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Offline fernando

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Helmut,

It seems that he does not to want to make business out of his device, however, he might be very rightfully wanting to build units in order to sell them. He mentions that they can be built much cheaper than the smallest wind generator. Maybe he is waiting for some sort of answer from the patent office in order to proceed. 

However, once proven that it can work, since the device can be built to much higher scale, he might want to collect royalties on it. What he cannot avoid is replicating on higher or smaller scale once known precisely how it works, worldwide. Just think on China.

He has posted a question on his web about how much torque a windmill can produce. The question says a lot about him. He does nor know anyting about the size of the windmill, the speed of the wind, the height over sea level at which the windmill is posted, the density of the air, not to mention the Betz coefient. All of this makes the answer impossible as such or, so to speak, give him a precise detail.

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@ P-Motion:

Excellent point!


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... I wonder how 1500 pounds of torque could be generated within 16 inches of center.

Many times improving the standard design requires a Geometry change; an example would be an auto engine called the MYT Engine

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6224324724976235267&q=myt+engine&total=25&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1
http://www.angellabsllc.com/

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What I do wonder is why he doesn't release details.

I'm afraid the response would be obvious and predictable. People would insist he is just mistaken. Chances he really made some mistake are not zero. On this internets, in stead of finding a single person who wants to help him he would rapidly collect a big crowd of nay sayers. Much more as to claim he made a mistake they wont do for him.

overunity.com is slightly less horrifying as the rest of the net but it's probably not the first place he looked. Then after getting slandered by say 10 or 20 people he is sure to shut up.

Reading up on the previous  inventors he might also have swallowed his pride. 50 years of Joe Newman? CNN confirmed his device worked ? You think you are more convincing then that? If Joe is mad it most likely happened in the last 49 years. Any normal person would have gone insane after 2 days.

Look here, this is a great suggestion.

http://www.newsourceofenergy.com/garbage.html

Better as that inventions don't get. :) You tell me what there is so hard to understand about it?

Let me add: bricks, tungsten or radioactive waste can be burned just like coal exactly as described. Any real scientist will tell you it's impossible. Meanwhile youtube is full of videos showing just that and exactly that. What more is there to explain I wonder? What point is there in explaining anything in addition to this? Any nuclear physicist can do the experiment when-ever they feel like it. But it never happened.

After the submarine, the rocket to the moon, the thousand miles under the sea now the ""experts"" want to have a go at debunking Jules Verne's hot air balloon? How is that not laughable I wonder? It's preposterous! ::)

I'm afraid everything there is to know about this gravity engine is already on this guys website. We are just to blind to build it, which I'm sure defeats the point of talking with us. :'(

People are funnier than anyone.

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  @helmut,
 Since he has posted his videos and other information, his where abouts are known.
I don't think something gravity powered will power the planet. This is what makes me nervous a little bit. To build an actual working design and then have other people making claims based on what they don't understand.
 With Bob, I wonder how 1500 pounds of torque could be generated within 16 inches of center.
Looking at it from a mechanical perspective, that's about 3 times as much as a Dodge Viper with a 10 cylinder engine. They have 525 pounds of torque.
http://trucks.about.com/cs/dodgeramsrt10/a/ram_srt10.htm



As i believe,we can be really happy,that some Inventors are brave enough to show there inventions free and open source via the internet.
Each of this presentation is a gift to interestet readers,but some are not worth to know about it.
Regarding to this matter,i am with Gaby de wilde ,as he states in a previous post.

In my own view, the situation is in some way so that one is free, to thonk of any thoughts .But usable when it comes to knowing, or sale of goods, one Border is faced immediately .one can not and should not do market everything .
Everyone has the desire, a machine work for them, and enjoy to life without his work .Aber because it is not for every man a robot, a man, the other people work for you.
This is often not fair and creates slavery.
Basically, we are tired of it all, to be dependent on money, and a fremdbestimmtes live f?hren.Deshalb we find ourselves again and again on these pages wieder.Therefore daily, we are on the lookout for new ways in which employers are independence.Unsere Robots not to our benefit, we must build.that ourself.
So it must be our objective, our mutual support, and the other to motivate them, and on their way to assist with appreciation.

Ney Sayers are like fleas in the fur.

Such people slow down any thought to zero.
It need not even in geschehen.Deshalb intention, I ask every reader, being aware of it.
It has been proven that the spiritual activities in ingenious solutions to m?nden.Aber needed open space and inspiration.
Finished products are available on the shelves of department stores.
Who now benefit from new ideas, it must itself turn into a product, or wait until they are bought.

I think that Bob is an invention with great potential made hat.vermutlich he is not the first to have done such a thing.
But he is one of the first to see to the infinite reach of the Internet is used, while thousands of interested contemporaries.
Something has since Babylon in this proportion is not given.
By penetrating this medium can and should make use of each.
2008 will be the year of free Energie.Das birth year of the new term.

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Offline Koen1

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Look here, this is a great suggestion.

http://www.newsourceofenergy.com/garbage.html

Better as that inventions don't get. :) You tell me what there is so hard to understand about it?
You must be joking.
Let me just quote that page:
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By adding a unit such as an electrolysis machine you can produce all the hydrogen you need for free. This can be used to power your your car or incinerate garbage.

Hydrogen burns at around 3000 degrees so as a result almost everything that is being burnt by this process will be totally incinerated and as we all know, the only byproduct of Hydrogen is water.

Filters can be put on the smoke exhaust that can trap all the harmful chemicals and they can be dealt with in a much smaller capacity as all the bulk would be gone.
That is just a bunch of humbug!
First of all the production of hydrogen by electrolysis is NOT free, you need to input as much (actually slightly more) energy as you get out in the form of combustible hydrogen.
Second, "totally incinerated" only means "reduced to a gaseous oxide form", it does not mean "disappeared". The byproduct of burning garbage (inlcuding harmful chemicals) is not just water, it is also all the oxidised matter that you burnt, including the potentially harmfull materials, and even creating some more toxic fumes that were not in the air before you burnt your junk. So the "only byproduct" is not water, the reaction products are water vapour and various, including toxic, fumes. Air pollution.
Third, yes, filters could be used to filter all toxins out of the fumes, but to produce and clean these filters will cost considerable money and energy, which will need to come from somewhere. So we have the input for the electrolysis device, the input for the filter production facility, and the input for the filter cleaning facility, all needed to dispose of the suggested garbage.
How exactly is that free?

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Let me add: bricks, tungsten or radioactive waste can be burned just like coal exactly as described. Any real scientist will tell you it's impossible.
I do not believe there are many scientists that deny the fact that anything will burn if you heat it hot enough. Do you have any evidence to back up this statement?
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Meanwhile youtube is full of videos showing just that and exactly that. What more is there to explain I wonder? What point is there in explaining anything in addition to this? Any nuclear physicist can do the experiment when-ever they feel like it. But it never happened.
What "experiment" do you mean? The burning of garbage?
Not surprising nuclear physicists don't waste their time burning garbage in my opinion; they have fuel rods and geiger counters to check... ;) Garbage disposal is left to people in that branch of industry, obviously. If you were a bus driver, would you go and repair the hubble telescope, or would you stick to driving your bus? ;)
Or are you referring to the suggested "free" energy in the link you provided? Well that just remains to be proven... I don't see any.

If you are simply saying that all low enthropic state materials can be reduced to high enthropic state while freeing energy that can be used, then of course you're right,
but that's also nothing new. Enthropy, gotta love it. But don't forget, in order to burn them, we first need to make the low enthropic structures like bricks, tungsten rods, and radioactive materials. They don't just grow, you know. We need to refine the base materials, work them, alter their material structures, shape them, until we finally have turned our raw mineral ores and other raw sedimentary materials into the neatly ordered and structured objects like bricks and tungsten rods, and even the quite unnaturally concentrated and nuclearly altered fission materials. Then, we can burn these structures, releasing energy stored in its structure and chemical composition.
But can we ever get more energy out than we put in? Nope.
So what exactly are you so worked up about, Gaby?

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After the submarine, the rocket to the moon, the thousand miles under the sea now the ""experts"" want to have a go at debunking Jules Verne's hot air balloon? How is that not laughable I wonder? It's preposterous! ::)
Excuse me?
I must have missed something... Who's trying to debunk the hot air balloon??

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The gravity engine in the attached pdf is VERY similar to Bob's and well explained.......have a look!

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Offline helmut

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@ dutchy
The Fuelless Mashine i know since long time .There was a Video via Youtube and shows all moving Parts in Detail.But someone took it from there.
Thanks for the pdf.It will help others to imagine,how the design can be done.

@ Koen1
Some Month ago,someone came up with a prossedure to restrukture waist from garden in to cole
just during the night.
To me it was a breakthrough.But the Newspapers did not present it as a sensation.
Nature needs tausend of years to do the Job.Now one is able to do it over Night.
Yes,there is a input of energy nessesary,but just emagine:if this Energy is produced as free Energy made in a gravity supportet Mashine,than ,many things become reality,including the production of oxygene as a secondary product.
It is known,that dioxides need a high temperature to be burned.But after that,there is no toxic particles left .Thats,what we have learnd about it.
But who knows,perhaps right tomorrow we have an other lesson to learn.

helmut




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Well, a gravity driven machine sounds great to me :)

I'm just saying that whatever you burn, it has to come from somewhere, and there's only so much energy gain
as was put in originally...
Now I don't know what overnight coal thing you're talking about,
but the artice on using hydrogen to burn waste only says
you can make hydrogen, and burn that, and use that flame to burn your waste.
Yes, you can do that. Be dumping a lot of fumes into the air, but it'd get rid of your waste...

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Offline WalterSingletary

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I think Bob is talking about brown gas or HHO

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Could be... but what's that doing in a thread titled "Gravity wheel"?

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Offline helmut

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Need some Help to see sketches according to some Patents
JP11173255         74/64   SEMI-PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE;
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5921133.html;
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6363804.html

thankx in advance

helmut

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@P-Motion
Well done.
Here i get empty pdf pages only.
Thankx

helmut

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Need some Help to see sketches according to some Patents
JP11173255         74/64   SEMI-PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE;
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5921133.html;
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6363804.html
thankx in advance
helmut

Hello Helmut,

There is a Japanese link where you can have free online translation from Japanese patent texts into English.
First go this site and click on PAJ (in the left hand column): http://www.ipdl.inpit.go.jp/homepg_e.ipdl
You get to the Searching PAJ page (dismiss the pop-up window of language pack download offer, it is not needed).

If you need JP11173255,  you have to rewrite this like 11-173255, ok? And click on Number Search icon on the right.
Now copy and paste 11-173255 into the empty window and choose Publication Number, then click Search.
You receive a page with the title of the Japanese patent and click on the blue publication number. You will receive the Abstract in English (this is usually the same as the abstract text at the European Patent Office) and if you click on the DETAIL icon in the upper pink coloured menu line, you will get the clickable text translations of the patent in English in a new Search Result window. 

Regarding the USA patents, there is a reliable link for them, giving full drawings and not broken ones:
http://www.pat2pdf.org/  and entering the USA patent numbers you will receive them in freely downloadable PDF files.

Good luck,
Gyula

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Need some Help to see sketches according to some Patents
JP11173255         74/64   SEMI-PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE;
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5921133.html;
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6363804.html
thankx in advance
helmut

Hello Helmut,

There is a Japanese link where you can have free online translation from Japanese patent texts into English.
First go this site and click on PAJ (in the left hand column): http://www.ipdl.inpit.go.jp/homepg_e.ipdl
You get to the Searching PAJ page (dismiss the pop-up window of language pack download offer, it is not needed).

If you need JP11173255,  you have to rewrite this like 11-173255, ok? And click on Number Search icon on the right.
Now copy and paste 11-173255 into the empty window and choose Publication Number, then click Search.
You receive a page with the title of the Japanese patent and click on the blue publication number. You will receive the Abstract in English (this is usually the same as the abstract text at the European Patent Office) and if you click on the DETAIL icon in the upper pink coloured menu line, you will get the clickable text translations of the patent in English in a new Search Result window. 

Regarding the USA patents, there is a reliable link for them, giving full drawings and not broken ones:
http://www.pat2pdf.org/  and entering the USA patent numbers you will receive them in freely downloadable PDF files.

Good luck,
Gyula

@Gyula

Tanks for the lesson

helmut

 

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