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JackH

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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #120 on: December 08, 2007, 07:07:47 PM »


Later,,,,,,,JackH
« Last Edit: March 05, 2008, 11:52:35 PM by JackH »

boxofsparks

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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #121 on: December 09, 2007, 01:56:21 AM »
Looks Great !!!
If you need some 15 let me know.  Also have great connections on sprockets..chain..bearings etc. Spent 20 years in that business and still have a bunch of it. Can get anything still. Get me a list and I can ship it out. That stuff I can supply to you for nothing in most cases. Great to see some progress.
Jon

LarryC

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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #122 on: December 10, 2007, 11:17:47 PM »
Magnet switching motor used by Axle Corporation for motorcycles. Basic design is different, but it is using similar switching to JackH's current motor. Please check out
http://blog.wired.com/cars/2007/10/super-efficient.html
http://www.genesis-corp.co.jp/e/e401.html
http://www.genesis-corp.co.jp/j507.html

These documents have interesting performance analysis and one stated it had four times more torque.

Any comments appreciated!

LarryC

Honk

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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #123 on: December 11, 2007, 08:46:09 AM »
If they can maintain the regular RPM at the four times higher Torque claim, they got themselves an Overunity motor.
As you probably know, Torque times Speed = Hp Power.
But perhaps their marketing is exaggerating the claims as usually when new stuff is hyped.

acp

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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #124 on: December 11, 2007, 09:52:50 AM »
http://www.genesis-corp.co.jp/e/e502.html

As far as I see it, this is exactly the working principle of Jack's valve, The only difference being, the coil is placed at the side of the magnet rather than around the magnet. I seem to recall that Jack also used that arrangement in his motors also?


acp

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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #125 on: December 11, 2007, 09:58:52 AM »
Actually the genesis website doesn't appear to have been updated since 2002.........

Honk

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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #126 on: December 11, 2007, 01:22:27 PM »
dooughhh!!!  :o

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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #127 on: December 11, 2007, 01:41:33 PM »
dooughhh!!!  :o

Not sure I understand, can you elaborate?

Have I said something stupid??  ???
« Last Edit: December 11, 2007, 03:04:52 PM by acp »

Honk

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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #128 on: December 11, 2007, 03:05:50 PM »
No, nothing stupid. It was just me acting like Homer when something is feeling wrong.... ;D
If the site haven't been updated since 2002 then it's either forgotten or more probable they don't exist (or the product) as a company anymore.

Honk

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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #129 on: December 11, 2007, 05:46:12 PM »
Oppps, looks like the Genesis motorbike does exist.  :-[
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=trws3k9vq6M&feature=related

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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #130 on: December 11, 2007, 06:22:06 PM »
Honk, would you agree that it seems to be the same principle behind Jack's technology? They claim on their website overunity, with the energy being provided by the magnets.

Honk

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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #131 on: December 11, 2007, 06:40:40 PM »
Yes, it does look very similar, but the size of the iron pieces are important
to avoid saturating the material. The pic show to small pieces but this
is probably just a drawing error. And magnets used are very small in the pics.

LarryC

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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #132 on: December 11, 2007, 07:10:18 PM »
From the video, you can see NFK Group Genesis. Not sure what the NFK stands for, could be Nippon, etc. , etc. But more references to the motorbike can found under that name I'm thinking that Genesis is now a subsiderary of NFK Group.

The inventor is Sanshiro Ogino and has about 6 US patents. Some are motor generators.

The following site http://www.genesis-corp.co.jp/type2.html ,has an interesting comment about making a prototype from a stepper motor.

Also this has info on the company and inventor http://www.genesis-corp.co.jp/e/e202.html.

I had trouble with flux leakage on my test valve, even with the .1 mm tape. So I had to reduce my magnets to a somewhat similar level.

Regards,
LarryC

LarryC

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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #133 on: December 11, 2007, 11:06:22 PM »
Yes, it does look very similar, but the size of the iron pieces are important
to avoid saturating the material. The pic show to small pieces but this
is probably just a drawing error. And magnets used are very small in the pics.

The drawing seems correct. The following site has a video showing the actual magnet unit http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://www.axle-group.com/&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=9&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DAxle%2Bcorporation%26hl%3Den%26newwindow%3D1%26safe%3Doff%26rlz%3D1T4GGIE_enUS237US237%26pwst%3D1 . Hope it works, this is a google translated version.

LarryC

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Re: Controller circuit for Hilden Brandt motor needed..
« Reply #134 on: December 12, 2007, 04:09:52 PM »
Sorry guys, that site didn't make it. But it goes to a site where if you click on ' SUMO is the motor, TV Tokyo "WARUDOBIJINESUSATERAITO trend egg" in the introduction.' . It will bring you to the page where you can click on the MOVIE button. Part of it shows the magnet unit.