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Author Topic: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..  (Read 203877 times)

Offline gyulasun

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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #75 on: August 15, 2007, 12:06:52 AM »
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What I don't understand is that, if all of the above were indeed true, why bother building a motor with it?  Especially if the plan is to run a generator with the motor to get back to electrical output. 

Why not just use this huge magnetic flux variation that is being controlled by a tiny amount of electrical power applied apparently in well-orchestrated pulses and just hang some pickup coils on it?  What is the advantage of going mechanical and then back to electrical? 

Hi Humbugger,

Thanks for your thoughts. I think an answer to your above question is Lenz law: if you want to use the big flux change, you are to use output coils that create counter flux in the closed flux path that includes the input coil. When you use the big flux change for mechanical advantage, there cannot be so much Lenz effect in the same way...  Agree?


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If anyone figures out how to modulate big permanent magnetic fields and make them vary from zero to 4x rapidly, using only a relatively tiny amount of electrical energy, then a MEG-like solid state device would seem to be far preferred to a rotary motor/generator unless there was some need for rotary torque output.  If the idea is electricity in/electricity out over unity (which would be a truly wonderful thing), what's the point of moving and spinning a bunch of physical mass in between?

Am I being dense here?  Have I missed something?  Seems like a lot of these OU inventions have way more elements than needed...let's find the part of the invention responsible for the OU and keep it simple from there!

I agree, and the only part should be Jack's valve as the origin of OU: of course we should continue waiting for Jack's patents coming out as granted, for he then will explain some more of his secrets... ;)  at least he wrote that!
On MEG-like device: again Lenz law is there and it somehow ought to be avoided. Maybe you have been puzzled by that?

Thanks
Regards,  Gyula

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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #76 on: August 18, 2007, 03:55:03 AM »


Later,,,,,,JackH
« Last Edit: October 01, 2007, 02:53:18 AM by JackH »

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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #77 on: August 18, 2007, 01:56:35 PM »
I have some bad news to report.
My friend with the laser machine tried to cut the non oriented lamintes yesterday
but he was not successful. The laser had troubble finding the surface due to the
black coating of the steel. And the material was so thin that it got bent by the
force from the cooling breeze and the laser got out of focus.
He figures he has to build a fixture to be able to cut the thin lamintes and this will
take a lot more time, probably several months before he can get the jobb done.
This is not good news. I really needed to test the controller more thoroughly.
I guess I'll have to use my original coils and just base my final testing on them.
I don't like it but there is no other way right now.
The next controller for Jack I can probably test on the magnet valves when or if they arrive.
I will probably send Jack the controller sometime two weeks from now.

I must say I'm really impressed by Jack's hard work to make the motors look so good.
It's such a beautiful piece of craftmanship. Let's hope it does provide plenty of overunity.

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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #77 on: August 18, 2007, 01:56:35 PM »
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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #78 on: August 23, 2007, 02:16:24 PM »
Thanks for your thoughts. I think an answer to your above question is Lenz law: if you want to use the big flux change, you are to use output coils that create counter flux in the closed flux path that includes the input coil. When you use the big flux change for mechanical advantage, there cannot be so much Lenz effect in the same way...  Agree?

I don't agree. The Lenz law is reintroduced when you hook up the motor to a generator.
At increasing load the generator will get harder and harder to turn and this is the Lenz law.
If using the motor for a car, then the increasing need for power at increasing speed equals the Lenz law.

But if the Valve does work as intended then we have something more powerful than the force of the Lenz law and this means OVERUNITY with big capitals....
And then all kinds of power generation will open up. MEG:s, Motor/Generators, Cars, Boats, Airplane Motion and new ways we can't even imagine yet...and so on.
But I guess we have to go back to propeller planes if we want to use the motor for flying. ;)

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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #79 on: August 23, 2007, 11:58:11 PM »
Hi Honk,

Thanks for clarifying this.

Gyula

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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #79 on: August 23, 2007, 11:58:11 PM »
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Offline Honk

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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #80 on: September 04, 2007, 10:27:06 AM »
I have now sent the controller to Jack.
Let us all hope for the best.

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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #81 on: September 05, 2007, 04:32:53 AM »


Later,,,,,,JackH
« Last Edit: October 01, 2007, 02:55:31 AM by JackH »

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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #82 on: September 05, 2007, 08:53:07 AM »
Hello All,

Now you can beleive this or not, I don't care.    I'm telling the truth.

Well I worked all day yesterday and today.    I finally got the motor
running on all three valves, with the points.  At a one hundred volts DC
the motor draws around .50 amps.   I can pull it down to about 1500 rpm at
.50 amps, thats only 50 Watts.    The cap I am running to stop the ark on
the points is 6 in serious, thay are 33 MF feed through caps.   With 6 in serious
that means that they are about 5.5 MF.    It is running real good at 100
volts DC.

Now here comes the good part.   I increased the voltage to 150 and the motor
really came alive.   It ran at about 4000 rpm and was only using about .50
amps at 150 volts dc.   I tryed to pull it down and maybe I could knock of
around 500 rpm(3600 rpm) and it still ran at .60 amps at 150 volts dc.  Thats only 90
watts of power.

I set up a 1/2 hp motor that ran around 1500 rpm just to test the power I
could stop the 1/2 hp motor with a pair of lether gloves.    With this new
motor I could not stop it using 100 volts DC, I could only pull it down to
around 1500 rpm, that was only 50 Watts..    Now running it on 150 volts DC
I could only pull it down to around 3600 rpm, only .60 amps, that was only 90
watts of power.

I think I may have wound the coils with to small of wire.   But maybe it
will be just right with the controller.  I think we may have a winner
here.   Honk wants to leave the coils the way they are for right now, for testing
the controller.

Later,,,,,,JackH


Sounds amazing, Jack!  You must be really excited!  Sounds like you should easily be able to go closed loop with any old generator!  Go for it!

Humbugger

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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #83 on: September 05, 2007, 09:43:50 AM »
This is definately the most interesting project on this site. Well done Jack. I really hope this is overunity.

Regards

Albert

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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #84 on: September 05, 2007, 12:12:56 PM »
Hi Jack,
Looking good mate! Keep us informed.
I was wondering, what is the size of one air gap on your big valve system?

Thanks!
Steven

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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #85 on: September 05, 2007, 01:12:55 PM »
I really hope you get what you want JackH, you did really make a piece of art (which more importantly seems to work!).

Cheers.

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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #86 on: September 05, 2007, 02:00:26 PM »
Dear Jack,
 thanks for the great news, I have been keeping my curiosity in check for the last few weeks, and I am looking forward to the report of how it works with Honk's great controller, both may I add beautifully crafted pieces of workmanship. If the figures that you quote are correct, and I don't for a moment think that they are not,they just sound so fantastic, then it should be possible to run an alternator of the rotor shaft. Alternators usually start producing electricity at about 1,500 revs which is what you say your motor runs at with 50 watts consumption. Alternators supply I think about 50 amps at 12 volts, it should be then possible to feed it back into a battery bank and use the battery bank to supply your motor. You will most likely have to use a converter to get it back up to 100 volts and that means double losses, but it certainly seems feasible with how you say your motor performs to get it running in self running mode.  A dynomometer test on your motor should give you the correct output figures for your motor then you can work it out for your self. This was just a cheap and dirty suggestion of testing your motor for self running without too much expense. I hope that you don't think me impertinent.

By the way Jack how is your patent coming along? I think you told us a couple of months ago that you should be getting it about now. Dragging there feet still are they? I would hate not to see you get one. The patent office  have got I think 5,000 patents that the U.S. have confiscated because they were a threat or a perceived threat to U.S. Security. I think that it is paragraph 181 of the U.S. Patent act that give them the right to confiscated your patent without compensation and they can threaten you with 20 years in prison if you divulge it or even talk about it. I would be very careful who I talked too if I were to get this running in self running mode, and I hadn't got my patent. Anyway Jack all the best and I am looking forward to seeing the results when you run it with Honk's great controller, in hopefully a couple of weeks time. I still don't know what I admire best the workmanship or just the simplicity of the idea

Deep Regards

Yorkshire Miner 

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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #87 on: September 05, 2007, 04:50:13 PM »
This was just a cheap and dirty suggestion of testing your motor for self running without too much expense.

Just to satisfy your curiosity I can tell you that the controller have full self-runner support including an AC-DC converter
that will fit the voltage coming from the generator (60-280VAC, 2 or 3 phases) into the needs of the motor.

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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #88 on: September 05, 2007, 07:44:22 PM »
Dear honk,
it can't get much better than that, I am certainly looking forward to see how the motor runs with your controller, thanks for the reply

Deep Regards

Yorkshire Miner.

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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #89 on: September 05, 2007, 08:22:11 PM »
Well, looking good indeed.

I would not try an alternator. They are total hogs. You are better off with a well matched AC generator, but I guess you know all this anyways.

Based on what Jesse McQueen said about patenting, if your patent claims OU and can show the patent office it works, they will patent it. But again, with all the stories we've heard about patents, who's to say. You are maybe better off patenting it as a fly swatter, and then us it for what you want.

@Honk

Now that you're turning your thumbs with nothing to do, care for some more ideas? lol I have this circuit that I took off a flying saucer and would require some reverse engineering.lol

 

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