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Author Topic: New accelerating gravity wheel ! Converted video from www.newenergymachine.com !  (Read 556366 times)

Offline LarryC

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Thanks.. I'll take a look.. I was going off memory from a year ago.. It has been quit some time since I've been to this forum.. the only thing I don't know is starting point and how long it take for the weights to get to the other side, the ending point.. I'll look at the drawings and might make another graphic.


Please see Bob's reply at #83 for the 4:00 statement. That is the machine I would like to build, not the creative science version. It has all the design that is needed in #192 link.

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Hi everyone.

Sorry if its not in the right place but I got an idea...

The gravity weel represented on the pdf file from post 192, the is a king of pump on the below right?

So what if instead of using compressed air or elector-magnetic thing, we use a king of piston with a strong north north magnetic repultion?

You will say but you'll lose the energy to clode the magnet each other equaly that they will be repulsed.

Ok so now what ifwe had a king of hamster weel, where the buttum magnet is, moved by a belt or something from the gravity weel. And we use mumetal all around the weel but the part the gravity weel need the more strengt to go.

The gravity wheel can go down freely and when it slow a bit, the magnetic field is released and kick up the wheel.

I know the will be some energy losses with another weel and belt but its gonna be very light so...

I know my english is howfull and my poor vocabulary it's not helping ...

Could that be of any help?

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btw, I got some people to impress so if its the thing who change the world, can you guys talk about me?

we could even use a more usual weight moved gravity wheel instead of the original fly wheel of this plan no? It would at least give more inertia energy...

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Please see Bob's reply at #83 for the 4:00 statement. That is the machine I would like to build, not the creative science version. It has all the design that is needed in #192 link.

Regards, Larry 

Thanks Larry!  Good luck with your build.. keep us posted.  I don't totally understand how the springs and latches work.

Jason

Offline LarryC

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Thanks Larry!  Good luck with your build.. keep us posted.  I don't totally understand how the springs and latches work.

Jason

I also don't know. Will have to learn.

@Walter Singletary,
Are you still out there? You're machine was working in your second to last post. Any pics, drawings, help would be appreciated.

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I also don't know. Will have to learn.

@Walter Singletary,
Are you still out there? You're machine was working in your second to last post. Any pics, drawings, help would be appreciated.

Regards, Larry

Larry,
If you figure out the latch and lever mechanism, let me know. I've got a small model completed up to that point.

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Larry,
If you figure out the latch and lever mechanism, let me know. I've got a small model completed up to that point.

Sure, and I hope that anyone else watching will do the same. I've seen many failed gravity machines, but I think this one has a good chance because of the capture and reuse of the centrifugal force. The work by Veljko http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/OscilacijeEng.html shows there is available power from centrifugal force created by gravity and Bob seems to have found out how to apply it more directly.

I have attached all of Bob's comments that I could find on this thread to help with the build.

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Offline 4Tesla

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Thanks for compiling his comments!  Yes I think this device has potential!  Also some of the magnet gravity wheels look like they could work!

Jason

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Here's my take on how this potentially works.

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Offline LarryC

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Here's my take on how this potentially works.

I've included a heavy gate latch pic that may work for heavy compression springs, may require two if jamming. Even a regular door lock with a handle could work depending on the spring strength. The handle could be hit with a stop to release.

Not sure if you're trying to recreate Bob's machine. But he used the huge centrifugal slamming force created as the weight is slung from the mid position to the edge. The spring and latch is used to save that energy to help with the hardest part of the reset(first couple of inches) at 4:00. First with a cam then a lever. But please ignore my comment, if you're just trying a new design.

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Hi Larry,
Thanks for the reply.
Seems that I have it backward :P. Yes, it makes more sense to use the springs the way you mentioned.

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Offline LarryC

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Hi Larry,
Thanks for the reply.
Seems that I have it backward :P. Yes, it makes more sense to use the springs the way you mentioned.

Great, looking forward to your next drawings. Also, the two people that have created this machine before (Bob and Walter) have not been heard from since. Now it could be they got to close and the machine clobbered them or whatever, don't know. But it is best to keep everything open for safety.

Also, please keep in mind, that the latch has to occur at the end of the centrifugal slam before the springs can push back and loose the centrifugal force gain.

Regards, Larry

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Hi Larry,
I went back and re-read the comments that you put together from Bob. There seems to be a couple of scenerios given that I'm trying to reconcile:

"The way to lift the weight to the opposit end is at the 4:00 oclock position an  arm from the centre, on a cam mecanisum to the end of the arm (2.5 ft) is forced around and lifts the linked weights 1" farther than 1/2 the total travel. Centricical force will lift it the rest of the way. It acts like a leaver 2.5" to centre and 10" past.The farther it pushes the weight from the bottom the easier it gets.The first 2" is the heaviest. "

Does this mean "the rest of the way" to the center or to the other end?
 
and:

"The unit works by raising the weight up to the top at the 12:00 o clock position and the lower weight follows as they are connected. A cam mechanism picks up the weight in the center of the wheel and raises them up approximately 4". After the cam, the actuator arm brings it the rest of the way. (8").    

So is it centrifugal force or an actuator arm?
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Offline LarryC

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Hi Larry,
I went back and re-read the comments that you put together from Bob. There seems to be a couple of scenerios given that I'm trying to reconcile:

"The way to lift the weight to the opposit end is at the 4:00 oclock position an  arm from the centre, on a cam mecanisum to the end of the arm (2.5 ft) is forced around and lifts the linked weights 1" farther than 1/2 the total travel. Centricical force will lift it the rest of the way. It acts like a leaver 2.5" to centre and 10" past.The farther it pushes the weight from the bottom the easier it gets.The first 2" is the heaviest. "

Does this mean "the rest of the way" to the center or to the other end?

Here he means to the other end.
 
and:

"The unit works by raising the weight up to the top at the 12:00 o clock position and the lower weight follows as they are connected. A cam mechanism picks up the weight in the center of the wheel and raises them up approximately 4". After the cam, the actuator arm brings it the rest of the way. (8").    

So is it centrifugal force or an actuator arm?

Here he means to 1" more than half-way.

Picture it being slung like a skeet from the slinging mechanism but using the momentum built up in the Bob's device.

Checked some hardware out this morning. Thinking of using steel flat bar and the heavy grooved rollers that are used under a patio sliding door for the weight carrier. Got any better ways in mind?

Regards, Larry

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Has anyone heard from Bob or what has become of his machine lately?

 

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