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Author Topic: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..  (Read 203825 times)

Offline Honk

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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #555 on: December 16, 2009, 08:20:59 AM »
Hi, old Honk here.

@lwh, This is some very good questions you bring forward.
I can clear up a few things but I'm just as curious on what really happened as the rest of us.

His motors does exist for real. He built them himself by hard work and lots of sweat.
But are they really overunity? I'm far from convinced myself. Here's the issues that bother me.

1. He mentioned in one of his forum replies that it took the motor about 2-3 minutes to rev up to 4000 rpm. :o
    I know he was using a solid and heavy rotor core of non oriented steel.
    If his motor could deliver 2-3hp output as stated, then it should accelerate the core mass in no time.
    It shouldn't take several minutes and this makes me believe his motors lack torque and isn't overunity.

2. On every new motor he started building he often said "this one should make it".??
    Why on earth would he say something like this and build another motor time after time if they where overunity?

3. His test setup and knowhow was a bit peculiar and not as straight forward as commonly used in motor testing.
    I don't know the reason for this. But it will contribute to mystify his motors and some people will continue to
    use strange test methods if or when they try to replicate the Hilden-Brand motor in order to find overunity.
    But motors are so very straight forward. There is nothing mysterious about them. This goes for the Hilden
    motors as well. The only thing needed is a good portion of sane knowhow to fully test their efficiency.

4. In my email correspondence with Jack, he was very determined find out if I was a "true believer"!!
    In my book it sounded a bit strange. When it comes to motors there should be nothing but facts.
    Build it, test it, judge it. Then improve the design using the collected data. It's as simple as that.
    Hard believing is often a mind clogger preventing a person from seeing the facts.

Most of all I would like us, the forum guys, to get access to one of his motors, preferably a larger one.
Then it should be put to scrutiny using real and well established test methods.
The main examiner could be Mark Dansie. It is his "job" to find and evaluate potential overunity devices.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=profile;u=8133
Until we can arrange this we will never get any clarity on the Hilden-Brand saga and it will become a myth.
« Last Edit: December 16, 2009, 03:43:17 PM by Honk »

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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #556 on: December 16, 2009, 03:08:33 PM »
Thanks for the PM's. Yes I sent Bill Hildenbrand a PM yesterday in fact and already know Jacks home address and his e-mails. The phone at the home address is not in service so the leads are very thin to go by. I did not email his e-mails simply because now I am sure they are not checked.

I think we need a member that has the right resources to sleuth into this further. @sterlinga time to pull some strings.

I also think we, or mainly I, or better still we in general, made a big mistake in taking so long and not being in contact with his wife much sooner then this. While I should have been keeping on this from the time I learned he got sick. I should have pursued this much more aggressively regardless of the grief involved. Maybe this is too long of a wait now. Hmmmmmmmm. Hindsight is always 20/20. If @sterlinga got involved with Jack as he did with Mylow, we could have known much more by now.

Maybe the only thing to do now is to take his patent and bring it to a few machine shop guys I know and see if they can do a close enough replication of the device regardless of a patent and let the chips fall were they may. Or try to use this technology in another manner to make a motionless generator something like Thane was working on. Hey, were is he anyways? If the energy passing in the cores is 4 to 8 times greater with his system, then pulsing it with other pickup coils inline on the core should do the trick well enough. I could probably work on this on the side while I still do my TPU work.

@lwh

Yes I get your point. It is difficult to gauge when a guy is really bent on trying to make money with free energy. You know I had written to Jack a few times and had offered to make a prototype here in Montreal to then get it tested at McGill University, but he did not give any more follow up on that. All I needed was some good enough drawings.

We are like a bunch of monkeys and one monkey finds a stack of juicy fruits. Of course he, an ape, a rather dumb sub species instinctively knows that he must share the bounty. This will afford him respect, harmony, prominence, confidence and a more then generous prosperity in the group. This will also bypass all the stress and anxiety and dangers involeved in trying to keep it all to himself. Apes are not so dumb after all.

But no, man who is the sophisticated and civilized one says "hey not so fast". Let them wait while I build a fortress around the juicy fruit. But while the first brick gets the mortar, the fruit has rotted and everything is gone. So let them wait cause I will be living forever. That's man for y'a. What a waste. The world generates a Jack Hildenbrand and our system prevents him from achieving his greatness. Meanwhile we spend millions on studying frog manure, eating dead food, blowing ourselves up and then crying for the good life.

We forgot that everyone is born into this ONE World and we are all in this together. Everyone is interrelated. What I discover, you discover. What you discover, we discover, and, by this manner we can all benefit from all the mass, instead of each one benefiting from his own crumbs. Oh but I will live forever. There's always more time. A patent will not take that long. But in reality, patents are for the rich. They can afford to pay for them, they can afford to wait for them, they can keep control while they make them and they can afford to prosecute to protect them. The small guy does not stand a chance. We go to school and learn that we must step on the other guy instead of working in tandem with the world. What a farce.

You get a patent for 17 years. You think you are protected. Big f*&ckin deal. There is a 9 in 10 chance that within the first 2-3 years, your device will become obsolete anyways. So why the f*&k do people waste so much damn time with patents, paying, waiting and wasting the worlds time just beats me. Why not just make the damn thing for the three years while the doing is good, not waste time, not worry about others and just do it, NOW. In the end, it will still eventually become obsolete and if it does not become obsolete, then all the more power to you.

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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #557 on: December 17, 2009, 12:56:39 AM »
Well my take on the Hildenbrand style motor is that it is not at all mysterious or difficult to understand. Also nothing is hidden and could be build right now. The only main pain is that it is far beyond the building abilities of likely everybody other here. And you can;t really put it into the hands of a machine shop who have no real experience with electric stuff/motors unless you supervise it yourself. Plus it will be very expensive. Jack had a very well equipped shop with multiple very big mills and lathes. Plus he had access to bulk sheet transformer laminations and had a sheet metal cutter table. You must be able to cut your own laminations of else don't even try a replication. In the end money is the only real limitation for a good replication. This is a device which does not really have anything hidden, but is just expensive to build. I have a well equipped small shop with mill, lathe and such, but building stuff on Jacks scale is not doable for me.

Then there is the issue that the tech itself is perhaps a bit doubtful still. I still have high hopes for Jacks motors and performance. But I must say in my replication that even getting the magnets to even switch a little was a little shady area. In most of the input ranges adding the magnets does not much to the total torque. Only when you really spank the core to very high input levels there was an rpm increase when magnets were added, but also an amp draw increase... It was all pretty unclear. Also the magnets were bouncing on the surface of the cores. Meaning that the core were spanked so hard that the magnets were literally almost repelled from the core surface, which could cause demagnetization over time.



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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #557 on: December 17, 2009, 12:56:39 AM »
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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #558 on: December 19, 2009, 09:45:13 PM »
Here's an interesting development, somewhat related. 

Forum member Winsonali posted a diagram in this thread - http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7987.560 showing a design similar(?) to Jack's, based on a patent from 1959. 

From what I can remember, Jack only referred to patents from General Electric (or Westinghouse, I can't remember which one) as being similar to his.  Would have been interesting to hear Jack's opinion on this one. 

Would be interested too to hear people's opinions on whether this design from Winsonali would be easier for others to make than Jack's.

Les.   

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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #559 on: December 19, 2009, 10:25:40 PM »
Yes this whole approach of magnet assisted cores goes way back, but most of them are expired, and I wonder if any has ever got into a real application. So a lot of re patenting has been going on. Not that patents are of any real value.

But back to the device. The whole question that in my opinion has yet to be solidly proven, is does the magnet really provide a net gain. In a dynamic motor or transformer like situation that is!
Because in steady-on situation it can easily be demonstrated that such a structure provides a 4X(max) holding force then when compared to the coil alone.

Like so:
http://home.planet.nl/~sintt000/MagnetExtraPower.wmv

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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #560 on: December 19, 2009, 11:20:49 PM »
Thanks for the video Nali.  Is it one of yours?  I seem to remember it from earlier on in one of the Hildenbrand threads.

Obviously I don't have an answer for your question as to whether this effect can be applied to produce a gain in a motor or transformer.  I was however under the impression it was the timing of the switching that was the stumbling block in those kinds of applications.

Not being very knowledgeable in any of the sciences relating to the search for free energy, maybe I take too simplistic a view of things like the varying of a magnets strength as shown in the video you provided.  But it seems to me, if all you need is a 1.25volt\.8amp power source to at least double a magnets strength, there should be some way to make those magnets move something that can generate that 1.25volt\.8amp or more.  Is this too simplistic an assumption?  Isn't it just a mechanical engineering (which I also know nothing about) problem? 

Also, in the initial stages, does a device utilizing this switching effect have to be a motor as such in order to prove that a self-running motor could be made by using that effect?  I'm thinking along the lines of a gravity-wheel type setup, which, incidentally, Jack also said he had a simple design for but which he never came forward with.

Sorry if my questions are too obvious.  I'm just trying to understand why even an arrangement of devices like those shown in your video couldn't be arranged to generate the power required to (effectively) switch the magnets on and off, and so, make the arrangement self-run.

Les.


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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #561 on: December 20, 2009, 01:15:16 AM »
@Nali2001

Yep your video(s) were pivotal in us understanding Jacks device.

I am also curious,in your video, the bar with the magnets that you are adding to the U core, What if you simply wind a coil on that bar, even only 20 turns of 14 gauge insulated electrical wire. Wind on the bar between the magnets, then connect the added coil to a capacitor of good mF value via a charge diode. Then pulse the U core coil and check the cap with your meter if it will rise in voltage. If you are only pulsing 1.5 volts into the U core coil and you manage to raise the voltage in the capacitor to higher then that, then there is a good sign this is a way to go.

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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
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