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Author Topic: New accelerating gravity wheel ! Converted video from www.newenergymachine.com !  (Read 507775 times)

Offline AB Hammer

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LOL I like it when he cries help!! LOL

The biggest problem I am looking at is, it is over complicated. This can cause more to break down. I am sure the thing is noisy and look how it shakes around. For starters he need a much greater structure just to run it. But he is still to be watched. IMHO


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@ Alex,

The patent which can be found in one of the earlier posts shows a general arrangement of the concept. The machine has evolved in several forms but the basic idea is simple and not really as complicated as it may appear.

Basically he is shuttling a heavy slider weight to the top of a rotating arm or track.  He started with Pneumatic cylinders but has progressed to hydraulics. The cylinders are attached to the rotating arm or track on one end and to the slider at the other end. Air or oil in the later variations is fed from a electric motor/ hydraulic pump power pack thru a swivel valve in the center of the shaft and feeds control valves at each cylinder. An actuating valve is placed on the rotating arm and is triggered by a lever which is fixed to the base structure.  When the arm rotates to a preset point on the high side the trigger valve is activated and allows oil or air in the earlier versions to force the cylinders to move the slider to the highest point in the rotation and make that side heavy, and since the low side of the slider has moved to the center most position the opposite side of the arm is now light.  When the High side of the arm falls thru the arc because of gravity it again triggers the valve to shuttle the slider to the opposite end of the arm repeating the cycle.

Various versions of his machine show different triggers for actuation.  On one version he used electric solenoid valves fed by a commutator on the rotating center shaft. The valves were 12 volt so that is why you saw a auto battery in that version.

The reason the machines are so massive is that more weight means more torque and centrifugal force as it rotates.

In the three arm version that he has, the slider weights are individual and not attached to each other. These have individual triggers for each arm to shuttle the slider/weight to the high side at approximately the 12 o'clock position and to a more central position after the 6 o'clock position for each arm.  Same concept only a more elegant design.

The design is quite sound and obviously produces a lot of torque.  You have to admit that no one would put that much time and money into a project without having real and productive results. This is no stick and glue project. No one would make so many versions of a design if they were not confident that the net force gained was not worth the effort.

Watch this man. This is a real contender!

Vince
« Last Edit: October 01, 2010, 06:07:40 PM by vince »

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So at the end of the day, its electric assisted to raise the weights up? Where is there excess power coming from?


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Offline vince

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Although he never says it, the claim is implied that the amount of electrical power used to run the power pack to move the slider is LESS that the generator is producing due to the torque added from the falling weights and the centrifugal  force components in the equation.

I really doubt that he would have gone to these lengths to make so many expensive examples of the machine if the results were not positive.

Maybe a more appropriate name should be Electro/Hydraulic Gravity Assist Motor Generator.

Vince
« Last Edit: October 02, 2010, 09:42:43 PM by vince »

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Vince:

I totally agree with you.

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Offline Alexioco

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To me that is quite disappointing really, I was hoping for a pure mechanical solution like Bessler... Still clever though. The way Bob explained his wheel at the start of this topic sounds like a pure mechanical solution he has discovered. He talks of a cam and various other things...

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It actually started that way!  He even wrote back to this forum (when he was communicating with us) stating that the machine needed no external power. On one of his first web pages he stated that he had originally made a purely mechanical system,but there was not enough gain to do any useful work,so he started working with his present system.

The concept is not that unique.  There is at least one other patent (can't find it right now) that uses external power to move the weight, and quite a few years before Bob came on the scene David Wagoneer of Creative Science was and  still is selling plans for a similar gravity machine that uses an externally base mounted cylinder or high voltage electro magnet to move the slider just like Bobs machine via a cam lever. Someone made mention to this in one of the very earlier posts in this thread but it went largely unnoticed because everybody was lead to believe that Bob's system was purely mechanical with no external input, and it was originally.

I'm not sure if Bob was influenced by this design or not but it is very similar.

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Not to brag, but i was one of the folks in the early days to blow up some of his photos to show a hydraulic tank with an electric motor powering the tank.

This is why I agree with Vince.  Maybe the topic was misnamed?  If he indeed has found a way to get more out than input using gravity, more power to him but, as Vince pointed out, the topic name is misleading at best.

Bill

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http://www.newsourceofenergy.com/Machine-1%20%28copy%29.wmv

Finally a good video where one can see, how it works.
Many thanks to Bob for posting this.

Looking forward to see some measurements of the output power versus input power.

Many thanks.

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Me too.

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It actually started that way!  He even wrote back to this forum (when he was communicating with us) stating that the machine needed no external power. On one of his first web pages he stated that he had originally made a purely mechanical system,but there was not enough gain to do any useful work,so he started working with his present system.

The concept is not that unique.  There is at least one other patent (can't find it right now) that uses external power to move the weight, and quite a few years before Bob came on the scene David Wagoneer of Creative Science was and  still is selling plans for a similar gravity machine that uses an externally base mounted cylinder or high voltage electro magnet to move the slider just like Bobs machine via a cam lever. Someone made mention to this in one of the very earlier posts in this thread but it went largely unnoticed because everybody was lead to believe that Bob's system was purely mechanical with no external input, and it was originally.

I'm not sure if Bob was influenced by this design or not but it is very similar.

Vince

Does anyone have a complete understanding of how the pure mechanical version worked? Would be interesting to examine and thanks for the info and time Vince


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Re: New accelerating gravity wheel ! Converted video from www.newenergymachine.c
« Reply #821 on: November 02, 2010, 02:56:03 PM »
It actually started that way!  He even wrote back to this forum (when he was communicating with us) stating that the machine needed no external power. On one of his first web pages he stated that he had originally made a purely mechanical system,but there was not enough gain to do any useful work,so he started working with his present system.

The concept is not that unique.  There is at least one other patent (can't find it right now) that uses external power to move the weight, and quite a few years before Bob came on the scene David Wagoneer of Creative Science was and  still is selling plans for a similar gravity machine that uses an externally base mounted cylinder or high voltage electro magnet to move the slider just like Bobs machine via a cam lever. Someone made mention to this in one of the very earlier posts in this thread but it went largely unnoticed because everybody was lead to believe that Bob's system was purely mechanical with no external input, and it was originally.

I'm not sure if Bob was influenced by this design or not but it is very similar.

Vince

so, had he really been on the right track, he could've had the first mechanical device powering a generator needed for the second device to work with a propper torque (or a series of devices, which would produce motion with no external source).


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Does anyone know whats happend to Bobs website, it says "just around the corner". Well it must be over two months since I read that... Is it dying down or..?

Alex

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everything is always "just around the corner"........ depresses me lol

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Very one in the world has to see this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6gaN8gRs5A

 

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