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Omnibus

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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #30 on: July 04, 2007, 03:13:53 PM »
Thanks a lot.

Honk

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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #31 on: July 07, 2007, 09:45:43 AM »
Hello guys.

Mr Jack W Hilden-Brands Magnet motor controller is making way fast now.
The electronic design is completed and I manufactured the prototype PCB yesterday.
If this controller doesn't help Jack to get overunity in his motor by letting it
run in self running mode while producing external work, then OU is not possible.
Below there is a list of the features in the controller.

Max 350VDC or 250VAC Input
High Efficiency DC-DC Conversion
DC-DC Short Circuit Protection
Motor Current Limited to 4 Amp
Full Recovery of Back EMF Current
Boosting Flux Respons Enhancement <--- This is where the magic happens :-)
Self Runner Feedback Prepared
Start-Up input for Self Runner Mode
Motor Voltage Regulation On-Board
Flux Response Outputs On-Board
Motor Voltage Outputs On-Board
Motor Current Outputs On-Board

I will mount the completed PCB in a aluminum housing to protect if from damage
and it will also look a lot better than just a raw PCB with components onto it.
Once completed I'll post outside and inside pictures of it here on Overunity.com.

Regards / Honk
« Last Edit: July 07, 2007, 08:16:18 PM by Honk »

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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #32 on: July 07, 2007, 11:06:08 AM »
Thanks Honk,
for the information. I was going to wait a couple more weeks before I started to pester you all again to see how things were proceeding. I am certain Jack will appreciate all the work you have put in. I presume you have still to mount all the components on the board and test it. Let's hope it works according to theory. they usually don't, then I think you know that. Things usually have to be tweaked. Its a pity I couldn't go over and install it on Jacks machine. I have worked most of my life in the electrical installation industry and I have spent a lot of time wiring up speciallised equipment. Jacks motors look beautifully made and I admire craftsmanship, it is usually the sign of a reasonable tidy mind. There is nothing worse than looking at a spaghetti nest when you open up a switch box. A tidy well crafted piece of work always impresses investor. It is now a matter of seeing how it works in practice, I await in anticipation.

Deep regards

Yorkshire Miner

Honk

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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #33 on: July 07, 2007, 04:36:17 PM »
Hello yorkshireminer

The controller works like a charm on a large laminated steel cored coil I got at 75mH inductance.
I have tested all of the new electronics within the controller mounted on a circuit board.
If I hadn't built and performed these test on the circuit board I could be sure of failure.
The question is whether the performance of Jacks motor is increased by my controller.
Myself I strongly believe that getting an instant field in the valve instead of a slow triangular
field will really boost the motors performance and allow high RPM:s with great HP output.
But I'm prepaired to instantly repair or modify the controller if the motor behaves in a way
that I cannot anticipate. Jack can send the controller to me and I 'll fix it at once.
Meantime while Jack is testing his motor and it works fine on the controller I'll build him another
one to be used on his big 5Hp motor. Once Jack releases his documents on the motor I will release
the documents on my Flux Booster Controller as well. There will be schematics, gerberfiles, PDF:s and
a Bill of material with lots of second sources.

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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #34 on: July 07, 2007, 05:52:51 PM »
Dear Honk,
                  thanks you  once again, for the clear and precise information. I was just reading through the list of function and it seems ideal. I especially like the idea of outputs for measuring amps volts and flux, it will make testing so much easier, just plug your meters into the control panel. I am intrigued about how you are going to tackle Flux Response Enhancement, but I will keep my curiosity in check. I am certain Jack will be clucking round his play pen in Ohio like a chicken that has laid a Golden Egg, when he receives the controller. Lets hope everything goes according to plan. I have a good feeling about this.

Deep Regards

Yorkshire Miner

P.S. Hows things in Sweden at the moment? It is many years since I was up your neck of the woods. I read Swedish quiet well. I studied at Roskilde University in Denmark many years ago, and traveled a lot in Southern Sweden, it seems that you are having a little bit of trouble in Malmo at the moment, with the Muslims. 




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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #35 on: July 07, 2007, 07:38:03 PM »
Thanks for that positive feedback. It gives me extra power to complete the controller.
I'd like to correct the name of the feature Flux Measurements Outputs On-Board.
To be more correct the name should be Flux Response Outputs On-Board.
This output makes it simple to see the rise and fall times of the coil current on a oscilloscope.
The Flux Response current rise time can be fine tuned by a small pot inside the Controller.
This is not accessible from the outside. It's set when tested and if tampered with while
running a motor and without having an oscillosope and knowledge the result can disastrous.

Funny that you can read Swedish!
Where are you from?

Regarding the muslims, I don't mind them as long as they don't make any trouble in Sweden.
Most of them don't but those who do I just feel sorry for.
If this motor really is OU then then we will get rid of most oil dependence and the world
might not mess around and upset the middle eastern countries any longer.
« Last Edit: July 07, 2007, 08:26:48 PM by Honk »

Thaelin

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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #36 on: July 08, 2007, 04:15:18 PM »
Hi Honk.   
     Svenska  Yag!

   My family came to the states from stockholm    ;D

sugra

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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #37 on: July 10, 2007, 11:00:16 AM »
Another status report on the controller.  ;D

I have mounted and tested the very important AC-DC convertor that will fit the
incoming voltage to the special needs of the motor. It makes self running possible
if the motor can deliver more out than in. It must be efficient to not waste energy.
Well, I'm happy with the stability and efficiency performance of the AC-DC.
It tested to be 92.2% efficient at 110V input and 45W output. It can deliver up to 85W.
You can't buy AC-DC adaptors with this level of efficiency. They are usually 82%
efficient at most (Premium converters).

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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #38 on: July 12, 2007, 10:55:02 PM »
Hello all.

The controller is finished. Iv'e tested it and it is working fine.
There's still some small issues that I will have to check more thoroughly
before I send the controller overseas to Jack to be tested on his fine motor.
Next week I will have vacation. I estimate I can send it the week after that.

Here's the pictures:

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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #39 on: July 13, 2007, 02:28:46 AM »
That's impressive honk.  A really beautiful piece of craftsmanship!
If it works anything like it looks, that motor should purrrrrr...

Dan

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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #40 on: July 13, 2007, 10:24:05 PM »
Nice work.  Looks like it matches Jack's own level of quality.  Here's hoping it all works well together.

Les.

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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #41 on: July 14, 2007, 09:36:34 PM »
Dear Honk,
                  what a beautiful piece of work, I must congratulate you. I bet that old bugger in Ohio is making clucking sounds at this very moment. I am certain it is really appreciated and he will certainly put it to good use. I await with trepidation to see the results here on this thread.

Deep regards

Yorkshire Miner

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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #42 on: July 14, 2007, 10:48:17 PM »
Thank you all very much for the positive feedback.  ;D

Today I managed to work some more on sorting out the last small issues.
I found a tiny booster bug that I corrected and also added a couple
of 100nF capacitors to improve the stability of the AC-DC converter.

Jack likes the look of the exterior and is really looking forward to test it.
Hopefully it will perform just as good as people hope and expect.

/Honk
« Last Edit: September 07, 2007, 10:04:49 AM by Honk »

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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #43 on: July 26, 2007, 03:31:18 AM »
Honk,

Nice job.  I am progressing on an encoder based triggering circuit to feed the controller the trigger signals.  We have a 4000 count per revolution encoder that we are connecting to a microcontroller.  The microcontroller counts the pulses and generates trigger signals (3 phases) based upon the encoder position.  We will couple the encoder to the shaft of the motor in place of the motorcycle points.  We can adjust the phase and pulsewidth of the output signals dynamically.

This system should give us very close control of the timing.

I still haven't gotten down to visit Jack, but I hope to soon.

db

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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #44 on: July 26, 2007, 08:35:29 AM »
It's nice to have more solutions instead of just the points, which would work fine, but maybe
not as accurate as your encoder. I don't hope the encoder is more expensive than the points.
So far Jack and I have been working to let the points trigger the control signals to my controller.
This is an easy way for Jack, no motor modifications and it's easy for him to hook up the controller himself.

You must know that your cannot feed anything else to the controller except clean stable
signals for each valve. Your outputs must be an open collector circuit with no pullups.
Meaning that when one rotor is in start position you just need to pull down on the
output and when the rotor have moved to it's end position just release the pull down.
There must be no dips or other interuptions from your encoder while the rotor is in pull position.
Just one clean and stable pull down signal while the rotor is in pull mode.

« Last Edit: July 26, 2007, 12:50:14 PM by Honk »