Larry,

I apologize for the inconvenience my response to Broli has caused here. Not being aware of;
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=1821.msg137914#msg137914 I have started a new thread regarding Free Source.

Ralph   

Edited out, for Bobs sake I changed my mind about what I was going to write here. Some may have already seen it.

Look what I found...an old school horizontal gravity wheel
Just flip it vertical, then add some weights and guides. Check out the simple mechanics. Could this be modified into a "Bob" design? Maybe use a "snail cam" in the center??

Nice info yaz! I've been looking for a way to turn the captured CF sling force into rotational increase and this may help.

Thanks, Larry

Edited out, for Bobs sake I changed my mind about what I was going to write here. Some may have already seen it.

Actually Ralph, I had seen your very interesting post earlier but was still in my development time and it would take some data collection to properly answer your questions.

For Bob's sake! I also feel that way. But what I don't want to see is Bob's mysteries death or being nation security suppressed as so many other great OU inventors. Bob has the patent pending protection, If his unit was replicated around the world then his threat level and suppresion decreases to almost zero.

My unit, if I get it to work will not last long as will other replications of Bob's design. It will take a lot of engineering and premium materials to have a steady runner. It is only a proof of  Bob's design.

So just from what I recall of your post:

The springs are latched. He starts the machine with both set of springs latched to allow the machine to get up to minimum running speed. The weight boxes due to the sling outward, hit the edge at a much higher force than the static CF force that maintain the rotor in position. If you don't lock the springs they will throw the rotating unit back and cause a dreaded roller smash. I've seen it and got the smashed roller supports to prove it.

The first 4" of lift is done with the springs and the cam over 45 degrees spin. This is easily done because the springs when released help lift the weight boxes up. The next 8"+ over 30 degrees spin is done with a actuator arm (6/36 lever) and his supercharger. I believe the supercharger is based on the compressed air saved during the CF sling force capture at center using some type of bellow shock. Then, If you have a air jack it could follow up the lift arm with little psi but could be fully released for the 8"+ and supercharge the second lift. I'm sure there are many other methods that would accomplish the same lift.

The cam follower has a roller at 2.5" from pivot center and at 10" past is connected to a 24" lifting arm to the weight box (per Bob). When the 2.5" roller is lifted .8" than the 10" past is lifted 4". So it only requires 1.6"+ lift on the 2.5" roller to get the 8"+ using the 6/36 lever and the air jack.

Regards, Larry
       

 

LarryC,

you wrote: For Bob's sake! I also feel that way. But what I don't want to see is Bob's mysteries death or being nation security suppressed as so many other great OU inventors. Bob has the patent pending protection, If his unit was replicated around the world then his threat level and suppresion decreases to almost zero.


You say he already has the patent pending protection, if so then what is the hang up?  why can we not access it?  If Bob has it, he should be shouting it from every roof top and forum page. Get it on PESwiki and Alternate Energy News. If he doesn't then, yes he is taking a chance of possibly shortening his life span. The percentage of that span will be directly proportional to the efficiency of his machine.   

So just from what I recall of your post:

The springs are latched. He starts the machine with both set of springs latched to allow the machine to get up to minimum running speed. The weight boxes due to the sling outward, hit the edge at a much higher force than the static CF force that maintain the rotor in position. .

I am sorry but this is not my description, you have me confused with someone else. My version has no mention of springs being latched. True the machine must be preloaded to start, true the weight boxes are  forced outwards at a higher force than achieved by CF alone.

If you don't lock the springs they will throw the rotating unit back and cause a dreaded roller smash. I've seen it and got the smashed roller supports to prove it.

At this time unless I build it, I see no need to lock the weights or springs as once 'out' CF will hold it there until it is time to cycle. But then again If I build I will not be using a cam and levers.   

Due to certain parties alleged to be in direct working contact with Bob, (and I lean heavy on the term "Alleged") I have taken the incentive to divulge myself with what is known of Bob's machine. I  feel that I have grasped the concept and  can improve upon a second generation of his design.

I also feel that I have uncovered some obvious discrepancy in the video of Bob unscrewing a disc brake pad to manually start the pre-set machine. A minor concern is the number of turns he applies to the crank, count them!  Ask yourself, how far must an automotive disk brake travel to either stop or free a wheel. I am not talking about a caliper brake as found on a bicycle here.     

I do not know if you have personal contact with bob and/or what he has told you in confidence,  I have a problem believing your present course is the correct one or should I say; the way Bob's wheel allegedly works.

 What I have conceived from knowledge at hand could be detrimental to Bob if I were to post it at this point. when I am confident that he has a patent application number in hand, then I will speak more freely and post the excerpt  that I previously edited out. 

In the meantime I am attempting to make first and third party contact with him so that a caucus type exchange can bring us to a mutual understanding. In the meantime I do not wish to upset his apple cart!  If I do not get an answer within a reasonable time I will go forth on my own accord.  I am not looking forward to this approach  but if Bob refuses to move forward then I see no alternative. If his machine is truly a runner then he is already in possible jeopardy.   

My research has lead me to a compiled list of manufactures and distributors for everything required to build a facsimile of his machine as seen in the side view photo. We can all free source our own machine once the patent drawings become available. The current drawing found on his web page is not what I have in mind. 

Ralph Lortie   
 

Hi everyone. Glad to help. I also found a site that has different mechanical animations. It really helps to see how a cam actually works, in real life.
This is the page with different cam designs. If Bob said he used a cam then it has to be something borrowed from there.

http://www.technologystudent.com/cams/camdex.htm

The index at the top of the page takes you to other mechanical animations. Hope this cuts down on some design time.

Very interesting, thanks again yaz. Actually I had googled for cam info before and didn't find near this amount of infomation.

Regards, Larry

Larry,

I understand and I give you kudos for attempting to build from the context of available knowledge. My main concern and reasoning for delay is that a lot of this information is not compatible with the visualization we have in the videos and still shots. I am hesitant in fear of seeing another Charles Campbell scenario taking place here! 

I have a contact who claims to be advising Bob on marketing and utilizing procedures. He also claims to have influence on what we see posted on his web site. At the same time he admits that he has not seen the machine or knows whether it runs or not. This person I speak of, I trust without question. He is very far away from Bob, so he has delegated a close friend to go look at Bobs status and check out his machine. I have been advised that I may expect an update  within the next week or before the end of the month. Not that it is going to matter much to us as individuals, but if it does work and Bob gets it patented and on the market then we can all sing "hallelujah and start building for personal use.

If its another Charles Campbell story then we all return to where we should be anyway, and that is either at the drafting table (Cad for some) or the shop pushing onward.   

Now back to your endeavor: There are a number of things contained in the still picture that I believe are a must, I will mention three of them. Hydraulic cylinder,  a valve body and the air compressor you see under the workbench to the far right in the picture. The machine may be either hydraulic or pneumatic, for inertia and response time I  prefer pneumatic. All those hoses and fittings are there for a reason, and I do not believe it is just for show!  In fact it would not surprise me to find electronic circuitry controlling solenoids.  (Note what looks like wires hanging down toward the hydraulic piston rod)

There is a lot in this picture that the normal observer would either dismiss or overlook. All the tie straps and wires, the hose leading to the air compressor the location and reasoning of the axis on the pulley located on the back side.

A 565% increase in picture size on a quality monitor will bring up a lot for conversation. How many members noted the washing machine discharge hose laying on the work table.Is it a component for the machine?  Is that air compressor what I think it is? a Sears Craftsman actually built by DevilBliss? 

What about those so called latches on the compression springs, I fail to see any! And are the bellows from here? http://www.ibcbellows.com/?gclid=CJSSm7WI_ZYCFRg6awodET_HXg or here
 http://www.airoil.com/v6/index1.html   my choice is the first link!

Ralph Lortie