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valveman · « **Reply #510 on:** September 29, 2008, 01:02:04 AM »

I'm on the fence on this one. I'm awaiting the big bang that will show us all that this is indeed a working machine. There are many questions to be asked as to the validity of this design. Also I really don't care whether you share my thoughts or not. The simple truth is it either works or not. So far no indication it actually works. Pictures are of poor quality as well as the videos. If you are 100% convinced it works, then good for you. I'm not here to change your mind. I will however ask questions so I can better understand what's going on. If anyone is offended that I question the validity of an unverified design, well that's the way it goes.

LarryC · « **Reply #511 on:** September 29, 2008, 01:15:44 AM »

Quote from: Pirate88179 on September 27, 2008, 06:46:47 PM

@ Larry:

I appreciate your attitude. I still believe the pump in the photo was connected to the device, but, of course, I could be wrong. So we can agree to disagree on that. As far as the hoses you mentioned, I am not sure which photo you are speaking about? Would you mind posting the photo and maybe put an arrow to the hoses or just describe where they are? I just want to make sure I am not getting confused on which photo is of which device. I have seen a device with the high pressure hoses and then I have seen a device with just regular plastic air lines of much smaller diameter. I believe it is normal for a guy like Bob, or any of us for that matter, to have several variations of a device as it progresses through its design stages. This part does not bother me at all.

On the photo in a recent above post, I do see the "switching" mechanism someone mentioned on the shaft of the device. Yes, to me this appears to be a timing control device of some kind, which makes sense. What I am not sure about is where the power comes from to run these pick-ups? I know he has it hooked to a generator but the output from that would, to my way of thinking, be too high, and also, not consistent as it would vary with rpm's. If it were me, I would run the switches off a battery and then dump the generator juice into the battery, or bank of batteries. What are your thoughts on this?

Again, I appreciate your attitude in wanting to discuss this as opposed to argue about it. The only person that really KNOWS for sure is Bob. I guess the best the rest of us can do is to speculate, guess, discuss, and exchange ideas and theories. Take care.

Bill

@Bill,

Your attitude has been great as well.

Used your photo and the crumpled hose is just to the left of the text.

The photo from reply #515 with the switching is of an older machine. But I've always thought it was similar the the Creative Science Fuelless Gravity machine. Which has an option of using compressed air or electromagnetic as power.

I agree with your statement "I guess the best the rest of us can do is to speculate, guess, discuss, and exchange ideas and theories." and would like to add that those that can should try to replicate.

I've included some pic's from my latest Bob build.

The Full length of machine pic show the whole machine attached to a piling and a support 2X4 in front. Trust me none of the stuff to the rear of the piling will have anything to do with the running of the machine.

The Roller and Irwin clamp pic shows to the right the roller on the weight box which will ride the inclined plane to lift both weight boxes. The Irwin clamp tensions the bungee cord and can lock at variable distances and just a touch of the release handle will release it. I can add more Irwin clamps and change to springs, but that will be based on testing. Bungee cord are much easier to adjust during testing. The Irwin clamps can handle around 150 lbs of force.

The Center roller shows part of the ceiling fan rotor bar with bearing support. The back side has another bearing support.
The unit rocks back and forth like a pendulum with a slight touch.

The Sliding door roller pic is from the rear and shows the 1/2" angle iron bar with adjustable height sliding door rollers supporting the weight box. The unit slides easily with no weights in the boxes when just above level.

I have to add some centrifugal slam shock absorbing material and some additional bracing. Also, I have to cut my variable rise inclined plane, so maybe by this coming Friday I'll have some test results. Also, with this design if the variable rise inclined plane doesn't work, I'll be able to add the center cam and articulating arm that Charlie and I showed.

Regards, Larry

unity2zero · « **Reply #512 on:** October 02, 2008, 10:43:20 AM »

Quote from: LarryC on September 29, 2008, 01:15:44 AM

@Bill,

Your attitude has been great as well.

Used your photo and the crumpled hose is just to the left of the text.

The photo from reply #515 with the switching is of an older machine. But I've always thought it was similar the the Creative Science Fuelless Gravity machine. Which has an option of using compressed air or electromagnetic as power.

I agree with your statement "I guess the best the rest of us can do is to speculate, guess, discuss, and exchange ideas and theories." and would like to add that those that can should try to replicate.

I've included some pic's from my latest Bob build.

The Full length of machine pic show the whole machine attached to a piling and a support 2X4 in front. Trust me none of the stuff to the rear of the piling will have anything to do with the running of the machine.

The Roller and Irwin clamp pic shows to the right the roller on the weight box which will ride the inclined plane to lift both weight boxes. The Irwin clamp tensions the bungee cord and can lock at variable distances and just a touch of the release handle will release it. I can add more Irwin clamps and change to springs, but that will be based on testing. Bungee cord are much easier to adjust during testing. The Irwin clamps can handle around 150 lbs of force.

The Center roller shows part of the ceiling fan rotor bar with bearing support. The back side has another bearing support.
The unit rocks back and forth like a pendulum with a slight touch.

The Sliding door roller pic is from the rear and shows the 1/2" angle iron bar with adjustable height sliding door rollers supporting the weight box. The unit slides easily with no weights in the boxes when just above level.

I have to add some centrifugal slam shock absorbing material and some additional bracing. Also, I have to cut my variable rise inclined plane, so maybe by this coming Friday I'll have some test results. Also, with this design if the variable rise inclined plane doesn't work, I'll be able to add the center cam and articulating arm that Charlie and I showed.

Regards, Larry

Hi Larry

Does these rollers and weights sliding along the 1/2" angled irons moves very easily? Let say if I tilt it at an angle of 15 degree from horizontal with both weight balanced in the middle, will it slide easily and forcefully towards the other side of the lower end?

Thanks.

LarryC · « **Reply #513 on:** October 02, 2008, 04:03:44 PM »

Quote from: unity2zero on October 02, 2008, 10:43:20 AM

Hi Larry

Does these rollers and weights sliding along the 1/2" angled irons moves very easily? Let say if I tilt it at an angle of 15 degree from horizontal with both weight balanced in the middle, will it slide easily and forcefully towards the other side of the lower end?

Thanks.

Yes to both questions. Sliding door rollers are usually made to run on a track with a 1/8 round center edge and the 1/2" angle iron has a 1/8 round edge.

Regards, Larry

unity2zero · « **Reply #514 on:** October 05, 2008, 04:06:56 AM »

Quote from: LarryC on October 02, 2008, 04:03:44 PM

Yes to both questions. Sliding door rollers are usually made to run on a track with a 1/8 round center edge and the 1/2" angle iron has a 1/8 round edge.

Regards, Larry

Hi Larry,

I think what Bob had done is contrary to ideas he had given on the description of his gravity machine in this forum. Since you have built one with the sliding weight as what he had said, you couldn't possibly start or kick off the machine at the vertical or 12 o'clock position as all the weights are at the bottom. But if you observe Bob's video carefully, he started off at this vertical position which couldn't possibly be.

Xaverius · « **Reply #515 on:** October 05, 2008, 04:45:18 AM »

Quote from: valveman on September 29, 2008, 01:02:04 AM

I'm on the fence on this one. I'm awaiting the big bang that will show us all that this is indeed a working machine. There are many questions to be asked as to the validity of this design. Also I really don't care whether you share my thoughts or not. The simple truth is it either works or not. So far no indication it actually works. Pictures are of poor quality as well as the videos. If you are 100% convinced it works, then good for you. I'm not here to change your mind. I will however ask questions so I can better understand what's going on. If anyone is offended that I question the validity of an unverified design, well that's the way it goes.

I tried to contact him as well, in March or April I believe. Stefan wanted to know if anyone telephoned him. He said he has his number. Would you consider calling him? I agree, the videos are too dark and unclear and the stills leave too much to the imagination. I think a good schematic with an accompanying theory of operation would be best for all would be replicators. Anyway, like you I hope this works but at the moment it's kinda frustrating trying to figure this thing out.

noonespecial · « **Reply #516 on:** October 05, 2008, 06:02:38 PM »

Quote from: unity2zero on October 05, 2008, 04:06:56 AM

Hi Larry,

I think what Bob had done is contrary to ideas he had given on the description of his gravity machine in this forum. Since you have built one with the sliding weight as what he had said, you couldn't possibly start or kick off the machine at the vertical or 12 o'clock position as all the weights are at the bottom. But if you observe Bob's video carefully, he started off at this vertical position which couldn't possibly be.

I don't want to presume to speak for Larry however.....

Bob's machine uses a secondary actuator arm that lifts the weights up after the initial cam lift. You can see this more clearly at the very end of the video where the weights are raised and stay in the up postion after it stops. Larry however, is experimenting with an alternate variable ramp mechanism that doesn't need the actuator arm.
Regards,
Charlie

LarryC · « **Reply #517 on:** October 05, 2008, 11:53:12 PM »

Quote from: unity2zero on October 05, 2008, 04:06:56 AM

Hi Larry,

I think what Bob had done is contrary to ideas he had given on the description of his gravity machine in this forum. Since you have built one with the sliding weight as what he had said, you couldn't possibly start or kick off the machine at the vertical or 12 o'clock position as all the weights are at the bottom. But if you observe Bob's video carefully, he started off at this vertical position which couldn't possibly be.

Bob may have just put a small piece of metal in the roller edge as a jam, then a string could have pulled it out at 3:00. There are many other ways and none of them would need to be obvious. I used this at first but I had a problem with the bounce back effect of my shock absorbing material after the CF sling capture. It is the medium weight black material where the boxes would impact in both pictures.

I've included a picture of a light weight catch. It is the aluminum bar with the 45 degree slide at the top edge of the weight box. It latches as the box gets close to the end. At an rpm of 60 it would not be needed as the CF force will hold the boxes without bounce back. Bob air shocks were probably of the type that would have not bounce back.

The latch does work but I'll be changing to another design as that area has a tolerance issue with the incline plane.
I don't have the release mechanism for the Irwin clamps on yet, but it won't take long after I get a new light weight catch setup.

I've included a picture of the variable rise rate inclined plane. With a good push from 2:00 it causes the CF sling and capture in the Irwin clamp. When the machine is standing still in vertical, both weight boxes cannot push the Irwing clamps to bottom (1/2 way), with the CF sling it bottoms out.

Also included the latest version of my spreadsheet as I needed to account for the shorter radius in the Lift Ratio and length calculations as the boxes moved up to midpoint plus 1". I've also added a Lift in degrees column.

Regards, Larry

hartiberlin · « **Reply #518 on:** October 06, 2008, 12:07:43 AM »

Hi Larry,
nice design.
Maybe you can post soon a video of it on youtube or anywhere else,
so it gets more clearer.

Many thanks in advance.

Keep up the good work.

Hope to see soon someone visiting Bob
and take some videos of his current design.

Bob are you still here ?

What about your latest progress ?

Regards, Stefan.

LarryC · « **Reply #519 on:** October 07, 2008, 06:44:33 PM »

@Stephan,

Thanks and I will post a video as soon as I get the bugs worked out.

@All,

I was testing the unit varying the weights in the boxes and the weights at the edge of the unit when it misfired and fell straight down into the back end of the inclined plane. See pic of gravity slam.

So while the inclined plane is great at varying the lift ratio in proportion to the CF force, it is in a dangerous position. I could change to a heavier roller support, but something else would end up breaking. Bob mentioned several times about making sure the forces don't tear the machine apart.

So I am going to go back to trying a center cam and actuator arm for the lift as Bob stated. It would be in a much less dangerous position, but it will be more challenging to build.

Regards, Larry

Pirate88179 · « **Reply #520 on:** October 07, 2008, 07:24:18 PM »

@ Larry:

Wow! A lot of force is needed to do that kind of damage. Good luck with your revisions...don't give up.

Bill

squegee69 · « **Reply #521 on:** October 10, 2008, 06:44:20 AM »

Larry-

Hope Ike has not got you down. We managed to get everyone back to Alexandria okay after all the crap, but we really enjoyed some cajun cooking here in Dallas while they were with us. Good luck and keep up the good work! Your last couple of posts have been very EXCITING!

Peace
-Sq

LarryC · « **Reply #522 on:** October 10, 2008, 04:43:26 PM »

Quote from: squegee69 on October 10, 2008, 06:44:20 AM

Hope Ike has not got you down. We managed to get everyone back to Alexandria okay after all the crap, but we really enjoyed some cajun cooking here in Dallas while they were with us. Good luck and keep up the good work! Your last couple of posts have been very EXCITING!

Hi Sq,

Thanks, I'm still hanging in there. Ike and Gustov both had about the same winds and flooding. One tragedy, I live in a salt water area, but with the salt water intrusion, lots of animals came out of the fresh water marsh to the North, many died on the highway. See Ike 1 pic for the water level.

@All,

I've included pictures of a Cam and actuator arm test bed. I don't have a simulator, so it was the easiest way to work out the mechanics before I add actual mechanics to the unit. The picture are confusing in that they all look like the Cam and actuator arm are rotating. When in actual use the Cam and actuator arm are fixed to the supporting base. Just the unit with weight and lever are rotating around. So if you rotate the pic and keep the Cam and actuator arm at 45 degrees it may make more sense.

It is hard to see but around the cam I have clock positions. The times worked out as follows:

Lift inches Time
0 3:15
4 4:20
13 5:15
19.5 6:15 (no pic)
21 7:15

The act arm starts a more aggressive lift after 4", then after the lift phase it continues to hold the unit up at top until just prior to restart at 3:15 again. Holding the unit at top is only necessary at the start, until the CF forces take over at a certain RPM. The levers have a pivot on the end, 2.5" to the roller and 10" past as in one of Bob's statements.

The larger piece of plywood is 20" wide (close to Bob's). The levers will be on the back side of the unit and would be completely hidden at top thru 3:30

The lever pivot holes are 3 5/8 from the cam center and 3/8" to top/bottom of the horizon. The cams base radius is 1 3/4" and has a .80" lift at 45 degrees, after that the act arm takes over.

There are many ways to make a act arm, this is just one possibility. With the previous inclined plane I calculated the lift ratio to be proportional to the CF force. In this case, I can calculate the lift ratio for the cam and act arm, but with two offset different size rotating radius, it is much more complicated to calculate the total. Can anyone with a simulator help?

Regards, Larry

noonespecial · « **Reply #523 on:** October 10, 2008, 09:07:43 PM »

Bob,
If you are still reading this thread, we would appreciate your comments on LarryC's design.
Thanks,
Charlie

4Tesla · « **Reply #524 on:** October 12, 2008, 08:21:53 AM »

Larry.. looks like you're getting close.. Would Bob be willing to draw detailed plans? It sure would be nice. I don't think Bob has his totally self powered as I think he also used an air compressor to help move the weights. That is fine if you can generate more power than the compressor uses.

Jason

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