be made more efficient than electrolysis
at the same electrical power input, then it would be good.

Otherwise if he could not scale it up, so he would only need
a few Watts for this flame he now generates, it would never
be overunity I guess...

Maybe standing waves are needed or some kind of near-field
antenna effect is playing a role over here...
Maybe these are just longitudinal waves ala Tesla
that come from his nearby antenna...that have the power
to split the water when NaCL salt is disolved inside the water ..

Maybe the Na+ or Cl- ions bump into the Hydrogen
H+ or H3O ions and give them enough kicks to be converted
to pure H2 gas ?

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Re: John Kanzius: saltwater can burn!
« Reply #14 on: May 28, 2007, 06:52:33 PM »
the salt is a resonance trap

 

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