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Author Topic: New accelerating gravity wheel ! Converted video from www.newenergymachine.com !  (Read 444087 times)

Offline helmut

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@all
IS somebody able to describe the aktuator mechanism?

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Hi,
I'm new at this  web site and very interested in Bobs machine. I have worked on the topic some time after I learned from a patent in Spain about the possibility of harnessing centrifugal force from a mass to make it deliver power in a circle.  To my opinion, Bob is in the right path and seems to have achieved something that we already know. The problem is on HOW and if his machine does not build too much friction that will eventually ruin his purpose.
The physical principle is that the energy one mass turning can deliver is used to bring the opposite mass to the center of the axis at the very precise moment in which the first mass loses momentun on turning, and relays it to the second one that will act exactly as the first has done, that is, rotate freely so that the mass gains a lot of power in the centrifugal force and delivers it through the axel.
Springs, shock absorbers that transmit the energy to the othe mass, pins holding the first mass energy and releasing it to the other one when tinkered are the common means of the procedure. However, the problem is to tune it and how, as I said before. From the video it seems that you ese tubes as in any pneumatic mecanism.

The other problem I see form Bobs videos is that he uses a braking disk to help the machine rotate at a certain path and, something I have foreseen from the very beggining I started to work on this is the exponential energy delivered by the two masses on their centrifugal spining to be harnessed. If you do not harness it, the machine autodestroys itself. Thet is because the amount of energy obtained from the centrifugal turning of the two masses surpasses the resistance of the axis or the bolting to ground of the whole device.

Also, the braking disk means friction, apart from the one built in the sliding weights, and both of them will eventually bring to a stop the whole mechanism or destroy it though built in heat.

My advice to him is to downsize the weights and the whole mecanism and to reduce the diameter of the wheels to adjust them to the resistance of the generator so that the resistance of the generator in spining is used as an autobrake of the whole device, which is simple engineering on this topic. If he comes up with the proper size, there is no problem on making it produce energy constantly. The problem is not the amount of torque you obtain, as you say in your page. The idea is to get it working for a long time without mechanical failure. Once you get it, there is time to upscale it to the needed torque that a generator will need, and adjust the the size of the two masses.
I am eager to see and learn  know how he comes up with it.

If you do, congratulations, Bob.

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Re: New accelerating gravity wheel ! Converted video from www.newenergymachine.c
« Reply #152 on: November 06, 2007, 01:40:20 PM »
A vew days ago i got an email from bob.

quote:
Thank you for your interest in the machine. I am trying to respond to
all the Email that I have received, but that in itself is a big job.
I will be posting on the web site the progress of the construction of
the machine I am building at home. Hope to have it completed soon. It
will generate around 1200 foot lb. of torque @ 40 to 50 rpm. I have a
20K Watt generator that it will power.
And again, thank you for your interest.
Regards.....Bob

So he is still on topic.
helmut

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Re: New accelerating gravity wheel ! Converted video from www.newenergymachine.c
« Reply #152 on: November 06, 2007, 01:40:20 PM »
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Hi friends,

I hope Bob reads this post.

By Physics, what Bob tries to achieve is impossible. Yes? No?. I would say "Both".

Geting centrifugal force/energy from a spining mass is not impossible. I would stress that it is not new. And I do not mean that you have to put some energy into it to make it run. If it is done properly, you always get some more or a lot more from what you have put into it. If you do not do it properly, you get less.

What we are discussing is whether what Bob has made goes along delivering more energy than what he has put into it. And lets assume that is true.

The problem is that what you get from it will either STOP the machine at some point or, if you get less energy from what it delivers, it will accelerate and GABOOM, the whole invention goes through the garage door, the ceiling, both and maybe take you along with all the debris. Bob has probably experienced this, if what his first devices seemed to do, after what he has told us.

Bob says, and I do not have anything against what he says, that he has to unleash the brake and keep it partially on, with little pressure, so that the machine gets a regular pace and dos not run out of control. That means that the brake will eventually burn, no matter how small the friction is. And it also means that his device tends to accelerate, which is not what it should, in theory, do.

Now, there are means available today to have, either a refrigerated brake, or something else to prevent it from burning.

At this point I think there is enough topic for discussion. I am optimistic on the subject.

What I do not like is the encasing that he shows on the last posted picture of his device. If it is for protection, a good wire mesh could do perfectly so that we see what he has come up to.

Lets hope he tells us more about what he has done soon.

Regards

Fernando

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Re: New accelerating gravity wheel ! Converted video from www.newenergymachine.c
« Reply #154 on: December 02, 2007, 04:09:50 AM »
Bob and all,

Great work Bob!  How is the new wheel coming?  Anymore video or photos?  Looking forward to detailed plans on how to build.

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Re: New accelerating gravity wheel ! Converted video from www.newenergymachine.c
« Reply #154 on: December 02, 2007, 04:09:50 AM »
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Re: New accelerating gravity wheel ! Converted video from www.newenergymachine.c
« Reply #155 on: December 04, 2007, 08:37:25 AM »
*bump*

Anyone hear anymore from Bob?  It would be nice to see this confirmed as a real working gravity wheel... anyone get to see it in person?

Thanks,
4Tesla

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Hi friends,

It seems that Mr. Kostoff is perfecting his machine. On the 10th he posted a new message in his web.

Quote:"The Machining is tacking a bit longer than I had first estimated. With a little luck, I will have it finished around the end of December."

Lets hope that his luck -and ours- strikes on the right path and he comes up with something astonishing for the new year.

Season Greetings to all.

F.G.S.

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Re: New accelerating gravity wheel ! Converted video from www.newenergymachine.c
« Reply #157 on: December 13, 2007, 11:41:36 PM »
I hope so... I want to believe, but need more proof.  :)

4Tesla

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snore!

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Offline fernando

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Hi friends,

Bob seems to be moving forward, at least on the way he presents things. To the anouncement he made last week, he has changed the appearance and design of his page. Posts new data on what he is geting from the machine, as well as a new arrangement of the same videos. The third one is very clear, although the same one we have already seen, with the table in front jolting every time the device makes a complete turn.

Season Greeting to all.

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Hi all,

Sorry my english, but I have one question.

Any one knows how Bob's gravity wheel works (less more).
Why? Because in my project of gravity wheel I have only 2 mass and some toth gears. No springs, etc.
But my project is very very close to Bob's machine.

I will build my gravity wheel in next week - so, I verify my theory in practice.

Regards,
  SM

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Re: New accelerating gravity wheel ! Converted video from www.newenergymachine.c
« Reply #161 on: December 30, 2007, 05:12:57 PM »
Hi all,

Sorry my english, but I have one question.

Any one knows how Bob's gravity wheel works (less more).
Why? Because in my project of gravity wheel I have only 2 mass and some toth gears. No springs, etc.
But my project is very very close to Bob's machine.

I will build my gravity wheel in next week - so, I verify my theory in practice.

Regards,
  SM


Hello Korinsj
I guess at the time nobody knows exactly how it works. Bob told me ,that the rejektion works mechanic way.

In the German Sektion is a patentet wheel exposed.
Perhaps you can use some idea.At least it is a proof  that many People try to use Gravity to drive a wheel.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3821.0/topicseen.html
If you have Questions because of Germen Language,dont hesitate to ask.
But how do you go to handle your Work ?
 I would like you to Open Source your plans and provide us with Pics and
Video at a given time.So that a Replikation can be done, as soon as possible.
Or at least a sketch.
Good succsess

helmut
« Last Edit: January 02, 2008, 02:32:40 AM by hartiberlin »

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Bob updated his website. He tells in more detail how his machine works he said:  [I have 1 drive sprocket to machine and install on the generator, and then I have Free Power]. end : at the end of his update
« Last Edit: January 02, 2008, 05:37:57 AM by WalterSingletary »

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Here are the details posted:

http://www.newsourceofenergy.com/Information.html

The unit works by raising the weight up to the top at the 12:00 o clock position and the lower weight follows as they are connected. A cam mechanism picks up the weight in the center of the wheel and raises them up approximately 4". After the cam, the actuator arm brings it the rest of the way. (8").  Remember the weights are joined so they have only 1/2 the distance of the total travel before there is no resistance. (12" on a 24" stroke).
The force of the weights turning now push both the weights out to the end.
The first two inches are the most difficult, so the closer they get to the center position, the weights balance out. as they pass the balance point (12") they go out to the end by them self and need a sizable cushion to stop them.
Remember the trick is that the weights are joined and the resistance is lessened to 0 as they reach the halfway point.
To stop the weights from impacting, I used a set of springs and two 25" air cylinders to absorb the shock of the weights as they reached the end.
I hope this helps.  [I have 1 drive sprocket to machine and I have [Free Power].

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I thought it would work differently.
I did not know,that both weights are joined.
This way he is wasting power.
If he would only use one weight tobang against the peripherie and
use this impact energy to lift the other weight,
it would save him a lot of energy which could then be convered to
additional output power,as it would rotate faster then.

Regards,Stefan.

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Its supposed to work with a compressed air engine and he dont talk about it so what he is talked about is not really the true device.

Its like 2% of the device, nothing is explained in detail.

 

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