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Glad he is still around.. looks like he is now working with HHO..

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Just a little note to let you know I have taken a brake from the machine for a little bit and have been working on the electrolysis machine. So far I have been able to produce a liter of hydrogen every fifteen seconds or so. After the weekend I hope to have the volume increased to 1 liter every second. Just have a few things I have to work out and after I install a filtering system, it should be good to go.

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I've been playing with the weight return portion of this which seems to be the most challenging part. I've put together a drawing based on some of Bob's comments that possibly could work. However, it would rely heavily on the potential compressed spring energy.
Take a look and let me know what you think.

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I've been playing with the weight return portion of this which seems to be the most challenging part. I've put together a drawing based on some of Bob's comments that possibly could work. However, it would rely heavily on the potential compressed spring energy.
Take a look and let me know what you think.

Great thinking. Set it up on Knex and works correctly except for the cam setup. Glad you figured out that 2.5" and 10" comment. The cam setup may have to be changed "A cam mechanism picks up the weight in the center of the wheel and raises them up approximately 4". After the cam, the actuator arm brings it the rest of the way. (8")."

Wondering which video could you see the mechanism?

Regards, Larry


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Great thinking. Set it up on Knex and works correctly except for the cam setup. Glad you figured out that 2.5" and 10" comment. The cam setup may have to be changed "A cam mechanism picks up the weight in the center of the wheel and raises them up approximately 4". After the cam, the actuator arm brings it the rest of the way. (8")."

Wondering which video could you see the mechanism?

Regards, Larry


The only video that I've seen is the one where he is standing next to it. Just to the right of where he is initially standing you can see some arms bobbing up and down. I've watched this video several times and what's interesting about your quote above is that the weights only appear to travel the 12" distance before the start of the first revolution and the very last before he stops the machine. If you watch the connecting arm as it goes around it doesn't appear to move very far at all???

Can you show a video of Knex working?
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Offline 4Tesla

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Is Knex a software simulator?

Edit: found it on google.. it is a construction set..

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OK....its official. I'm a total idiot! I can't believe that I missed this part. Stay tuned...I think I have something that will get us closer!

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Can you show a video of Knex working?

A video wouldn't help, to hard to move without falling over. So I took the start and end picture. The ruler is hard to see in the second picture, but the center pivot point moved from 5 1/2" to 7". Glad you asked though, it doesn't seem enough of a percentage move.

It seems like a lever of this kind would have to be on the fixed lower base and would be picked up as the arm hit 4:00 and released and spring back as the centrifugal force takes off with the weights.

Regards, Larry

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This thought came to me while I was mowing the lawn and I went back and looked at the video again. I don't believe that he ever really said that the weights traveled back and forth like I originally envisioned. The video (which is really hard to see...I wish Bob would take mercy on us and throw us a few more hints :) ). Anyway, it would seem that this, while its still probably not exactly what he is doing, would take less effort to achieve. Let me know if you don't understand what I tried to show.

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This thought came to me while I was mowing the lawn and I went back and looked at the video again. I don't believe that he ever really said that the weights traveled back and forth like I originally envisioned. The video (which is really hard to see...I wish Bob would take mercy on us and throw us a few more hints :) ). Anyway, it would seem that this, while its still probably not exactly what he is doing, would take less effort to achieve. Let me know if you don't understand what I tried to show.

Forgot to mention your earlier comment about the arm not moving. Had seen it, but though it was due to the high speed of the arm, taking more time to sling the weight.
 
About your new design, easier but don't think it is what Bob's was doing. Look at the pic that I attached. At the bottom of the arm you can see the four springs being pressed down by the weights and the four rods pushed thru. At the top you can see the unpressed springs with the contact bar that the weight would hit. It appears that the weights are sliding on/between the wide flat steel bars on each side. The weight connecting bar must be behind the arm, offset to miss the center axle. Just hope we don't need the large shock and piping. I think the base has the actuator arm and cam, see the metal bars. Unless it junk, what purpose other than to assist?

Regards, Larry


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Hi Larry,
I remember seeing this earlier design on his website. This one obviously doesn't rotate. I think the article that referred to this picture mentioned that it went back and forth like a see saw.
(edit) This was the sentence I was remembering but I guess it did rotate.....

"The machine ? which only requires a little bit of start-up juice before it creates enough power to sustain itself - works much like a teeter-totter, using a series of sliding weights that, with the help of the earths gravitational pull, force the unit to continue spinning around in a circle."

The latest one from the 2007 video seems to be quite different. I stepped though it second by second and it didn't appear that the weights moved very far at all and seemed to rotate which is why I thought about this new design.
Take another look at the video and see what you think.

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Hi Larry,
I remember seeing this earlier design on his website. This one obviously doesn't rotate. I think the article that referred to this picture mentioned that it went back and forth like a see saw.
(edit) This was the sentence I was remembering but I guess it did rotate.....

"The machine ? which only requires a little bit of start-up juice before it creates enough power to sustain itself - works much like a teeter-totter, using a series of sliding weights that, with the help of the earths gravitational pull, force the unit to continue spinning around in a circle."

The latest one from the 2007 video seems to be quite different. I stepped though it second by second and it didn't appear that the weights moved very far at all and seemed to rotate which is why I thought about this new design.
Take another look at the video and see what you think.

In the video, after the  brake release and the other side comes around you can see the large shock that is in the picture. I still think the picture is a front view of the machine in the video. The front view is deceptive as the two flat side plates can be very thin.

Also, think that the weights are just moving later when the machine is at high speed. In fact, the machine would probably need some kind of speed related timing cam and actuator arm changes to work at it's most efficient at different speeds.

Regards, Larry

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Hi Larry,
I made some modifications to my last design and I think I will go with that one. Mainly because I have the material on hand and second, I'm still in the dark with regard to Bob's. If I can get it to work, I'll be back and post my results. If you get Bob's design to work, let me know.
Best,
Charlie

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Hi Larry,
I made some modifications to my last design and I think I will go with that one. Mainly because I have the material on hand and second, I'm still in the dark with regard to Bob's. If I can get it to work, I'll be back and post my results. If you get Bob's design to work, let me know.
Best,
Charlie

Okay, best of luck on your build.

I noticed something else in the picture. Right below the weight close to the center is a bellow shock (need to blow it up to see it). The air cylinder tubing is run to the center and distributed to the bellow shocks with other tubing. He may not be using springs here because the cylinders energy can be stored and release when needed. This way he only has to have a latch that can handle the end springs in compression. Makes the 'machine will tear itself apart' comment, more understanderable, now that I see he is absorbing the impact of both weights.

Since I do not plan on building a machine that large, I still hope it can work just using springs on both weights.

Regards, Larry

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LarryC:

Thanks for posting that picture.  I think I learned a lot when I zoomed in on it.  This is the best
photo of this device I have ever seen.  You can even read the clock in the background. (2:05)

I have been following this topic for a long while now.  After seeing this photo, I believe this guy might have actually done it.  The hydraulic hoses bothered me for a while but now I see they rotate with the device and appear not to lead off to a pump anywhere next to the machine.  Thanks again for the photo.  Much better info than in the video I watched.

Bill

 

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