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Offline hartiberlin

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Meyl powers boat with Tesla waves !
« on: May 14, 2007, 05:52:12 AM »
Hi All,
have a look here at this video
from Prof. Meyl, how
longitudinal waves can transmit
power pretty effectively wireless
to propel a boat :

http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-1426638491693188239


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Re: Meyl powers boat with Tesla waves !
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2007, 06:02:51 AM »
Here is another Meyl video showing one wire energy transfer,

http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-4615804709108706714&q=meyl

but it can also be explained by the Avramenko plug technology,
so the power is just transmitted via the one wire...

Several people have tried to scale this up,
but so far as I know, nobody has gotten real overunity with this
concept, maybe only Tesla himself ?

Meyl mostly claims it is overunity, but has not validated this claim
yet somehow as far as I know..

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Re: Meyl powers boat with Tesla waves !
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2007, 06:23:54 AM »
Hmm,
in the second video he explained, that he did use
saltwater in the bassain to conduct as substitution
for the groundwire...

So I wonder, if this will also work without the big antenna
ball,but just using a resonance circuit or an Avramenko plug inside the boat ?

Probably will also work, but maybe not so effectively ?

Interesting is the power reflection back to the transmitter...
This is a thing which is really interesting and really could
be used I guess in the future to retransmit data from the
receiver to the transmitter...

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Re: Meyl powers boat with Tesla waves !
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Re: Meyl powers boat with Tesla waves !
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2008, 08:00:53 PM »
Dr. Meyl has a demo kit for sale demonstrating scalar wave and wireless energy.  It costs a few more Euros than I can afford, so I am wondering if anyone has purchased this and if they can post the results.  This would be a huge breakthrough if validated.

http://www.etzs.de/onlineshop/index.php?cPath=3&XTCsid=37cc64e23e96aed2d2949114ea414975


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Re: Meyl powers boat with Tesla waves !
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2008, 08:44:10 PM »
If you mean these 2:

http://www.etzs.de/onlineshop/index.php?cPath=3&XTC

They work more due to the Avramenko plug one wire energy
transfer,  to my knowledge it was not proven not to be overunity.

I know an experimentator,who tried it with a rebuild version
also with higher power levels and he did not get more power
out than in.

But you can probably use the Avramenko effect in
special devices to reduce the Lentz law effect,
which is here not used..

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Re: Meyl powers boat with Tesla waves !
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2008, 02:00:24 PM »
I do not think this has anything to do with overunity at all. It is about ground power transmission which Tesla pioneered and after him the little known Louis Rota, whose research a couple of us have put on a site:

http://www.wikirota.org/en/Main_Page

Eric Dollard showed experimentally how Tesla produced underground transmission. See these two videos at

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Eric+Dollard&emb=0&aq=f#

1)Tesla transverse and longitudinal waves
and
2) Tesla's Longitudinal electricity
( unfortunately the quality is poor, I have the 1986 Borderland Sciences originals and they are only marginally better).

Dollard demonstrated Tesla style through  ground transmission.
The essence of longitudinal waves is simple enough (Dollard demonstrates it clearly): a tuned circuit can be represented as a open circuit transmission line. But there are two sorts of transmission line, the conventional one with series inductors and shunt capacitance which any pair of wires or a coaxial cable naturally replicates. But there is also the converse transmission line which has series capacitance and shunt inductance which is not replicated by a coaxial cable. To replicate such a converse transmission line in a tuned circuit is possible by increasing the interwinding capacitance . This is opposite to good RF transformer design.
Every RF transformer has two tuning points the normal one which is normally optimised and a second one which is usually regarded as parasitic and involves the interwinding capacitance (this is usually minimised). The second tuning point usually higher in frequency simulates the series capacitance type transmission line mentioned above. So wind your coil to maximise between turn capacitance and it will have a tuning point that gives longitudinal waves as well as a conventional tuning point at a lower frequency which give conventional transverse waves.

My experiments suggest that Dr Stiffler's circuits produce longitudinal waves. I used a modification of the Thomas circuit he mentions for ground transmission.

For best results some sort of matching to ground capacitance is needed. It seems that the longitundinal wave will not transmit through the air.
See US patent 1,349,104 J.H Rogers
and http://www.rexresearch.com/rogers/rogers1.htm

Mike

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Re: Meyl powers boat with Tesla waves !
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2009, 01:40:08 AM »
@All
I am considering replicating  Dr. Meyl's 2 towers he used in the video to demonstrate scalar waves.
Is this the best thread to discuss this subject or is there another one were someone is already testing this? 
Meyl  uses a flat coil for his setup, looks like it is etched right on the board. 
Anyone else interested in replicating this?
 

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Re: Meyl powers boat with Tesla waves !
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2009, 07:27:35 AM »
I've been dying to replicate the effects myself, but before I can even begin, I'd need a sinusoidal signal generator, preferably with frequencies up to 7.2 megahertz like in his 2003 demonstration. Amplitude and Frequency modulation would be wonderful, but I'm having a hard time finding a signal generator that I can afford on my incredibly small budget. The closest I've come so far is this one; http://www.elexp.com/tst_sg10.htm
(http://microsite.konor.org/Wireless_Energy_Transfer.jpg)
What interests me the most is not so much the fact that this is supposedly wireless electricity, but the part nearing the end of the video in which he says that information could be modulated through the waves for some sort of medical treatment. I also have been wondering if some form of scalar wave interference patterns could result in effects similar to the Hutchison effect, but I need to take things one step at a time. ;D

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Re: Meyl powers boat with Tesla waves !
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2009, 03:05:16 PM »
Nihilanth, For longitudinal transmission I found it best to use the Thomas circuit which Dr. Stiffler published a year or so ago. This circuit favours longitudinal back and forth (shuttle) resonance along a wire connected to the end of the circuit. A look with a scope shows that the circuit seems to oscillate in several modes simutaneously, one of the modes is enidently longitudinal.
As is well known a tuned circuit can be simulated as an open circuit delay line made of  series connected inductances and shunt connected capacitors, the complementary circuit to this is series connected capacitors and shunt inductances as Dollard demonstrated, this complementary method gives longitudinal oscillation when embodied in a circuit like the Thomas.
Most tuned circuits are designed to minimise interwinding capacitance not maximise it because capacitance reduces the circuit Q etc.
The voltage at the end of a wire connected to the end of a Thomas circuit running from 12v can give you a small RF burn and light neon indicator bulbs. If you dip the end of the wire into a plasitc bowl of water you can light a neon tube or small fluorescent lamp by dipping one end in the water. Dip a another wire in the water and connect the other end to an avremenko plug and you can light a LED with it.
Tesla's flat coils are made to  support longitudinal interwinding shuttle (CL) oscillation in preference to common LC oscillation, but Stiffler's coils are easier to make.
A 2N3904 transistor is a lot cheaper than a VHF oscillator also the waveform from the thomas circuit is full of harmonics, the fundamental frequency is around a few Mhz, you do not need Meyl's UHF.


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Re: Meyl powers boat with Tesla waves !
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2009, 04:36:03 PM »
What I don't quite understand how to do yet with the pancake coil is how to wind the primary.
Do you place the primary over top of the pancake coil or around the outside of it? 

@Nihilanth
If you could build two identical units then you could use a variable oscillator circuit for the input.
Once you get it to resonate the other unit will energize as well.
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Re: Meyl powers boat with Tesla waves !
« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2009, 06:14:38 PM »
 How many receivers can be run off one transmitter? I got the impression it was limitless for the wireless transmitter.

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Re: Meyl powers boat with Tesla waves !
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2009, 12:47:21 AM »
Here are some links on flat coils that I believe is very useful for this thread.

http://keelynet.com/energy/milan.htm
http://www.gnucash.org/mirrors/mirrors/jnaudin.free.fr/mmfht/index.htm


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Re: Meyl powers boat with Tesla waves !
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2009, 01:58:10 AM »
Thanks Mike, but for the time being I'd prefer to keep as close to Meyl's design as possible in terms of coil winding, high frequency and low power, but may be willing to try the Thomas circuit, if I can get the schematic. (and build one.)

My main focus of this attempt is more so on the scalar waves and the effects rather then on the electricity it's self. Unless I can get usable amounts of free energy out of it. :D

Do you place the primary over top of the pancake coil or around the outside of it?
From what i've seen, of his demonstrations, it seems more likely that the two single-layer pancake coils go on one another rather then around each other. Although I don't think it should make that much of a difference.

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Re: Meyl powers boat with Tesla waves !
« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2009, 10:47:21 AM »
Here is Dr. Stiffler's "Thomas Circuit" it is very simple. works well with various coils.

I wind the primary round the outer circumference of a flat coil or you can put it on top, it does not seem to make much difference.

 Producing flat spiral coils:-

You can download a free vector graphics drawing program (inkscape) that has a flat spiral drawing tool in it. You can vary the number of turns and the line thickness. I printed one onto transparent laser printer sheet and used it as a PCB master.

http://www.inkscape.org

Mike

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Re: Meyl powers boat with Tesla waves !
« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2009, 08:17:10 AM »
It turns out that I will probably be able to get my hands on the laser CNC at my college, where I could probably cut out a spiral among other things that I'd like to. Tomorrow/(Later today technically) I'll be going to a local ham radio fair, and I was wondering if there were any components of particular interest that I should try to look for. Namely ones that would help with this, but that's not especially important. :p

I have still yet to build a Thomas circuit, but I was wondering what exact use would I have for it? The primary reason that I want to replicate the experiment is because of the scalar wave modulation that Meyl described at the end of his 2003 lecture. The other being observing any possible effects that could arise from the interference patterns of  two or three scalar wave transmitters in close proximity.

In Meyl's lecture video, he states that the waves from his transmitter are scalar waves at 7.2Mhz, but aren't necessarily so at other frequencies. ??? If that frequency really is required for this type of transmitter to produce scalar waves, then that is the frequency I want to use. He also said that information can be modulated on scalar waves(7.2Mhz) using the device for medical and other reasons, and until I know the means of modulation (Probably not FM), I shouldn't really settle on a signal generator.

I'm very tired, so sorry if I don't make much sense/am disorganized in thought.

 

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