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Cloxxki

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The Myth of Elon Musk: Busted
« on: October 01, 2023, 01:51:52 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNVfYWZdKQM

I'm an avid detractor from Phil (so mainstream "the science is settled" obedient...), but this video of his is pretty sharp and hilarious.

Whenever Elon mentions a number, the units of measurement are kept a secret, or the number is simply a lie.
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onepower

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Re: The Myth of Elon Musk: Busted
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2023, 06:07:06 AM »
Elon Musk is a fraud in my opinion.

He didn't invent anything, he hired people magnitudes smarter than he could ever be and overworked/underpaid them. In fact every product they sell is only marginally better than what was already available.

Musk is a grifter conning governments into giving his companies free land, large tax breaks and subsidies at the taxpayers expense. Most of his companies would be bankrupt if not for all the subsidies they get.
https://www.mic.com/impact/elon-musk-build-back-better-tesla-subsidies

He is also a liar pushing the false premise of free speech.
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2023/05/elon-musk-ron-desantis-2024-twitter/674149/
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/03/twitter-conservative-media-elon-musk-ron-desantis

The guys a lying pos.

AC
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stivep

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Re: The Myth of Elon Musk: Busted
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2023, 01:00:09 PM »
Quote from: onepower on October 01, 2023, 06:07:06 AM
Elon Musk is a fraud in my opinion.
He didn't invent anything,
he hired people magnitudes smarter than he could ever be and overworked/underpaid them.
every product they sell is only marginally better
Musk is  conning governments into // free land, large tax breaks and subsidies at the taxpayers expense. Most of his companies would be bankrupt
He //a liar pushing the false premise of free speech.
Quote from: Cloxxki on October 01, 2023, 01:51:52 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNVfYWZdKQM
Whenever Elon mentions a number, the units of measurement are kept a secret, or the number is simply a lie.
Dear Gentleman
Typical to an ant looking at the elephant  is to point at his imperfections.
Whatever you say it doesn't make Musk smaller or you bigger.
The wealthiest man on the earth, Musk, can do, claim, push for lower taxes, purchase Twitter 
or voice his opinion-just because he  wants it and he can.
You can do some of it too.
He can change his mind, like, dislike people or technologies.-just because he  wants it and he can.
You can do some of it too
Twitter for Musk is a tool to push, control, become a powerful influencer or defend himself.

Nothing special,
Example: Stefan has in this forum unlimited freedom in decision making despite the fact that he may be incorrect,  sound distinctly naïve or  totally right.

Exposure:
I need tools/labs, money and time, knowledge, education, experience, shop, transportation
and  my morning coffee from a Starbucks.
Elon Musk needs an idea, fun,-all the rest  is done by others for him.
Exposure  affects your comfort and your safety ( actors, politicians, activists, inventors)
Presentation of working A to B or energy extraction = exposure that collides with wealth of others.
As long as I do not  present it in easy to an average Joe form I'm relatively OK.
But I would prefer it if it was not me doing it.
So I'm provoking you with it.
Exposure  of  my value may be intimidating to some of you and in response
those of you with more money, comfort.. or smarter, more educated may show me the door out.
That is why it is best for most of  us to be in the shadows.
I'm in the shadows too.- even if I do not care much, it is pretty comfortable place to be,
Wesley
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kolbacict

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Re: The Myth of Elon Musk: Busted
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2023, 03:58:04 PM »
Quote from: onepower on October 01, 2023, 06:07:06 AM
He didn't invent anything, he hired people magnitudes smarter than he could ever be and overworked/underpaid them.
Let's he'll   take me to there. ;)

p.s.
I got such a device, a klystron. I managed to make it work without fittings, which are absolutely necessary. Am I really smart  ?  8)
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stivep

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Re: The Myth of Elon Musk: Busted
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2023, 06:13:52 PM »
Quote from: kolbacict on October 01, 2023, 03:58:04 PM
Let's he'll   take me to there. ;)
p.s.
I got such a device, a klystron. I managed to make it work without fittings, which are absolutely necessary. Am I really smart  ?  8)
Yes you are.
I damaged few of them  because  I didn't have proper  socket .
This is USA and we are buying them inexpensively - so comfort is not  very good for progress.
Of course  you are very valuable person to this forum, unfortunately
pushed or attracted to some "offers". I can only ask How could you!!
Everything  will change for you very soon.
- next "1990" is expected to by catastrophic but not for you.
Thank you for the tip.
Wesley
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kolbacict

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Re: The Myth of Elon Musk: Busted
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2023, 07:55:11 PM »
Quote from: stivep on October 01, 2023, 06:13:52 PM
unfortunately
pushed or attracted to some "offers". I can only ask How could you!!
those, who're "attracted to some "offers" do not lives in the houses like that. :)
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onepower

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Re: The Myth of Elon Musk: Busted
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2023, 11:45:11 PM »
Quote from: kolbacict on October 01, 2023, 07:55:11 PM
those, who're "attracted to some "offers" do not lives in the houses like that. :)

The biggest problem is that the majority of the most intelligent people who can do things "sell out" for profit.

They invent something, patent, develop it then sell out to people like Elon Musk. The real inventor only receives a small fraction while the most useless business people seem to profit the most. Kind of like a wheat farmer only getting $5/bushel which goes on to make $100 worth of bread. Why not make there own bread, sell it and keep most of the profit?. However some twisted governments stopped this by creating laws saying a farmer must sell there produce to licensed brokers. Which reduces small farmer/producers to basic laborers.

I would never sell out and we cannot keep empowering psychotic people like Musk making them richer. They pay little or no tax, get huge subsidies, manipulate others for profit, in effect there free loaders. It should be obvious that at some point only a few people will own and control everything. These people then give there wealth to there children tax free and the cycle continues. Only the terminally naive would think any billionaire has others best interests in mind.

In my opinion the best option for an inventor is crowd funding and producing/selling there own technology similar to what Prusa did for 3D printing. Build it, produce it, own it.

AC
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Re: The Myth of Elon Musk: Busted
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2023, 12:09:13 AM »
Quote from: onepower on October 01, 2023, 11:45:11 PM

In my opinion the best option for an inventor is crowd funding and producing/selling there own technology similar to what Prusa did for 3D printing. Build it, produce it, own it.

This works until you want to take it worldwide. Then a large number of people are needed to do various jobs and they deserve fair remuneration.
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lancaIV

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Re: The Myth of Elon Musk: Busted
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2023, 12:52:10 AM »
The wheat bushel

to corn
 to flour

to bread

5$ /0,3 /0,3 ~ 55 $ ,bread discount-supermarket/bakery average price


Steel,glass,aluminium,lithium,....    to several ' peoples-BYD'- car transforming

That is MLM,liberal market treat,the government the arms and legs from the social- ' democratic',by ' free' voting,electors their representative parliament !
Elon Musk came from South-Africa,observed the U.S. life culture and react : veni,vidi,vici

He is a perfect geral ' American Dream'- clone !
But 24/7 his father in mind and memory ! With the risc to become ' same',killing fields !

His financial patrimony can not 'brain'-wash the Musk-family their ,public, c.v. !

One of his daughters ' divorced ' her from him  !
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Cloxxki

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Re: The Myth of Elon Musk: Busted
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2023, 12:58:56 PM »
Quote from: onepower on October 01, 2023, 11:45:11 PM
The biggest problem is that the majority of the most intelligent people who can do things "sell out" for profit.

They invent something, patent, develop it then sell out to people like Elon Musk. The real inventor only receives a small fraction while the most useless business people seem to profit the most. Kind of like a wheat farmer only getting $5/bushel which goes on to make $100 worth of bread. Why not make there own bread, sell it and keep most of the profit?. However some twisted governments stopped this by creating laws saying a farmer must sell there produce to licensed brokers. Which reduces small farmer/producers to basic laborers.

I would never sell out and we cannot keep empowering psychotic people like Musk making them richer. They pay little or no tax, get huge subsidies, manipulate others for profit, in effect there free loaders. It should be obvious that at some point only a few people will own and control everything. These people then give there wealth to there children tax free and the cycle continues. Only the terminally naive would think any billionaire has others best interests in mind.

In my opinion the best option for an inventor is crowd funding and producing/selling there own technology similar to what Prusa did for 3D printing. Build it, produce it, own it.

AC
Inventors that can run ANY sort of business, are exceedingly rare. Let alone start something small and grow it to large scale and great success.
Ever seen a promotional document designed by an engineer?

I think we as a fellowship need to acquire and offer skills that inventors lack, to offer more paths to global implementation. It's sort of OK for an inventor to want a quick pay-off, but it forces them to keep their stuf a secret. If inventors ever came outside, they'd know there is a lot of money to be made from a BRAND. Become that brand, go deliver lectures at large universities and conferences, as the world is in a development war to rip off your invention. Fighting to achieve lower energy costs and spread them far and wide even to place where there is no abundance of power at any cost.

If Meyer had gone open source, but copyrighted a Stangine, for Stan's Engine, he could have done great things with that. All the brands would be having Stangines in them, and calling it any differently would be bad for business because customers have heard of the Stangine and they'll have nothing else now. Stangine cars could come with a $1000 donation to Stan Da Man, approved by Stan himself in their marketing materials.
Stan, he wanted billions, up front, for his own new branch of churches, all new buildings, etc. Because his water engine was peanuts compared to the religion he'd crafted. Yeah.

Let's just accept that most inventors are horrible in business. And this who appeared to be good at business, were mostly great at finding investors eager and dumb enough to fall for their elaborate scams and "measurement errors".
To scam someone, you need to be charming, well spoken and: smarter than your victim. Make the victim feel very smart and he'll never suspect a thing.
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kolbacict

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Re: The Myth of Elon Musk: Busted
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2023, 01:49:11 PM »
Quote from: onepower on October 01, 2023, 11:45:11 PM
I would never sell out and we cannot keep empowering psychotic people like Musk making them richer.
But what about the parable from the gospel about buried talents?  Matthew 25:14-30  :)
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Re: The Myth of Elon Musk: Busted
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2023, 08:35:20 PM »
Quote from: a.king21 on October 02, 2023, 07:41:15 PM
Musk is increasingly tweeting Russian propagnda, and it's getting annoying...
I agree  100%
Wesley
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Re: The Myth of Elon Musk: Busted
« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2023, 09:49:34 PM »
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Musk is increasingly tweeting Russian propagnda, and it's getting annoying...

Even when Musk was the supposed progressive wonder boy I didn't believe his bs.
He was ruthless like Bezos/Zuckerberg and his companies designed to trigger the most
government subsidies and tax breaks like a ponzi scheme.

Like many bad actors he was playing the good boy until he got what he wanted (money and power)
and then the story changed. How did he go from fairly mainstream to radicalized hard right conspiracy
theorist in one year?. Then like many far right personalities he started doing drugs, his wife left
and his kids disowned him. Even Musk's own father called him out as a liar on social media.

Now Musk seems to have his own cult like following who believe whatever he
claims and call him a god. There's the kicker isn't it?, nobody calls anyone on
the left a god beyond question there just people doing a job. Not so on the
right and there are many people like jones, musk, trump, putin, peterson elevated to god like status.

This is new to this age but not in older times. Many civilizations like the Aztecs
followed a similar pattern before there destruction. There region became polluted,
food scarce and disease rampant due to overpopulation which led to radicalized beliefs.
They created man-gods who started sacrificing people and tribal warfare/civil war ensued.
They self destructed from the inside as there environment became progressively worse.

So it's important to take precautions and prep for a worst case scenario.
I have already started the process to ensure independent food, water,
power and heat security. Of course fossils fuels and the grid will be first
to go like all centralized industries. Only independent and decentralized
energy sources are secure. That's the real benefit of small scale renewable
energy like wind, solar and micro-hydro. Only a fool would rely on or be
completely depend on others in this environment.

AC
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Jimboot

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Re: The Myth of Elon Musk: Busted
« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2023, 10:47:42 PM »
Quote from: onepower on October 01, 2023, 06:07:06 AM
Elon Musk is a fraud in my opinion.

He didn't invent anything, he hired people magnitudes smarter than he could ever be and overworked/underpaid them. In fact every product they sell is only marginally better than what was already available.

Musk is a grifter conning governments into giving his companies free land, large tax breaks and subsidies at the taxpayers expense. Most of his companies would be bankrupt if not for all the subsidies they get.
https://www.mic.com/impact/elon-musk-build-back-better-tesla-subsidies

He is also a liar pushing the false premise of free speech.
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2023/05/elon-musk-ron-desantis-2024-twitter/674149/
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/03/twitter-conservative-media-elon-musk-ron-desantis

The guys a lying pos.

AC
shouldnt you be applauding nazis in your hoc?
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Re: The Myth of Elon Musk: Busted
« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2023, 11:30:40 PM »
Please no more politics over here...Please discuss this somewhere elese.
The topic stays locked .Regards, Stefan ( admin)
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