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Author Topic: New accelerating gravity wheel ! Converted video from www.newenergymachine.com !  (Read 609075 times)

Offline 4Tesla

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@Larry

I would like to see more details of your prototype.. I think this project has potential!  I have wanted to make one using magnets.

Jason

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It uses an air cylinder to lift the weight to a balanced position. evidently it does this at the 6 oclock position and then centers both weights so they are spinning on center. I think then it goes like that for one rotaion and then it is shifted off center again for the next power stroke. It would make more sense to do the shifting at the 5 oclock and 11 oclock positions since they are spinning and have enertia there would not be much loss at all and shifting the weight at 12 oclock would not produce any torque so doing it at 11 oclock would be better.. one thing that is rarely mentioed is that there is added torque acceleration when you pull the weight inwards. think of a figure skater when the are spinning and pull their arms in which make them speed up their rate of spinning. so one could actuall gain turning force in the action of centering the weights. off centering them can be done by centrifugal force when its up to speed, these two could cancel each other maybe.

I ordered plans for this device October 2007.  According to the website it is guaranteed to work.  I never built it because the solenoid looked labor intensive and I wasn't sure it could deliver the required energy, although I'm planning on performing some mathematical calculations in the near future to see if it's feasible.  I think what makes me wonder is if this company, Creative Science has plans for a working device, then why isn't it manufacturing them?

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@Larry

I would like to see more details of your prototype.. I think this project has potential!  I have wanted to make one using magnets.

Jason

When Bob's website was up and operating he encouraged people to e-mail him for more information. I did e-mail him about six months ago but received no response.  I still really don't understand how his machine works.

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Hi (and sory for my english)

This is my idea: 2 weights with 3 tooth gears:
- big tooth gear in centre - stationary with 2*N tooths
- two small tooth gears with N tooths

When wheel not moving, everything is balanced in all position.
But when wheel moving, we have additional forces - something like in Milkovic patent.

Below I attach GIF animation.

SM

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Hi (and sory for my english)

This is my idea: 2 weights with 3 tooth gears:
- big tooth gear in centre - stationary with 2*N tooths
- two small tooth gears with N tooths

When wheel not moving, everything is balanced in all position.
But when wheel moving, we have additional forces - something like in Milkovic patent.

Below I attach GIF animation.

SM


The wheel seems to be balanced in every position, having a 0 net torque. How would it accelerate in your opinion?

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Offline LarryC

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@Larry

I would like to see more details of your prototype.. I think this project has potential!  I have wanted to make one using magnets.

Jason

Okay, Still keep in mind that I don't actually have the springs and the second required lever. The first clock position at 4:00 was stated by Bob. The rest are just my best guess without actual testing.

Pos 1: shows the arm at 4:00 where the springs would be unlatched and a cam would be used to lift the first four inches with the help of the energy from the compressed spring. The cam is shown at 8:00, it would actually be placed under the top of the circle, with curve starting at 10:00. At this point you can only see the one black weight at the end, the other one is under the orange above center.

Pos 2: The arm is now at 4:30 and the cam has finished its lift and the green slide is just starting to hit the actuator lever to pull the weights a little over half way. Now you can see both black weights.

Pos 3: The arm is now at 5:30 and the actuator lever has slide off the green slide. At this point the centrifugal force should take over. Now the black weights are just a little over balanced to the top.

Pos 4: The arm is now at 6:00 and the spring would have been compressed and latched by the centrifugal force slam.

After this, the unit would go around and start the process again with the second actuator lever(missing).

Please keep in mind that I am trying to replicate Bob's self-powering motor shown at the beginning of the peswiki article, not the creative science version.

Regards, Larry

 

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What do you think of starting at 6-8 instead of 4-6?  Edit: Bob probably tried both.. We'll stick with 4-6.  I'll make a graphics version, to help others understand how it works.

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I hope this will better show how this device works.

I have made a graphic of the movement of the weights (the best I could.. not good at graphics).  The two weights are attached together and move together.  At illustration "A" or at "4:00" the weights will be pushed up half way by a spring, air, or magnet.  At illustration "B" or "5:00" the weights have moved up half way.  At illustration "C" or "6:00" centrifugal force pulls the weights up the other half to the top.  At illustration "D" start the cycle over at "A".

Jason

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I hope this will better show how this device works.

I have made a graphic of the movement of the weights (the best I could.. not good at graphics).  The two weights are attached together and move together.  At illustration "A" or at "4:00" the weights will be pushed up half way by a spring, air, or magnet.  At illustration "B" or "5:00" the weights have moved up half way.  At illustration "C" or "6:00" centrifugal force pulls the weights up the other half to the top.  At illustration "D" start the cycle over at "A".

Jason

Well actually, this is incorrect. According to the build instructions from the website, the wheel is off-balance only from 12:00 to 6:00. At 6:00 the weights are pushed back into equilibrium for the remainder of the cycle. Just before 12:00 the stored energy is released forcing the weights off-balance again. Otherwise the wheel would slow down and stop.

Offline 4Tesla

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Well actually, this is incorrect. According to the build instructions from the website, the wheel is off-balance only from 12:00 to 6:00. At 6:00 the weights are pushed back into equilibrium for the remainder of the cycle. Just before 12:00 the stored energy is released forcing the weights off-balance again. Otherwise the wheel would slow down and stop.

Is it 6 or 4.. I have heard both... anyway it shows how the device works.

Jason

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I assume that you have the same drawings? The ones I have show the actuator firing at the 6:00 position. However, the air cylinder is offset from the 6:00. Do yours show the same thing?

Offline 4Tesla

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I don't have any drawings.. are they in this thread?

Offline noonespecial

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There's a link in reply 192 to the actual drawings and details of a very similar machine.

Offline 4Tesla

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Thanks.. I'll take a look.. I was going off memory from a year ago.. It has been quit some time since I've been to this forum.. the only thing I don't know is starting point and how long it take for the weights to get to the other side, the ending point.. I'll look at the drawings and might make another graphic.

Thanks again,
Jason
« Last Edit: July 23, 2008, 11:09:52 PM by 4Tesla »