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Author Topic: New accelerating gravity wheel ! Converted video from www.newenergymachine.com !  (Read 581753 times)

Offline AB Hammer

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OK guys Videos sent.

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Hmmm. I just noticed what looks like the bottom air cylinder just below the top of the table in the foreground. So perhaps my drawing is pretty close to what he is doing.......
Charlie

You guys are probably on the right track.  Looks like a lot of pneumatic equipment laying around Bob's workshop.  Also could be an air shock modified to act like a piston.

Peace all.

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Thanks,

Charlie and Jason for the well wishes, but I just hope these storms would just go back to normal size before global warming occurred. After getting wacked badly and surviving Katrina, that is my main reason for being here.

@Charlie,
Are going to be using your new design with gradual return curve?

Yes, that will be my first shot, but with the new weight box/patio roller slide design I'll be able to have the cam at the outside or the center, or any combination of cam/inside/outside plus lever.

Still hoping Broli can reduce the tweaking time!

Regards,
Larry


 

 

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OK guys Videos sent.

Thanks AB. However, it would have been more helpful if you showed it stopped and then starting.
I'm also a little confused about how you want to proceed. If you want your design to remain proprietary, how do we discuss it here in an open forum?
Regards,
Charlie

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Greetings Charlie

 I just got off the phone with Larry C. It is looking like he may have to go to higher ground.
In the video I sent you, I am wanting you to look at the springs. They tended to make the wheel flywheel neutralizing the slide. They will work against what you are trying to do, but lighter springs will help smooth off the vibration and jarring you are going to have. I will be finishing a newer version of that wheel with a new arrangement,  That is the reason I didn't want it shown. I have 2 others to finish first.

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Hi AB,

I just got off the phone with Larry C. It is looking like he may have to go to higher ground.
Maybe this stupid hurricane will head more toward Mexico eventually. Let's keep our fingers crossed....:)
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In the video I sent you, I am wanting you to look at the springs. They tended to make the wheel flywheel neutralizing the slide. They will work against what you are trying to do, but lighter springs will help smooth off the vibration and jarring you are going to have. I will be finishing a newer version of that wheel with a new arrangement,  That is the reason I didn't want it shown. I have 2 others to finish first.
I've looked at your video several times and paused it throughout but I'm still unsure. Are the springs coming from the center and connect to the other pieces that form the top part of the 'Y'?

Thanks,
Charlie

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@ Charlie

 The springs are attached around the axle and to each end of the sliding weight.

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Hi AB,
OK, I understand now what you are getting at.
In Bob Kostoff's design, the springs aren't attached to the weights at all but only act as a cushion to 'catch' the slung weight. If you can find the photo that Larry posted of one of Bob's early designs, you can see it plainly.
Larry showed attachment points for his bungy cords and my Phun simulation showed springs attached similar to yours but in reality, the weight are free to travel back and forth on their own.
My current belief is that the 'prime mover' for the weights is a double ended pneumatic cylinder that stores energy when the weights are forced upward and reuses that energy during the next half cycle.
Regards,
Charlie

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Greetings Charlie

 You are correct, Bob used springs as shock and a compressor to shift. In his video you will see the air system jerking around from the air pressure as well as other things shaking.

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Greetings Charlie

 You are correct, Bob used springs as shock and a compressor to shift. In his video you will see the air system jerking around from the air pressure as well as other things shaking.

Hi AB,

I know that one version of the Creative Science machine uses a compressor to drive it but Bob claims that there are no air lines or hoses connected to his machine. In response to a comment that he was using his compressor to drive the machine he writes,"Hi Stephan. Just thought I would give you a little message and let you know I am back home again. I still go to therapy but things are comming along.
The compressor in the movie is what I was the machine was driving to do some usefull work. The machine wasn't ballanced and the board that is moveing is used as a shelf or small table. There are no hoses or airlines conected to it."

It remains to be proven out and unless he is simply putting one over on us, it would appear that he is shuttling air pressure from one cylinder to the other and accomplishing the lift. Theoretically, this is possible but will need to proven.

BTW, LarryC hasn't chimed in lately which is a good sign that hopefully he is high and dry and safely out of harm's way.
Regards,
Charlie


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 greetings Charlie

 Here is an experiment to do for that question. Take two large shot needles and put them together end to end. You push one plunger in and the other goes out. You can do this on and on but think how much pressure do you think it will take to push up a weight and then you turn it over and push. Now think how can that weight you are pushing up push itself up. This is what is sound to me is being said. I have looked at Bobs machine over and over and there are allot of air lines on it. The worst thing about his video is that there is no sound which IMO would have allot of air sound in it. This still doesn't mean any less important, for there can still be OU if it is making enough electric to run the compressor to run itself.
 

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Good morning AB,

[snip]You can do this on and on but think how much pressure do you think it will take to push up a weight and then you turn it over and push. Now think how can that weight you are pushing up push itself up. [snip]

I agree. However, herein lies the supposed genius of Bob's machine. We aren't only dealing with static weight like on an overbalance wheel. We have the added phenomenon of centripetal force....like on a trebuchet. It allegedly goes that when the weight passes the center point during the lifting stage, it is accelerated to the end and creates many times the normal force (f=ma). This 'additional' force is then captured in a combination of compressed springs and compressed air pressure to be reused to easily lift the non-accelerating weight only half way during the next half-cycle. Again, theoretically this makes sense and is what we are hoping to prove.

Regards,
Charlie
« Last Edit: September 01, 2008, 04:11:01 PM by noonespecial »

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greetings Charlie

 Here is an experiment to do for that question. Take two large shot needles and put them together end to end. You push one plunger in and the other goes out. You can do this on and on but think how much pressure do you think it will take to push up a weight and then you turn it over and push. Now think how can that weight you are pushing up push itself up. This is what is sound to me is being said. I have looked at Bobs machine over and over and there are allot of air lines on it. The worst thing about his video is that there is no sound which IMO would have allot of air sound in it. This still doesn't mean any less important, for there can still be OU if it is making enough electric to run the compressor to run itself.
 

Hi   Ab Hammer
I had emali contact with Bob Kosthoff and asked wim about the need of compressed air.
He told me, that there is no need of extern supply with compressed air.

It might be of use to contact him directly via email and ask for details.
So please lets chose one to contact him.

We might ge an answer

helmut

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Hi Helmut,
I wrote to Mr. Kostoff a couple of weeks ago but got no response. He is either ill again or is ignoring the energy forum paparazzi :).
Charlie

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Hi   Ab Hammer
I had emali contact with Bob Kosthoff and asked wim about the need of compressed air.
He told me, that there is no need of extern supply with compressed air.

It might be of use to contact him directly via email and ask for details.
So please lets chose one to contact him.

We might ge an answer

helmut


@ helmut

 In Bob's video it was obvious of an outside air source, the connections under the table that kept jumping with the device. That doesn't mean that he didn't have a newer way afterwords. But I don't think anybody has seen it.

@ Charlie

 CF is its strongest between 8:30 and 3:30 on any thing that goes around due to gravity (think pendulum). And the only way it can work on it's own, is if it is it's own air compressor. That is the reason I gave you that simple test. But I will look into the possibility and see what can possibly be done. I love solving problems.