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Author Topic: New accelerating gravity wheel ! Converted video from www.newenergymachine.com !  (Read 656202 times)

4Tesla

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I think this might help.. I have attached two graphic to explain my idea of the springs.. not worried about the position of the wheel to explain.. not at 4, 6, and etc.

Jason

Edit: Centrifugal force should hold the weights in place until the next release.
 

broli

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That's the same thing really. The "pulling" you refer to will come back later as pushing so there are no loses in that. But as is I realized every turn gravity sucks energy out of the springs by pulling the weight down while it's going up when it's released.

4Tesla

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What I am showing is that with the springs attached to the weights.. there isn't enough force to compress the springs.. not attached.. more force.  It is not the same.

Jason

Edit: Also I'm talking about real springs.. not bungees.  Bungees store energy when pulled.. springs store energy when pushed.

LarryC

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Oke scrap that. The weights not going all the way back is not due to loses but due to gravity  ;D. When it goes back up gravity pulls down on it constantly so it will just barely make it. The bad thing is that extra cm push I talked about is actually a lot of energy....

Btw here's the video...

http://ziosproject.com/NJ/bobW1.avi

As you can see it doesn't go beyond the lock.

Great work and nice first shot. But it seems that the the RPM's is too slow to get the centrifugal sling that is required to bypass gravity and the springs seem to overwhelm the whole process. My unit did not bounce around like that. But please keep at it as it looks promising.


@Jason,

Springs are normally sold as compression, extension, or torsion. Bob K used compression springs on the ends and the shock type bellows in the middle (would consider as compression springs with more control).

Also, I don't think the centrifugal force will hold the required force in place, it requires the capture of the centrifugal slam force to help in the next cycle.


@Charlie,

Very interesting that Bob stated the shock type bellows latched the weights. Tried to look for it in his pic, but having a hard time finding any clue. Any insight!

Regards, Larry

4Tesla

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I think that the compression type is the key.. latch the panel to store the energy then release at 4, which would push the weights and then centrifugal force pulls them the rest of the way to the other end and the spring at that end gets compressed, and then the panel gets latched and stores the energy to be released at 4 and the cycle goes on.

Jason
« Last Edit: August 28, 2008, 02:20:22 AM by 4Tesla »

broli

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I believe then mine and maybe even Larry's weight are going way to far. Maybe the offset shouldn't be that big...will experiment with this.

noonespecial

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@Charlie,

Very interesting that Bob stated the shock type bellows latched the weights. Tried to look for it in his pic, but having a hard time finding any clue. Any insight!

Sorry, no. I went back and tried to step through the video again frame by frame but the frame rate is low that everything is just blurred as you know.
Short of having Bob come back and tell us how he's doing it, I'm afraid we are left to speculate and experiment until we discover something......
Regards,
Charlie

noonespecial

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@Charlie,

Very interesting that Bob stated the shock type bellows latched the weights. Tried to look for it in his pic, but having a hard time finding any clue. Any insight!

Sorry, no. I went back and tried to step through the video again frame by frame but the frame rate is low that everything is just blurred as you know.
Short of having Bob come back and tell us how he's doing it, I'm afraid we are left to speculate and experiment until we discover something......
Regards,
Charlie
[Edit] Sorry for the double post...having a hard time lately accessing the forum again..... ???

LarryC

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I believe then mine and maybe even Larry's weight are going way to far. Maybe the offset shouldn't be that big...will experiment with this.

Hi Broli,

I tried to check out your statement by analyzing the Bob machine pic in reply #286.

Bob's shoe size seems to be around a 9, really sorry Bob to get personnel but your disappearance leaves us no choice.
Considering that shoe size, then the plate weights seem to be a 10" x 14" rectangle. In the pic a semi V support structure seems to be holding the center of the unit. The upper weight plate held by the bellow shock seems to be 5 to 6" from the center of the unit. If the plates are moving 24" then you should be able to use this info for the offset. My original version seems to be close.

Regards, Larry   

noonespecial

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@All
OK...here's my take on the air cylinder(s). I tried to catch a screen shot of what I believe is the air cylinder that he is using. There are other objects to the immediate right that look similar but I don't know what they are. Bob does mention that he uses 3 techniques to raise the weights..air cylinder, cam and actuator arm. I don't think this will work without all 3. Let me know what you think.
Regards,
Charlie

noonespecial

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Hmmm. I just noticed what looks like the bottom air cylinder just below the top of the table in the foreground. So perhaps my drawing is pretty close to what he is doing.......
Charlie

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Greetings Charlie and Larry C

 Send me an email to ab.hammer@yahoo.com, and I will send you a confidential video. I don't want this video to be published, but it might give you some help on your project. It is one of my almost runners and it has a similar problem of what you have been facing. Then we can talk on the forum, I just don't want to show the video or any drawing of it.

LarryC

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OK...here's my take on the air cylinder(s). I tried to catch a screen shot of what I believe is the air cylinder that he is using. There are other objects to the immediate right that look similar but I don't know what they are. Bob does mention that he uses 3 techniques to raise the weights..air cylinder, cam and actuator arm. I don't think this will work without all 3. Let me know what you think.

Yes, Charlie your air cylinder accumulator theory does sound very feasible. Still it dishearthen me a little as I find it would be expensive to duplicate.

But, my guess in your 3 ? in the vid pic seems to be the springs uncompressed in the top line off the 3 ?, and the top end  of the weights in the bottom line off the 3 ?.

BTW, I have new slender weights boxes built which weight 2.5 lbs with the patio door rollers installed. But weights can be added to it from 1 to 12 lbs in each box. Picture it more like a double axe blade without the flair. I have the 24" roller guides cut and pre-drilled to be attached to the supporting arm.

I spent my spare time today putting up hurricane shutters as I am in SE La. and waiting for Gus.

Hopefully it turns away and I can get out tommorrow to pick up the parts for the main arm.   

Regards, Larry



noonespecial

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Yes, Charlie your air cylinder accumulator theory does sound very feasible. Still it dishearthen me a little as I find it would be expensive to duplicate.

But, my guess in your 3 ? in the vid pic seems to be the springs uncompressed in the top line off the 3 ?, and the top end  of the weights in the bottom line off the 3 ?.

Yes....makes perfect sense.


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BTW, I have new slender weights boxes built which weight 2.5 lbs with the patio door rollers installed. But weights can be added to it from 1 to 12 lbs in each box. Picture it more like a double axe blade without the flair. I have the 24" roller guides cut and pre-drilled to be attached to the supporting arm.

Are going to be using your new design with gradual return curve?

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I spent my spare time today putting up hurricane shutters as I am in SE La. and waiting for Gus.

Hopefully it turns away and I can get out tommorrow to pick up the parts for the main arm. 
 

Stay safe my friend. I hope it changes direction for your sake as well. Talk to you soon....
Charlie

4Tesla

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Hi Larry,

Yes, be safe with the hurricane.. hope it misses your place!

Jason