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Author Topic: New accelerating gravity wheel ! Converted video from www.newenergymachine.com !  (Read 446855 times)

Offline helmut

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Re: New accelerating gravity wheel ! Converted video from www.newenergymachine.c
« Reply #120 on: September 10, 2007, 06:06:37 AM »
Hi Tao and all,
the principle of this device is pretty simple.
I have understood it by now.

You can try it yourself very easily.

Just take 2 x 5 Liter  buckets filled with water.
One in each hand.

Now pull your hands 180 degrees apart and rotate the 2 water
buckets in a vertical plane.

See, how strong the centrifugal forces are and so the water
stays in the buckets and will not spread onto your head ! ;)

Now now retrieve one bucket , so that you hold it with a tightened
muscles, so it stays a bit less way from the center of rotation.
Now let this retrieved weight bang at 12 o?clock against a "mysterious"
wall, which transfers the bang energy to the nonretrieved full arm long bucket
at 6 o?clock.
This will make the 6 o?clock bucket jump into the direction of the center
of rotation.
The 12 o?clock bucket still stays full long arm out until it itself reaches 6 o?clock,
where the other retrieved bucket is again loosened at it hits also the
12 o?clock  "mysterious" wall, so the energy is again transfered down to the
other bucket at
6 o?clock , which will be retrieved then again into the direction of the center
and fixed their, until it is again let go at shortly before 12 o?clock.

So the lever arm from 12 o?clock to 6 o?clock will always be heavier
and the resetting is done via the immense centrifugal "fictitious force",
which is thus converted into a real force doing work !

Regards, Stefan.

@Stefan

Please make a sketch for those,who can not imagine that lesson.

helmut

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Re: New accelerating gravity wheel ! Converted video from www.newenergymachine.c
« Reply #121 on: September 10, 2007, 06:12:31 AM »
Site down http://www.newenergymachine.com/

Says it will be back in a couple days in the title................
it seems he registered a new domain name for this:

www.newsourceofenergy.com

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Re: New accelerating gravity wheel ! Converted video from www.newenergymachine.c
« Reply #122 on: September 10, 2007, 06:25:04 PM »
Stefan,

 I also would like a sketch, because Im having trouble understanding
what you mean.


 Thanks

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Re: New accelerating gravity wheel ! Converted video from www.newenergymachine.c
« Reply #122 on: September 10, 2007, 06:25:04 PM »
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Re: New accelerating gravity wheel ! Converted video from www.newenergymachine.c
« Reply #123 on: September 10, 2007, 09:18:22 PM »
need blueprint  :-\

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Look on the net, for a video of the innards of a wankel engine and then read again. Then you will get it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wankel_engine

About half way down, and on the left of the page will be an animation of the action of a wankel. Imagine the piston being a long bar, with a weight at each end, instead of the wankel's tri-corner unit. The piston changes position, ie, it flies down the right side with the weight way out there and as it approaches the bottom, it is slammed up to the center and the opposite end of the dual weighted bar (like a dumbell or weight bar with weights on each end) is slammed to the top. The whole arrangement  (the long dumbell bar with weights) is located on a flat or guide that is twice as long as the dumbell, and that rotates, while the dumbell is constantly trading ends around. Like the wankel engine, but with only two piston 'tips' instead of the wankel's three.

You will quickly see how the rotation and slamming combined with the "baseball pitcher" like action of tossing the end out like that will cause or create huge amounts of torque from a fairly small initial pulse, that is acelerated via the centrifugal force. It's like a underhand softball pitch that hits a wall at the bottom of the pitch or near the ball relase point, that forces it upward. This is done at the bottom of the motion for the same reason the pitch in softball is released at that point. It is the point of highest energy accumulation.

Imagine this: You have a softball in your hand. There is a steel bar running through the center of it. The bar is attached to your shoulder and sticks out just past it. Another softball is attached to the end of the bar that is just above your shoulder.

If you were to reach down, grab that softball,and move it up..the bar would slide through the rotating anchor that is at your shoulder joint, and the upper ball would begin to move in perfect sync with the lower ball. They are tied by this steel bar.

Now, rotate the softball (the lower one) around quickly and both will rotate, one ball way down low, and far out - the other, at your shoulder, rotating around the joint.

Now, imagine a wall in front of you, or a stump or the like. Now, you rotate the ball around, way way out, as far as you can, to gain energy for the pitch. But, when you go to release it, you hit the ball on the stump, near the ground. Pow! The forward momentum of the ball is ended, but the ball jumps upward, toward your shoulder. The one that was near your shoulder, goes up as it is tied to that steel bar that is anchored at your shoulder. The lower ball comes up to the shoulder point, but the other one goes way up! Now the upper one..which has swapped positions with the one you pitched.. will do the same as the first, as the steel bar they are both on and attached to your shoulder..will continue to rotate.

 So it's torque..accumulate.. slam! (swap positions) torque.. accumulate (energy).. slam!.. (swap positions)..torque .. accumulate (energy).. etc

That is the essential point of operation.

Now guys, did I get it right?
« Last Edit: September 11, 2007, 06:47:49 AM by Prophmaji »

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And to cross correlate for the fun of it, this is the mechanical equivalent of what you need to manipulate in energy manipulation of crystalline lattice structures. Basically a polarized hysteresis point. resonance, it is.

This is the key point in moray's capacitors which were excited via using Americum, polonium, etc. (like blowing across the top of a coke bottle) RF resonance of ground crystal based capacitors. He ground his capacitor dielectric out of a single pure crystal, and to a uniform size. He created a RF resonant polarized hysteretic helmholtz resonator out of pure powdered crystal dielectric, and the right shape, and charge levels.

Newer plastics have just been 'figured out' that have high levels of polarization, which will allow them to store over 7 times the energy of typical cutting edge 'current design' capacitors.

Moray managed to get one heck of alot more out of the polarization allowed by pure matched crystal powder. And the crystal is inherently resonant. In multiple ways.


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Is it me, or does it seem a little too early to call this guy the new Bessler?  I think we have seen about 60 seconds of video, max, with no evidence of there not being an external energy source.  This sort of reminds me of the X files, which is a great show, but one thing that always bothered me is that in just about every episode, Scully is so skeptical of anything supernatural going on.  Does she not remember how in every other episode, Mulder was right and she was wrong?  You would think she would be a little more open-minded by episode 120.  This sort of reminds me a little of this board except in reverse.  How many bogus claims have you seen?  You would think a little more skepticism is in order.

Anyway, Stefan finds out about this guy's claims.  We all want to know more details.  Pretty soon, there is a death in his family.  Everyone sends their condolences.  A little while later, the guy is in the hospital (for two months!)  People are asking if he is ok.  His website goes down, his website goes up.  He has a chart explaining the device.  Yes, the weights move back and forth, but how?  Oh, with air.  No one thought of using air pressure before, and therefore it must work, because pressurized air does not really follow the law of CoE, right? 

Guys, all we have right now is his word.  Even the article Stefan quoted is all just Bob talking.  The diagram is useless, and is designed to be useless.  It shows everything except the magic device that pushes the weights back in forth in violation of the laws of physics.  So far, this is just like every other bogus claim out there.

I say, 99.99% chance this guys is full of it, and in no small part due to his behavior.  Death in the family?  Maybe.  Death in the family followed by his own hospital stay?  No way.  Oh, and did someone say he is asking for money?  I can just see it now:

"Your drawings do not lead to a working device.  Can I get a refund?" 
"This is not Bob, this is his father.  Bob is in the hospital for the next 6 months."

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Re: New accelerating gravity wheel ! Converted video from www.newenergymachine.c
« Reply #127 on: September 11, 2007, 10:10:27 AM »
*laughter* ......... hope you're wrong.

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Hello All,

I do have to agree with shruggedatlas. That was why I sent a post to appologise for my initial post. Only after I read all the previous posts did I think that this guy is full of it. Too many coincidences to make me believe.

And afterwards, I realised that he could have easily have pulled the wool over the Post Reporters eyes.

So appologies once again for my earlier posts, and I look forward to working with all of you on something much more promisin than this fairytale. There are so many more promising ideas here on Overunity.com than this.

Best wishes,

Mike

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In the US system: Patents are hidden (but who knows, really) from every prying eye, for 18 months, which is the 'application' phase. Then if accepted, (meaning the patent format is correct) it can be seen by corporations, who have been given the privalege of seeing them so they can say that..maybe..they've been working on that for 8-9 years, or some other similar crap. This essentially means that the old solid rule is that the patent goes to the guy who files first, that is - GONE. This means a corporation who decides they want a piece of your patent, can bring 'supposed' evidence that  they've been working on such for years..and your patent is denied and their is accepted. This is, of course, after they've been given the 'right' to peer into your patent application.

Total bull, but that particular change to the patent rules was enacted when GW came into office, IIRC. I'm not sure exactly how true the above statements are, but I'm going to be finding the salient details out tomorrow.

In Canada, you can create a letter, file, whatever, with photos that have the claims and process, etc, laid out, and mail it to yourself as a registered letter, and you are given a year to file from the date of that registered letter. When the letter comes back to you, you leave it sealed. Don't open it, it is your commercial protection. this is for Canada only, I've no idea how other countries do it. If you have a good idea and don't want to patent it (no money!), and/or want it to remain 'open source' this is a good way of preventing others from patenting such, as your sealed and dated registered letter can serve in court as a controlled 'date' for 'prior knowledge', or, 'prior art' that can strike down someone's attempt to patent something. Just don't open the letters when they come back, just file them away. This may work in the US as well, I'm not sure. I'll find out tomorrow.

I think some of your information about the US patent system is in error.  There are several factors which impact the publication timeline, but in general it is around 18 months.  Many inventors want to delay publication and submit a provisional application, which gives you a year to claim ?patent pending? and to delay publishing a full national application which has much more detailed requirements.  It is a way to set forth a ?priority date? for your invention, without having quite all of the details worked out. 

After that year, a formal National application is required or optionally a PCT (International application). 

In any case, there is no top secret access to unpublished applications for big companies.  In fact, big companies accidently infringe on patents often, and accept it as a risk of doing business.

It always astonishes me how many will assume organized corruption exists in a government agency with thousands of employees.  If there is corruption, it is on a micro scale as there are too many people involved to sensibly assume it is standard practice.

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it always astonishes me to see that there are those who do not accept that there can be an usually are notable levels of coruption in large corporate organized entities. Government or corporate.

That is the other side of that arguement. The question is the level and type of corruption. Just spoke to a friend the other day who does patent protection and litigation for large intel based software corp. A Patent lawyer. I was told the patent has 'protection' from prying eyes for the first 18 months of it's existence.

We then note how many inventors are approached immediately upon application, concerning the level of 'secrecy' (black projects) their particular application falls under. Ths is a clear indication of how many prying eyes are involved in looking at one's given application. Then again, it is not a secrecy application system , it is a system for application of legal protection from fraud, for invention. Nothing more.

Alway remember that 'heat' can be substituted for 'time' in many formulas. (Depends on how the formula was based or created)

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Re: New accelerating gravity wheel ! Converted video from www.newenergymachine.c
« Reply #131 on: September 12, 2007, 04:51:10 AM »
HI Bob and all,

We will be presenting some of our open sourced technology to certain faculties and other parties in order to help the cause.The non profit org has also added you to the list or presentation.
http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/BobMary.htm

I will also be bringing your tech to the attention of our sponsors in order to help.

regards
ashtweth

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Re: New accelerating gravity wheel ! Converted video from www.newenergymachine.c
« Reply #132 on: September 13, 2007, 10:28:13 PM »
It might not be bull. who knows. Point is, I've been approached directly by 'the bad guys' twice now. So, it does happen. At least over here, I'm willing to give someone the benefit of the doubt.

I mean, if they can't post HERE..without suffering derision..where can they go?

Once again. I live less than 2 hours away from Bob. I can go check in on him.

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Re: New accelerating gravity wheel ! Converted video from www.newenergymachine.c
« Reply #133 on: September 15, 2007, 12:16:18 AM »
I guess the picture on http://www.newsourceofenergy.com/how%20it%20works.html describes it all - and fully corresponds to BobMary's initial descriptions.

Two weights are interconnected, and are sliding easily. The question is: when weights are impulsively pushed up at 6 o'clock - how much energy is stored in the air-compressor (which can be also modeled with a spring and a simple multi-level zipper-locker mechanism), between 12 and 6 o'clock? (the air-compressor is being pressed due to the centrifugal force that builds up in the interconnected weights - think of vacuum cleaner's power cord winding mechanism). The excess energy (beyond what is needed to reverse position of the weights) stored in the air-compressor can then add force to the overall torque.

It's too good to be true, but why not? Rumors say that perpetual motion gravity wheel was already invented in USSR back in 1950s... same rumors say that this invention was immediately prohibited by authorities.

By the way, nobody seems to be arguing with the fact that space satellites are gaining speed in gravity field of the planets. That's a purely free energy, created out of nowhere it seems: it is created by mass. There's probably a more in-depth scientific description exists for this fact (that involves some conservation of energy law and gravitons), but to put it short, energy is indeed created since space satellite gains speed due to planet's gravity and centrifugal force it creates. My bet is that BobMary's machine uses exactly the same fact, but stores surplus energy in a convenient form that is then reused at the most correct time: think of a satellite that travels just around two planets (or system of planets): it can gain speed infinitely (with some minor corrections to its trajectory).
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it always astonishes me to see that there are those who do not accept that there can be an usually are notable levels of coruption in large corporate organized entities. Government or corporate.

That is the other side of that arguement. The question is the level and type of corruption. Just spoke to a friend the other day who does patent protection and litigation for large intel based software corp. A Patent lawyer. I was told the patent has 'protection' from prying eyes for the first 18 months of it's existence.

We then note how many inventors are approached immediately upon application, concerning the level of 'secrecy' (black projects) their particular application falls under. Ths is a clear indication of how many prying eyes are involved in looking at one's given application. Then again, it is not a secrecy application system , it is a system for application of legal protection from fraud, for invention. Nothing more.

Alway remember that 'heat' can be substituted for 'time' in many formulas. (Depends on how the formula was based or created)

"there can be an usually are notable levels of coruption"  is a statement of opinion which I am sure you have no research or statistical data to support.  While I will agree it is certainly possible for corruption to exist in an entity of ANY size, assuming that it is usually happening just because it is possible iust cannot be logical.

Yes, as I said before 18 months is the "normal" process, but there are procedural elements that can delay that. 

"We then note how many inventors are approached immediately upon application"  -- again, I'd like to understand where you've obtained information that indicates how often this happens, if at all.  This, like your comment on corruption seems to be an assumption, not based on factual information you've obtained or personal experience.

I will agree with you however that the patent application process is intended for legal protection, not perfect secrecy.  The patent process was designed specifically as a publishing process, focused on the spread of invention information. 

As to inventors being approached by people after application, there are multiple possibilities:

1) Many inventors talk about their inventions quite a bit, especially after submitting an application  - I have seen this happen

2) When you submit the application, even while the document itself is not published, the title to the application is available to ANYONE.  The title is a great indication of what the invention does and could lead to inquiry.  Also, the inventor name and city/state is public, making it easy to find the person. - I have also seen this happen

3) I'm not sure about legal/policy issues, but even if an application's content is unpublished, those who are exposed to it at the USPTO may be able to mention the concept of it to an outsider without violating law - I have NOT seen this happen, but it could only be classified as "corruption" IF there is a law or USPTO policy against it.  IF this does happen, which may be possible, and IF it is corruption, then in my opinion it is not logical that it be widespread.

BUT in any case, the secrecy part of the application process really isn't the core intent of the patent process anyway, its really just a way to give the inventor time to get the patent application perfected and incorporate up-to-date variations and adjustments to their invention in the finalized application, and to of course deal with any prior art issues.

So, is it possible that the bad, large, corporate monsters find out about inventions before the application is published?  Yes.  Do most of the predictable ways that can happen involve some sort of "curruption" or criminal activity?  Doesn't seem likely.  Wouldn't you agree that it would be much easier for Microsoft to monitor a listing of patent applications submitted every month (public information), then follow up on the ones that have titles that sound interesting?  Thats an easy way to talk to inventors before publication, and it doesn't require any illegal activity.

Anyway, if we all spent more time inventing instead of being paranoid the world would be a much better place.

Regards,
jeffc

 

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