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Author Topic: New accelerating gravity wheel ! Converted video from www.newenergymachine.com !  (Read 535050 times)

Offline WalterSingletary

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In my opinion as long as he has a system that works he is doing a humanitarian deed, And is a Genius!
It is going to be a great year!

The question I have about his design is what powers the actuator arm to move the weights to the center 12?? Maybe the air strut catches the impact and stores air pressure that can be recycled? (Just thinking aloud)   ???
« Last Edit: January 02, 2008, 06:24:29 AM by WalterSingletary »

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Offline dutchy1966

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I think he already said before that the cylinders and springs store the impact energy to help lift the weight(s) at the 6 o'clock position.....where it is released by a lever. Seems to make sense, compress the air cylinder during rotation and release it at the right position to (help) shift the weight up by half a stroke......

Bob if you're reading this can you confirm?

thanx!!

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Robert

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Hi all,

I have been following what Bob has said and have tried time ago to do something similar with little means. The idea of Bob is that if you put a weight at 12:00,  it weighs A times 1. When the pendulum reaches 6:00, and depending on the lenght of the pendulum and the mass of A, with the addition of the centrifugal force plus the gravity acceleration, the energy obtained by A is A times N, which can be 4,5, or six or more times.

If you harness that excess energy gained by A,  and transmit it to weight B, that is at the opposite end pendulum of A, and presumably of same mass A at the center of the axis, where energy is collected, but at a state of idleness, or so to speak at a state of petential force of energy, since it is connected to mass A, who has collected all the cinetic energy, and gives/transmits it to the connected B mass,  you make it rocket to the end of the opposite pendulum B, receiving the energy obtained by A during its transit from 12:00 to 6:00, and carrying along mass A, which has encountered an end to its journey and ceases to continue gaining cinetic energy, stops and yields what it collected to B. Here you are initiating the whole process again though B.

It is simple but difficult to harness. From what Bob has unveiled, which is not extremely clarifying, it gives some light on how he has done it, with springs and shock absorbers that work pneumatically, that retain the energy gained and release it through trinkets positioned at the right place and moment. That is the reason for the tubes present in the pictures. I bet that they are crossed and exactly the same lenght on each side of the machine.

Since there are trinkets, stops, sliding wights, shock absorbers, springs and other friction supporting elements, if the whole device goes the way it should, we have to see how long it goes without maintenance or mechanical failure. In his video he mentioned a brake to make it turn at the right pace of revs per minute. That is another potential point of failure through friction which he has supposedly overtaken.

Anyway, if it works for a week without maintenance or little care it is a great success since it can be resized to yield much greater power and we can all start to go short on shares of oil companies.

Lets be cautiously optimistic and congratulate him if he has done it.

Happy New Year to all.

Fernando

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Offline helmut

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Bob
Thanks to you for disclose it so far.

Will you sipply us a Video as well. Cant wait to see. :D
 
again Thanks very much.

helmut

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Hi again,

What Bob says to have done is a doble pendulum with two atached weights that slide back and forth collecting the gravity plus centrifugal force to deliver its energy through the axis at which they are attached to the other mass that is rotating, to turn a wheel that will turn a generator at a given pace to obtain electricity deliverable directly without going through complicated or expensive rectifiers or other electrical conversion means. That is why he needed a certain pace of revolutions per minute, reduce friction and make the machine feasible to operate without much constant control.

The wheel obviously could go faster if it was allowed to bang on the extreme of the pendulum and transmit the energy to the other mass, should it not be attached to the first one. But, at the begining he said that the machine would destroy itself if it were left free because the energy would keep multiplying endlessly. That is pure logic.

So he needed to bring it to a pace through some means because he has only one generator tied to itself.

With a given mass and lenght of the pendulum, should the axis have different pulleys attached to it, in parallel, it could move more generators  conected to it, sequentially until it and came to a point of resistance in which the pace would harness all the possible energy that by multiplication the machine could yield, without going through the risk of a fast pace, a high amount of friction and a sure and early decay of the materials he employs to build it. Therefore a sure an early mechanical failure. Moreover, the electricity obtained would be exponentially higher.

Since he does not calculate the amount of energy obtained in order to calculate the size of the generator/s that could be attached, he has deviced his machine to operate with one at a soft pace that will keep the machine operating at a reasonable and conservative pace.

But if you let the pendulum run at its potential, this is another means of extracting all the energy that the double opposite pendulum with the two equal masses can deliver in theory.

lets hope he sends us soon a nice, clear and enlightening video of what he has done.


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Offline The Eskimo Quinn

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Hate to burst anyones bubble, but I don't see any free energy, it is possible the device may have some over unity effect at the end of the day but not likely.

I think a little less excitement and step back and think about this from a physics perspective in basic form. Seeing physics flaws is my best attribute, sometimes it may take a day for it to click what it is, usually about 10 mins is good enough, this took about 5 mins.

1) a wheel of many descriptions and designs can be design to drop and turn past the start point many times, usually the most common is the arm that rotates once or twice before stopping.

DO WE ALL AGREE????? I am sure we do that this is common.

Now take one of these very very very very basic designs and add one thing.

OK "WHAT" is the one thing that now makes bobs machine?????

A brake !! the brake slows or stops the machine at the top of the second, third or whatever cycle in which the device is capable of maintaining centrifugal force, and then releases the device to start it again.

to gain a visual perspective of a well known device that has a long running momentum ability, picture the drinking glass bird, now imagine at some point during the swing cycle you hold the bird so it fully refills or partially refills to perpetuate the action.

The flaw is the brake, the mechanics required is massive force IE massive friction IE massive energy, thus the mechanical man and the power required to operate the brake at the required time would most likely outweigh the energy gained.

let the machine start to turn and stand back, if can keep turning without a brakeman, then i am more than impressed, but I imagine if it was the case of a working machine it would be in a local shopping mall on a trailer every day and at local universities for all to see and take notes (unless he intends to patent the device) in which case publication of the device voids patent ability in most countries except the US. so he would have a US only patent. (the US often allows publication for 1 year prior to patent, but not most other countries, certainly not Australia, Britain, and most of Europe where it would have a value) So disclosure by film has destroyed most of any patent claim anyway.

It's a nice drinking bird Bob, show me the eagle soaring without the brakeman.

Sadly it looks like it took a huge amount of engineering to rebuild the bird on a huge scale.

So my gift for Bobs effort will be to give him one of the first copies of the Sword in June, (at least with no power bill he'll eventually get his money back.)

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eskimo quinn,

your statement made you look like a complete idiot.  can you think or even concieve of a better way to use braking?  if not may i present for your concideration, a load, like a generator!!   wow you say i never thought of  that , what a dumbass i must have been.  if the generator still doesn't slow the machine then a brake may be appropriate again, however if this is the case why not just add another generator?  maybe that would be too much power for some people!!  dumbass
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lol
sam

ps: oh, i see now, maybe we don't need a friction brake at all.  except for testing.

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Offline The Eskimo Quinn

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what a nice polite response, supersam, then I'm sure that if i am wrong and such a -----, then you can enlighten us all by showing us the machine free spinning without a brakeman, I'm sure bob will oblige.

As for going so fast it will self destruct, i think basic physics even for a working perpetual motion machine will hit the speed limit wall as determined by the weight of the counterweight maximum momentum force, that is of course you understand that concept, oh sorry thats right that was missing from all of Bobs posts, his site and every reply to the device thread, that exponential force can never be applied as a term to momentum conducted by a set weight, or did I miss the counter weights getting fatter??? Oh large sponges that absorb moisture so as to gain weight and momentum. Genius !!! Hats off. well done how silly of me (would that make him sponge Bob?)

My apologies superman.

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The unit works by raising the weight up to the top at the 12:00 o clock position and the lower weight follows as they are connected
. . . .

If the weights lift when the barbell is vertical or at 12:00 then the lower weight does a little more than just follow.  It doubles the load and doubles the effort needed to raise it 1/2  the diameter.

A single weight that develops energy over 180 degrees or a drop of twice the radius should equal two weights needing to be raised the radius (less losses due to friction, entropy, etc).

Bessler007, mib

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Offline fernando

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Hi all again,

I think that I have devised what Bob means. The idea of having two weights rotating or giving extra force, as just posed, is wrong. if weight A is at one end of the pendulum and B is attached to it, but at the center of rotation, when A rotates 180 degrees, B is rotating at the center of the axis, so to speak at a point of radius 0 or the center of the circle, so it does not add any weight and therefore does not give any energy to accelerate with gravity plus centrifugal force.

In order to give you an idea of what I once devised with reciprocating pulleys of two masses, I understand what Bob has done.

Imagine two parallel shifts, rods, bars or any kind of means that work as a pendulum. Both of them rotate in parallel. One of them is tied to the axis where it will delever the energy.

The second parallel shift or pendulum has attached two weights (A and B) of the same amount of weight or mass, and travel along the parallel pendulum back and forth. Both weights, since the are attached to each other move in sincrony along the radius of the circle,  they have a distance to travel which is exactly the distance between the axis, or the center of the circle and the end of the pendulum, that is, the radius of the circle.

In order to prevent mass A at 6:00 to break the end point, he has placed a spring there plus a stop end, where it will bounce back and get some backward energy to send A to the center. The rest of the system may be pneumatic or managed with springs tied to the center or anywhere else, in order to make mass A travel to the center of the circle at 6:00. Since mass B is attached with a fixed element, rod, shaft or whatever, it travels to 12:00 exactly after A has striked 6:00 when it receives the energy gained by A.

If that happens between 6:00, 6:02, 6:05 or 6:15 does not matter, the machine will make mass B position itself at 12:02, 12:05, or 12:15.

At that point, A becomes powerless at the center of the circle, while B becomes potentially powerfull gaining speed from gravity since it will travel to 6:00 and the cycle starts once again. Obviously, all this needs calculation of the force of springs, shock absorbers or whatever means he uses. Obviously, levers, trigers and other trinkets help B remaining at 12:00 at the end of the pendulum and A at the center of the circle. Otherwise it would not work.

Bob, not being a formal engineer, probably has arrived to it though trial and error, without calculations that would have saved him time and frustration.The bigger the mass and the longer the pendulum, the more power it will deliver. Obviously, there is friction in the machine and material wear through its functioning, but, if it works reasonably well, why not?. The longer it goes, the more energy it will deliver. Moreover, the slower it goes, the longer it will work before needing any maintenance, oiling of moving and frictioning parts and any susbtitution of worn parts, presumably the shock absorbers, levers and supporting points, not to count any of the moving belts he has installed.

On his benefit, the machine is simple, needs little to maintain it and you can make it bigger and put many in line to work on parallel to produce even megawatts, and what is more important, at a very little cost of manufacturing. It is a mechanical machine and quite simple, but very ingenious.

Now, what we need is Bob showing exactly how he moves his generator for a long time, without stops, maintenance or failure for a reasonable time.

lets hope this happens soon.

So far, what he says is the trick, the two attached masses, is right and it can work.

I am already thinking on how to try to replicate what he says.

by for now.


Offline fernando

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Hi all again,

I think that I have devised what Bob means. The idea of having two weights rotating or giving extra force, as just posed, is wrong. if weight A is at one end of the pendulum and B is attached to it, but at the center of rotation, when A rotates 180 degrees, B is rotating at the center of the axis, so to speak at a point of radius 0 or the center of the circle, so it does not add any weight and therefore does not give any energy to accelerate with gravity plus centrifugal force.

In order to give you an idea of what I once devised with reciprocating pulleys of two masses, I understand what Bob has done.

Imagine two parallel shifts, rods, bars or any kind of means that work as a pendulum. Both of them rotate in parallel. One of them is tied to the axis where it will delever the energy.

The second parallel shift or pendulum has attached two weights (A and B) of the same amount of weight or mass, and travel along the parallel pendulum back and forth. Both weights, since the are attached to each other move in sincrony along the radius of the circle,  they have a distance to travel which is exactly the distance between the axis, or the center of the circle and the end of the pendulum, that is, the radius of the circle.

In order to prevent mass A at 6:00 to break the end point, he has placed a spring there plus a stop end, where it will bounce back and get some backward energy to send A to the center. The rest of the system may be pneumatic or managed with springs tied to the center or anywhere else, in order to make mass A travel to the center of the circle at 6:00. Since mass B is attached with a fixed element, rod, shaft or whatever, it travels to 12:00 exactly after A has striked 6:00 when it receives the energy gained by A.

If that happens between 6:00, 6:02, 6:05 or 6:15 does not matter, the machine will make mass B position itself at 12:02, 12:05, or 12:15.

At that point, A becomes powerless at the center of the circle, while B becomes potentially powerfull gaining speed from gravity since it will travel to 6:00 and the cycle starts once again. Obviously, all this needs calculation of the force of springs, shock absorbers or whatever means he uses. Obviously, levers, trigers and other trinkets help B remaining at 12:00 at the end of the pendulum and A at the center of the circle. Otherwise it would not work.

Bob, not being a formal engineer, probably has arrived to it though trial and error, without calculations that would have saved him time and frustration.The bigger the mass and the longer the pendulum, the more power it will deliver. Obviously, there is friction in the machine and material wear through its functioning, but, if it works reasonably well, why not?. The longer it goes, the more energy it will deliver. Moreover, the slower it goes, the longer it will work before needing any maintenance, oiling of moving and frictioning parts and any susbtitution of worn parts, presumably the shock absorbers, levers and supporting points, not to count any of the moving belts he has installed.

On his benefit, the machine is simple, needs little to maintain it and you can make it bigger and put many in line to work on parallel to produce even megawatts, and what is more important, at a very little cost of manufacturing. It is a mechanical machine and quite simple, but very ingenious.

Now, what we need is Bob showing exactly how he moves his generator for a long time, without stops, maintenance or failure for a reasonable time.

lets hope this happens soon.

So far, what he says is the trick, the two attached masses, is right and it can work.

I am already thinking on how to try to replicate what he says.


On what Bessler007 has posted, he is right, the amount of energy needed to make B go from the center to 12:00 and A from 6:00 to the center is obviously double amount of weight, but...  A has bounced a little at 6:00, depending on the force of the spring that stops its natural travel out of the circle, but.. the amount of energy athat A has gained at 6:00 its 4 or more times its weight, so there is enough energy to collect to send 2 equal masses back to the starting point.



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Offline helmut

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Just as i see it

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Bob ads a new sketch to his site .
It explains a little more,how his system workes.
http://www.newsourceofenergy.com/Information.html

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I admit that I was worried when the page of Bob simply disappeared from the server for three or four days.

What he tells us is part of what is obvious, the amount of torque that he says it produces (1500 pounds), assuming a certaint point over sea level can indicate us approximately the amount of weight he is using, and assuming also, that the length of the radius of the device that he has disclosed is exact.

What is worrying is the delays in the results. I insist on what I said earlier, not being an engineer, Bob is using his imagination plus a lot of trial and error method in his procedure. The other worrying point is the amount of friction points in the device that will require a certain amount of maintenance that will reduce its cost effectiveness ratio.

In this case, maths can be defeated if what I assume, and Bob says, is that part of the energy gained is used to make the weights bounce back, otherwise, the device couldn't work.



Lets hope the best and wait for the first results in time of operation and output.

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I have no Idea,what Bob is able or willing to disclose.
But it makes sence to me,that he will first learn on his own mashine,what are the border marks on the design.
Perhaps he feels responsible for the Security of rebuilders.There is no sales and buisness aspekt according
to his mashine on the web page.
He might feel not save ,because of the Reaction that might came from "big ernergy mafia".

I will write to him ones more and ask,how we can help or support him.

If he would show a vid,that demonstrate the working mashine,i would buy plans as soon as possible and
many others to.
So either we wait,or we make it working with our own Ideas.

helmut
 

 

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