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Title: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 04, 2007, 03:29:55 AM
First let me say that I deleted my old posts, because I did want more time to research and to be able to take the concept in my thoughts and make it clearly understood.  I mis worded some thoughts, etc. because of a lack of electronics background.  But as I once stated, some with no electronics background can contribute.  At least on this thread.  I also would like to say that this is MY hypothesis.  To be proven true or false.

I desire to run some things by you and to see what you think.  I have continued researching and have attempted to get inside of SM's head to try to solve this riddle.

I see there are 5 major parts to understanding the TPU.
1.  The controller
2.  The collector (three of them)
3.  Control wire #1 (one wrapped around each collector)
4.  Control wire #2 (one wrapped around all three collectors and core)

I have come to the conclusion based on SM statements and continued research, that the TPU "function" is similar to a vacuum tube rectifier.  He said that is what gave him the initial idea and I think that the function can be explained that way.  He was (is) a tube guy.  Most of the electronic guys today are not and are not interested in studying the tube clues, and thus missed the function.  Now, follow my line of thinking for a moment.

What does the collector collect?
Electrons - Negative charged

How does the collector collect electrons?
I believe through two ways.
1)  Cold cathode - I believe SM ran a "small" amount of AC voltage in the TPU collectors (I am not sure how this would be done) to initiate or act as a "catalyst" for the accumulating of the electrons.  Two of the engineering reports verify that there was a small amount of AC current in the TPU.  Also several of SM's clues. (Yes, the TPU puts out DC voltage)

2)  Sound Frequency AMPLIFIED with either a tube circuit (for experimenting) or MOSFET.  I have clarified my understanding of this process much.  High Frequency has the ability to go through solid objects.  The interaction of those frequencies do not "meet" at the end, as I first thought, but ?meet? all along the entire diameter of the collector.  This in turn causes an accumulation of electrons on the surface of the collector wires.  These are charged negative, and sit their like small little magnets.

OR:
I was thinking a lot today about my theory, and still think it is correct, but I am starting to think a little bit different about the "how".  I am starting to think that perhaps the Frequencies are input into the control wires wrapped perpendicular around the collector.  The collector would act as the "positive plate" picking up the electrons.  The collector would be 'heated' by AC to prepare it for the electrons and to act as catalyst.
There are a few reasons I am starting to think this way.

SM said, quoting Tesla and giving us clues, "This kick came out of the wires perpendicularly"
"His goals were to get the time in which the discharge (our case sound frequency)  is STOPPED to be much quicker.  As Tesla did this he found that the perpendicular radiations, the ones from the wires, caused electrical effects to appear in wires and other copper/metal materials (the collectors?) near the STOPPED current/discharge  (The control wires).  These electrical effects could be made to create electrons on other wires (on the collector?) and copper around his STOPPED current/discharge wire "(the control wire wrapped around the collector.)

"The CONTROL frequencies are important in order to make power from the collector."

Perhaps he calls them control wires because the Frequencies are input into them and each segment ends (Stopped).  In my coil anyway.  I will experiment both ways.

What does the control wire #1 control? 
The electrons within the collector
Just maybe the Control frequency is input into the three segment of the control wires, and not into the collectors, or perhaps both.

How does the control wire accomplish this?
The control wire acts as a control grid in a tube (Cathode).   It has negative charged electrons on its surface and like charges repel.  Because this control wire is wrapped tightly (no gaps) perpendicular to the collector wires, the electrons deposited in the collector can not escape and are "trapped, caged, etc."  SM said the "kicks" (access electrons) escape perpendicular of the wire.  Control wire #1 is either not wired to anything (my first thought) or is negative charged (ground). Control wire #2 is larger, and a continuation of control (the trapping of electrons) and in similar manner is either not connected to anything or wired to ground.  I am not sure which.

The magnet acts as a "plate-anode" of the tube.  In a tube the Hot cathode filament heats up releasing electrons in a vacuum.  The control grid is cathode and acts to repel the electrons back towards the hot cathode.  Once the positive plates attraction overcomes the negative repulsion of the control grid, there is an electron stream in the vacuum that travels from the hot (or cold) cathode to the positive plate and out come the electrons.

The TPU's collector is equivalent to the hot (cold) cathode of the tube.  (Actually I have been rethinking this and perhaps the collector is equivalent to the positive plate that catches the electrons in a tube.  But the collector is catching electrons deposited on it?s surface from the clash of the frequencies at ?fast send off? through the three control wire segments)  I will be experimenting both ways.

Control wires #1 & #2 are equivalent to the control grid of the tube.
The magnet acts as a "positive" plate.  He snaps it onto a metal piece which then is magnetized.  All of the electrons in the collector are "attracted" magnetically and come rushing out (voltage) When the magnet is removed, they stand still in the collector again, and no voltage.  If SM wanted, he could operate the TPU without the magnet, by just putting a dc positive charge through the collector.  The results are the same. 

Now, about the collectors.  There are three of them.  In one, goes the amplified sound freq. (just one end)  I do not know if clockwise (my first guess) or counter clockwise, (running in the same wire is small current AC).  (I am also rethinking this and perhaps no frequency goes into the collectors, just into the control coils.)

In the second collector goes the "harmonic" of the first frequency.  The harmonic is the first frequency exactly doubled.  Same direction I would guess. (running in the same wire is small current AC).

In the third collector goes either the first frequency again, or a third harmonic (second harmonic doubled - I believe.  Need more research on this.)

I have nearly finished wrapping my first TPU. A 6" small one.  I am going to start experimenting, as soon as I get, beg or borrow equipment.

All of the above is a result of SM's clues and endless hours of researching  his clues.  I especially like the one where he says, "The device is based on a simple electronic concept." 

Here is to my happy experiments to come! 

Thank you for your time,
Best regards,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: devilzangel on May 05, 2007, 07:26:04 AM
 :D .. kewl .. keep us updated

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Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 06, 2007, 05:18:52 AM
I found this old post and it describes exactly what I believe the small amount of AC being put into the TPU was for.  He has worded it very well. Still thinking about the differant ways I wish to experiment doing this.

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The operation of the device would be a small battery to start a control circuit which creates the short pulse and radiant effect, and then an oscillation which creates usable electricity.

Quote from SM
"The only part he doesn't have any idea about is that by starting the oscillation you cause the current to flow in the collector which causes the magnification of the process within the collector which will ultimately produce the greater voltage and power in usable amounts during operation."

(I will try to pulse AC low voltage to act as "catalyst" for the oscillation process of the frequencies within the collectors.) 

I have decided to use tube circuits for my experiments.  I think I have found a tube person to help me with this. 

Otto thinks that the collectors tie into the control wires.  I will be trying it every way possible.  Perhaps I will even try pulsing the AC into the control wires as the freq. plays in the collectors.

Here is to my happy experiments!
Bruce

Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 12, 2007, 05:53:49 PM
Experiment Notes:  My TPU vibrates and oscillates

I input primary frequency (tried both 2500 hz and 10k hz) into the top and bottom collectors traveling counter clockwise.

I input secondary (harmonic) frequency (5000 hz and 20K) into the middle collector traveling clockwise.

The collector wires, opposite from the inputs were all connected, then this was connected in series with brown control wires (see photo in first post) then brown control wires were connected in series with green control wire (see photo in first post)

I then ran AC 12 volt 60hz transformed into the coil (no diodes like I should have) (see rough schematic) .
After, as I neared with my hand, to place the magnet onto the top of the coil, the magnet began to vibrate very much in my hand.  After putting on the magnet, I held the back of the coil and could feel tremendous vibration and oscillation.  As I went to put the second harmonic of 20k hz  through a slider on my laptop, my transformer blew and smoked a great deal on the secondary side.  To be honest it was all quite unnerving...LOL  It is strange to pick up a wired item (the TPU) and to feel what I felt.  It did not just vibrate, but felt like mini marbles traveling around it.  It was very strange.  I had no bulb hooked to it for I did not have my frequency amplified beside the capability of the laptop.

I had that whole mad scientist feeling....minus the scientist part!! LOL

It was very exciting. :)    ???

Thank you for your time,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: hartiberlin on May 12, 2007, 07:29:57 PM
Hi Bruce, did it also vibrate without the magnet ?
Too bad, that your transformer smoked.
I hope you can repair it.
Please update us on any new discoveries !
Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Motorcoach1 on May 12, 2007, 08:03:56 PM
@ Bruce very interesting about your theory.    now i figured that SM did have some small amount of AC in the coil. now this is a puzzle to me , if the right frequencies are met you can amplify the 60 Hz chroma and get output from the TPU. look where he was when he did this experiment. and the he had a hard time getting it to work when he moved. Yes it worked when he drove around town as he stated and his associates. taping the chroma is old news ( I'm not at this statement being negative) but theres a fine line in this setup as being a transceiver. as Nokia Tesla did in his Duel cone experiments in a broad band receiver and yes is worked better that he figured.  i feel induceing the chroma effect and increase that mass to a level that it can be used. and yes if the 60 Hz grid can be taped thats all good. but the power guys might get T'ed of hahahahah mmmmmm acustic power  thanks for reading this ....Mike 
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 12, 2007, 11:43:53 PM
For a number of reasons, I think that SM inverted a very small amount of AC from a small DC battery.  When I first turned on the AC, I was reading 1.5 volts ac from my voltmeter, and I do not begin to understand the vibrations.  I was inputing a miniscule amount of power, no high voltage.

When the magnet vibrated in my hand, it was kinda disconcerting...LOL.  Not feeling the magnet repel or attract, simply vibrate.  I can not remember if the TPU was vibrating before I put the magnet on, it was 2:30am...sorry.  Replacing the transformer is easy, I have more.  I just am thinking about where to go from here.  I do not think there is enough amplification of the frequency from my laptop to produce power, but then again, why did my trans blow.?!

I will try again soon, but I think with two diodes in place where the ac enters the coil. 
Any ideas on keeping my transformer from frying would be a help..:)

My motto has always been to keep it simple.  I don't have to know why it works, I just want to figure out how it works, going at things from more of a detective/experimenter kind of way.  I will leave the why theorys to smarter people than I.  Any person wanting to can easily replicate the vibrating coil with the info I have given..I think.  Just without the whole smoking (and it was smoking bad) transformer and shaking hands! LOL

Thank you for reading,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: innovation_station on May 13, 2007, 06:08:41 AM
hello bruce

i think that the output of the top and bottom collector and control will give you ac as output from a dc input and if you inject that ac back into the coil you could eleminite your extra ac in put source and not need the transformer that you are smokeing up

is
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: hartiberlin on May 13, 2007, 06:52:34 AM
Hi Bruce,
whatis the DC resistance of the coils that you put onto
the 12 Volts AC output of the transformer ?

If it is only 1 to 2 or under 10 Ohms, you probably
pulled too much current and thus the transformer was just "shorted out"
and thus got too hot and smoked up !

So maybe you pulled via the transformer already 20 or more Watts
into the TPU and thus it is no wonder, that your magnet
vibrated a lot !
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 13, 2007, 07:02:32 AM
Hi Stephan,
I have the wires disconnected but will do a check of resistance when I get a chance in a day or two.  Just a note, though, the transformer is a small radio shack typed rated at 1 amp.  I measured the voltage before the vibrations at the output of my coil and it was 1.5 volts.  I would have had to be drawing 13.34 amps to total 20 watts, and there is no way.  The max amperage I have been able to pass through this transformer at any given time with my HHO experiments is 4 amps at 2.5 volts for 10 watts.  It is rated for 12 watts.  I do not think I "generated power" through the TPU but neither do I believe the explanation of that causing, not just the magnet in my hand, but once I placed it on the coil and grabbed the coil from behind and held it, I can not describe the feeling.  It was vibrations, yes, but like little marbles rolling around the equator of the coil.




NOW THE KICKER...to top a great weekend.

I believe I have found the "MISSING CLUE" tonight as to what goes into the third collector.  It is NOT what we/I thought.

Here is the clue, see if you can figure it out before I tell you.

SM says,
"I prefer using triodes because they generate less distortion. ANY DEVIATION FROM THE ORIGINAL SIGNAL OR ADDITION TO, HARMONIC AND INTERMODULATION is not good for stereo enjoyment, you know.  Stereo?  I have a THREE CHANNEL SYSTEM I listen to.  Sometimes the channels COMBINE together to create the most magnificent sound you could imagine.  A whole new sound stage opens up and suddenly you are transformed to someplace else."

Elsewhere he says, "...in the first frequency, in the second harmonic, and then THE THIRD."

I thought the third was was another harmonic of the second, or the first frequency twice.  NOPE.  He TOLD US what goes in the third collector:

INTERMODULATION

Yep, I had to look it up to be sure.  Google: define intermodulation

And if I read the math that applies to this, (someone good in math please verify the formula, I do not want to lead anyone wrong with a fault formula)
There are differant formulas, the the one that I think fits this is as follows:

First collector - Frequency
Second Colletor - Harmonic
Third collector - Intermodulation=Frequency + Harmonic

Example: (Frequency is differant based on diameter of TPU)
Frequency is 35.705 K hz
Harmonic is 71.41 k hz
Intermodulation is 107.115 K hz


This would create the worst possible example of pure frequencies.  Reread SM's posts about clashing transformers, etc.  You will start to understand. 

Jubilant,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: z_p_e on May 13, 2007, 04:06:33 PM
Actually, intermodulation yields sum and difference frequencies, so yes the third harmonic will be present if the fundamental and second harmonic are mixed together.

Mixing involves multiplying the two frequencies together, and to accomplish this, the two frequencies must simultaneously enter a non-linear medium where the mixing occurs, and byproducts result.

The simplest non-linear mixer I believe is a diode. Apparently, there are passive intermodulation methods, but they involve dissimilar metals and high frequencies and voltages, which certainly may be present in the TPU.

Darren
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Peterae on May 13, 2007, 05:14:59 PM
This is quiet interesting, in the large TPU you can see 2 sets of electronics, you would expect to see 3 sets if he used 3 independant frequencys and generators,I came to the conclusion that he either was only using 2 in the large TPU or the third was constructed from the first 2 frequencys in some way.
So Darren what you are saying is connect 2 diodes together at the Cathode and on each seperate anode push the 2 sepaerate frequencys, so ineffect adding these together to form the third.

Peter
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 14, 2007, 04:52:44 AM
Darren,

A great help!!  Simple, just combine the frequencies at the EXACT same time to form a brand new frequency in the third collector, the Intermodulation.  This will go on my tube circuit "to do list". Much easier and fits the videos and clues perfectly. Thanks!

Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 14, 2007, 09:47:04 PM
Okay, latest experiment.

Another AC tranformer, smaller than the last one.
Rating 12vac 500ma

Output voltage reading of just the transformer = 14.13 volts
At first I connected a diode to each leg of the ac and input the same locations as last time, and there was no output reading of ac from the tpu.

Next I removed the diodes, but hoping I would not smoke another transformer.

output from the TPU reads .423 volts ac

I place an amp meter on a leg of ac being input from the transformer.

I place the transformer about 4 feet from the TPU.

I have an "inline" switch near the tpu to as as a on and off switch for the ac current.

I hook up the same frequencies as before in the same way.

I turn on the ac, then left channel and then right channel frequency.

Amp meter reads = 2.06 amps
volts taken at the output of the transformer, before it hits the tpu = 1.72 volts ac
Volts reading at the output of the tpu = .423 volts ac

The magnet vibrates, ONLY when the edge is near or on the top of the unit.  Also, when it is in the center of the unit.  N down, nothing, S side down, nothing.

Slight inertia can be felt...not nearly as much as the last experiment with a larger transformers.  Also the unit vibrates slightly.

DC output reads 1.2 mv.  I turn the ac on off switch and every time I do there is a spike of DC voltage.  Sometimes 11.3 mv sometimes 10.5 mv, etc.  Always a differant amount.

I check the output of the trans and tpu at ac voltage and turn the switch on and off, and there is no kick or spike or anything..... hmmm.

SM made SEVERAL referances to AC and DC flowing in opposite directions in the same line.  Why AC?  The only thing I can find or think of is it alternates the poles of the "electromagnet" that we have created around the collectors, every half cycle.  DC keeps the North and South in the same direction the entire time.  Hmmm....

Thank you for your time,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 15, 2007, 01:03:00 AM
Another major clue uncovered.  This is another huge one!
This will tell us how to find the individual resonance frequency for differant diameter TPU's.

First SM's words:

"Hey, did you know that the frequency is proportional to the speaker's circumference?  It appears that the frequency should change with the circumference of the speaker.  That makes sense to you does it?  No one I have talked to realizes that yet.  I use 15" speakers myself.  They are 15" from the dead center of the outside flange to the other sides flange."

"The frequencies are directly related to the circumference of the collector coil."

Funny thing I realized today...each collector coil really is a type of speaker (except with out the vibration paper)  And you know what, I think when SM said speaker, he meant "speaker" in the whole tpu sense.  And you know what...a resonant frequency is determined by diameter!!!  Remember SM mentioned 35k resonance, he said he "left the resonance there." 

The resonant frequency which is our first frequency is determined by the diameter of the speaker and a few other things as well.  I found the info below with full instructions and calculator.  If you find a better way of determining the resonant frequency or better calculator, please post.  Look at the similarities between the collectors and speakers...it is amazing!  Perhaps this will help me understand the whole ac part as well!  My, my, my...

Jubilant,
Bruce

http://www.bcae1.com/spboxad3.htm (http://www.bcae1.com/spboxad3.htm)
Full calculator and how to determine the resonant frequency!!

This procedure is copied from link above:
Calculator in link above to enter the information!

Measuring speaker parameters
The following will lead you through the test procedure needed to find some of the T/S parameters of your speaker.
You'll need:
?  a 4-8 ohm resistor rated at 5 watts or higher
?  An amplifier which has a flat frequency response from 20-100hz
?  A sine wave generator with frequency counter or an external frequency counter.
?  A test enclosure with a known internal volume
?  A digital multi-meter. A true RMS meter will be the most accurate.
?  Disregard the readings on the test equipment in the diagram. They ain't right!
Set your meter to ohms and measure the DC resistance of the speaker and the resistor. Enter these values in fields '1' and '2'.
Make the connections as shown below and set the generator's frequency to somewhere between 40 and 100 hz. Set the generator's output so that the amplifier produces approximately 3 volts AC. Enter the exact output voltage in field '3'. Do not change the output level for the rest of the testing. To mute the audio, turn the amplifier off.
 
________________________________________
Now make the connections as shown below. Adjust the frequency of the generator until you get the lowest possible voltage reading across the resistor. This is the resonant frequency of the speaker. The reason that the voltage is lowest at this point is because the impedance of the speaker is at its highest. When the speaker's impedance increases, the current flow decreases. Since there is less current flowing through the resistor, there is a smaller voltage drop across the resistor. Enter the minimum obtainable voltage into field 5 below. Enter the frequency where the minimum voltage was obtained into field 4. Click on 'calculate'. Don't be concerned by the erroneous values in some of the fields. We're only half way through the test.
 
Adjust the frequency of the generator down until the voltage across the resistor is the same as the field marked 'Resistor's 3dB Down Voltage'. Enter the frequency into field 7. Now go up in frequency past the resonant frequency to the point where the voltage is again the same as 'Resistor's 3dB Down Voltage'. Enter this value into field 6.
________________________________________
Measure and enter the internal volume of the enclosure into field 9. Mount the speaker in or on the enclosure. If you mount it 'in' the enclosure, subtract the appropriate amount from the enclosure's volume (see table below). Find the resonant frequency of the speaker in the enclosure by finding the frequency where the voltage across the resistor is lowest. Enter this value into field 8. Click on 'calculate' again. If the speaker's calculated resonant frequency is significantly different from the value that you measured earlier, you may not have been careful enough in your measurments. The values output by this calculator should be very close to the published specifications for the driver.
 


Notes:
There are several things that will change some of the parameters of the speaker. None of the following will make a huge difference in the resonant frequency (except, maybe, #1) but they will make a difference. If you can not get consistent measurements, some of the following may be the cause.
1.   Physical relationship to objects around the speaker.
When measuring the resonant frequency of a speaker, you must make sure that nothing is reacting with the speaker except free air. Most people hang the speaker from a string when finding the resonant frequency. The speaker should not be hanging near any other objects. If it's hanging within ~12" from any object, the object may affect the measured resonant frequency. You can confirm that this is true by placing your hand in front of the speaker when reading the voltage across the resistor. Moving your hand closer to the speaker will change the voltage reading across the resistor. If you measure the resonant frequency with the speaker laying on its magnet, you'll get slightly skewed readings. If the magnet has a vented pole piece, the readings will be even more skewed. For an 8" woofer that I was testing, the difference between the free air resonance and resonance with the speaker within 1" of a wall, was about 2.5%. This isn't a big difference but I'm mentioning it so that you'll realize that little things can cause variations in your measurements.
2.   Temperature:
Most speaker components are, at least, somewhat sensitive to temperature. This is especially true for the spider and the surround. At very low temperatures, they will be less compliant (which will give a higher resonant frequency). At higher temperatures, the spider and surround will be more compliant and will produce a lower resonant frequency. For critical measurements, you should measure the resonant frequency at the same temperature as the environment where the speaker will be used. For home speakers, this is easy. For car speakers, the wide temperature variations make it more difficult to pick a temperature at which to test.
3.   Humidity:
Some speakers (especially those with untreated paper cones) will absorb moisture and will therefore have a slightly different resonant frequency when the air is very humid or very dry.
4.   'Breaking in' the Speakers:
'Some' speakers need to be played a while before they obtain a stable compliance. Fresh out of the box, the suspension may be somewhat stiff (mainly due to the material that's used for the spider). After playing them a while, the suspension will soften a little. If you want to break them in, play them at a very low frequency (preferably at resonance) for 10 minutes or so. Drive them with enough power to move the cones about 2/3 of Xmax. With the speakers hanging in free air and at resonance, there will be virtually no chance of injuring the speakers. Remember, at resonance, the speaker moves significantly with very little power applied. The combination of very high impedance and significant cone movement virtually eliminates any chance of overheating the voice coil. This should not be done with the speakers in an enclosure, lying face down or on their magnets (especially if they have a vented pole piece).
5.   Test Equipment:
Professional quality test equipment won't be affected much by temperature. That said, it's best if you allow the test equipment to reach 'room temperature' if you want reliable measurements. If your meter was in the trunk of your car baking in the hot sun and you make the measurements as soon as you bring it in to the test area, you may get significantly different readings than you will when the meter cools down. The same goes for the signal generator/frequency counter.
6.   Meter Frequency Response:
Before you get started, you should connect your meter directly across the signal generator and check to see that the voltage doesn't vary as you sweep the frequency from ~20hz to ~100hz. If the voltage starts to drop near 20 hz, you may want to find a true RMS meter to do the tests.
For the most accurate measurements, I would hang the speaker in the middle of a room in your home (or temperature controlled shop). This will provide a stable, consistent environment for your tests. Allow all test equipment and speakers to reach room temperature before testing. To get consistent measurements, you need to have consistent test conditions.
As a side note, Someone once told me that hanging the speaker can cause the measured resonant frequency to be off because the magnet/frame structure moves a little. They said that the speaker had to be mounted securely into an infinite baffle to give accurate measurements. I can not deny or confirm this statement.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 15, 2007, 04:08:06 AM
This next formula is how to determine the amount of wire for each collector.  I am going to be using stranded wire as SM said to for the collectors.  I am going to be building a new TPU.

(Please see post above to learn how to determine the resonant frequency of your collector.)

Step 1.  I will use the following formula to determine length of wire for each collector:

"Desired impedance (DC resistance) between 7 & 8 Ω.  Find DC resistance of 1 m of wire to determine overall length of wire needed."

This is the formula that is used to limit the current from the amplifier.  Tube amp circuit in my case!
Example:
I measured 1 yard of the stranded wire I will be using for my three collectors on my next coil.  Next I measured the ohms resistance of that wire.  It was 1.5 ohms.  So at exactly 5 yards of this wire, I will be at 7.5 ohms.  This will be per collector on my next TPU.

Hmmm...I feel like the puzzle pieces are starting to fall together.  What good is pure high frequency if the collector/speaker is wrong.  All of that work to pump tube pure frequency into the collectors, and to not know what frequency it will resonate, and to have too little or too much wire.

One good thing...It my TPU doesn't work, I will have one heck of start for a great sound system!!! LOL    :D

Step 2:
I will take one of the collectors and follow the instructions to find the resonant frequency.  This will be the frequency I input into the first collector from my Tube circuit.
Then I will double this for my harmonic in my second collector.
Then I will add both the first and second into the third, creating a intermodulation.
And then I will have POWER!!  (I hope!) LOL

Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: z_p_e on May 15, 2007, 05:07:27 AM
Just a word of caution regarding the loudspeaker/TPU diameter analogies.

Speaker resonance is determined by a few factors, one of which is the diameter of the cone. There is also the cone mass and voicecoil inductance, so it is not that simple an analogy. The speaker diameter mostly determines how much air is being moved, and thus will represent a certain "resistance" to movement, which will affect the resonance frequency.

I'm sure there are some loudspeaker experts out there that can correct any errors I may have made, but the point is that the comparison can not be made simply based on diameter alone.

Darren
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 15, 2007, 05:34:10 AM
Actually, you are correct Darren. 

If you click the link that goes through how to measure the resonant frequency, diameter is not one of the parameters.  But the diameter of the speaker affects all of the parameters that are needed to find the "open air" resonant frequency. 

SM didn't just mention high frequency and give number in khz, but he used the term "resonance" with one of the numbers two times.  So every attempt should be made to find the resonance frequency for the collector.  This is the "primary" frequency the other two are made with.

That website had some easy to follow steps to find the resonant frequency.  We don't need the "enclosure" frequency, just the "open air".  Should you or anyone else find another website with instructions that will help us with this, please post here.

Thanks!
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Thaelin on May 15, 2007, 11:18:47 AM
   Just did a quick check of the ohms per foot on my #20 stranded wire. Twenty five feet equals .5 ohms.  That makes it 375 feet of wire for one coil. How big of a tpu did you say you have.  I might see using enamel wire but coated multi stand is impracticle at best.    Just a simple fact I figured out. How do you intend to make it fit??

   In the past I read one of teslas patents on resonance. Simplest is a coil and a cap. Most efficent way of doing it. Each coil I feel should be tuned to the frequency it will have in it.  That brings up parallel or series wired?  One will be like a short to the circuit and one an open.

suggie
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 15, 2007, 05:51:24 PM
Hi Sugra,

The OHMS test is to simply limit the current going to the wire (resistance).  From my case a tube circuit.  I will be wiring each collector as you would a speaker for one of my experiments.  It is not a magic formula.  The MAIN thing is the resonant frequency of the collector/speaker.  I am using 16# stranded at 1.5 OHMS a yard.  5 yards rap easily. it is a variable of what kind of wire you want to use.     

Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: turbo on May 15, 2007, 10:10:49 PM

I have come to the conclusion based on SM statements and continued research, that the TPU "function" is similar to a vacuum tube rectifier. 

Best regards,
Bruce


hi Bruce i like your theory.
Turbo.

a electron at rest has no kinetic energy.
when it is fired,it has kinetic energy because of it's motion.
when it stops,it's kinetic energy changes into heat and sound energy.

imagine,if you will, a number of individuals within a circle formed by a number of men standing shoulder to shoulder or holding hands.
the men who form the ring are determined that the individuals inside will not get out, and those who are encircled make but a feeble effort to get out.
although they are milling around,those of the inner group who come in contact with this human barrier bounce back or are deflected in diffrent directions and remain inside the circle.
as a result of the slowness of their movements, the kinetic energy possessed by those within does not enable them to overcome the work being done by the encirclers to keep those who are inside within the circle.

but suddenly those inside the circle speed up their movements.
instead of moving slowly towards the encircling ring of people, they start running rapidly and thereby gain kinetic energy, the energy of motion.
when they reach the barrier the energy they possess is converted into work, and if it is greater than the work being done by those trying to keep them inside, they break through the human barrier and are free...

in a general way this is what's happening inside a metal.
at the surface of the metal a sort of barrier exits which tends to keep the electrons within the confines of the metal.
inside the metal some of the free electrons move very slowly and others move more rapidly.
some move with sufficient speed so that the energy they possess,is sufficient to permit them to break through the barier but, these are extremly few in number.

assume now that something is done to the metal, which causes increased speed of movement of all electrons.
as the electron speed of movement increases, the kinetic energy aquired by the electrons also increases untill finally great number of them break through the surface and escape from the metal.
this is the phenomenon of electron emission.
electron emmision is the liberation of electrons from substances under particular conditions.

electron emission caused by energy conversion.

naturally ,we are intrested in what is done to the metal to cause such emissions of electrons.
what will speed up the motion of the electrons so that the work they can do is sufficient to cause them to break through the surface?

numerous conditions will create such a state, for there are a number of ways in which additional energy can be imparted to the electrons within the metal.
for example,

1.there is the application of heat.
heat is a form of energy, and if the temperature of a piece of metal is raised by any one of a number of heating processes, some of the energy in the heat is transferred to the electrons and they are made to move faster than their normal speed of motion.
this is the equivalent of conversion of heat energy into kinetic energy.
when electrons are freed by heating a metal it is called [1] thermionic emission.

2.then there is the application of light.
light,which is an electromagnetic radiation,is a form of energy.
although the exact mechanism whereby electrons are liberated from substances when electromagnetic waves of the proper frequency impinge upon them has not as yet been determined,it is a well established fact thet electron emission does take place.
very many diffrent electrical systems are in use today which depend upon this phenomenon for operation.
we can accept the statement that the energy contained in light rays which strike the substance under consideration is in some way transferred to the electrons in the substance ,and that their motion is accelerated sufficiently so that they are liberated from the substance.
this action is called photo electric emission.

3.a third type of emission is called secondary emission.
this is the liberation of electrons from a substance as a result of the [2] bombardment of the substance with fast moving electrons.
in other words ,the energy contained in these high speed electronic bullets is given up to the electrons and atoms which they strike ,and in so doing increases the kinetic energy of the electrons in the metal and thereby enables them to gather sufficient speed so that they can break through the surface of the metal and be liberated.
the existance of this condition is undesirable in certain vacuum tubes and provision has been made to prevent it.
on the other hand this is a deliberatly created condition in other tubes.
naturally the high speed electrons which are used as the bullets,are also secured from some source by the process of emission.
in secondary emission electron emission is also attained by means of the transfer of energy.

4. a fourth method is indentified as [3] cold cathode emission.
in a normal vacuum tube ,the vacuum prevents the tungsten wire from burning up which happens when heated in open air in a matter of seconds.
in the cold cathode methode electrons are litterally pulled [5] out of a substance by the attracting power of an extremely strong electric attracting force.
since the electron is a negative particle,the existance of a point which is positive with respect to the electron source ,the cathode, will tend to draw electrons towards it.
if this attracting source is sufficiently powerfull it will pull electrons out of a metal,without any heat being applied or the application of any other action which would tend to free the electrons from the metal.
due to the extremely [4] high voltages involved ,such cold cathode forms of emissions are not commonly used.......

[1] Remember that it is like a furnace which feeds itself.  The hotter it gets the more fuel it gives itself to burn.

I originally got the idea from electron circuits which use vacuum rectifiers like the 5U4 GB or 5AR4 etc.
The plate has a [4] high voltage potential with lots of useable power available.
You cant get to it or use it for anything without applying a heating voltage to the cathode or what is the cathode potential of the tube?
So, you put in a small voltage of 5 volts AC 60 Hz which heats up the cathode and welcomes the electron stream from the plate.
Or actually the other way around [5], but not important for this example of my thoughts.

You know it is common knowledge in the electron tube world that aside from the fact that a [3] cold filament conducts more electricity then when hot, one of the things that destroys the filament in electron tubes for that matter is this [2] kick when you first turn on the juice.  The kick is there whether the filament is hot or cold.  The kick helps destroy the filament and cathodes integrity.

Perhaps a smaller one is safer because the only thing that will stop a red collector is the disintegration of the matter acting as a receiver.  IE, the wires all burn up. 
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: turbo on May 15, 2007, 11:04:19 PM
so to say thing short,

if it does function like a vacuum tube, my guess is that it starts as a cold cathode tube.
this tube does not need the vacuum to prevent the burn up of the heater.
so we get rid of the vacuum and doing so ,we created a new situation.
in this "open cold tube" we can react with the environments free electrons.
basicly pull them out of the sky by using high voltage bombardment with kicks.
then when the thing heats up a bit we will get even more emissions.
so it looks like a all in one tube  ;D
Turbo.
 
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 15, 2007, 11:36:36 PM
Hi Turbo!

You said that so well...Thank you!  Yes, that is exactly right, but you said it so much better than I.  Perhaps others will take this more serious. 

The only thing I wish to add here is that it is not high voltage that produces the Kicks, it is within the clash of the frequencies, that provide the additional density of electrons..and that is all I will say until the promised post!  It will describe exactly how SM heated the coil and much much more.  The man is brilliant!

I have so much more information as to how this process is really taking place within the collectors.  It is very complex and to be honest, downright scary.  The last of the puzzle pieces have fallen together within the last 18 hours.  I have written my helpers, build team, and as soon as I hear back from them I will make a bombshell of a post. 

I will just say this,  SM really did tell us everything we needed to understand this tech.  As he said the electronic principles are simple but the complexity of the TPU is astounding and everyday my respect and admiration of SM's genius grows.  And I will add that when he warned about the dangers of these he was neither lying or exagerating.  I had even considered no longer posting after the "events" process was discovered.  The TPU can be very dangerous, and not like you think.  What has made me decide to post it in the near future, is that SM did want everyone to know and he told us.  Just no one has connected all of the dots, done the research, etc...til now.  So I figure it was his decision to make and he made it.  So I will post with the last of the puzzle pieces and let the chips fall where they will.  I could not just aimlessly wind coils without understanding what is going on....Now I build.

To SM, the modern KING of Electrons!
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: chrisC on May 16, 2007, 12:12:05 AM
Hi Bruce:

Thank you for posting your potential "bombshell" development. We eagerly await your good news. I do admire your persistence even though you've admitted a lack of a electronics background. Time to prove them wrong?

As a newbie I have difficulty following the hundreds of threads just on TPU engineering. Ideally, this Forum should have a 'summary' on a weekly basis or so, what each TPU hacker wants updated or where they are in their TPU cycle. Sort and succinct so everyone don't need to ask repeated questions. Only the important structure/issues (working or on-going success) should be documented.

I have just gotten permission from Stephan to initiate such a request from TPU engineers to send me important information so it can be updated on a say, weekly basis, with references to diagrams, circuitry etc etc. This way people don't have to jump through hoops to find the most relevant information. The updates will be in a HTML Table form and will be posted to the Forum. I will get a sample out tonight when I have some time.

btw, which corner of the woods are you residing in?

Thanks

ChrisC
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 16, 2007, 12:28:02 AM
Hi Chris.

That is an outstanding idea.  I and my helper, build team member had a very similar idea.  I am glad to have someone take everyones research seriously and place it into an "easy to reach" format.

I live in Texas. btw. :)

Honestly, SM gave the information.  I have spent hundreds of freetime hours research every word and this reached a climax last night.  He wanted us to understand, and we will.

Will experimentation still be needed?  Of course.  But it will be with knowledge and understanding, not blind guessing.  This I think is the important thing, for me anyway.

Even after SM learned how to produce power, he said they wrapped over 300 coils to perfect it.  We are on the verge.  And I hope with SM's remaining clues revealed, we will all be on the right tract.  Will some still try their own way?  Of course.  But enough here will try it SM's way, and listen to him, and someone (I hope I am first! LOL) will produce that first power.  Then we are all off to the races...to make it SS and have it work!

To SM, King of electrons!
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: chrisC on May 16, 2007, 12:47:59 AM
Hi Bruce & All:

Great! Hopefully I will find some time tonight to post a simple HTML Table format and get the ball rolling on a weekly Summary for TPU research & over time detailing the fine details where each researcher's important results will be readily available.

Btw, I'm in San Jose, CA. Thanks.

ChrisC
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: devilzangel on May 16, 2007, 08:48:46 AM
@btentzer .. i am glad your R&D is coming along at a nice pace. Hope to here your final instructions on how the tpu is made. ;D

I live in Htown, TX; and i would love to help, but i dont like to reinvent. Plus i am a student, and work 2 jobs .. hardly have time or the money to do a credible and well thought out R&D project. I am truly glad others are taking out the time and putting their own money into finding out how this TPU thing is made and works.

if one of you can decipher the code SM talks in .. that is fantastic.  :) .. one-up for free energy to the world!!!  ;D

one thing is always bugging me - the legal aspect of this .. if his technology is owned by UEC .. and if someone else "finds out" through independent R&D how it is made and works .. will UEC (or whoever they really are) step in and stop the person from publishing the info bc the technology is already someone else's?? Does this only apply for patents? as far as i know, SM or UEC don't have any patents on a TPU device.  ??? .. if they do have a patent .. then they can just bury the thing for 20 years or so by not giving out licenses for anyone to commercialize it.

devilzangel
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Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 16, 2007, 02:56:00 PM
Okay folks, this is the promised post.  The last of SM's Clues that I am able to research and figure out.  After this post, it is to the bench to build a proper coil and await my tube circuit.  I can't tell you the hours spent working on this.  My build team members were enthusiastic to say the least! LOL

Thank you for taking the time to download and read.  Pardon the advertisement in the pdf, but is the only pdf converter I could find for free.

To SM, the modern King of electrons,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: turbo on May 16, 2007, 07:34:14 PM
nice going Bruce  8)
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: devilzangel on May 16, 2007, 11:42:28 PM
Okay folks, this is the promised post.  The last of SM's Clues that I am able to research and figure out.  After this post, it is to the bench to build a proper coil and await my tube circuit.  I can't tell you the hours spent working on this.  My build team members were enthusiastic to say the least! LOL

Thank you for taking the time to download and read.  Pardon the advertisement in the pdf, but is the only pdf converter I could find for free.

To SM, the modern King of electrons,
Bruce

THANKS .. keep us updated on your bench experiments!!!

core? .. thought SM didnt have a core in the TPU

also, all the equations in the PDF are garbled up .. i cant understand what u r referring to without the equations.

(also, i think it would have been better if u also added the things u want us to know from your posts here INTO the PDF .. for documentation purposes; it also makes it easier on new users to understand where u r coming from)

devilzangel
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Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: gn0stik on May 17, 2007, 12:38:11 AM
I hate to say this, and understand that I don't mean anything against you, but... Isn't this all stuff we've already been talking about? Some of it almost two years ago.

And, if this is your theory, it's almost like you took GK's results with the gk4 and otto jumpers and worked backwards.

The unified field bit was creative and a bit interesting, but aside from that, nothing seemed all that new. And your theory of the event was a bit shaky it seemed, even within the confines of UFT. It almost seemed as if you were reaching for a philadelphia experiment kind of thing. If this is the case, then I can't imagine steven would even post a single word in relation to how it works. I know I wouldn't. If I created a unified field in my basement, I wouldn't be telling others how to do it, that's for sure. In fact, I doubt Steven would even be around to talk about it if he "accidentally" discovered a unified field. There would have definitely been some major accidents along the way. Not just RF burns.

Again, I'm not trying to be a naysayer, and certainly not trying to discourage. I hope your group works it out, but this doesn't in any way give anyone any real insights into anything that we haven't already come up with aside from the event bit.

I will be watching close however, as there was a long, long period where all people did was theorize and nobody ever actually built and tested the theories. So you may come up with a piece of the puzzle as Otto seems to have, and Marco, and Tao, and GK, and Ronotte(I wish everyone documented like Ronotte, and what you have done so far).

It will happen one day.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 17, 2007, 01:24:26 AM
What I did was take litterally SM's words.  Like when he talked about the magnetic field produced by an atomic explosion perhaps having something to do with his device.  So I researched that.  I think SM thinks that UFT has a great deal to do with the device.  Oh, not to mention the imploding television, comments of "nothing can stop a redcoil," THREE types of cutoff switches on the larger units, kill switch for frequencies, over voltage kill switch and overheating kill switch.

Eddy currents can only be caused by AC electro magnets.  SM said there were eddy currents.  There are many ways to determine this and SM knew for sure.  So the point was he was using an AC electromagnet to oscillate.  Now I have said all along that the TPU was a "type of" Tube rectifier using a cold cathode.  SM stated that the oscillations begin and the current starts to flow and then this is magnified.

I stated that SM said three SOUND frequencies, resonant, harmonic, Intermodulation

I stated that SM said to start only with tubes to see the effect because he knew the EMP given off by the unit, once started would mess enough with the frequency to keep the unit from going to catalyst.

If I somehow missed all of the post where this has all been tested together, please point me there.  Oh, wait, I hear the voice of SM, and he says, "these things are like TV's just in the sense that if you are missing just one part, it will not work."

Oh, did I mention the imploding televisions pulling the nails out of the wall.  How can that be, it is just a TV set.  It can't really be that dangerous.

I just need to remember to tap the coil with a permanent magnet.  Everyone knows that but I forgot to put it in my pdf.  After all, SM did say, "...the phenomona of magnetic collection."  Actually I think he was talking about the UFT event in the collectors.

If SM really didn't mean what he said. If he didn't say, what he meant.  If his words mean do it our way, then honestly, I am wasting my time.  For truth be known, I could not figure the TPU out in a million years.  But words... that is something else.  Words mean things.  Like when SM mentioned how the wings were developed on the plane that broke the sound barrier as a clue to what is going on in the collector.  I must have missed that post also where that is discussed and utilized.

If I have worked backwards from gk's and otto's experiments that is ok.  For if we meet in the middle we will have a working TPU.  I am funny, in that my brain requires some manner of understanding the function of the TPU.  My theory.....hmmm or SM's words.  I have no theory other than SM's words.  I made my mind a blank, clean slate, put aside preconceptions and did research detective work. 

Can anyone say that it is my theory that there is ac in the unit?  No, SM said it many times and two engineer reports to boot.  And the final proof is that it has eddy currents.
Can anyone say that it is my theory that the unit is a "type" of tube rectifier?  No, SM said it is what gave him the idea.
Can anyone say that it is my theory that there are three frequencies in the TPU?  No SM said this very specific in Two posts.
Can anyone say that it is my theory that the unit uses High frequencies?  No SM said this about 6 times in six differant ways.
etc.   etc.  etc. 
Conclusion:  Not theory's.  Rather putting meaning to words.

Friendly regards,
Bruce

Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Sauron on May 17, 2007, 09:39:19 AM
The EMP effect

The Electro-Magnetic Pulse (EMP) effect was first observed during the early testing of high-altitude airburst nuclear weapons. The effect is characterised by the production of a very short but intense EMP, which propagates away from its source with diminishing intensity. The EMP is in effect an electro-magnetic shock wave.

The high temperatures and energetic radiation produced by nuclear explosions also produce large amounts of ionized (electrically charged) matter which is present immediately after the explosion. Under the right conditions, intense currents and electro-magnetic fields can be produced, generically called EMP (Electro-magnetic Pulse), that are felt at long distances. Living organisms are impervious to these effects, but electrical and electronic equipment can be temporarily or permanently disabled by them. Ionized gases can also block short wavelength radio and radar signals (fireball blackout) for extended periods.

The formation EMP begins with the very intense, but very short burst of gamma rays caused by the nuclear reactions in the bomb. About 0.3% of the bomb's energy is in this pulse, but it last for only 10 nanoseconds or so. These gamma rays collide with electrons in air molecules, and eject the electrons at high energies through a process called Compton scattering. These energetic electrons in turn knock other electrons loose, and create a cascade effect that produces some 30,000 electrons for every original gamma ray.

In low altitude explosions the electrons, being very light, move much more quickly than the ionized atoms they are removed from and diffuse away from the region where they are formed. This creates a very strong electric field which peaks in intensity to 10 nanoseconds. The gamma rays emitted downward however are absorbed by the ground which prevents charge separation from occurring. This creates a very strong vertical electric current which generates intense electro-magnetic emissions over a wide frequency range (up to 100 MHZ) that emanate mostly horizontally. At the same time, the earth acts as a conductor allowing the electrons to flow back toward the burst point where the positive ions are concentrated. This produces a strong magnetic field along the ground. Although only about 3x10^-10 of the total explosion energy is radiated as EMP in a ground burst (10^6 joules for 1 Mt bomb), it is concentrated in a very short pulse. The charge separation persists for only a few tens of microseconds, making the emission power some 100 gigawatts.

The effects of these field on electronics is difficult to predict, but can be profound. Enormous induced electric currents are generated in wires, antennas, and metal objects.

 The Flux Compression Generator
A Flux Compression Generator is basically a Directed Electro-Magnetic Pulse (DEMP) gun. There are a number of uses for this technology, most of them related to warfare.

The Flux Compression Generator consists of a metal tube packed with explosives and wrapped with a copper coil. The coil is energised by a bank of capacitors and promptly detonated at the peak of the magnetic field. Once detonation occurs, the metal tube flares outwards. This causes the coil to short-circuit along its length. This propagating short-circuit has the effect of compressing the magnetic field while reducing the inductance of the coil.
 This produces a rapidly-increasing current pulse (EMP), which breaks before the final disintegration of the device.




Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: devilzangel on May 17, 2007, 11:25:51 AM
interesting things to hear ..

but if btentzer is able to interpret the info we have ALL read  a few times (fresh eyes) .. and maybe find some connections others may have missed .. then i don't see why one would say, "hey this has already been discussed" ..

one, we all think differently .. and two, no one really knows how SM thinks.

if we all knew what SM meant, we would all have TPUs running our houses .. which clearly is not the case.  ::)

ANY cook knows .. just bc they have all the ingredients DOESN'T mean they know what you want them to make!

SM has given us "ALL" the info apparently .. but there is no algorithm on how to build it. So if someone wants to try a new project, let the person give it a shot.

devilzangel
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Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: gn0stik on May 17, 2007, 04:27:14 PM
bruce, devilzangel, sauron.

Please don't misunderstand me. I'm not trying to dampen anything here. I was just pointing out that if you read through these threads again you will see that much of this theory has been discussed before. A lot of people deleted their posts a while back so you'll have to look closely for some of it. As I said not much actual bench testing of those theories was going on back then so this is good. But these points have been rolling around in the heads of people who are doing bench testing now, for a long time.

Take GK for example. Sauron just posted an article about EMP pulses from nuclear bombs. In GK's stun gun experiments he fried or shut down or restarted all the electronic equipment in the nearby vecinity with those tests. He was EMP'ing the hell out of everything on those experiments. I just think that some people are farther along with this line of thinking that's all. Perhaps time would be better spent jumping in on some other experimenter's setups.

Also only a small portion of SM's words have been researched here. Why no research on the tesla lightening stories? Magnetometers? Go read about fluxgate magnetometers and SM's words about how he tuned sensitive magnetometers to produce real usable power. Check out the relationship between magnetometers and metal detectors, and how they work off of creating eddy currents in dissimilar metals. And how SIMILAR they are in construction to magnetometers, and how some magnetometers are so similar in construction to the TPU.

Why no in depth research on the MT angle that Turbo worked on, and in my opinion gave up on too soon? Why no research on the carl hurst letter? There are tons of angles to take into account here and as Bruce said, leave one component out of a TV and it won't work.

That is all. I also said that I hoped he got it. But having almost 2 years in on this research, some people here have at some point looked at, and gone down most of these paths a long time ago, I just think it might be more productive to focus attention in or perhaps get involved with some of those people. Turbo, Sauron have seen enough to find this interesting, in spite of the fact that they have to have seen some of this discussed before, so maybe I'm missing something. I'll go read it all again.

And yes everyone thinks differently, and can contribute differently, synergy. Please continue on, the more people at the bench the better.

Just know that the GK4 experiments had some very very scary physical side effects aside from the EMPs since that's the road you seem to be going down. His bones clicked and ached, he felts "soemthing" crawling all over his skin, couldn't think straight till he shut it off, etc. In my opinion, because he simply had the wrong pulse width. Be careful.

Regards,
Rich
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 17, 2007, 05:56:13 PM
Well spoken Rich, Sauron and Devilzangel!  Good info Sauron! 

A PUBLIC thank you to Devilzangel for properly formatting my pdf. file so that it includes everything.  I will upload it in a minute

I am going to continue to look at all the clues as my time pemits.

VERY IMPORTANT!! :
Now, continuing to work backward on this device, let us play the "why?" game.  I played this with my wife this morning and she figured it out in less than two minutes!

WHY did SM use baling wire instead of copper wire in his FIRST Tpu?
Her answer, "Because of what the metal is made out of."
Hmm...
So what is baling wire made out of? 
galvanized steel

So what is the difference between this and copper wire?
Hmm...  Some of you who just wound new coils will not like this..sorry I didn't figure it out sooner...

OKAY, here we go. 
All wire have the abilities to "give up electrons".  If you look at the per. table of elements and the atomic number, and research this out you will find the following out.

Wire, (DEPENDING on the type of metal) can either give up 1, 2, or 3.  electrons.  This also affects the ability of a magnet to stick to it.  This also affects the strength of the "CORE" (think collectors) of an electromagnet.

Also think Cold Cathode, being heated to release electrons!!

COPPER WIRE WILL NOT WORK AS COLLECTORS!!!

Copper will ONLY give up 1 electron.
Baling wire in SM's first device:  Gave up 3 electrons!!
It was not stranded so only produced a small amount of power...BUT it worked!
HMM..
So then he progressed in engineering from baling wire, to a ferromagnetic core, to a foam core.  WHY?
Because after time of engineering they found a wire for the collector.  A ferromagnetic metal. 

My guess:
Nickel plated stranded copper wire.  SM said "that the electrons reside on the surface of the wire."  So, if true, Nickel plated copper would work well.
Stranded Steel would work if insulated.
ANY STRANDED wire with the capability of releasing (3) THREE electrons.
This would make that collector 200% more efficient at releasing electrons than  copper!!

Copper CAN BE USED for control wires.
For collectors:
Aluminum will not work
Copper will not work

PLEASE post a source for a stranded wire made of a metal, insulated, that will give off three electrons.  ALSO any ideas for type of metal. 

Without UNDERSTANDING the function of the TPU, I would have never figured this out and we would have been here until Kingdom Come, using copper collectors.

Hmm...Maybe when SM said understanding was more important than copying, he meant it. ;)

To SM, modern King of the electron,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Gustav22 on May 17, 2007, 06:17:54 PM
Hi Bruce,

here is a quote of Otto's message (German language thread)
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1848.msg31041.html#msg31041
Quote
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Aber ich weiss sicher das es eine Legierung aus 2 nichtmagnetischen Metallen sein muss. Ich habe Alu, rostfrei, Kupfer und Eisen als Kollektoren ausprobiert. Alles schlecht. Aber als ich Legierungen ausprobierte war das seeehr viel besser als mit Kupfer.

Klar, ich meine den oder die Kollektoren.
In English this would be
Quote
...
But I know for sure that it should be an alloy from two non-magmetic metals. I tried Aluminium, stainless, copper and iron as collectors. All are bad. But when I tried alloys it was muuuch better than with copper.

Sure, I am talking about the collector(s)


Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Sauron on May 17, 2007, 06:25:22 PM
hi Bruce,

i too think Steven said like 3 times copper would do.

"we discoverd that lamp wire worked very well as collector" or something like that and also,
"About the collector:  It is three separate coils of multi strand copper wire laid one on top of the other, not
interleaved."

and"Lamp cord is what I use to connect my speakers to my amplifier." however this last one does not have to point to the collector.

Sauron.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Dansway on May 17, 2007, 06:36:18 PM
@Sauron,

Does SM mean that there are "three parts" as in three coils of wire in a stack just for the middle collector and not the top and bottom coils?

Could you post the photos again of your set up Sauron?  We much appreciate your imput Sauron.  Thanks!

~Dan
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 17, 2007, 08:44:06 PM
SM NEVER says COPPER about the collectors.

He says, "stranded wire."

The ONLY reference to copper wire is that he uses lamp cord (#14 copper stranded) to CONNECT the Amplifier (controller) to the Speakers. (collectors)  Which makes sense seeing how they are simply carrying the Frequency (sound) waves!

ALSO, do you know how much WORK he put into that "baling wire"!  He had to laminate it, bake it, etc... Why do ALL OF THAT if he could have gone down to the local hardware store and buy some copper?  I already gave the answer.

To SM, modern King of electrons,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: dutchy1966 on May 17, 2007, 09:07:30 PM
Bruce,

I like the idea of the collector not being copper and although SM has said he is not allowed to speak about the MATERIAL and the number of turns in the collector, it suggests that it isn't copper. Why else would he say this so explicitly?

BUT.... here is the EXACT phrase from SM about the collector where he does say copper....


It is three separate coils of multi strand copper wire laid one on top of the other, not
interleaved. Three is important. You can do many things with three coils. You can run
them in parallel, you can run two in series and one in parallel, or etc.
You can run a separate frequency into each coil for better control on large power units if
need be.
The control wiring is vertically wound in several segments around each of the horizontal
collector coils. Other control wires are wound around all of the horizontal collector coils
together.

Have you got an answer for this contradiction? I sure hope so....

regards

Robert
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Sauron on May 17, 2007, 09:25:57 PM
@Sauron,

Does SM mean that there are "three parts" as in three coils of wire in a stack just for the middle collector and not the top and bottom coils?

~Dan

hello ~Dan i think he means just what he say's.

three seperate coils
made of multi strand copper wire
laid one on top of the other
not interleaved

this he calls the collector (the whole thing) ,otherwise he calls it the collector coils.

For example here:

Listen, you need to make three coils or so one on top of the other.  But the important thing is to wrap the control coils perpendicularly around the collector coils.  There needs to be three of them all the way around.

Again:

Most of the more successful units we made had control wiring run or wrapped vertically over the horizontal collector wires.

And again:

They were run perpendicular to the travel of the collector wires.

He even adds:

They were run in multiple segments...

And again:

The control wiring is vertically wound in several segments around each of the horizontal collector coils. Other control wires are wound around all of the horizontal collector coils together.

So it's 3 coils:

You can do many things with three coils. You can run them in parallel, you can run two in series and one in parallel, or etc.  You can run a separate frequency into each coil for better control on large power units if need be.

Then about the feed:

Start the coil and get to catalyst.
Solid state devices are too slow to find the three major intersecting you know whats...
PC boards made out of different materials change the operating conditions of SS devices.
Soldering the components at least 1/2 inch above the board itself is essential to making a good SS 
control unit out of discrete devices.
As you know, Large amounts of FEEDBACK is essential to frequency and control when using SS 
devices for everything in the electronics world, HOWEVER, it is the enemy of generators!
we HAD to place our control devices in the middle of the operating coil.

There must be SOMETHING that tube control devices did differently then SS devices.
As my memory tells me, I originally used three old tube type frequency generators coupled to tube amplifiers It was using this apparatus that enabled me to first strike those magical tones.
Higher frequencies are actually the real catalyst...
Each segment could be fed a different frequency individually and or from a collector section to help perpetuate the oscillation and control.
Start them up one at a time each.
First frequency, then second harmonic component into the second, then the third.  When you eventually strike the cord look out.  You will know what has happened at that point.  In the mean time you can measure a slight output even if you do not strike the exact cord.  Larger collectors have a much greater ability to collect and dissipate more energy then the smaller ones. However, if they turn into a bomb it will not make much difference.  There is no such thing as a small lightning strike.

Last,but not least:

I was looking at the man from the Atomic Energy Commission and noted he had a kind face.
He smiled at me and we began to talk.
He told me that he admired my work very much. He told me that he thought of me as a fellow scientist. He told me that as scientists we had an obligation to protect people from our findings or things we discover if they may be generally harmful to them or the public at large.
He told me that it was the duty of conscientious scientists to keep the black genies in the bottles so as not to harm society any more then necessary. He mentioned the Atomic bomb and how much better the world would be if it never had been invented, right? I said , right!
He went on to discuss my technology in detail and reminded me of the destructive capability when the devices reach harmonic perfection. I told him that was a good analogy, or way of putting it.....

The magnetic wave is so strong that it will completely destroy any unprotected electronic circuits of solid state design. 


@ Bruce, are you sugesting someone changed the modern king's words?

Sauron.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 17, 2007, 10:33:29 PM
Sauron,

Follow me on this for a moment:
SM said:
three seperate coils
made of multi strand copper wire
laid one on top of the other
not interleaved


You can do many things with three coils. You can run them in parallel, you can run two in series and one in parallel, or etc.  You can run a separate frequency into each coil for better control on large power units if need be. (THIS IS THE PROOF HE IS NOT talkin about the collectors.)

Now we know from the rest of the posts that frequency, harmonic, and Intermodulation go into each of the three collector.  He is NOT talking about the collector here, he is talking about the wires wrapped perpindicular to the collectors.  And this IS where the output must be.  This would also explain the remark about TAO's comments and the electrons radiating perpindicular to the wires....Sauron, YOU have just helped me put together that part of the puzzle!!!

Look, here SM says,
"They were run perpindicular to the travel of the collector wires.  They were run in multiple segments (Not INTERLEAVED).  Each segment COULD BE (in larger units!) a different frequency individually or FROM A COLLECTOR section to HELP perpetuate the oscillation and controll."

Now, there are two types of control wires.  One type is wrapped individually around a portion of each collector(making for three segment).  And one type is wrapped individually around ALL THREE collectors in segment.  One of these is our AC electromagnet, to act as catalyst, and the other set must be the OUTPUT of the unit, NOT the collectors.  This would then make TAO's comment absolutely correct.  Now the question is which one is which.  SM tells us NOT INTERLEAVED.  I have had a difficult time with that word and need help.  Which ever of the above mentioned wires that are "not interleaved" (I need an accurate definition that fits this) is our OUTPUT!

I agree with Otto, the collectors need to be an alloy, one conductive and can give up three electrons.  SM created a DC rectifier Tube, without the vacuum and on steroids!!   Heat the cold cathode through the AC electromagnet.  Electrons are released, current starts to flow.  The first, then second, then third frequency is input into the collectors, and the current is magnified.  Tap the output control wires with a permanent magnet and you have :
SM's Words:
"...the PHENOMENON OF MAGNETIC COLLECTION"

Tao did have the secret!  And now we all do!!

Sauron, always question.  If you had not I would never have seen this!!!

To SM, the modern King of electrons!
Enough talk,
Time to build!!
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Sauron on May 17, 2007, 10:45:22 PM
Good Luck to you Bruce ;D
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 17, 2007, 11:23:30 PM
Thank you Sauron!   :)

I will make two seperate TPU's.  One I will make out of copper and the other out of an alloy, maybe stranded, maybe not.  I will post pics as I go.  We want to leave no stone uncovered.  My money is on the alloy.   ;)  But we will see.

P.S.  Remember SM's analogy of the electrons in the collectors being like water in a hose.  It can be sqeezed to move the water along (electromagnet)  Or lifted up or BOTH.  Perhaps when he places the magnet on the unit it somehow causes the electrons to "lift up" into the output/control wires.  Otto is close.  I see that now.  I now believe more than ever though, that neither set of control wires connect in series to the collector.  Of course experimentation will either prove or disprove this.  I think this device is more complex than some first thought. 



Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Motorcoach1 on May 18, 2007, 12:27:45 AM
As we get farther exploring the TPU and all the thought process going into this subject I for one take something SM said very interesting ( I used baling wire and made some coils)  ok ,  then he said that the SS unit was made from discrete devises. Doesn't that kind of rule out major components such as tubes and other large devices. clue here - how do you make a transverse electric magnet wave and how do you make a longitudinal magneto dielectric wave , the LMD wave is much faster and dosen't need any of the major components. Navy hand book printed in 1947 Torroid amplifiers and oscillators answers this. to be honest some things SM said are a little conntradickting or I'm must be interpeting them wrong. My new coil is a blaster when i operate it on low voltage I'm almost afraid to boost it to a higher voltage and yes if i close the gap it does arc. I read SM patent on his Plasma reactor and that is a cool little unit lots of information there.  well that my 2 cent ....Mike
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: giantkiller on May 18, 2007, 01:46:30 AM
I say you take 3 Telsa coils connected seqentially in a ring. Fire the first one then the 1st fires the second one, then the second fires the third one, then the third one fire the first. It goes around and around and around. Did it with stun guns. Posted it and I don't think anybody caught it. Circle of fire!. Tuned! RE!. Loads of fun!. Dangerous! Runaway not possible because of the blocking oscillator tuning. Whew! While I rarely posted very technical, I did post fun & clamity. Like down to earth. I did post the waves, the clashing transformers, the speakers, the blowout feedback, the 2 frequencies for phase cancellation, the harmonics, the magnetic interferences, the devices on the inside edges. Where did I get all this? From SM, Tao, Turbo, Mannix. I too read, and read and read. And I went straight to the effects. And boy did I cause a shit storm. So everybody here know this. And those before taught what to do. The 2 greatest mechanical lessons were from Otto. His jumpering and the order to use copper. We are there now. I patiently wait for your next posts. You are making great strides.

--giantkiller. Be at peace with your audience and take strides with no shadows.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 18, 2007, 05:58:29 AM
Okay, I am at SM's lightning clue.  Just when you think that this device can not become more complex.  Okay, my typer is tired, so you can look up SM's post of Tesla's Magnetic detector picking up a thunderstorm from very far away. 

The magnetic field produced by a thunderstorm is an electromagnetic field.  Okay, we have an AC electromagnet in the setup.  Everything points to 8 hz for that magnetic field.  It will be a place to start.

Approximate frequency of an electromagnetic field of a thunderstorm:
8 Hz.

Electromagnetic stirring:
We can note that the maximum torque occurs at 8-Hz. frequency

Sometimes, voltage fluctuations are caused by low-frequency voltage ... with maximum sensitivity to the luminous flux at a frequency around 8 Hz to 9 Hz.  (speaking of plasma)

So, working backwards, I arrive at Otto and his whistler wave (the name given to the low frequency output of a thunderstorms magnetic field) and gk and his warning of being turned into a bright ball of plasma! LOL   

One of the engineering reports stated that the unit operated for something like 2hrs 20 minutes before needing to cool off.  It was then turned on and operated for some more hours.  NO battery recharge.  So the question is, how much wattage are we talking about with this battery??  Please don't say he regenerated it from the output, that would require a DC to DC converter from the high voltage to recharge that little battery.  In the big unit there might be enough room, but the small 6" TPU, no way.

Entrainment:
Entrainment is the process whereby two interacting oscillating systems, which have different periods when they function independently, assume the same period. The two oscillators may fall into synchrony, but other phase relationships are also possible.
The system with the greater frequency slows down, and the other accelerates. Christian Huygens, a notable physicist, coined the term entrainment after he noticed, in 1666, that two pendulum clocks had moved into the same swinging rhythm, and subsequent experiments duplicated this process. Notably, the two pendula stabilized not in synchrony, but in antiphase. They satisfy the definition of entrainment because they have the same period, even though they have opposite phase. The accepted explanation for this is that small amounts of energy are transferred between the two systems when they are out of phase in such a way as to produce negative feedback.
SM's words:
"I originally got the idea from ELECTRON CIRCUITS which use vacuum rectifiers..."

(The phenomenon of entrainment is present in electron circuits which use vacuum tube rectifiers.  JUST LIKE TWO transformers out of phase, we are oscillating aprx. 8 hz Ac to our electromagnet.  We are oscillating three separate, high frequencies (sound).  As the greater frequency slows down and the others accelerate you get a REALLY Big kick. )  Now I understand better still the process within the collectors.  SM put everything but Mom's apple pie into this technology! :)

SM's words:
"...It is an insignificant power supply EXCEPT when the two transformers (two oscillators) get slightly out of phase with each other, or when they are connected in reverse of one another."

This is ENTRAINMENT he is speaking of.  He saw this and found a way to create that effect *KICKS* thousands of times a second and when they come together (NOT the frequencies joining together, but when the Phenomenon of entrainment brings them together in that nanosecond, look out!)

SM's words: 
"...all of those frequencies occasionally met at the same time with a much larger kick!"
And
"When I began to study the effects of multiple frequencies combined together I found out that when you deliberately strive to create the worst case scenario of frequencies you start to get some very measurable kicks.  In themselves they are not much.  But if you make enough of them FAST SENDOFF you get a collective power spike that is more than the power to begin with."  (Overunity)


Thank you for your time, and tomorrow I will give my brain a rest.  I need to know what metal ALLOYS worked best for Otto.  "Alloy" doesn't really help.  Maybe a few specifics would be nice.  Everyone seems to name their coils, so I will name my all copper one Genesis 1 and the TPU with alloy collectors and copper stranded control wires, Genesis 2.  I am thinking of using galvanized steel wire.  Same stuff as baling wire, just thinner.  Not stranded.  I will use copper stranded for the control wires and lamp chord to go from the controller to the frequency input of the collectors.

Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: giantkiller on May 18, 2007, 07:02:53 AM
@Bruce,
I don't see any mention of radiant energy. Is this an invalid item in your model?

It's late. Maybe I missed it.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: devilzangel on May 18, 2007, 07:22:51 AM
maybe the extra energy that is captured from the kicks is radiant energy.

about the wires .. Tom Bearden talks about using doped copper to help with capturing more ZP energy.

devilzangel
..
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Sauron on May 18, 2007, 07:24:57 AM
@Bruce,
I don't see any mention of radiant energy. Is this an invalid item in your model?

It's late. Maybe I missed it.

--giantkiller.

Hi Giantkiller,
Do you think the DEMPFCG or the EPFCG would cause some sort of RE burst?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explosively_pumped_flux_compression_generator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explosively_pumped_flux_compression_generator)

Sauron.

PS. it'looks very similair to your stungun exept you are missing the "explosion" to stop/compress the current.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: otto on May 18, 2007, 07:24:50 AM
Hello all,

if you built a 6" TPU ONLY copper wires for the TPU are OK!!!!

Otto
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 18, 2007, 08:13:37 AM
Thanks Otto.

Why would the wire type need to change with a larger diameter unit?

@gk  Good question, and I am not sure.  My thinking is that with so many processes going on inside of the collectors, that RE could indeed be a by product of everything.

And this brings be to the point I made when talking to Sauron.  It should be easy to test my theory both ways.  In a few day I will compile a list of experiment in order of priority I will be running.  I want to be as organized as possible and have a flow chart of each differant possability I have a question on.  As well as build my two new coils.

Regards,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 19, 2007, 08:33:55 AM
Bruce's reverse engineering report 1.1

My brain rested for a day (I wish) and all is well.
Okay, one of the original engineer reports gave us vital clues to guide us in the coil design.

Their report:  (note:  This is just a small part of the entire report, but this is the part I am interested in right now.)
Outside Diameter:  6"
Inside Diameter:  5"
Height:  1-3/4"
Weight:  12 ounces (metric 12 ounce = 340.20 gram)
Output power:  250 Watts
Output voltage:  160 Volts
Voltage Frequency:  5000 Hz.
Duration of Performance:  30 minutes

(This is me speaking again, not the engineering reports.  And my little tests.)
Now the part of this I am most interested in working backwards (I seem to be doing a lot of that lately...LOL) from is the WEIGHT.  Now, at my farm, I have very accurate lab scales that give me the weight both in grams and ounces.  I will use grams for accuracy.

First Test:
One single conductor of #16 stranded copper at 1 foot (metric 30.48 centimeters length:  lamp chord insulation)
6 grams.

Weight of unit with foam core, electronics, battery, wire and black plastic wrap:
340.20 grams

WITHOUT deducting for the foam core, electronics, battery, wire and black plastic wrap yet, we come to
6 grams = 30.48 centimeters     
340.20 grams/6 grams =56.70
56.70 x 30.48 centimeters = 1,728.22 centimeters = 17.28 meters of wire or 56.70 feet of wire.

NOW lets deduct:
85 grams for the core  (approx. weight of foam, if you think less or more change the math, but my end point will still be the same)
12 grams for the battery (weight of 1 AAA battery, and again could be a bit less or more)
28 grams for controller (approx. minimum weight)
28 grams for black plastic covering unit (approx.)

Total deductions:
153 grams

Total beginning weight:
340.20 grams
- 153 grams (deductions)
=  187.20 grams of wire (aprox)
Now, 187.20 grams /6 grams = 31.20 x 30.48 = 950.98 centimeters = 9.51 meters or 31.2 TOTAL approximate feet of wire in unit.


Second Test:
One single conductor of #14 stranded copper.  (lamp chord insulation)
8 grams
187.20 grams/8 grams = 23.40 x 30.48 = 713.24 centimeters = 7.13 meters or 23.39 TOTAL feet of wire in unit

If you are using smaller wire, simply cut and weigh and plug in the math to give you an approximate wire amount.  My last coil has way too much wire in it.  I will now make that adjustment on my next two.

SM's words:
"...If you know how to find the circuit potential, you tune into the frequency (this is the primary resonant one from which the other two, harmonic and intermodulation are derived) and you have enough short pieces of wire
(7 pieces that total about 187.20 grams in my next coil) you can convert as much power as you wish in a given space...."

I think we all need to get over tranformeritis, (A word I just made up, and it means the desire to keep adding wire in the hope that somehow that will produce power.  LOL myself included!  ;)

Also, in the next couple of days I will be posting two more important clues.  One unraveled some time ago, but it is now time to share, because it has become much more clear as we have progressed in our understanding of some of the processes in the TPU and is critical for power generation. 

The second post will be talking of the danger of tuning in to that "exact frequency" where explosion takes place and what that is.  I will give you a hint, it is not a number in Hz.  This will be important for safety and also illustrate the further function of the controller.

I have and will always try to take all pertinent SM posts into deductive reasoning not simply one or two as many seem to do and off they go on a wrong tangent.

Think three dimensionally and try to wrap your mind around all of the process's discussed.  I feel like we are very close.

I will post pics of new coils soon.

Thank you for your time,
Bruce




Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Motorcoach1 on May 19, 2007, 09:38:27 AM
mmmm that would be about 32 at 73 winds at 5 mm given 3 coils at 35 on the center coil.mmm 23.8 feet of tesla 1/3 wavelet  mmm ok threes a capacitor at every 43 degrees mmmm  .2 homes wsigal in 55 hrz mmmmm   mmm not i the box the capaciotr eeeds more tha ad ot eqale tomthat
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 19, 2007, 10:21:41 AM
Motorcoach,

You made me laugh! :D
I take it you did not undertand, so let me clarify the math..!
I took some wire
I cut it at 12"
I weighed it
I did math
I came up with how many feet of wire in a 6" coil depending on
what size of wire you want to use.
I used Metric because for weights it is much more accurate.  I then put the final tally of wire into feet to help those mathamatically challanged! :)

I hope this "pigeon" english helps!! LOL

Friendly regards,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Motorcoach1 on May 19, 2007, 10:34:04 AM
you made me wondr too @ 5000 MMMIN  the wave leingh tahat would be 186.28 fqaster thann light spped (n2 Z coupled) you need 90 degerrs to gap the spark and a bad ground ..... but you a astut you sure you don't work for rayhion
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Motorcoach1 on May 19, 2007, 10:41:35 AM
I neeed to send you my schamatiscs hahahaha
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 19, 2007, 10:47:57 AM
Motorcoach,

honestly I do not understand.  Are you referencing my post on another thread?

The engineers report was specific, AC 5000 Hz output of the TPU.

But on this thread, I am simply trying to figure out the length of wire I want to use to wrap my coil.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Motorcoach1 on May 19, 2007, 10:52:26 AM
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Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 20, 2007, 04:21:48 AM
Sound Pressure Waves    1.1

Okay, this next clue:

On a post by Jason, here:  http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg31923.html#msg31923 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg31923.html#msg31923)

Jason made some insightful comments about ionizers that clean air, and put an SM quote in his post and I think Jason may have hit a homerun.  I want to also redraw attention to that SM post, as it is a very, very important clue.

SM's words:
?When I accidentally stumbled on a device that appeared to actually pull electrons from the sky, it  was the ONLY working model for many months.?

Now sometime ago, some have concluded and posted, that because of this statement the ridiculous notion that SM is not the inventor, but somehow "found" the device, or that it was invented by someone else.

I would like to put forth a wonderful counter proposal, how about this:

?When I accidentally stumbled on a device that appeared to actually pull electrons from the sky,(SM came across an ionizer air cleaner, or device 25 years ago of that nature, and he thought about the electron circuit using a tube rectifiers, and worked and worked on the device, which was I believe now with Jason, was a type of ionizer that pulls electrons from the air, in everyday air cleaners.  SM worked on the ionizer until he finally was able with a tube circuit and frequency to produce power, and...)
it  was the ONLY working model for many months.?

NOW, remember our discussion of the Tesla thunderstorm Clue, many, myself included, thought the referance was strictly to the whistler wave of 8 Hz.. well listen to this:

Air purification
"The two most common electronic air purifies are negative ion generators and ozone air purifiers. Simply put, the former produces negative ions that attach themselves to the pollutants in the air thus removing them from the air that we breathe. Ozone air purifiers let out ozone in the air, which as an oxidizing agent, neutralizes pollutants like bacteria, virus, mold and mildew. Negative Ionizers Often referred to as the ?thunderstorm effect?, negative ion generation is achieved as air passes through the purifier, and the resultant air is intentionally negatively ionized and released. When these negatively charged ions collide with positive ions, which usually tend to be pollutants such as dust, bacteria, pollen and chemicals floating freely in the air that we breathe, they bond together and fall to the ground. Older ion generators used this principle of static charge. In the more modern electronic air purifiers, like electrostatic precipitators, the charge takes place within the air purifier itself rather than in the room, and the dust and particulates are captured on metal filters that can be removed and cleaned or replaced, getting rid of the need to vacuum and dust after ionization."

"...Negative Ionizers Often referred to as the ?thunderstorm effect?,..."  WOW, and guess what frequency to generate this, Yep, VLF...very low frequency, from 4 Hz to 60 Hz at very high AC voltage.  Think cold cathode, think ionizer.  I would immedietly encourage those experimenting with the whistler wave, to make sure it is AC and to Impede the signal (ie..increase the voltage, decreasing the current at the same time)  This will further the cascade of electrons within the TPU at they collide with large sound pressure waves.

Next Clue:
SM's words:
" I want you to start and think of the generator principles the exact same way that passing the sound barrier was accomplished.
Read
how the engineers finally developed the proper wing design to accomplish super sonic speed in aircraft.
I hope it will give you a picture of what is going on inside the generator and especially the collector."


Everyone has misunderstood this clue for a simple reason.  Notice that SM says, "...how the engineers finally developed..."  This is the clue that leads to further understanding of what is going on in the collectors.  This IS NOT a reference to the "area rule" or the indented curves put into the fuselage to allow the plane to break the sound barrier unless you plan on attaching a motor and flying your TPU...LOL     WHAT IT IS, is a reference to HOW THE engineers finally developed this knowledge....

They used a 8-Foot Transonic Pressure Tunnel.  This is what allowed them to do the different test to determine the area rule.  What we have in the collectors is a "TYPE" of transonic pressure Tunnel.  We are running large (AMPLIFIED) frequency.  These are putting out pressure waves within the collectors at transonic speeds.  These pressure waves, in particular, these act upon the ions within our tunnels (collectors).

As spoken above, modern Ionizers use an air intake.  You might say that the collectors have air intakes on steroids.  These large pressure waves converging on the ions released.

The speed at which sound travels depends on the medium through which the waves are passing, and is often quoted as a fundamental property of the material. In general, the speed of sound is proportional to the square root of the ratio of the elastic modulus (stiffness) of the medium and its density.

The matter that supports the sound is called the medium. Sound propagates as waves of alternating pressure, causing local regions of compression and rarefaction. Particles in the medium are displaced by the wave and oscillate.

Now, the reason that the frequencies being input into the collectors (resonance, harmonic, intermodulation) MUST be amplified is because it increases both PRESSURE and VELOCITY.

As a PRESSURE force:
   P = PRESSURE OR SHOCK OVERPRESSURE
   0 db = 2 * 10 E-5 n / m * E +2 = 0.00002 newtons per square meter = 6.76 * 10 E-6 ounces /square foot
   6 db = 2 times the pressure
   DB CHANGE = 20 * LOGBASE10 (PRESSURE CHANGE)

As a VELOCITY = U:
   U = 0 db = 4.9414 * 10 E-8 m * s * E-1 = 4.9414 * 10 E-8 meters per second = 0.0000000494 meter / second
   6 db = 2 times the velocity
   blast wind VELOCITY = U = (5*OVERPRESSURE/7*ATM) * (C/SQUARE ROOT(1+6*OVERPRESSURE/7ATM))
   blast wind PRESSURE = Q = 2.5 * OVERPRESSURE SQUARED/(7*ATM + OVERPRESSURE)
   DB CHANGE = 20 * LOGBASE10 (VELOCITY CHANGE)
   but it becomes non-linear and inaccurate progressively above about 170 db.  Although the speed of sound is 343 meters per second, a sound wave generates a certain actual particle velocity. This is the molecular velocity of air particles. Usually these velocities are extremely slow, after all molecules are very, very  small. However for extremely amplified sounds these velocities can become very high 10 TO 2000 meters per second, and are called ?blast winds? which generate ?dynamic pressure?(Q). These blast winds also consume a large percentage of the TOTAL acoustic output. The louder the sound, as in bomb explosions these blast winds produce a significant portion of the damage. Also, when a dynamic WIND wave(Q) hits a structure its momentum reflects and increases from at least twice the pressure to 4.4 times at 70 p.s.i. or even more the louder the shock wave. Interestingly, typical shock waves are very, very thin, about 2 molecules thick which is equal to 0.000000002 inches, even when pressure is very high:180-200 db.

SM's words:
"But it behaves very much like a simple radio receiver except for the fact that radio waves need to be amplified before they can be of any use to us."
And
"REMEMBER, all of that noise and hash in your solid state amplifier is in the output signal !
Now tell me? What do you think is happening inside the extremely sensitive torrid generator when you use solid state devices to attempt to create the required precise control frequencies to make catalyst and produce power???
By the way, your Solid State amplifier generates so much noise that if you measure the mains wiring you can see noise from YOUR amplifier (the capitalization is SM's.  Do you think he is trying to tell us something?  LOL) actually getting back through the transformer and into the mains input wiring!!!
Understand what perfect frequency is."
And
"Lamp cord is what I use to connect my speakers to my amplifier. You should hear my new amplifier I have made."
And
"I am using 6BQ7-A tubes for the input and phase inverter because they are VHF amplifier triodes designed to operate in Color TV at very high frequencies and so you can imagine how crystal clear my high frequencies are in my stereo amplifier."
And
"Did you know that electron transit times in some tubes approach the speed of light?
They are mini particle accelerators. (Why?  AMPLIFICATION = VELOCITY and pressure)
Did you know that the best electron transit times of transistors is about like turning on a mechanical switch for a lamp?
That is probably why they use so much negative feedback in transistor amps, to keep the output signal close to what the input signal was.
But, if you need all that negative feedback to lower distortion doesn't that SLOW down the amplifier even more?
Gee, why not just build a tube amp to begin with
Less distortion and little need for feedback overdose.
Much faster all around."
And
"You know, it would be especially suited for high frequency reproduction." (NOTE:  high frequency REPRODUCTION.  We are NOT looking for radio waves.  Get it out of your brain!)
And
"I have designed some amps using MOSFET , etc.
which sound very much like tube amps.
However when I want to design a new amp I always start with tubes and when I get them perfected I move on the MOSFETS..."
And
"I made an amp and had a really difficult time with a 35K resonance."

               So, on and on SM states that the frequencies (resonance, harmonic, intermodulation) MUST, HAS TO BE, WILL NOT WORK WITHOUT the stage of amplification of the frequencies.

WHY?  They will lack both the pressure and velocity to allow the TPU to go to catalyst. :o
I plan on, and would suggest TWO different parts of the controller.  1 part = circuit to both produce our AC electromagnet and at the same time, acts as the AC high voltage Ion producer (cold cathode).  The second part is MUCH MORE sensitive.  It is a "type" of tube amp to AMPLIFY the frequency.  If using Solid state, it must mimic the SPEED of tubes, think distributed amplifiers (They mimic tube amps)  Your circuit for this SM states MUST BE soldered ? inch above the board, to keep the frequencies PURE.  Or if you use tubes, THINK TUBE AMP. I do not know what pressure or velocity (a function of db. ) is needed.  This will come through experimentation.

IF you ignore the amplification stage, do not expect catalyst.  After years working to mimic the tubes in SS devices, SM never would have if AMPLIFICATION of the Frequency was not needed.

As the clues cascade, soon so will the electrons.
Now we start to further understand.

Tomorrow I will post the meaning of the warning clues given by SM.  THIS will be very important for experimenters to avoid disaster.

Thank you for your time, and again I hope that it has been fruitful.
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Grumpy on May 20, 2007, 05:58:04 AM
Bruce ,

Radiant Energy - ala Tesla.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Tesla outlines the warnings and dangers.

SM picked his device up with his bare hand - the only danger there was the heat produced by the device.   

Tesla - No shields, no cages.  Just coils, a spark gap and a capacitor.

Look at the different effects producd by Tesla with RE just by varying the impulse duration and hence the rate of change of the field.

Eric Dollard has reproduced these effects.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 20, 2007, 06:51:47 AM
First, a PUBLIC thank you to my TPU partner for locating the following video.  It is 3 minutes long and it is proof of the EXACT frequency of the Whistler Wave.

If this is old new for some of you, shame on you for not telling the rest of us as I wrote 8 Hz in my posts!  The exact frequency of the Whistler is 7.8 Hz.  If you do not think that it make that much differance, watch this video.  I have dial up at my farm and took forever, but it was well worth it.  This ONE THING could make a huge difference between a TPU that works or doesn't.  We must work together, even if some of us have different ideas, for in the end, they may very well be connected.

http://video.google.es/videoplay?docid=5540717206741162529&q=marcos+magnets (http://video.google.es/videoplay?docid=5540717206741162529&q=marcos+magnets)

Thank you for your time, and enjoy the 7.8 Hz show.
P.S.  If some of you magnet guys can't think of something to do with that, I'd be surprised.   ;)

Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Motorcoach1 on May 20, 2007, 07:30:04 AM
THanks for the video I must not have been paying attention about the Whisthler wave . The schumans rersonate frequency is the same 7.8 , Theres a web site that you can see the daily forcast on it  , It shows all the upper levels and lower levels too    http://147.175.143.11/schr-e/index.php?filename=200704180100  ... Mike
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: devilzangel on May 20, 2007, 08:52:01 AM
a whistler wave isnt a name for a certain frequency ..
1. http://www.oulu.fi/~spaceweb/textbook/whistler.html
2. http://spp.ece.cornell.edu/rockets/T-III/whistler.html
3. http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/plasma/lectures/node50.html#f13
4. http://www.answers.com/topic/electron-cyclotron-wave
5. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_cyclotron_resonance

 also called a electron cyclotron wave

as also noted by Motorcoach1, the 7.8 Hz freq. is called Schumanns Frequency.

it is derived from speed of light/circumference of sphere (earth)
300000km/s / 40000km/cycle = 7.5Hz .. very close to 7.8

as read on other sites .. the freq. changes due to other factors like atmosphere, magnetism, fields, etc.
Quote
The fundamental frequency of the Schumann resonance
is roughly the fundamental frequency of a spherical shell whose
inside boundary is the surface of the Earth
and whose
outside boundary is the ionosphere,
acting as  a spherical shell electromagnetic waveguide cavity.
 
The fundamental frequency ought to be roughly
the time it takes electromagnetic radiation
to go all the way around the spherical shell.
 
Since the speed of light is about            300,000 km/sec
and one cycle is the circumference
of the Earth, which is about                  40,000 km/cycle
 
the fundamental frequency should be on the order
of              300,000 km/sec
             _____________________     =  7.5  cycle/sec
                40,0000 km/cycle
 
 
A cycle/sec is just a Hz, so that 7.5 cycle/sec is 7.5 Hz. 
 
The Schumann Resonances are actually observed
by experiment to occur at several frequencies
between 6 and 50 cycles per second;
specifically 7.8, 14, 20, 26, 33, 39 and 45 Hertz,
with a daily variation of about +/- 0.5 Hertz.
 
The 7.8 Hz observed fundamental resonance is
close to the rough theoretical estimate of 7.5 Hz.


devilzangel
..
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: turbo on May 20, 2007, 09:30:29 AM
hi Bruce, the resonating magnets in my video are assumed to be simply the magnetic component created by the magnetic emissions of lightning strokes (schumann resonance)

when you talk about the whistler wave, the electrical component comes into my mind and you can listen to the sample of a recording of whistler waves from lightning attached below.
Turbo.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: turbo on May 20, 2007, 09:39:17 AM
here's a quote from SM:

His theory was that the TV while in operation, somehow managed to become a receiver of more then just television waves and so for a millisecond in time became a receiver and the discharger of a huge amount of electrical and magnetic energy.

Except for the fact that it wouldn't have been designed to collect and convert the available power in a useful way.
Instead, the TV just stumbled for one millisecond on the correct combination of frequencies necessary to cause the phenomenon of magnetic collection.
But unfortunately the TV set had no way to control the function and began to absorb and discharge both the electric and magnetic factors caused by the influence of the strong field.
Turbo
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: turbo on May 20, 2007, 11:00:41 AM
now about what i think on the whistler wave,
in one video Steven mentiones a vibration at "7.3 cycles per second".
in two other videos he mentiones aproximatly "right about 5500Hz" and around "6000Hz"

i have done some analysis of the exact moment Steven picks up the coil from the table  in the UEC demo video.
as he does this you can hear a loud sound coming from the coil.

i have attached the picture of the moment this happend aswell as the sound.
i have also attached the linear frequency analysis, the non linear analysis, and the spectral analysis.
i have also attached part of the output waveform aswell as a zoomed part of the waveform.

Turbo.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: turbo on May 20, 2007, 11:28:56 AM
the pic's in my previous post are from the real sound sample taken from the video.
i have done a simulation of mixing a 5340Hz sine wave with an 7.3 Hz square wave and the result looks very much like the waveform from the video sound sample so mixing sine with square might be present in the tpu.

Turbo.

Ps. when i was running the sound file thrue the spectrum analyzer my cpu overheated and my computer shut off and rebooted abrubtly....very strange.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Mike_M on May 20, 2007, 01:57:49 PM
I can hear the same sound a few seconds earlier (at ~2:55) when Steve takes the wire from the TPU.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: turbo on May 20, 2007, 02:14:33 PM
I can hear the same sound a few seconds earlier (at ~2:55) when Steve takes the wire from the TPU.

Yes indeed the sound can be heard twice.
also you can hear the other little coil which he shows in the video ,ramp up when he activates it.

Turbo.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: shuzammy on May 20, 2007, 03:16:20 PM
Impressive!  A genuinely intuitive forensic analysis.  Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 20, 2007, 03:52:25 PM
Great work and though process, Turbo!  Very impressive indeed.  I would like you to run one more simulation for us, and that would be the same as before, but in reverse.  BE CAREFUL.  In otherwords, run the frequency as square wave and the 7.8 as Sine.  I bet if will be a match!  Everyone believes that the three sound frequencies are sent as square waves.  There would be no reason to send the AC 7.8 Hz voltage as anything other than Sine.  Please post and let us know..

Thank you Turbo,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: dani1 on May 20, 2007, 05:40:24 PM
is this ratio coincidentally ??
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: hartiberlin on May 20, 2007, 06:23:22 PM
Hi Turbo,
well done analysis.

But which video did you take as the source ?
This one ?
http://overunity.com/stevenmark/stevennew.mp4

This is the original from Mannix with the good sound 44 Khz Stereo audio,
so you have a high sampling frequency in there.

But I justwatched itagain, and I am not sure, that it really is the sound
of the TPU !

Watch this again:
At minute, 3:11 he picks it up, but the connector is scratching on the
table !
This again can be heard at 3:30 and 3:31.
At 2:55 it is definately the connector, which is scratching on the glas table also !

At 3:11  I am not sure.
I used FFDSHOW with Mediaplayer classic, so I could
make the Gamma Factor and dark parts  a bit brighter, so you can see better the
connector plug, which is scratching on the glas table at these seconds...

Also you have to keep in mind, that the sound in the original MP4 file is AAC codec
compressed, so I don?t know, how exact it replicates the original frequencies...

Also these lossy audio compressions always cut out frequencies,
which the human ear does not hear
due to the louder frequencies overshadowing the smaller power frequencies...
(The human ear can not hear smaller volume tones, if there is a big noise in the
foreground..)
So there might also be missing a few frequencies in the AAC encoded audio.

Would be great to have this part of the video just in raw PCM WAV file from Mannix,
who had the original...

Mannix, could you please send this as a raw PCM 16 Bit Wav file from your tape ?

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: turbo on May 20, 2007, 06:32:51 PM
Hi Turbo,
well done analysis.

But which video did you take as the source ?
This one ?
http://overunity.com/stevenmark/stevennew.mp4

This is the original from Mannix with the good sound 44 Khz Stereo audio,
so you have a high sampling frequency in there.

But I justwatched itagain, and I am not sure, that it really is the sound
of the TPU !

Watch this again:
At minute, 3:11 he picks it up, but the connector is scratching on the
table !
This again can be heard at 3:30 and 3:31.
At 2:55 it is definately the connector, which is scratching on the glas table also !

At 3:11  I am not sure.
I used FFDSHOW with Mediaplayer classic, so I could
make the Gamma Factor and dark parts  a bit brighter, so you can see better the
connector plug, which is scratching on the glas table at these seconds...

Also you have to keep in mind, that the sound in the original MP4 file is AAC codec
compressed, so I don?t know, how exact it replicates the original frequencies...

Also these lossy audio compressions always cut out frequencies,
which the human ear does not hear
due to the louder frequencies overshadowing the smaller power frequencies...
(The human ear can not hear smaller volume tones, if there is a big noise in the
foreground..)
So there might also be missing a few frequencies in the AAC encoded audio.

Would be great to have this part of the video just in raw PCM WAV file from Mannix,
who had the original...

Mannix, could you please send this as a raw PCM 16 Bit Wav file from your tape ?

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

no,no Stefan,
this is the sound of the coil,  i am quite certain.
it reacts to the horizontal movement.
the frequency line is VERY clear on the analyzer and it seems like i have heard it before....somewhere
i even saw Steven thinking for a moment like,?ops that should not happen"
Turbo.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: turbo on May 20, 2007, 06:35:44 PM
is this ratio coincidentally ??

Hi could be, i am still trying to get a better analysis.
there is a component present between 5 and 6 Khz and also around 16700Hz or so.

Turbo
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Dansway on May 20, 2007, 06:44:11 PM
@Turbo,

Excellent work!  If anyone is going to get this (tpu) "replicated" is could be you.

Thanks for sharing!

~Dan
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: hartiberlin on May 20, 2007, 06:44:20 PM
By the way,
at 4:18 to 4:20 he activates the smallest TPU with a magnet from his pocket.
Did you see this ?
He lets the magnet stick there inside the TPU !

After he did show the 100 Watts lamp on it, he flips the unit by 180 degrees, so
it is basically turned off ( due to the spin down effect then).

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: hartiberlin on May 20, 2007, 06:55:22 PM

http://overunity.com/stevenmark/stevennew.mp4


Regards, Stefan.

no,no Stefan,
this is the sound of the coil,  i am quite certain.
it reacts to the horizontal movement.
the frequency line is VERY clear on the analyzer and it seems like i have heard it before....somewhere
i even saw Steven thinking for a moment like,?ops that should not happen"
Turbo.


Turbo,
please watch again at 3:30 he puts the TPU again onto the table,
but first the connector plug is put down and there you hear again this high pitched
scratching tone!
In my view it is just this connector plug scratching with its sharp edges on the glas table !

You can hear it again at around 3:49, when he pushes the bigger TPU to the side on the
table together with the connector plug .

So I don?t know, if you you are right with your analysis, but maybe
the connector wires transmit the vibrations from the TPU to
the connector plug,so it vibrates on the table ?
Hard to say...

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: turbo on May 20, 2007, 07:08:12 PM
Hi Stefan,
these lines on (espacially the spectral) analysis are too close to the frequency Steven actually mentiones to be the scratching table.
i have spend quite some time analysing and you can actually hear the control circuit adjusting the frequency when the coil is moved.
also it reminds me of something i have heard before.

anyway i felt it to be important to share the results , make of it what you want.
table of coil, it's still work in progress.
Turbo.

Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: turbo on May 20, 2007, 08:00:16 PM
if there is anybody intrested, :)
here is my latest "whistler" wave.
Turbo.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: gn0stik on May 20, 2007, 08:10:51 PM
Turbo, that reminded me of the old days when ran your two tpu rings from techno music, and fried your soundcard in your laptop. LOL. You still have those old videos? I like how they showed the effect of stacking rings. That is an effect that nobody pays any attentiont to now days.

Memories.

Nice work on the spectrum analysis by the way.

Regards,
Rich
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: turbo on May 20, 2007, 08:20:44 PM
sure over here:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7082673488886245275 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7082673488886245275)
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: gn0stik on May 20, 2007, 08:34:14 PM
Ahh, good stuff Marco.

I hope everyone watches that.

Notice what happens when he squeezes the IRON wire folks? When he places one ring over the other one?

Notice what happens when he perturbs the field with his hand over the rings? GK, you might find this one particularly interesting.

Notice how it works on top, but not on bottom?

by the way, I think Marco did this before we had the info on general construction of the rings, hence his iron collectors are very large, with lots of turns. And construction isn't typical to what we have come to build. But a very interesting early experiment all in all.

Regards,
Rich
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: turbo on May 20, 2007, 08:45:57 PM
Turbo, that reminded me of the old days when ran your two tpu rings from techno music, and fried your soundcard in your laptop. LOL.

Regards,
Rich

actually it was Queen music  :)

Turbo.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 20, 2007, 09:03:03 PM
Ahh...nothing like good detective work and deductive reasoning by many, to get my blood pumping!  Better than an expresso....

Okay, this is what I think so far...

I think SM inverted a dc battery to alternating current at 7.8 Hz HIGH VOLTAGE. 

He then ran this through the electromagnet (control wires wrapped around all three collectors.) and then from there, being wired in series with the collectors it oscillated (being AC) 7.8 times a second high voltage on the wires. 

This in turn through friction on the wires releases ions, negatively charged electrons.  This is the RE (radiant energy).  As we know, negatively charged particles are attracted to a positive charge and join themselves to it.  This would explain why SM was able to extract the ions with a permanent magnet on the out put wire.  This would also explain the cascading effect of electrons and the turbine effect.  And would explain when he took off the magnet no more voltage as it wound down, and all of those ions are ABOVE the wires (RE) not on them.  This would also explain SM's statement, "...Phenomanon of Magnetic collection."

I think the resonant, harmonic and intermodulation frequencies, amplified, act as a type of oscillating accelerators of the ions.

One of the dangers from an Ion air machine (negative ion generators) is RF.  Remember the RF produced in that one demonstration video?

"Any home ionizer has the potential to produce RF burns even through protective gloves. Electrical Gloves are recommended but not totally full proof over longer periods. The ions tend to ride a few centimeters above (traveling along) the wires and then spread outwards. (RE)  Over time saturation of the negative ions will build-up slowing or stopping the pulse propulsion i.e. electron flow."

And listen to this:
"Negative ion generators, as opposed to HEPA air cleaners, force high-voltage electricity to one or more needlepoints. Electricity is simply electrons in motion. Since electrons repel one another, when they reach the needlepoint, they jump off and attach themselves to the molecules in the air, forming negative ions."

"How does a negative ion generator produce negative ions?

    "There's several ways to generate negative ions, but the way we do it is apply a safe, extremely low-current, high voltage to sharp points (the ion emitter). Without getting into a detailed explanation and delving into electron physics, the electrons build up on the sharp points and are ejected into the air, where they attach themselves to oxygen atoms. Since the electrons have a "negative" charge, the molecules of oxygen with extra electrons become negative ions."

Hmm...sounding like Lindsay's parable now!

I see it so clearly.  I was wrong about induction being the method of cold cathode.  It is RE Ions.  The electromagnet helps to contain these ions within the TPU.  One of the significant things about torroids is the ability of a magnetic field on a Torroid to "trap" electrons. 

"Electronic filters, generally marketed as electronic air cleaners and formerly referred to as electrostatic precipitators, employ an electromagnetic field to trap particles."


Credit to Jason and his post in gk's thread for getting the ball rolling.   

Thank you as always for your time!
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: eldarion on May 20, 2007, 09:47:24 PM
This may also be how the Testatika works! ;D
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Motorcoach1 on May 20, 2007, 10:03:54 PM
heres a toy i bought a while back . you guys might have fun with it  http://www.alltronics.com/cgi-bin/item/99K001/29/Ion-Propulsion-Motor-Kit  Mike
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 21, 2007, 01:21:45 AM
In my research of the Ion generators, I find that they have an electron needle made of tungsten, to give the ions a "jumping off point"  and the Ions are pushed (or jump)off of this sharp point into the air where they combine with the air molecules and join friends to themselves thus "pulling electrons from the air."

Now, from an engineering standpoint, I see two options. 
#1
There is an actual tungsten needle within the collectors, 
or
#2
The amplified frequencies provide sufficient pressure and velocity where the ions form bonds above the wires with air molecules being pushed at them and pushing them along.

Also, the type of metal wire has alot to do with the "quantity" of ions we will be able to generate within the collectors.  (just something to think about)

Also, at what minimum high ac voltage does this take place?  I have researched and cannot find a number.  Anyone finding this, please post. 


Thank you for your time,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Motorcoach1 on May 21, 2007, 01:38:46 AM
FRom what i have found the ac stage is around 1Kv at the small transformer then uses a voltage mutiplyer for every 4 or 5 pins. A small transformer ouit of a throw away camera would work for a small unit and then you made not need the AC most run on 1,5 volts. the other small transformer in the camera might be used as the ocillator amplifyer circut  @ the end point of full output of the multiplyer is about 5Kv this is dong by chaining the Caps and cascadeing the voltages ramping them up. a note here if the pins have to have open proxcimetry or the ion won't propgate properly   
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 21, 2007, 02:10:53 AM

@Motorcoach
Thank you, that is very useful information indeed.

The electron needle is the sharpest manmade object.  The tip holds ONLY 1 atom.  (Think jump or be pushed!)  Used in all electric ion generators, from what I can find.  Made out of Tungsten because of chemical properties to hold sharpness when exposed to air...So, stick to the copper! LOL (for now)

"Is there a needle or is there not a needle, that is the question!" 

We need negative Ions to collect above our wires.  Probably why SM calls them collectors. LOL 

Hmmmm......   ???
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Motorcoach1 on May 21, 2007, 02:22:43 AM
 One of the ion genarators i'm useig just uses a standard wire about guage 23 nothing fancy at that bottom i use teflon tube to insulate it. the circut just uses Ac current inwich i'm changeing to the transformer so i can run it on lower volatges for now but if thigs work out then I'll remove the transformere when the TPU is self supporting . The kit is from Carls electronics for about 29 dollars  but is real simple to build without the kit , basicly just diodes and capicators .
 http://www.electronickits.com/kit/complete/misc/ck1103.pdf
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 21, 2007, 02:56:19 AM
@ Motorcoach1
Awesome news.  The electron needle concept was giving me a headache.  Do you have a way of measuring the negative ions that are put off (RE)? 
Thanks for the link.

Okay....next dillema for thought.

How to remove the ions from the collectors.  SM did this with a magnet (Lindsay assures me that he did not have to have the magnet to make the TPU function)

But let's talk about the magnet.  This was used to extract the Ions and attract them to a positive charge.  How was this done?  This is what we next need to understand.

"As it happens, a moving charged particle will be deflected
by a magnetic field. However, this is not the same thing
as saying that it will be attracted to a magnetic pole.
Electric charges are attracted to oppositely charged objects,
but not to poles of magnets.
 
The deflection of moving charged particles as they pass through
a magnetic field is the basis of mass spectroscopy, in which
charged particles are separated on the basis of their
charge/mass ratios.
 
By the way, the force that a magnetic field exerts on a moving
charged particle is perpendicular to the path of the moving
particle, not parallel (as would be required for negatively charged
particles to be attracted to a magnetic pole)."

Hmmm....
NEITHER neg or positive charged electrons are attracted to either pole of a magnet.  a magnet acts as a choke or sqeezing mechanism on the wire it is placed on to redirect the flow of electrons.  Remember his post about the electrons in the collectors being like water in a hose.  He said that you could move the water along by lifting it up (ions off of the wire ..RE) or by sqeezing it to get the electrons to go where you want.

So the question we must answer is this:
How do we choke the wire with a permanent magnet to redirect the flow of ions to our output and then turn those negative ions into a positive charge.  Think triode tube workings, think ...    ???

As always thank you for your time,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Motorcoach1 on May 21, 2007, 03:21:49 AM
 I like gold leaf to test for Ions. gold is a very poor conductor , most people see gold plated fittings thinking that it is better for conductance by thats only there for corrosion. hold the god leaf about 1/2 inch away from the pin farm , don't touch the pins you will get a nasty shock lol and thats fun,         as for part 2 of your question , The only thing i see that is not said but brought up a few times is the hot spots in all the coils. When steve waves the magnet you notices that he felt the ring while talking and seem to put the magnet on the cooler side so to get the wave moveing faster then the hot spot went away, this i feel happens when the 2 opposeing feilds stall and needs to start them moveing in oposeing rotations. If this doesen't happen when he turns it on then the SS control may saturate and burn up a componet, then all is lost.   on part 3 getting the current , thats still a mystrey but i feel thats through cold coupling next to the colecctor wraped paralell to the collector.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 21, 2007, 04:03:39 AM
@ Motorcoach1
I agree that the "control wires" wrapped individually around a portion of each collector is indeed the output for these ions

The way to turn a negative ion to a positive ion is to provide a "positive plate" think vacuum tube, think electron stream of negative ions to a "positive plate."  So these wires that SM says are one on top of the other, wrapped perpindicular around the collector can be wired in series or parallel or both for the output.  This tells us that there is MORE THAN one positive plate.  Why?

For if not, then regardless of how these controls are wired it would not affect voltage/current.  The power/watts is always the same. 

So what we have here are three positive plates to "suck in" (Turbo's words!  ;) ) the ions and turn them into a positive charge when they join themselves to the positive charge of the output wires.  The magnet could be used (as they do in some water chemistry methods) to direct the flow of electrons to our positive wires.

Hmm..   ??? 

Thank you for your time,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 21, 2007, 04:43:28 AM
This drawing IS NOT a schematic, just a pic to help visualize things a bit, and help me think.

Thank you for your time,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 21, 2007, 05:32:07 AM
Okay, this is my last post for the night.

My typer is tired and so is my brain.

Remember the exploding TV's SM told us about?  Let's see if they have all the components of a Vacuum tube and my model of how the TPU works.

Correct Amplified Frequencies - Yep, SM said they tuned to them for a millesecond
Both AC and DC - Yep
An ion generator - Yep, called an electron gun, produces and shoots out negative ions
A positive charged plate - Yep, the Screen
Short pieces of wire - Yep, of course.

TPU
Has an AC signal with Dc output
Reproduction of Amplified Frequencies, Resonant, Harmonic and Intermodulation
An ion generator - Yep high voltage, low current
A positive charged plate - somehow yes, whether wired or not, unknown*
Short pieces of wire - Yep, of course.

Thank you for your time,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: turbo on May 21, 2007, 07:15:52 AM
when i read that i feel like i am being warped back in time to the beginning of the research project....

oh, and don't you forget the deflection yoke ;)
without that you would only see a dot in the middle of the screen, the beam would not move...
Turbo.


Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: otto on May 21, 2007, 07:28:56 AM
Hello all,

@Bruce,

I want to answer you in this way.

I saw this video 1 year ago. Nothing spectacular.

Youre talking about a few Hertz. I always thought we are working with frequencies in the kHz range.
Please dont go a year backwards!!!!

Reed this carefully:

when you have the right configuration of your TPU you will see that the kicks are more and more changing into sinewaves. This sinewaves then will be at the frequency between 5 and 10Hz!!!!

You dont have to pulse your coils with this frequency. You dont even have to play with this frequency. Again, use frequencies in the kHz range.

Just concentrate to have the best possible coils. I gave you all my setup. Nobody wants it. Guys, its on you to use my little knowledge or to work another few years on NOTHING.

Otto
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: devilzangel on May 21, 2007, 07:55:51 AM
I like gold leaf to test for Ions. gold is a very poor conductor , most people see gold plated fittings thinking that it is better for conductance by thats only there for corrosion. hold the god leaf about 1/2 inch away from the pin farm , don't touch the pins you will get a nasty shock lol and thats fun,         as for part 2 of your question , The only thing i see that is not said but brought up a few times is the hot spots in all the coils. When steve waves the magnet you notices that he felt the ring while talking and seem to put the magnet on the cooler side so to get the wave moveing faster then the hot spot went away, this i feel happens when the 2 opposeing feilds stall and needs to start them moveing in oposeing rotations. If this doesen't happen when he turns it on then the SS control may saturate and burn up a componet, then all is lost.   on part 3 getting the current , thats still a mystrey but i feel thats through cold coupling next to the colecctor wraped paralell to the collector.

now, i am shocked to hear that gold (Au) isnt a good conductor of electricity .. sorry but thats wrong.

http://www.standnes.no/chemix/periodictable/electrical-conductivity-elements.htm

electrical conductivity:10^6 Ohm^-1 Cm^-1
Silver (Ag) - .630
Copper (Cu) - .596
Gold (Au) - .452

devilzangel
..
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 21, 2007, 08:15:11 AM
@ Otto
The SOUND frequencies input into the coils are in the Khz.  When SM talked about HIGH Frequency it was ALWAYS in referance to the SOUND frequencies.
The resonant, harmonic and intermodulation.

You are inputing DC voltage if I am not mistaken.  Yet everything SM has said shows there is AC signal with DC output.  Also the "EDDY CURRENTS" he was having trouble with can ONLY be caused by an Alternating Current electromagnet.

The STRONGEST electromagnet field is found at 7.8.  Whether you guys saw this a year ago or not.  Did you use 7.8 Hz AC at high voltage pulsed to produce ions??  While AT THE SAME TIME inputing AMPLIFIED SOUND FREQUENCY of the Resonant, harmonic and intermodulation.  AMPLIFIED PROPERLY as SM said?? 

If the answer is NO, then you CAN NOT SAY that this is wrong.

You are getting spike and light a bulb, but I see no details given on your thread, and I have read every page.
Example:  Input power = ?
              Output power = ?

I appreciate your hard work and your jumper ideas, etc.  But until we PROVE we have a fully working TPU, we can not say that someone elses idea is wrong.  I cold hard fact.  Nothing else matters.

thank you,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: bob.rennips on May 21, 2007, 08:45:20 AM
@ Motorcoach1
Awesome news.  The electron needle concept was giving me a headache.  Do you have a way of measuring the negative ions that are put off (RE)? 
Thanks for the link.

Okay....next dillema for thought.

How to remove the ions from the collectors.  SM did this with a magnet (Lindsay assures me that he did not have to have the magnet to make the TPU function)

But let's talk about the magnet.  This was used to extract the Ions and attract them to a positive charge.  How was this done?  This is what we next need to understand.

"As it happens, a moving charged particle will be deflected
by a magnetic field. However, this is not the same thing
as saying that it will be attracted to a magnetic pole.
Electric charges are attracted to oppositely charged objects,
but not to poles of magnets.
 
The deflection of moving charged particles as they pass through
a magnetic field is the basis of mass spectroscopy, in which
charged particles are separated on the basis of their
charge/mass ratios.
 
By the way, the force that a magnetic field exerts on a moving
charged particle is perpendicular to the path of the moving
particle, not parallel (as would be required for negatively charged
particles to be attracted to a magnetic pole)."

Hmmm....
NEITHER neg or positive charged electrons are attracted to either pole of a magnet.  a magnet acts as a choke or sqeezing mechanism on the wire it is placed on to redirect the flow of electrons.  Remember his post about the electrons in the collectors being like water in a hose.  He said that you could move the water along by lifting it up (ions off of the wire ..RE) or by sqeezing it to get the electrons to go where you want.

So the question we must answer is this:
How do we choke the wire with a permanent magnet to redirect the flow of ions to our output and then turn those negative ions into a positive charge.  Think triode tube workings, think ...    ???

As always thank you for your time,
Bruce

I posted this a few months ago but it passed people by:
Patent: 4,743,275  Electron Field Generator

You basically apply 5000volts at a frequency of 20khz across a pair of metal plates ( no points or spikes in sight). Between the plates is a homemade dielectric material - epoxy resin mixed with silicon carbide granules. Epoxy from your diy store and silicon carbide is used as a grinding paste for car valves, so can get from an automotive supplier.

Causes a cascade effect that suffuses the room with electrons.

Taken to the limit, a thin long plate, is also called a wire. We know that coils have inherent capacitance because they are in effect long plates with insulation between the plates( wires).

You already have high voltage spikes, high frequency spikes running around the coil. So obvious ideas, fill part of the core with the above epoxydielectric OR add two layers of epoxy, one between each of the stacked three collectors...

Indeed if I remember correctly the inside of the TP coils was stuffed with a fluffy/woolly/fibreglass material. In other words a crude dielectric...


Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 21, 2007, 02:24:55 PM
@ Bob

I too ran across a "mixture" almost identical to yours in my research.  BUT I think for me anyway, to start off with, I will start off small.  I am thinking of gk's two little video's.  And I am thinking of SM's warning.

If we can produce a "little" power with a "few" ions, then It is simply engineering as you suggested, to produce more.

I did notice the VLF you mentioned.  This next chart is of the "number of ions" produces at differant ma., etc.  This is for AC, because the DC hardly provides any in comparison.  Just a little side note there. 

Lastly we must not forget the interaction of the three (chord) frequencies of sound, with the negative ions.  Can anyone say, "transonic pressure tunnel" LOL.

Everyone else...

LASTLY:  I and my team need 1 (open-minded) electronics person, to assist in putting together schematics, etc.  Someone who knows their business and doesn't mind a "little" work.  I have a tube genius, and researcher already working with me.  If you have never or seldom posted, etc.  does not matter.  If interested, Please PM me.
Thank you.


P.S.  I only have one last clue to unveil, about safety issues and what the "frequency of power" is.  It still needs to be typed and I will have that within a few days.  After that Post, I am through with the clues, and through trying to convince people.  Today I build Genesis 1.  All circuits, schematics, experiments, etc. in detail will be posted here.

Thank you as always for your time,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Grumpy on May 21, 2007, 04:42:29 PM
I think you are looking for an "electron trap", not an ion generator.  Stefan Marinov's MAGVID is good for this.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1721.0.html
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: bob.rennips on May 21, 2007, 07:06:47 PM
I think you are looking for an "electron trap", not an ion generator.  Stefan Marinov's MAGVID is good for this.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1721.0.html

Marinov's ideas are excellent. Shame he was pushed off a building by an unknown - I don't believe it was a suicide.

My opinion is that the radiant particles are captured by a rotating magnetic field within a static magnetic field. It is the high speed rotation of these particles that generates the high intensity rotating magnetic field which induces electricity in the standard way.

A penning trap or magnetic bottle type arrangement should slow down the number of radiant particles that escape the system. As long as the number of particles generated exceeds the number escaping, you will have a gradual build up of particles. IMO these don't have to be perfect examples of a trap or bottle, just good enough so less leave than are generated.

What is interesting is that the rotating particles will increase the magnetic field of the static solenoid magnet. The higher the magnetic field of the static solenoid magnet the radiant energy particles are forced into a circular path of smaller radius. Conservation of momentum means the particles will speed up. This in turn means the magnetic field will increase because the particles are now rotating faster. Faster rotation will also increase the voltage which will also increase the amount of radiant energy particles released.

This I believe is the feedback event that will get out of hand almost instantly.

The catalyst point is creating more radiant energy than escapes the device. If you don't reach this threshold you get no effect.

The reason I'm interested in the flanagen electron field generator is that they admit they don't understand WHY the addition of particles has such a large effect, over extended areas of a room. I'm betting that there is a radiant energy component involved. In which case having one of these near to (or within) the TPU will hopefully allow catalyst to be reached.

As an aside, I've found these two utilies excellent:

Applet which allows multiples wave sources to be examined from a 2D positional perspective. Gave me some ideas of where to place coils.
http://www.eng.buffalo.edu/Courses/ee240/otherapplets/ripple/index.html

Understanding how 1st, 2nd etc harmonics and 90 degree out of phase waves combine to  give different wave forms.
http://www.phys.hawaii.edu/~teb/java/ntnujava/sound/sound.html

Use both together to determine some promising combo starting frequencies and geometric positions.




Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: bob.rennips on May 21, 2007, 07:39:51 PM
@ Otto
...you are inputing DC voltage if I am not mistaken.  Yet everything SM has said shows there is AC signal with DC output.  Also the "EDDY CURRENTS" he was having trouble with can ONLY be caused by an Alternating Current electromagnet...

This is not true. Eddy current are caused by a rapidly changing magnetic field that have a component perpendicular to a piece of metal or wire. So an electric DC pulse in a coil that goes from 0volts to 500volts and back down to 0volts, i.e. pulsed DC of the type OTTO is using, will have a rapidly changing magnetic field and WILL induce EEDY currents in a sheet of metal or wire.

Many texts books talk about EDDY currents only from a transformer perspective which is inherently AC, and generalise the rules, so I can see where you got this idea from.

SM actually said his output was DC with a high frequency AC component of around 5khz. e.g. Output is at 80Volts DC with a 5Khz ripple on top. So what Otto is doing is matching this as well.

Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 21, 2007, 08:28:52 PM
@ Bob
Thank you for explaining the Eddy currents a little better, if you could put up a source for that info.  EVERY thing I read said ac electromagnet.  I believe you, just want to verify.

Next item, is that SM never said 5Khz with ac component.  That was in an engineers report.  He logged the OUTPUT of the small TPU at AC 5 Khz. (BUT we know that it is DC OUTPUT with an AC signal.)

What SM said on NUMEROUS occasions was letting us know that both AC and DC can be on the same wire with two distinct paths.  Please refer earlier in this thread where they are all quoted.

AC is in the TPU or SM would not have said it and made such a point of it.  I do not understand why that bothers people to think it might have ac.

Think DC Tube Rectifier!  Turns AC signal to DC voltage.

Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 21, 2007, 08:53:32 PM
@ Grumpy
I like it. 
You see, I think I might be "over" engineering this in my mind.  When those AMPLIFIED frequencies in the collectors hit that pulsed Voltage, in the "wind tunnel" you will have an accleration effect that might give off all of the electrons we need within the "collectors".  As I have said before, why are the collectors called "collectors" unless they collect something.  That something HAS to be ions (negative or positive electrons).  SM's TPU would have NO output if there were not negative electrons attaching to positive ones.  There is Overunity because SM found a way to produce more positive electrons than he is putting in.

SM said if we find the right "circuit potential", some short pieces of wire, and frequency, than you can produce any amount of electricity in a given space.  We understand the frequency (Although some still refuse to amplify it and to do so correctly.  It boggles my mind) and the short wires of the TPU.  We need to understand somewhat the circuit potential.  And that may only come through experimentation.  If we had 100 experimenters each trying a little different route and compare accurate notes, we will get there.  Otto is have some success because he has wires, voltage source and frequency.  I do not know if it is amplified, how it is amplified (SS or tube circuit) etc.  The amplification process is what gives the sound pressure wave it's speed (velocity and pressure) within the collectors.  Why this is difficult to understand I do not know.

Only experimentation (And you know I believe that has to be with a tube circuit) can discover this.  I admire Otto, GK and all the others for experimenting. 

I wanted to work my way through the clues.  I have.  All except one to share in a day or two.

I feel I have helped myself and some others to understand a "LITTLE" of what is going on in the TPU.  Enough to make me feel comfortable experimenting with and wiring another coil which I go to do right now!  GENESIS1 

Thank you for your time,
Bruce   :)
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Grumpy on May 21, 2007, 09:32:54 PM
SM's terminology may not be his own but rather terms that he is permitted to use without repercussions.

SM's comments on TAO's post about stopping pulses and collecting the radiated energy pinpointed the operating principle.  This coincided with the talk of "shockwaves".

If the TPU has a rotating field it may be to enhance production of RE, enhance collection of energy, or to encase the RE so that everything else in the vacinity is not charged.

Second thought, SM mentions that an oscillation allows the magnification by starting the flow of current - this could be the purpose of the rotating field (it is the oscillation) - $#!+ got to write that down...
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: bob.rennips on May 22, 2007, 03:28:46 AM
@ Bob
Thank you for explaining the Eddy currents a little better, if you could put up a source for that info.  EVERY thing I read said ac electromagnet.  I believe you, just want to verify.

Next item, is that SM never said 5Khz with ac component.  That was in an engineers report.  He logged the OUTPUT of the small TPU at AC 5 Khz. (BUT we know that it is DC OUTPUT with an AC signal.)

What SM said on NUMEROUS occasions was letting us know that both AC and DC can be on the same wire with two distinct paths.  Please refer earlier in this thread where they are all quoted.

AC is in the TPU or SM would not have said it and made such a point of it.  I do not understand why that bothers people to think it might have ac.

Think DC Tube Rectifier!  Turns AC signal to DC voltage.

Bruce

@Bruce. Type "Eddy currents" into google. First entry confirms this in detail. What were your sources for 'EVERY thing I read' ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddy_current

You need to read your replies to Otto. YOU were making the point that because Otto was  dealing with DC pulses that he couldn't be on the right track because it wasn't AC. It was never said that the unit didn't have AC.

Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: bob.rennips on May 22, 2007, 04:14:15 AM
.....SM said if we find the right "circuit potential", some short pieces of wire, and frequency, than you can produce any amount of electricity in a given space.  We understand the frequency (Although some still refuse to amplify it and to do so correctly.  It boggles my mind) and the short wires of the TPU.  We need to understand somewhat the circuit potential.....

Bruce   :)

To characterise what SM said - if you have a weak magnetic field this doesn't necessarily mean your output will be low power. He gave examples how a faster rotating magnetic field would give a higher output and that the more short copper wires you placed to intersect this fast rotating magnetic field, the more power you could extract. He specifically mentioned to keep this in mind.

My interpretation of what it means to find the right circuit potential is as follows. I believe the radiant energy event, or kick, releases both -ve and +ve highly charged particles. But within a short space of time both these particles join together before you can make them do any useful work.

If however you have a combination of static uniform magnetic field, as produced by helmholz 'collector' coils, along with a rotating radial magnetic field, as produced by 'control' coils the particles will by the forces on the particles form two distinct planes of rotating particles. One rotating plane of -ve charged particles and one rotating plane of +ve charged particles.

You have now 'realised the circuit potential' because a rotating plane of charged particles causes a rotating magnetic field which can be intersected for useful power, as per the information given by SM.

The useful power would by definition be predominantly DC. But because the wires collecting the output would also be intersected by the rotating radial field generated by the control coils you have a much smaller AC component on top of the DC. If the control coils are pulsed in a circle at 5khz you will have a small insignificant 5khz component on top of DC output.

This mirrors exactly the point SM was making about how tubes work. You use a small AC current to heat the cathode, that allows a much larger DC current to flow. He made a specific point to say, look the output contains both because of the method of turning on the current. Note the outout of the TPU and make similar deductions on how this could work.

Later on he talks about tubes in a different context. In that tubes are MUCH better at preventing current reversals at high voltages - a requirement for Radiant Energy production ala tesla. They are also not as effected by large magnetic fields.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Grumpy on May 22, 2007, 05:38:55 AM
@bob.rennips

I think you are on the money, Bob, or at least pretty close.

Close enough to build something.

By the way, forced rotating magnetic fields can roll - like a ball.  So the frequency is not ncessarily what you think.

So, the outer wrap toroidal coil would be the pulse coil, inner segments would be the rotation coils and the collectors are collectors...


Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: otto on May 22, 2007, 06:49:35 AM
Hello all,

yesterday I only wanted to say that the TPU "automaticly" changes our kicks into sine waves. Nothing more. I saw this when I had my "success". The current from my power supply dropped dramaticly and then begun the pumping of my power supply. In the same moment I saw the kicks more and more formed into sine waves.

This is the reason we dont need to feed sine waves into a TPU.

Otto
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 22, 2007, 07:12:44 AM
Thank you Otto,

Your explanation helps us understand a little better what you are doing.
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here is a link of what appears to be a working "TYPE" of TPU, very interesting.
http://www.altenergy-pro.com/device06-2.htm (http://www.altenergy-pro.com/device06-2.htm)
I also would like to say that the frequency we have to use is RF .  There is a way to do this with a funtion generator, but I do not know how.  It was amplified RF frequency all along.  But still the resonant, in the first, then harmonic in the second and intermodulation  in the third.

That is what SM said and that is what he meant.  "It is like tuning in with a radio, the only differance is it is AMPLIFIED."

RF RF  RF  reproduced and AMPLIFIED.

The frequency of power is the Harmonic.  The "Center" one.  We "tune" off of that with the Resonant on one side and the intermodulation on the other. 

GK's coil will work completely when the RF signal is amplified correctly and input.

Thank you, no questions please.  Read the sticky for confirmation.

Bruce   ;)
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 22, 2007, 07:22:12 AM
For step by step information on how to build the controller, including debugging etc.  Please go to the following link and learn from the modern electron king. 

DO NOT LET THE APPEARANCE of the site decieve you..LOL

Print every page in case the site dissappears.

If you have been following my thread you will understand if your an electronic guy.

P.S.  Device = TPU when reading!

No questions, please.  PRINT<READ>LEARN

But first Look at GK's coil and understand how it is set up.

START ON CHAPTER 1 and learn.

http://www.du.edu/~etuttle/electron/elecindx.htm

Thank you for your time,  ;)
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: bob.rennips on May 22, 2007, 07:26:31 AM
@bob.rennips

I think you are on the money, Bob, or at least pretty close.

Close enough to build something.

By the way, forced rotating magnetic fields can roll - like a ball.  So the frequency is not ncessarily what you think.

So, the outer wrap toroidal coil would be the pulse coil, inner segments would be the rotation coils and the collectors are collectors...




Well on the way! Have been getting the parts together for a while. Expect it'll take another couple of weeks before I have any results to post.

Having realised what the feedback mechanism is. I can now see that the only way of stopping the runaway event is to either stop all radiant energy production or break the circuit of the main collector and helmholz coils.

My instinct was to have a mechanical relay with dual contacts that had to be energised for the main helmholz and collector circuit to be complete. On overvoltage I'd deactivate the relay.

Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 22, 2007, 08:14:33 AM
A special thank you to Jason for offering an authentification of the here to fore mentioned site before I posted it. 

Today I recieved some "informative" emails.  More than 1.

Please learn what GK is saying about the magnetic fields.

Please learn about the controller:

http://www.du.edu/~etuttle/electron/elecindx.htm

Please remember to AMPLIFY the RF signal using the controller ideas from link above before inputing.

Please remember to ALWAYS have the resonant frequency and intermodulation on either side of the harmonic.  NEVER EVER just have Harmonic in the three.  You will be no more.  You will go boom.  Can you say, "Imploding TV".  Check SM's posts about the "Center" frequency.  Check out GK's coil to see why.  I hope everyone listens, this is the last clue I will share. 

Unless I hear the words, "You've got mail!"  LOL

Once we have it working, then what?  Hmmm... that will be for another thread.

Thank you as always for reading this poor farmers post,   ;)
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: turbo on May 22, 2007, 07:46:16 PM
okay so today i figured out at which the sound of the coils remember me.....

the first coil in the UEC demo video remembers me to the sound made by the control circuit of the first picture below.....
it does that when you hold the head so it cannot rotate and you squeeze the trigger.

the second most little coil startup sound reminds me of the sound made by the control circuit of the second picture below...
this sound is made by those when they drive by/start to move.

the third picture shows their controller "logo"

Turbo.

Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: starcruiser on May 22, 2007, 09:15:24 PM
:)
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Sauron on May 22, 2007, 10:47:14 PM
Bruce, your theory still stands..
the tpu utilizes all 4 forms of vacuum tube type emissions.

1. the cold cathode emission, extremely high voltages.
no need for a vacuum to prevent the filament from burning up ,high voltages used is a given fact.

2. the secondary emission,  the bombardment of the substance with fast moving electrons.
thousants of kick's ,electrons at lightspeed, given fact.

3. the thermionic emission, the application of heat.
actually forms a problem, it get's too hot, given fact.

4. the photo electric emission, the application of light, Light is electromagnetic radiation.
this is the most tricky one, also goes by the name of Photoelectric effect...or as some call it radiant energy.
Tesla's Radiand energy again...Tao's post and Stevens confirmation,given fact.

now there is one diffrence between Tesla's work and Steven's tpu.
it is called FEEDBACK or another nice word, recycling.

Tesla did not need to recycle energy because he was feeding the system of a big hydro dynamo,
Steven feeds the collected energy back to his source into the system causing a self destructing runaway effect....... which begins to feed itself.

he even says:
 I originally got the idea from electron circuits which use vacuum rectifiers like the 5U4 GB or 5AR4 etc. 

like i said, Bruce
Your Theory still stands.....

Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 23, 2007, 12:09:42 AM
Quite correct about the heat Sauron.

I recieved another email today from a different source.  It is a post that was found.  I have removed last names for obvious reasons. 

I was wrong thinking that it was sound frequency.  With more experience and knowlege I would have caught that sooner.  But I did pretty good.   ;)  RF signals are what is needed.  We need a RF signal generator or follow the instuctions to "tune" in at the aformentioned place.

Also, GK is absolutely correct.  I have seen the future (TPU fastforwarded 10 years).  Rotating magnetic fields is the answer.  It is the electrons gaining mass for an unknown reason as they accelerate.

I can't warn enough about EMP.  Remember the UFT- gaining mass in an increasing electrical field produces this EMP.

GK will need to work out the wiring scheme.  I still think the control wires that wrap around the individual collectors play a part in the output somehow, but that kind of detail is minor and will be figured out.

Here is the post given to me in confidence today:

Yes Vili, the dominant energy anomoly of the toroid can be used for
other loads besides a cell stack. However, for such a use, I do not
recommending using a PWM3E or PWM3F, as they have no feedback
capabilities onboard. They cannot cut back the drive when an energy
avalanche is about to occur.

An energy avalanche is when the load cannot handle enough of the
power produced, so the excess power feeds back into the coil,
increasing the output further, and results in a potential runaway
condition. The culmination of a runaway event is either something
burning out, or a lightning strike event. This can result in current
discharges of hundreds of thousands of amps.

An energy avalanche will cause damage to loads, as well as increase
the risk of local lightning discharges. With the water of a cell
stack as a load, this does not occur. The water can soak up all of
the available energy and disassociate, so it does not burn out.

If you plan to experiment along these lines, I suggest you take steps
to protect the building you will be experimenting in, so that it can
handle lightning strikes and route them to ground. I use a metal
building with a ground rod at each corner, in addition to the normal
electrical ground.

I had used the forerunner to this 3 phase toroid technology to run
the motor on an electric golf cart, but the resulting uncontrolled
energy avalanche did burn out (melted) the tapped resistive iron
coils of the speed control. The golf cart motor was just unable to
use all of the energy generated fast enough to prevent the avalanche.

Bob


BE CAREFUL guys!! REMEMBER, Harmonic is alway started second after the resonant.  NEVER first or alone.  And thanks for your time,

Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 23, 2007, 07:41:02 AM
So, that post above has led me to consider that this "torroid energy avalanche" is something that those working on the tech have been wrestling with for some time. 

I then googled "energy avalanche" in GROUPS and found much info, you will have to google and look around.  One particular group is talking about the tpu and controller problems.  Need you electronic guys to read all of this.

NEXT google "torroid energy avalanche" in GROUPS:
I have one such group of scientist talking.  The public would never know what they are talking about, but you sure will!

The puzzle unravels.   ;)

Thank you for your time,
Bruce

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.design/browse_thread/thread/10af54483b3d85c7/321eef9f6836cb84?lnk=st&q=toroid+energy+avalanche&rnum=1#321eef9f6836cb84
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 23, 2007, 07:50:58 AM
You'll will love this one!! It is under "hacking a computer"

Tons of great info on the controller!!  These guys think they are so smart..HA!

I got them by the tail now!  LOL

One even comments how it will be used for "lighting..how boring!" 

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.design/browse_thread/thread/d6badd39081817ca/8756893d7091e4a1?lnk=st&q=toroid+energy+avalanche&rnum=9#8756893d7091e4a1
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: turbo on May 23, 2007, 07:51:04 AM
hi, i came by that PWM3 controller about a year ago..
over here,

http://oupower.com/index.php?dir=_Other_Peoples_Projects/Bob%20Boyce/Hydroxy%20Gas%20Projects/Control%20Electronics/PWM3%20Archive/PWM3B (http://oupower.com/index.php?dir=_Other_Peoples_Projects/Bob%20Boyce/Hydroxy%20Gas%20Projects/Control%20Electronics/PWM3%20Archive/PWM3B)

Turbo.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: otto on May 23, 2007, 08:23:10 AM
Hello all,

@Turbo

1. I like your 2 pictures. And the sound.....

2. of course its from oupower.com, Bob Boyce. He is well known.

Otto

Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: dutchy1966 on May 23, 2007, 12:31:58 PM
Bruce hi,

I've been following your research with great interest. I don't know about others here but at times it gets a bit confusing as what are the newest insights and operating theories.

If you don't mind, could you please summarize the way you see the operating principle at the moment. Then everyone can start discussing this from the same base.....

I do still have some questions, but I first like to see a concise post addressing your current view of the tpu.

I realize it is giving you more work (apart from all the good work you're doing already), but I think it will benefit the group...

Regards,

Robert
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 23, 2007, 02:08:34 PM
@ Robert
No work at all

My thoughts:
1.  Take Sauron's well written explanation from a few post's ago.
2.  Next take Roberto's AC Whistler wave from Ronottes thread
3.  Mix it with amplified RF signal in GK's Coil to form a particle accelerator
4.  Rotating magnetic fields produce RE which is then collected and output as dc
5.  Then go to the links I have given to learn how to build a proper controller
6.  Then read the links above and see the problems that scientist's have had with said controller, and how to fix it.
7.  Figure out what to do with a working TPU
8.  Not get struck by lightning, imploded, or EMP'd while doing all of the above!   ;D

That about sums it up!  LOL
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 24, 2007, 05:29:33 AM
Ahhh...
         TPU, the gift that keeps Giving!  LOL  A special thank you to my researchers for their hard work and sources.  Can you say, "Youv'e got Mail!!"   ;)

I know that many of you are still pouring over all of the material I and my team have provided...Well, I have more...Much, Much More.  Remember, PRINT, read, learn.

Also, I interject a few comments in ( ).  I will make note with this:  (*)  Enjoy!!

First:

"He wanted US$25 million up front for the secret. We are aware of the
concept and have been designing our own version [snip]. He is VERY
paranoid about publicity; [snip

The outer toroidal coil overheats and has no magic factors inside it
other than a length of the coil which is cut until resonance is
established. In the core of this outer toroidal coil is the instrument
package.(*RF signal,resonant,harmonic, intermodulation) A magnet is used and a resonance is established using the
mechanical (Lorentz) forces developed in the coil. The system pulses with a DC component.

Tuning is a function of the coil mass and cross-sectional aspect ratio.
It appears an elliptical cross-section is required in the coil. The
converter package in the center of the toridal coil appears to be a
circuit to convert the pulsed DC component to AC."  (*Hmm...sound familiar! ;) )

AND

"You wrote;
> > I read the info about steven's device. I remember talking to someone
> > via e-mail in 1996 about my design and he stated that he was using
> > bailing wire for the core material (*Hmm...was it Galvanize Steel, or Aluminum?)  to run through a coil that was
> > already wound as he had no wire to wind onto a toroidal core so he
> > used the bailing wire inserting into an existing coil."
>> Interesting, some say iron wire is the key to a working free energy
>> device

AND (*ALL of the below is them, unedited!! Enjoy!)

INE email sent: 5:27 PM, 12/30/96:
THE STEVENS DEVICE: ENERGY FROM COILS OF WIRE AND A MAGNET

"Here is what we know so far.

Below is:

1. Our email to request more information from our contacts;

2. An edited email response from one investigator; and

3. A telephone response from another investigator.

INE email sent: 5:27 PM, 12/30/96:

To: Energy_Sent_List
From: (*).com (Patrick *)
Subject: Wanted:  Info on the New Earth Resonance Device
Cc:
Bcc: Energy_Send_List
X-Attachments:

I want to find out who the primary contact is on this new "over-unity" device:

I recently saw a video about it.

The device is composed of circular coils of wire, on one planar frame, with
one coil inside the other, like two concentric rings, and with the addition a
one or more permanent magnets that are inserted into the center (or so?) of
the inner coil ring.

The device has no internal power source (like batteries, etc.).

It is supposedly tuned to the 7.23 Hz Earth's EM field.

It is shown in 3 sizes:  about 10 inches in diameter, larger, and the largest
one was about 18-24 inches in diameter.

They are placed flat (parallel to the ground) in the air (on a glass table).

When the permanent magnet(s) is/are inserted, the secondary coil registers an
output of about 80-100 Volts, on a regular VTVM as seen on the tape.

The tape calls this Voltage DC, and also says that it is around 5,000 Hz,
which of course does not make sense.

The interesting thing is that when the output is connected to a regular lamp
light bulb, it lights up just fine - so the promoters say see!  It lights a
100 Watt bulb, so the Amperage must be 1 Amp...-->  wrong...

Anyway, keeping in mind the come-ons...

On the tape:

The smaller unit lights up one 100 Watt light bulb,

and the largest unit lights up ten 100 Watt light bulbs connected in series.

And - when the device is operating, they say it has a resistance to any
lateral or rotational motion, like a gyroscope has that same resistance to a
rotational (only) motion -

so - dum de dum dum - there are forces akin to UFO researcher's dreams
evidently at work...

Also, when the magnet(s) is/are removed, the device does not function as well,
and also, when the magnets are in and the device is turned up-side-down, it
also does not function as well.

Obviously, this device has attracted a lot of attention, and it's applications
are far-reaching and numerous, battery-powered cars and lap-tops to name just
a few...

I have also heard that the inventor has an established lawyer, that they are
very stand-off-ish, and that they want A LOT of money up-front (like a
ridiculous amount) for this device.

So:  Two Questions:

1.  Who is the primary contact for this device?

    and

2.  Who do we know that can also obtain this same knowledge from
    other persons, channeled information, or Divine Sources?

Please let me know if you have any solid information on this device or its
operational physics.

All I have is two phone numbers that lead to a dead end.

No questions.  This is all I know for now.

Thanks!

Email received later
and arrangements have just been made to share it:

Patrick,

[snip]  He wanted US$25 million up front for the secret.
We are aware of the concept and have been designing our own
version [snip]. He is VERY paranoid about publicity; [snip].

The outer toroidal coil overheats and has no magic factors inside it other
than a length of the coil which is cut until resonance is established. In
the core of this outer toroidal coil is the instrument package. A magnet
is used and a resonance is established using the mechanical (Lorentz) forces
developed in the coil. The system pulses with a DC component.

Tuning is a function of the coil mass and cross-sectional aspect ratio. It
appears an elliptical cross-section is required in the coil. The converter
package in the center of the toridal coil appears to be a circuit to
convert the pulsed DC component to AC.

This whole device is a low-voltage, low frequency, high-current form of the
high-voltage, high frequency, low current Moray device. Each system has its
good and bad points....

We are working very hard to develop a working model ASAP. We have enough
funding and adequate lab facilities [snip]. When and if we have a
good working prototype and adequate stocks for immediate market penetration
we will let you know. We have a plan which is diametrically opposed to what
might be expected [snip]

Be patient and use the clues we have shared with you....

Your friends ...[snip]

Telephone Call details received sometime this year:

From memory:

For lack of any name, it is being called the "Stevens" device.

The name has no connection with anyone or anything, and is just a label.

The videotape (described above) has been around for about 1 & 1/2 to 2 years, not the 1 & 1/2 months that the INE was led to believe.

The device is being promoted by a group who wants a LOT of money for it, and wishes to maintain unknown for obvious reasons.

The device works, and no trickery has been found thus far.

Bailing wire was used in the smaller device.

The placement of the magnets are important and strategic.

The effect seen on the video is powerful; however, lighting a 100 Watt light bulb does not necessarily mean that the device is generating 100 Watts of electrical power.

The device overheats with time. This is an engineering problem that should be easy to solve by a good engineer with assistance from the inventor.

Arrangements are being made to test and develop better prototypes.

The INE will be contacted when new and better videos are available.

That's all we have for you for now."


(* Just me... How I do enjoy this so!  Bunch of greedy vultures!  $25 Million is NOTHING!  SM was selling way to low if you ask me!  Well, guys lots of stuff here to pick through.  The one fellow was at the live demonstration, so that helps alot!"

As always, thank you for your time,  (PS...we in this forum will have a WORKING Tpu before the summer is out... That is MY prediction and my teams! LOL) 

P>S> One more thing, OTTO, Pese and others with coils.  I think if you test them in a solution of water and KOH with anode and cathode, like electrolysis, with an ampmeter in line, you will not have to worry about hooking up bulbs, etc.  The KOH like when hooking up a battery to it with no PWM will draw the current.  1.  This way you will be reading amps and volts, not bulb brightness.  2. If you do have an Avalanche effect, the water will simply turn to HHO and not harm you until you hit the kill switch.  It is a way of "Shorting" the coil and letting it give all that it can give.  Let me know what you think of this idea. 

Bruce ;)

Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: bob.rennips on May 24, 2007, 06:48:10 AM

.... One more thing, OTTO, Pese and others with coils.  I think if you test them in a solution of water and KOH with anode and cathode, like electrolysis, with an ampmeter in line, you will not have to worry about hooking up bulbs, etc.  The KOH like when hooking up a battery to it with no PWM will draw the current.  1.  This way you will be reading amps and volts, not bulb brightness.  2. If you do have an Avalanche effect, the water will simply turn to HHO and not harm you until you hit the kill switch.  It is a way of "Shorting" the coil and letting it give all that it can give.  Let me know what you think of this idea. 

Bruce ;)

The idea that Bruce presents is actually the long term work of Bob Boyce who can be found on oupower.com...
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: turbo on May 24, 2007, 07:09:35 AM
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Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: turbo on May 24, 2007, 07:25:18 AM

I know that many of you are still pouring over all of the material I and my team have provided...Well, I have more...Much, Much More.  Remember, PRINT, read, learn.

Bruce ;)


why don't you post some more, i haven't seen anything 'new' yet.
the stuff youre posting has been on the internet for years...
Turbo.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: chrisC on May 24, 2007, 07:31:31 AM
Hi Bruce:

Whilst I admire your exuberance in trying to solve the mysteries of the TPU, I have almost stopped reading this thread! You theories seem to jump all over the place and now you recommend they put their TPU coils & set up in a LIQUID? Are you NUTS?

Sorry, don't mean to be offensive in any way but this is as much as I can follow!

Wishing your team the best in your endeavors. Personally, I would love only postings that can be explained and verified and not a bunch of mumbo jumbo 'lets try this, let's try that' stuff.

Regards

Chris

Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 24, 2007, 07:40:07 AM
Ahhh...Thanks Turbo, I will!

@ Chris...NOT putting the TPU in liquid...LOL    Just the output leads!  Hang in there, it gets worse! :)  The whole purpose is to extract the current from the TPU.  Pese, Otto, GK and others understand EXACTLY what I am talking about..and that message was for them.   ;)

Like I just said...the gift that keeps giving!! LOL  AGAIN I did a google groups search based on key words out of those emails and we have little TPU guys (in catagories that are LIES) talking up a storm.   ;D 

Please go here: PRINT<READ>LEARN  AND don't forget the back messages, get ALL of them!

A link too scary to put on here.. :-\  And another...Oh my..the MEG utilizes Longitudel waves..RF  TOM BEARDEN FANS read here (off subject)
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.activism.progressive/browse_thread/thread/7ee539f7f490f3e1/ce576d7fa6492700?lnk=st&q=mechanical+(Lorentz)+forces+developed+in+the+coil+%22l%22&rnum=22#ce576d7fa6492700

I won't post scary sites.  I found much more than I was looking for.  RF experiments can lead to Free energy/Time distortion/Motion/Terrible weapons, etc.  Let us concentrate on the TPU and HHO for the benefit of people.  I am glad tonight to be a believer in the Lord Jesus, is all that I can say about that... :-\

TPU links VERY IMPORTANT!
AND
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.electromag/browse_thread/thread/76ab5b857cf7d173/2f4ffde70ca25a25?lnk=st&q=&rnum=3#2f4ffde70ca25a25
AND
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.engineering.electrical/browse_thread/thread/7bcb7ae2e40bc0a5/9752635c873518da?lnk=st&q=&rnum=1#9752635c873518da
AND
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.engineering.electrical/browse_thread/thread/a678dfd9bc77a6c3/7c85940e284d43d6?lnk=st&q=&rnum=2#7c85940e284d43d6
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Grumpy on May 24, 2007, 04:11:01 PM
So, Bruce, in summary, you haven't found anything new, or any information that has not already been presented before - long before you ever started trying to understand the TPU.

When you don't have a working device, you can spout all the theories you want - each as valid as the others.

Why don't you experiment along the lines of the "Lorentz forces" that are mentioned in your previous post.  Wrap a ring up and give it a squeeze...it has been presented before that the heat generated in the TPU is the result of "mechanical" forces - not unlike the bending of a wire back and forth - or should I say "squeezing" the wire?  By the way, waving a coil back and forth in the air will produce electricity from the interaction of the coil and the Earth's magnetic field - this is a favorite experiment in grade school science classes.  Now, fillet your ghord open a little farther and consider the fact that the Earth also possesses a Torsion field (it's a scalar field) and realize that tapping into that field is the real source of immense power that will blow you straight to Hell in a nanosecond.  If Atlantis existed, this field is what sank it.

The message you quoted, which has been on the net for about 10 years or so, stated that the coil is trimmed until resonance is achieved - resonance with what?

Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: gn0stik on May 24, 2007, 04:32:35 PM
Wow, seems like everyone is where I was a while back.

Nothing new under the sun.

It has been amusing to watch Bruce go through all the same revelations, almost in exactly the same order that we did, almost 2 years ago, though. The value in it, as I see it, is that some of that stuff was important, and we didn't do much experimentation back then, so when this new stuff comes up, one might get the occasional "oh yeah!" moment, and decide to run an experiment on something.

However, this hasn't happened yet.

Keep plugging along Bruce.

Brother in Christ,
Rich
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Grumpy on May 24, 2007, 05:20:01 PM
Actually, I just sketched up a "revelation" and will be winding this one up tonight.  I normally toss them on the desk for weeks, but I am strangely motivated towards this one.  Based on Dave Lowrance's post about the TPU:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1761.msg26849.html#msg26849

Not exactly what he proposed, but a variation.  Pulses must be precisely triggered or effect wouldn't appear - like when the timing is off on a motor -  and at a particular freq - bam! straight to Hell, but I'll stop short of that.  I can vary the pulse width and frequency (waveform sythesizer), might take some time to tune in though.  Should see a blip of a kick with one pulse, but turning this into power takes precision and I gots precision.

Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 24, 2007, 09:55:03 PM
Hmm...something slightly familiar about this....   ;)

"It is best to NOT use an induction generator to drive motors. The added inductance of the motor will cancel out the capacitive reactance of the capacitors and cause the generator to quit producing electricity.

The generator will not start under a load. Not a problem! You shouldn't attach any load to a generator until it is at running speed. This is actually kind of a fail-safe feature."
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 25, 2007, 02:27:45 PM
This is off subject but not very still dealing with OU, and has come sourced to me.  You will enjoy it very much!

First a BIG congratulations to Stefan who invented a Catagory 3a overunity device in 2001!!  (He may not even know it! LOL  But someone else does!) 

Stefan, any comments would be enlightning!  LOL  :)

Thank you for your time,
Bruce

Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 26, 2007, 07:40:44 AM
Just a reminder for those working with the RF inputs:

In the case some did not read ALL the "tutorial provided" some time ago, here is a relevant piece and a suggestion to reread chapter 17, at the provided link.

 ;) = my comments
"For the carrier, I used an RF signal generator supplying a carrier of about 500 kHz. It could give only 0.72 V peak to peak against the 51Ω resistors, but this was enough. Of course, a function generator would work as well if you have no signal generator. If you have only one function generator, use an oscillator package to get a carrier frequency. The signal was supplied by the function generator, at 10 kHz. Both frequencies could easily be varied, but these values were conveninent. Watch the output on the scope, as well as the signal input, while you increase the signal amplitude slowly. 0.2 V peak to peak at the input was satisfactory. (the 600Ω output impedance has to overcome the 51Ω at the inputs. This low resistance does help protect the inputs, but if it is too restrictive, try 100Ω or so instead).

The scope display of the output is pretty, but it is even prettier when you understand what is going on. If the carrier is cos(ω1t) and the signal is A cos(ω2t) - B, then the output is A cos(ω1t)cos(ω2t) - B cos(ω1t) = (A/2)cos[(ω1 + ω2)t] + B cos(ω1t) + (A/2)cos[(ω1 - ω2)t]. We can vary A and B by adjusting the amplitude and DC offset of the function generator. The result, in general, is the sum of three waves, one at the carrier frequency( ;)*this is the harmonic, center collector), and two sidebands at the sum ( ;)*this is the intermodulation) and difference frequencies ( ;)*This is your primary frequency). Information can be carried in the difference of the sideband frequencies. The carrier does not carry any information in itself. See what happens as you vary B (the DC bias in the signal). An AM signal is often represented by E(1 + m sin ωm)sin ωc, where subscripts m and c refer to modulation and carrier, and m is the degree of modulation."

http://www.du.edu/~etuttle/electron/elect17.htm

Thanks as always for your time and efforts,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 26, 2007, 05:44:46 PM
Okay.....

I found another clue of something VERY IMPORTANT from an SM post, that I missed.  I also think that it fits in with what Jason has been saying.

SM's Words:
"I am using 6BQ7-A tubes for input (*amplification of radio waves) and phase inverter ..."

Now what is this phase inverter for the TPU, I asked myself.  And this is what I found:

"a circuit that generates two output signals, each 180 degrees out of phase with the other. This is a bit of a misnomer, since it does more than just invert the phase of a signal, it actually generates two out of phase signals."

Hmmm...I thought to myself, two out of phase signals, sounds like out of phase transformer statements SM said and this is HOW to bring that missing ingredient to the TPU.  This is a MISSING ingredient. 

Our "tutorial" has more to say on this matter in chapter 33.  It has two small circuits too choose from to accomplish this and one specific one used for tubes.  Here is the link to save you time. 

http://www.du.edu/~etuttle/electron/elect33.htm

Thank you and I hope this makes the difference.
Bruce

Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Super God on May 27, 2007, 05:33:51 AM
Two out of phase currents or two sets of two out of phase currents?
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 27, 2007, 06:59:02 AM
@super

Sorry, unknown.  I was asking that very same question.  ALSO it may be the Radio Waves out of phase.  ONLY experimentation will solve that one, but there are not too many options.  Each one, or all will need to be explored.  Is it there...YES.  Is it the current or the wave AFTER amplification, unknown.  The latter choice would be my first guess, but it could be both or the first.  Jason might have insight on this in a bit.  We will wait and see.

Thank you for your time,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 29, 2007, 06:11:47 PM
After spending several more days of study of the SM posts "in context" and "complete", I can say "WOW".  The seemingly contradicting statements (in my mind) that I had even mentioned to Pese, because they were confusing are now ALL cleared up. 

You see, much of the "new for me" material confirmed MUCH of what I have been saying and thinking.  except for the whole Radio Wave thing which is incorrect.  The "spooky" threads I mentioned that I found but will not post now make even more sense.  I have been saying that what we have here is a mini particle acclerator.  Now we know both HOW they are accelerated, and WHAT happens as they accelerate.  EVERYTHING else is a matter of experimentation.  Below are my notes to guide my team and I.  You are welcome to them.  God's speed!

SM's words:
Starting the first "kick" comes from the magnets and the kick is a
result of the initial inertia of the free electrons is in the cable."

"Did you know that electron transit times in some tubes approach
the speed of light?
They are mini particle accelerators."
THIS is why it will be easier to see the cascade or avalanche effect
with tubes."

"Speed is energy if you can convert the mass into energy quickly
enough!
Anything no matter how small can store enough energy to convert
into huge amounts of energy.
Even electrons.....................................
Now, electrons can travel only so fast along the surface of the wire
because of magnetic flux.
What if you disable the effects of the flux?
My unit operates on these principles.
Now the electrons float freely without anything holding them back.
Electrons at the sped of light are now a possibility!
How much energy can be converted from a stream of electrons traveling
close to the speed of light? ... Think about all those frequencies
traveling inside the collector coil and how they interact.."



These are the electrons dislodged by the overpressure and speed of the
sound waves at 180 deg. phase within each collector, thereby called "free"
electrons.

"When the control grid is driven positive, the primary electrons which bombard
it may dislodge secondary electrons. This effect, called secondary emission,
may also cause a loss of grid bias, and must be minimized by proper choice of
grid materials and by suitable processing methods".

I speculate that this process above, seen by SM in the electron tube circuit using
a dc rectifying triode, caused him to begin to wonder about electron cascade otherwise
known as "electron Avalanche" and a way to use that effect for the production of
electricity.

"The Crookes tube consists of a pear-shaped glass bulb that is partially evacuated
and fitted with a cathode at the small end and an anode at the large end. When a
direct-current potential of about 20,000 volts is connected across the electrodes,
positive ions, accelerated by the electric field, bombard the cathode and dislodge
electrons from the metal. Most of these are attracted to the anode, but some overshoot
the mark. The latter electrons continue to the end of the tube, where they collide
with the glass target."

SR (Special Relativity) This is the cannon ball analogy also confirmed by Einstein. 
This is also the total discussion amongst the scientist in the "spooky" threads that
I did not post. 
Any time you have mass accelerating to the speed of light (which was supposedly not possible,
like a diamond needle playing a vinyl record!)There seems to be a time distortion.  There were
instances where this was noticed in old radios that used vacuum tubes, but I will not
go into the story I read at the "spooky" thread.

When/as the electrons speed up to the speed of light, for an unknown reason, they gain density.
As they gain density within an "increasing" electric field you have EMP.  As stated prior
this is because of the Unified field theory.

This is what is taking place in the collectors:
"Air with an electric field is like a concrete slope with occasional
bowling balls,
each sitting in its own dimple.
If they are too close together or the slope is too shallow,
a ball that escapes its dimple will not have enough downhill run,
and the next ball it bumps will not be dislodged from its dimple.
It requires a chain-reaction, an avalanche,
to be like the abruptly huge conductivity of a spark.
The hillside must be a river of rolling balls to be "conductive".

For a freed electron in air,
the mean-free-path must be long enough to gain about 20V of potential
for it to ionize the next air molecule it impacts.
(For a 2000v air gap, the electron must be able to "free-fall" about
1% of the gap distance before hitting more molecules.)
Otherwise it's just an unnoticeably small bit of static charge in the air,
which slowly works its way over to the positive solid surface and is gone."

"If electron carries sufficient energy to ionize the molecule, a 2nd free
electron can be produced and accelerated by the field (e- + M ?> M+
+ 2 e-), and then 3rd e-, 4th, ... etc. In ESP, each seed e- can produce
thousands of e- and M+
? The "electron avalanche" occurs at/near wire surface (high E) and is
accompanied by light and sound, a phenomenon known as corona
? Corona current: electrons are flying away from the wires, whereas M+
migrate toward the wires and get discharged at/near wire surface"

"An electron avalanche is a process in which a number of free electrons in a
medium (usually a gas) are subjected to strong acceleration by an electric field,
ionizing the mediums' atoms by collision (called impact ionization), thereby forming
"new" electrons to undergo the same process in successive cycles"

"Radio frequency emissions from a runaway electron avalanche model compared with
intense, transient signals from thunderstorms."


RF burns:
Short for radio frequency, any frequency within the electromagnetic spectrum
associated with radio wave propagation. When an RF current is supplied to an antenna,
an electromagnetic field is created that then is able to propagate through space.
Many wireless technologies are based on RF field propagation.

*The RF burn is created by the process of Electron Avalanche within the collectors. 
This process itself, causes the electrons to emit RF.  This is a seperate and
differant RF signal being input into the Electromagnets ie. control wires.

We want RF 7.13, or 7.23 or 7.3 Hz for our electromagnets.  We DO NOT want
to "Tune" our coil to the Schumann Resonance.  It will "blow up".  We have
to "tune" off of that just slightly and then you "tune" your tpu to a Harmonic
of that.   When SM talked about "resonance" at 35.7 KHz, this is Sound Frequency
tuned to the Fifth harmonic of the RF frequency he is using to produce his rotating
electromagnetic "vortex". 

Every part of the TPU is about "tuning".  The TPU itself is tuned (amount of wire adjusted)
to a harmonic of the electromagnetic cyclonic "vortex" field about the torroid.
The Electromagnet is "tuned" just off of the Schumann Resonance.  The upper and bottom
collectors are just "tuned" off of the harmonic Resonance.  It is like a radion in the sense of
every thing being "tuned", but just off of the 7.83 to avoid blowing up.

We want to create a rotating RF electromagnetic field by pulsing ALL of the control wires in a
sequential manner.  What "Speed" this needs to be done is unknown.  Clockwise or counterclockwise
is unknown.  The control wires around ALL the collectors are in THREE segments.  These are at the
3, 6, and 9 position.  Also the control wires wrapped perpindicular around a SMALL portion of the
collector are also at 3, 6 and 9.  There would then also be three of these, one on each of the
collectors to further assist with control.  To understand why SM call them control wires, you have
to also go back in time to the 1960's and 70's to the time of "magnetic amplifiers."

We next want to input FIRST AMPLIFIED sound waves (AMPLIFIED=Velocity & Pressure)of this "resonant
Frequency" of 35.705 KHz that we have "tuned" our coil to.  This amplified wave from a tube circuit
must next be inverted 180 degree phase.  (two actual IDENTICAL signals).  This SAME process is
repeated for the Harmonic of 71.41 KHz, again phase inverted, and lastly the third collector which
is the intermodulation, also phase inverted. 

If you look at the wave of a phase inverted signal, and think about an electron being "kicked" along
at every passing wave you will see twice the bang from the signal at 180 deg. phase.  And this process
in all three collectors.

This is the way I will build my Genesis1 Coil and this is the method of experimenting I will be doing
ASAP.  Our Tube circuit is being reconfigured and also "TUNED" to the proper frequencies.  What we will
next be doing is working out a "variably" controlled seqential pulse for the ac electromagnets.  We
will also make this where we can experiment with it both ways.

The two rotaional fields would be as follows:  The electromagnetic Vortex in one direction, and the
sound waves/pressure waves in the OPPOSING direction.  A small pulse applied "probably" in the collectors,
OPPOSING the waves, meaning the electrons hit the wave at twice the speed.  Think of one airplane hitting
headlong into another.  As that first electron gets dislodged, it hits others and thus cascade.  A small
magnetic field still may be required to be applied to the output.

Thank you for your time, as always.  I will not be posting as often until pictures, and experiments are
flowing in. 

Bruce




Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: starcruiser on May 29, 2007, 08:30:16 PM
I do not think it is the frequency necessarily but the pulse duration coupled with  the differential voltage of the pulses.

You want to pump up the magnetic field (cannon balls). The magnet in SM's video is the initial field and the control coils provide the pumping action. The differential voltage of the pulses will give you the usable power in the output coil.

The control circuit is the key here. read the patents that Karmes posted in GK's thread for some insight.

Happy building!
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 31, 2007, 04:05:11 AM
Hmm... an interesting fact I bumped into today.

Speed of Sound:

Sound travels fastest through solids. This is because molecules in a solid medium are much closer together than those in a liquid or gas, allowing sound waves to travel more quickly through it. In fact, sound waves travel over 17 times faster through steel than through air. The exact speed of sound in steel is 5,960 meters per second (13,332 mph)!

Perhaps this is why SM used galvanized steel for his collectors with his first TPU.

Copper wire is what we use, it is rated at 5010 m/s.  Still not bad!!

The Speed of sound in air travels at a measly 340.29 m/s.

Can anyone say, "Transonic Pressure Tunnel".   :)

P.S.  This is BEFORE amplification though our tube circuit.  Remember, Amplification=speed+pressure

Thank you for your time,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Motorcoach1 on May 31, 2007, 08:24:08 AM
you going to brun out them brain cells hahahah a  like your tought but expierimetation  usaly gets you there  , the the vualtures come in mmm,   
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 01, 2007, 04:24:26 AM
@Motorcoach
Brain cells are fine thanks!! LOL  I spent two years researching shrimp before "experimenting" with them.  I succeeded where everyone else failed because of it. 

I have a series of experiments already formulated, planned and will have details and Pics by Monday.  Everytime I went to build Genesis1, some new revelation, or clue came out.  But now my guys and I are ready.

@Everyone building a TPU

I found another major Clue and believe that I now understand how the TPU is "tuned to a frequency like a radio".

First, in the words of SM:
"I made an amp and had a really difficult time with a 35K resonance.
I had so much trouble with it that I finally left the resonance there.
I last measured it at 35.705K at a really high level.
It is a good thing that I can't hear that high.

But it does prove that my output transformer is capable of going up to 245K HZ.
Which I measured.
HEY, did you know that the frequency is proportional to the speaker's circumference? it appears that the frequency should change with the circumference of the speaker.
That makes sense to you does it?
No one I have talked to realizes that yet.
I use 15" speakers myself. They are 15" from the dead center of the outside flange to the other sides flange.


In the case of my power unit, you create several frequencies within a space of the collector coil's circumference.
The frequencies are directly related to the circumference of the collector coil."

Okay, this was a tough one, and I will not say the days spent researching this one.
The answer is "directivity" as it relates to audio radiation/propagation of the acoustical wave across the speaker cone.  If the "directivity" is not figured correctly you will end up will all sorts of distortion, etc, crossing your "PURE" frequency (audio).

Now, to confirm this finding which is at the link below, I called a professional sound engineer today, and told him that I was working on a "science project"  I read him the clues and he said that SM was talking about directivity.  I explained to him that that had been my finding as well and we spoke for about 30 minutes on the subject.  "Directivity" is as much an art as science when designing speakers.  There are formulas involved and those are at the link.  But remember that they are all for frequencies within the ability for the human ear to hear.  NO ONE but SM makes a "speaker" for accoustic waves that cannot be heard.  So we are dealing with Higher frequencies, and SM stated that it took them a very long time to find the correct ones.  But he told us what they were, or at least two different sized TPU's.

The point I wish to make here is that SM did the Math for us and made things VERY EASY once we understand (which is what SM has wanted all along.) 

The "directivity" using ultrasonic high frequency is ONE particular frequency for a particular circumference (of course circumference is determined by diameter) of TPU.

Example:
STEP 1.  When you build/wrap your 6" TPU, you want your FINISHED TPU to be EXACTLY 6" diameter from the outside to outside of your TPU.  This also fits the engineering report.  DO NOT deviate by even 1/2 inch.  It will "throw off" the directivity, and the waves will be distorted, and the magic will not happen.

STEP 2.  You want to determine the resonance of your TPU

STEP 3.  VERY IMPORTANT:  You want to trim you coil until it Resonates at 35.705K
(*Note here I am making an assumption that the 6" is this Resonance and the 15" is the 245 KHz. )

STEP 4.  SM said: "...you tune into the frequency.." 
AND
"My units behave as though they are variable tuning devices, and we are tuning them to a frequency just like a radio."

At this step we phase invert 180 degrees our AMPLIFIED acoustic wave, with a PURE SINE WAVE, NO square wave, set to 35.705 KHz frequency into our first collector, which is WRAPPED AROUND THE CIRCUMFERENCE of the TPU.

STEP 5.  The phase inverted Harmonic 35.705 times 2.

STEP 6.  The phase inverted intermodulation.

STEP 7.  Add a pulse and watch the magic happen.

So WE ARE TUNING the TPU to a PARTICULAR frequency in EVERY regard, directivity, Resonance, sound wave, harmonic, intermodulation.

There are the control (electromagnets) I know.  I did not include those in this discussion because I just want to discuss the tuning aspect of the TPU.

http://www.soundandcommunications.com/audio/2005_09_audio.htm
 Huygens? Principle

P.S.  Also our bandwidth to play with other diameter TPU's is 35.705 KHz to 245 KHz.  The "center frequency" that he warns (exact frequency of conversion=DANGER) is about is 93.529 KHz. Look up "center frequency" in wikipedia and read to your astonishment.

Sunday we build a magnetic vortex with electromagnets and compass.  If you have done this, PM me and give me some tips, that would be appreciated.  Also we wind Genesis1 TPU and TUNE it to Resonance of 35.705 KHz.

Thank you as always for your time,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: devilzangel on June 01, 2007, 11:30:59 AM
if i remember correctly, SM's mention of those frequencies was in reference to his audio system and his assembly of his "new" tube amplifier. I dont think he was referring to the TPU in anyway.

he was merely pointing out an example of resonance, at least one he cant seem to get rid of in that particular tube amp.

if he even mentioned a ballpark range of the frequencies UEC uses in the control units, UEC would be on him before he can say sorry.

devilzangel
..
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 01, 2007, 05:41:56 PM
@devilzangel
ALL of SM's mention of his "stereo" system is reference of the TPU and it's function!!

Example:  Speakers do not range 35K or 245K, not even "supertweeter", why?  Because they are out of the range of human hearing.  EVERY post is about the TPU.

Cheers,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: devilzangel on June 02, 2007, 02:47:30 AM
@devilzangel
ALL of SM's mention of his "stereo" system is reference of the TPU and it's function!!

Example:  Speakers do not range 35K or 245K, not even "supertweeter", why?  Because they are out of the range of human hearing.  EVERY post is about the TPU.

Cheers,
Bruce

i dont know if i would agree with that .. if u want to generalize, i could say why not use the term power unit .. he uses that to refer to the "TPU".

well sony and some other companies (notably sony) offer high end studio production headphones that reach 120khz ..

SM is merely pointing out that the tube is capable of producing those frequencies .. he talks about using TV tubes to get a better sound at higher frequencies.

i dont want to sound too harsh, but you may be reading too much into stuff that SM doesnt intend.

anyways it doesnt matter what we think he is saying .. just experiment it and see if u get anything from those pointed ranges. it is the only way to be certain.

try to see if Mannix will email SM to clarify that bit for us.

devilzangel
..
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 02, 2007, 06:43:33 AM
@ EVERYONE

Okay, the next tuning is that of the amplifier to the TPU.  Once your TPU is tuned according to the steps mentioned a few posts previous, you need to measure the impedance.  This then is the impedance that your choice of amplifier must also be.  IF THE amplifier impedance does not match that of the TPU there can be DISTORTION.  And we all know by now what that means.  NO CATALYST!  Now as you know, I will be using a tube circuit.  It was in the middle of being designed when Turbo released his wonderful compilation of additional material.  I put a halt to the circuit until I could analyze all of the new material.

Impedance
"A derived unit of resistance, capacitance and inductance in combination is called impedance, although it is not a requirement that all three be included. Impedance is also measured in Ohms, but is a very complex figure, and often fails completely to give you any useful information. The impedance of a speaker is a case in point. Although the brochure may state that a speaker has an impedance of 8 Ohms, in reality it will vary depending on frequency"

I am glad that "I am not in a hurry"! LOL  For now my Tube guy will match the impedance of the amp to my "tuned" tpu AND to the correct frequency of 35.705 KHz

For those who do not yet understand the collectors can restudy SM's clue of the engineering of the plane that broke the sound barrier, or reread my thread on the matter.

Tune, tune and tune, all to the frequency.

I also found out that the "signal" from the Amp to the speaker travels at the speed of light.  Some of you will understand the significance of that!  SPEED is energy!  ;)

Amplification Basics

The term "amplify" basically means to make stronger. The strength of a signal (in terms of voltage) is referred to as amplitude, but there is no equivalent for current (curritude?, nah, sounds silly). This in itself is confusing, because although "amplitude" refers to voltage, it contains the word "amp", as in ampere. Maybe we should introduce "voltitude" - No?  Just live with it.

To understand how any amplifier works, you need to understand the two major types of amplification, and a third "derived" type:

    * Voltage Amplifier - an amp that boosts the voltage of an input signal
    * Current Amplifier - an amp that boosts the current of a signal
    * Power Amplifier - the combination of the above two amplifiers

In the case of a voltage amplifier, a small input voltage will be increased, so that for example a 10mV (0.01V) input signal might be amplified so that the output is 1 Volt. This represents a "gain" of 100 - the output voltage is 100 times as great as the input voltage. This is called the voltage gain of the amplifier.

In the case of a current amplifier, an input current of 10mA (0.01A) might be amplified to give an output of 1A. Again, this is a gain of 100, and is the current gain of the amplifier.

If we now combine the two amplifiers, then calculate the input power and the output power, we will measure the power gain:

   P = V x I   (where I = current, note that the symbol changes in a formula)

The input and output power can now be calculated:
   Pin = 0.01 x 0.01   (0.01V and 0.01A, or 10mV and 10mA)
   Pin = 100uW   
   Pout = 1 x 1   (1V and 1A)
   Pout = 1W   

The power gain is therefore 10,000, which is the voltage gain multiplied by the current gain.

Remember, SM's words about "Feedback"?
"

"# 3. As you know, Large amounts of FEEDBACK is essential to frequency and control when using SS devices for everything in the electronics world, HOWEVER, it is the enemy of generators!"

Feedback
Feedback is a term that creates more and bloodier battles between audio enthusiasts than almost any other. Without it, we would not have the levels of performance we enjoy today, and many amplifier types would be unlistenable without it.

Feedback in its broadest sense means that a certain amount of the output signal is "fed back" into the input. An amplifier - or an element of an amplifying device - is presented with the input signal, and compares it to a "small scale replica" of the output signal. If there is any difference, the amp corrects this, and ideally ensures that the output is an exact replica of the input, but with a greater amplitude. Feedback may be as a voltage or current, and has a similar effect in either case.

In many designs, one part of the complete amplifier circuit (usually the input stage) acts as an error amplifier, and supplies exactly the right amount of signal to the rest of the amp to ensure that there is no difference between the input and output signals, other than amplitude. This is (of course) an ideal state, and is never achieved in practice. There will always be some difference, however slight.

Signal Inversion
When used as voltage amplifiers, all the standard active devices invert the signal. This means that if a positive signal goes in, it emerges as a larger - but now negative - signal.

The amplifying devices currently available are:

    * Vacuum Tube (Valve)
    * Bipolar Junction Transistor (BJT)
    * Field Effect Transistor (FET)

There are also some derivatives of the above, such as Insulated Gate Bipolar Transistors (IGBT), and Metal Oxide Semiconductor Field Effect Transistors (MOSFET). Of these, the MOSFET is a popular choice among many designers due to some desirable characteristics.

SM said:
"You would be surprised how difficult it can be to explained to a lay person
how impossible it is to convert a 9V battery into the juice needed to lighta single 100 watt 120 volt light bulb, let alone make toast with an electric
toaster!!!"
AND
"Some of the units in the demo videos did in fact have one or two
9V batteries to provide a separate controllable DC source for the
solid state control circuit."


"Discrete designs can also be built with readily available transistors or op-amps and many designs are featured in manufacturers' application notes. Older designs employed audio interstage and output transformers but the cost and size of these parts has made them all but disappear. (Actually, when the power source is a 9 volt battery, a push-pull output stage using a 500 ohm to 8 ohm transformer is more efficient than non-transformer designs when providing 100 milliwatts of audio.)"

Side Note:
The speed of sound in copper is 5010 meters per second = 11,222.40 miles per hours

Oh well, enough to think about for the night.  We do need much more discussion on our future amplification methods.  We are nearing that point I think and hope.

Sunday evening, We tune, tune and spin the compass.  I watched the baling wire tpu vid again today.  It appears as if that one had electromagnets at 12,6,3 and 9 o:clock.

Thank you for your time,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Sauron on June 02, 2007, 08:24:43 AM

The amplifying devices currently available are:

    * Vacuum Tube (Valve)
    * Bipolar Junction Transistor (BJT)
    * Field Effect Transistor (FET)

Bruce

Whoops.....

    * Vacuum Tube (Valve)
    * Bipolar Junction Transistor (BJT)
    * Field Effect Transistor (FET)
    * (slightly out of phase) MAGNETIC AMPLIFIERS.....
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: IronHead on June 02, 2007, 08:31:10 AM
You have hit on some very important things here btentzer
Well done
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 02, 2007, 04:51:02 PM
@ Ironhead
Thank you!  I hope that others understand as well

@ Sauron
You are so right...how could I have forgotton! :)  I mentioned the magnetic amplifiers some posts ago in a passing reference.  In the 1960's and 70's, the windings on them were called "CONTROL WIRES".  And yes, they amplify also.

Cheers,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 03, 2007, 12:14:40 AM
Hello all:

SM states in the "latest" pdf:
"The energy released from the speed of multiple projectiles increases the
energy available to be dissipated upon impact many fold!
The faster the speed of ANYTHING the more energy will be available for
conversion.

A long time ago, i said, if you take a bullet and throw it at the side of an
automobile itwill bounce off.  However, if you place the bullet into a gun and fire it at the automobile it, with sufficient velocity, go through the metal door and through the other side because of the inertia energy available for conversion.
Speed is energy if you can convert the mass into energy quickly
enough!

Anything no matter how small can store enough energy to convert
into huge amounts of energy.
Even electrons.....................................
Now, electrons can travel only so fast along the surface of the wire
because of magnetic flux.

What if you disable the effects of the flux?
My unit operates on these principles.
Now the electrons float freely without anything holding them back.
Electrons at the sped of light are now a possibility!
How much energy can be converted from a stream of electrons traveling
close to the speed of light?"



Could it be related to this that I found?

Discovery
"Despite functioning in a different way and having subtle differences, Cherenkov radiation can be easily explained with an analogy to sonic booms. When a hypersonic aircraft approach the sound barrier, wavefronts begin to "bunch up" in front of it as the sound waves are barely moving faster than the aeroplane itself. As a result, a high pressure area is formed in front of the 'plane and, when it is moving supersonically, because of the sudden pressure change, an intense shock wave is propagated away from the aircraft. The waves superpose and nothing is heard until the high-amplitude sound waves simultaneously reach the observer. When an aircraft is moving much faster than the speed of sound, it actually begins to overtake its emanated sound waves. This means that, instead of the constructive superposition occurring directly in front of the aircraft in an intense shock wave, a cone of high pressure is produced with shock waves at the edges, and the sound travels away from the 'plane in this conical shape.

A similar effect occurs when high-energy charged particles travel through insulating media with high refractive indices. As the particle traverses the medium, the local electromagnetic field is disrupted by the particle's electrostatic charge and the electrons in the atoms that make up the medium become polarised. As the particle's electromagnetic field passes, the atoms quickly go back to the ground state and the displaced electrons return to their original positions to retain equilibrium. This causes radiation to be emitted in the form of photons. Under usual conditions, these photons would destructively superimpose, but if the particle has sufficient velocity, the electron's energy loss after being disrupted is high enough for a coherent wavefront to be propagated. In a similar process to the sonic booms, when the particle is moving faster than the speed of light, cascades of coherent electrons are emitted and the observed radiation is intensified in a conical shape. Thus, for Cherenkov radiation to be readily observable, the charged particles must have a minimum threshold velocity which is greater than the speed of light.

But how can particles travel faster than light? Well, light does not always travel at 299,792,458 ms-1 - that is only in a vacuum. In a medium with refractive index n, the speed of light in that medium will be c/n and thus, in materials with common refractive indices, fast moving electrons can often reach the minimum supraluminal velocity required for the Cherenkov effect to take place with relatively low energies (even below 20MeV). Cherenkov radiation is continuous and the relative intensities of light frequencies are inversely proportional to their wavelength. Ergo, for lower wavelengths (the blue end of the electromagnetic spectrum), the radiation is observed to be more intense. This explains why Cherenkov radiation appears bright blue. The cone of light produced is centred on the particle's velocity vector - that is the Cherenkov radiation is propagated along the direction in which the particle is moving. Similarly to sonic booms, the angle of the radiation cone is inversely proportional to the particle's velocity. This is because, when the particle is travelling faster, the cone of light from photon emitting electrons will be "stretched" more in the plane of its direction due to a greater distance being covered in a given time. This light can be detected by very sensitive photomultipliers capable of detecting individual photons. By analysing the pattern of radiation, several properties of the particle can be learned including its mass, energy and direction."

As always, thank you for your time,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 03, 2007, 07:15:15 AM
Otto's Latest Clue, which probably is NOT even a clue, but good info on electrons here anyway, and something to think about!

The little man from the little country finally saw
> the garden of Eden. He
> was allowed to take the forbidden fruits. He took a
> few appels  As he looked
> at the appels he saw that they are changing! They
> changed slowly into
> another fruit! "Heeey, whats going on", thought the
> little man and in this
> moment it happened: a veeery bright light!! WOW!!
> The little man was amazed!

SM is giving us a hint about what is happening to the electrons within the TPU.  How does an electron change to produce light(very bright)?  This is the answer we must seek.  Electrons are to SM what apples would be to others! LOL   Cheesy


How Can a Diode Produce Light?
"Light is a form of energy that can be released by an atom. It is made up of many small particle-like packets that have energy and momentum but no mass. These particles, called photons, are the most basic units of light.

Photons are released as a result of moving electrons. In an atom, electrons move in orbitals around the nucleus. Electrons in different orbitals have different amounts of energy. Generally speaking, electrons with greater energy move in orbitals farther away from the nucleus.

For an electron to jump from a lower orbital to a higher orbital, something has to boost its energy level. Conversely, an electron releases energy when it drops from a higher orbital to a lower one. This energy is released in the form of a photon. A greater energy drop releases a higher-energy photon, which is characterized by a higher frequency. (Check out How Light Works for a full explanation.)

As we saw in the last section, free electrons moving across a diode can fall into empty holes from the P-type layer. This involves a drop from the conduction band to a lower orbital, so the electrons release energy in the form of photons. This happens in any diode, but you can only see the photons when the diode is composed of certain material. The atoms in a standard silicon diode, for example, are arranged in such a way that the electron drops a relatively short distance. As a result, the photon's frequency is so low that it is invisible to the human eye -- it is in the infrared portion of the light spectrum. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, of course:"

Light Basics
Light is a form of energy that can be released by an atom. It is made up of many small particle-like packets that have energy and momentum but no mass. These particles, called light photons, are the most basic units of light. (For more information, see How Light Works.)

Atoms release light photons when their electrons become excited. If you've read How Atoms Work, then you know that electrons are the negatively charged particles that move around an atom's nucleus (which has a net positive charge). An atom's electrons have different levels of energy, depending on several factors, including their speed and distance from the nucleus. Electrons of different energy levels occupy different orbitals. Generally speaking, electrons with greater energy move in orbitals farther away from the nucleus. When an atom gains or loses energy, the change is expressed by the movement of electrons. When something passes energy on to an atom, an electron may be temporarily boosted to a higher orbital (farther away from the nucleus). The electron only holds this position for a tiny fraction of a second; almost immediately, it is drawn back toward the nucleus, to its original orbital. As it returns to its original orbital, the electron releases the extra energy in the form of a photon, in some cases a light photon.

The wavelength of the emitted light (which determines its color) depends on how much energy is released, which depends on the particular position of the electron. Consequently, different sorts of atoms will release different sorts of light photons. In other words, the color of the light is determined by what kind of atom is excited.

This is the basic mechanism at work in nearly all light sources. The main difference between these sources is the process of exciting the atoms.

Bound electrons in the vibrating atoms may be boosted temporarily to a higher energy level. When they fall back to their normal levels, the electrons release the extra energy in the form of photons. Metal atoms release mostly infrared light photons, which are invisible to the human eye.

"One key to getting light out of the fluorescent tube is then to produce the high speed electrons which can "excite"..." 

(*Fast send off, signal sent at speed of light, Threshold as Jason described.  SPEED< SPEED<  P.s.  Don't forget to "tune" first! LOL  Tune, Amplify, Invert, Speed Thresold.

Collisions create light
"When a high-energy electron collides with an oxygen atom, a small amount of the electron's energy is transferred to the oxygen's electrons. The oxygen is in an "excited state" when it is energized in this way. The oxygen's electrons hold this extra energy briefly, then releases it as light. Large numbers of excited atoms produce light bright enough to be visible."

Luminescence
"Luminescence, as commonly accepted, is the incoherent emission of non-thermal visible light as a result of any sort of excitation, but principally that of radiation of shorter wavelength or the collision of energetic electrons.

The distinguishing principle of luminescence is that the radiation is non-thermal, its spectrum determined by transitions between the energy levels of the luminescent material excited in some determinate way, not by random thermal motion, which produces incandescence. Luminescent radiation may then be called "cold light," in distinction with the "hot light" of incandescence. The Sun is an incandescent source, the Aurora Borealis a luminescent one."

"luminescence produced when the field is first applied."  (in reference to copper wire)

Some more lesson in electrons.  We will excite the electrons to the point of luminescence or "cold light" within the collectors.  The same Idea we have been on, but not thinking of it as luminescence but more as radiation.  (Myself anyway)

Thanks as always for your time, hoping it has been "apple" fruitful! (missing freedom of speech on the part of SM, especially with a project of this magnitude and importance.)

Bruce



Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 05, 2007, 05:08:30 AM
Sunday evening, June 3, one of my associates and I worked on wrapping Genesis1.  Unfortunately, my camara decided to no longer function. I have signed up with sprint to use my picture phone.  As soon as that is active (by the morning)  I will upload the picture.  Nothing pretty about it, just a bunch of "short pieces" of wire around a foam core.  The secret is in tuning it, and the "controller".  I want the "Purest" frequency possible when we get to that point.

Time spent wrapping and weighing the coil 2 hrs.
Control wires wrapped around each collector:
6 turns 20 g stranded
1' in length, each.

Control wires wrapped around ALL three collectors in four (4) segments:
14 g stranded lamp chord - 39" in length each, 6 turns each

Three collectors - wrapped as a "speaker" coil (next to one another, not on top of one another)
16 g stranded lamp chord - 54" each collector segment

Total weight of the 7 control wires - 112 grams
Total weight of the 3 collector wires - 134 grams
Total weight of wire - 246 grams
Total weight of foam core & 1 9volt battery - 62 grams
Future controller - 32 grams

TOTAL WEIGHT - 340 grams / 12 ozs.  Perfect Match with engineering report
Total Diameter - 6" / Perfect Match with enginnering report.

Still need this week to "tune" coil to Resonant frequency of 35.705 KHz frequency.  If I have too little wire, I will make a new coil with more wire.  I will not experiment with anything but A TUNED TPU to the proper frequency.

After the coil is tuned, we will figure the impedance and give that info to our tube guy who is tuning our tube circuit.  He is designing it to the correct frequencies.  I WILL POST his schematic as soon as it is finished, for those interested.  Then my other associate and I will construct the tube circuit and post pictures here.  TUNE, TUNE, TUNE. 

We could use some help with a designed circuit for creating the synced AC electro magnetic vortex.  We have Four electromagnets at 12,3,6, and 9 o:clock.  If you post this here it will be a huge help to some of us experimenters.   A circuit, not just "parts" would be wonderful.  If no one but Otto has this, then how can we say that we have even begun to experiment?  I hope that I am wrong and someone will share this.

SIDE NOTE:  Any ideas HOW SM "Disables" the flux to allow the free electrons to "float"??  This is something to work on I think.  Hard research and then theory's needed.

Thank you for your time,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 05, 2007, 05:47:24 PM
Genesis1 - TPU
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 06, 2007, 02:19:04 AM
For those who have not been following closely, here are the pages from my thread that talk about  which frequencies to use and invert.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2300.150.html
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2300.140.html
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2300.130.html
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2300.20.html
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2300.10.html
the bottom of this next page:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2300.0.html

I know this will help.  I still feel we have only "just begun" with the full TPU.  There is much more to come! LOL   SM spent Years refining it, (And probably still is to this day) I hope that we will all be more attentive to SM's words for round two! 

Please run your frequencies through Kill switches before the coils.  And Enjoy tomorrow!

I read in a book once, a phrase that I have never forgotten!  An older man speaking to his peers said, "We must give our children the lightning!"

It will not change the heart of man, but it will help ease the suffering of many who have neither lightning nor running water.

Perhaps we are all here for such a time as this...    ;)
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 06, 2007, 04:48:52 AM
Well, I found the last confirmation of what I was looking for.

Sunday Night I asked a question about how the flux is "disabled" in the TPU.  I had researched it and thought I found the answer.  I wrote Jason to run it by him but he has been very busy with Otto's work I am sure, and that is his gift.

And putting pieces together is mine.  When Otto mentioned his mobius turn, I knew why.  WHY is there a mobius turn in Otto's TPU??  I am sure Otto knew why but he put it in there.  This was the exact confirmation of what I had found researching. 

All of the prior art I could dig up to disable the magnetic flux pointed to this answer. 
First SM's Words:
"Now, electrons can travel only so fast along the surface of the wire because of magnetic flux.
What if you disable the effects of the flux?
My unit operates on these principles.
Now the electrons float freely without anything holding them back.

Electrons at the sped of light are now a possibility!
How much energy can be converted from a stream of electrons traveling
close to the speed of light?

Of course I figured this out just as I finished my Genesis 1 coil.  Now I will have to build a Genesis2.  (I knew this was going to happen! LOL)

Here is the answer:

What is a Scaler Wave?

?Scalar waves are produced when two electromagnetic waves of the same frequency are exactly out of phase (opposite to each other) and the amplitudes subtract and cancel or destroy each other. The result is not exactly an annihilation of magnetic fields but a transformation of energy back into a scalar wave. This scalar field has reverted back to a vacuum state of potentiality. Scalar waves can be created by wrapping electrical wires around a figure eight in the shape of a m?bius coil. When an electric current flows through the wires in opposite directions, the opposing electromagnetic fields from the two wires cancel each other and create a scalar wave.?

     I had found that current flow through the wires in opposite directions, with opposing electromagnetic fields to cancel/disable the flux.  I had found this in a patent for an actuator, where there was a mini coil, differant than a figure eight, but accomplishing the same exact thing.

My next plans are as follow. 
1.  We will replicate Otto's ring to specs. 
2.  We will wrap a new coil in the manner that I saw in miniture in the patent.  It will give us three collectors wrapped the circumference of the core.  The length of the collector, finding the center, and then pinching this tight and wrapping around the core in a "bifilar" manner.   Doing this with all three collectors will give me the same effect as the mobius turn
3.  We will test all three coils with square wave pulsed frequencies, of Resonant, Harmonic and Intermodulation
4.  I will still tune my Non-Otto coils to the resonant frequency given by SM.

35.705 KHz  The frequency of the Polaris Lights
245 KHz  The frequency AC is joined to lightning
Frequencies of Power?  They are. 

I will continue to urge people to "tune" their own coils to one of SM's resonant frequency by removing wire until the coil resonates at the needed frequency.  Invert the signals (same signals out of phase) for each frequency.

Reread Page 14 of my thread and read what one of "SM's investors" says about the TPU.  About SM trimming the wire to get it to resonance (tuning it to one of the frequencies of power he gave to us)  And read what the investor says is "in the coil".

Thanks as always for your time, and as always I hope it is fruitful,
Bruce


Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Grumpy on June 06, 2007, 03:59:11 PM
Scalar waves, torsion waves, cancelled flux, eggs in China - all been brought up before.

Dave Lowrance creates these on a regular basis (magnetricity site) along with fields that require no power and can't be turned off easily - pretty slick ideas.

You could also look at "magnetic reconnection" since a magnetic field is a curl and very much wants to be in a loop.  What would happen if you broke this "loop" or this "loop never closed in the first place?  Well, then you have what Stephan Marinov spoke of - an uncurling of the vector potential.

More food for thought: Tesla's RE gizmo produced no measurable current - yet cranked out the Radiant Energy like a ramjet.  He blocked the current at the spark gap.  Delving into conventional electrodynamics, we find that a  scalar potential is a "torsion field" (i.e. time), which is one dimensional - and when this is unbalanced you have a gradiant - like a static charge, and when this gradiant diverges you get an electric field, and when this electric field flows from one location to another it creates a curled field around it and you get a magnetic field and this is where the current forms.  These "potentials" do not have to close (curl).

So with fast pulses - we force a gradiant to diverge, but never curl.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: gn0stik on June 06, 2007, 04:33:58 PM
wasn't it rice in china?
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: MrMag on June 06, 2007, 04:50:06 PM
Rich,

I think you are right. I do remember discussing rice in China. I do not think we discussed anything about the eggs.

Tim
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 06, 2007, 05:09:26 PM
I wish to make a revision to my post of yesterday for the following reasons:

@grumpy, I am not interested in Scaler waves, etc, at this point.  I am interested in finding out one thing, and one thing only:  How does SM "disable" the flux to allow the electrons to float free.  For NOW, this is the all consuming question I want to work on.

@everyone
Otto said to look up Mobius, and I did.  I understand it, BUT the problem I have run into in Otto's "figure Eight" configuration (and yes I know that the 4" is inside of the 6") is that it can NOT be the Mobius twist alone that disables the flux.  For a single input (I know that on Otto's there are three) even with a single mobius twist the electromagnetic fields around the conductors will not cancel because the wire is not FLAT LIKE A RIBBON but is round.  They will be traveling in the same direction.

Now, let's look at Otto's circuit.  There are three INPUTS of voltage, going in ALL DIFFERENT directions, including OPPOSING directions. We know that OTTO's coil WORKS, the flux is disabled, he has a vortex, it produces power.

So, back to the question, to help us along in our R&D.  How is the flux disabled?

I come up with four hypothesis to work thru.  We HAVE TO UNDERSTAND how this works (I did not say why! LOL).
#1  The flux is disabled by the convergence of frequencies alone

#2  The Mobius twist of Otto's is a "double twist" and is indeed responsible. 
@Gustav2  Find out from Otto if it is a "double twist/Mobius" if so that needs to be reflected on the schematic.

#3  Voltage inputs in "opposing" directions disables/cancels the flux  (My money is on this one)

#4  It is a combination of the above 3 items and will not work otherwise.

If Otto test's his coil, without the Mobius, and it works, then we can know that it is not responsable for disabling the flux.  That would leave #3 as the answer.

If someone has a magnetometer and loops some coil and inputs the identical voltage opposing one another, does it disable the flux?  I remember what SM said about seperate distinct inputs in opposing directions.  If it is indeed the cause of the disabling of the flux and we can prove that, it will help in all future development. 

If the frequencies input into a coil with voltage input in a single direction and power is still produced we will know that it is the frequencies alone that disable the flux and allow the electrons to float free.

@ Otto or Gustav2  Any insight into this would be a big help, if you have done some of the above experiments....

Thank you for your time,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: otto on June 06, 2007, 05:47:57 PM
Hello all,

@Bruce

guys, if you need help just a short message and Im here. I really have no time to look at this topic, on Gks topic. Please, dont even think that I dont want to read the topic here or GKs topic but the time is soooo fast.

I see you have trouble with Mobius. The same was with me until I learned how to look at the Mobius.

First a link: http://www.geom.uiuc.edu/docs/doyle/mpls/handouts/node15.html or just another picture of the Mobius.

 Now, take a pencil in your hand, imagine a point that travells around the Mobius. In one moment up and at the crossing, going down, travelling arround and at the next crossing going again up......This is the Mobius way. Now look at my final drawing. Imagine a point thats travelling: outer ring, travelling point is on the crossing and then the point is travelling in the INNER ring , arround and on the next crossing the point is again on the OUTER ring....
Yes, I know what you want to ask and now my answer: Our collectors are one top of the other. Dont forget this.
The final drawing is only to better show you the crossings, nothing else.

Just take a pencil in your hand and try.

Of course I tried without a Mobius. NO WAY!!!!
I tried also exact like in the Sweet drawing - this means just 1 crossing - NO WAY ITS A FAKE!!!!! Yes, guys - a fake. The Sweet drawing is, as usual, a fake. I know exactly, because I builded it: No way to work.

I was clever and tried 4 crossings. NO WAY to work!!! This is my statement, because I tried it.

Of course I know how to make the Sweet so it really can work. Its only logic for me.
The sweet is really near the TPU. Yes.

Otto

Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Grumpy on June 06, 2007, 05:57:17 PM
I wish to make a revision to my post of yesterday for the following reasons:

@grumpy, I am not interested in Scaler waves, etc, at this point.  I am interested in finding out one thing, and one thing only:  How does SM "disable" the flux to allow the electrons to float free.  For NOW, this is the all consuming question I want to work on.

To "disable" the flux - look into using a frequency to "turn off" a magnet.  

In the mobius and bifilar arrangements the flu is "cancelled".  This is not the same as if the flux had never formed - such as with the effects Tesla produced.  By the way, the mobius arrangement changes the self capacitance and raises the resonant frequency of the coil - bifilar series pancake (Tesla style) is similar and worth winding.


@everyone
Otto said to look up Mobius, and I did.  I understand it, BUT the problem I have run into in Otto's "figure Eight" configuration (and yes I know that the 4" is inside of the 6") is that it can NOT be the Mobius twist alone that disables the flux.  For a single input (I know that on Otto's there are three) even with a single mobius twist the electromagnetic fields around the conductors will not cancel because the wire is not FLAT LIKE A RIBBON but is round.  They will be traveling in the same direction.

What is better depicted in the image that I posted in color - produced by Gabi - is that the arrangement is not that of a mobius after all, as there is no fold or twist, but rather it folds back on itself and this is "bifilar cancelling" - not to be confused with "bifilar series" which would magnify rather than cancel.  The patent that I posted depicts a true mobius arrangement and discusses it's effects.  If Otto is using a mobius, then this drawing is incorrect and should look like the mobius in the patent with the rings inside and out - crossed at one point.

Now, let's look at Otto's circuit.  There are three INPUTS of voltage, going in ALL DIFFERENT directions, including OPPOSING directions. We know that OTTO's coil WORKS, the flux is disabled, he has a vortex, it produces power.

Not so fast.  Careful study of incandescent bulbs and their filaments will indicate that a bulb can be lit by a 12v source and an inductor if the make/break rate is fast enough.  This is a popular experiment in Physics classes.  YOu can make a mechanical oscillator out of a relay.  Otto's "measurments" do not indicate a working TPU.
http://www.pha.jhu.edu/dept/lecdemo/EM-j1b.html

So, back to the question, to help us along in our R&D.  How is the flux disabled?

I come up with four hypothesis to work thru.  We HAVE TO UNDERSTAND how this works (I did not say why! LOL).
#1  The flux is disabled by the convergence of frequencies alone

"Magnetic flux" is disabled when current ceases to flow.  The "magnetic field" is "cancelled" when the flux is equal and opposite - yet the electrons still flow because the electrons are the cause and the magnetic flux field is the effect.  You could look at the two opposite flux fields as "balanced potentials" - and you should right that down.

#2  The Mobius twist of Otto's is a "double twist" and is indeed responsible. 
@Gustav2  Find out from Otto if it is a "double twist/Mobius" if so that needs to be reflected on the schematic.

Yes, for duplication, you need to know how the thing is really wound.

#3  Voltage inputs in "opposing" directions disables/cancels the flux  (My money is on this one)

Here you mean voltage inputs of opposite polarity - lest they not move in opposite directions.  A negative and positive pulse would cancel when they cross - like you turned them off very quickly. Might want to right that down too.  If you turn the voltage on and off fast enough, the current never forms.

#4  It is a combination of the above 3 items and will not work otherwise.

If Otto test's his coil, without the Mobius, and it works, then we can know that it is not responsable for disabling the flux.  That would leave #3 as the answer.

If someone has a magnetometer and loops some coil and inputs the identical voltage opposing one another, does it disable the flux?  I remember what SM said about seperate distinct inputs in opposing directions.  If it is indeed the cause of the disabling of the flux and we can prove that, it will help in all future development. 

If the frequencies input into a coil with voltage input in a single direction and power is still produced we will know that it is the frequencies alone that disable the flux and allow the electrons to float free.

If you go back and look at Marco's (Turbo) TPU you will see that is has a bifilar cancelling collector and the control coils are wound along the entire ring.  I assume that he pulsed them sequentially.  He claims now that his was powered by his magnifying transmitter, but I still don't buy that.

@ Otto or Gustav2  Any insight into this would be a big help, if you have done some of the above experiments....

Thank you for your time,
Bruce

Sweet was ice cold - not hot - and would shut off when earthquakes occured, but yes, I do agree that it is still close.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: otto on June 06, 2007, 06:06:07 PM
Hello,

@Grumpy,

of course, youre right. I meant the collectors and the controls are in a way that we use in the TPU.

Dont you miss in the Sweet drawing a mooving of the particles? There is a DC supply. If I remember well, there is not even a magnet. Hmmmm....try it, built it - NO WAY.

Otto
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: mflynn44 on June 06, 2007, 06:13:39 PM
@Bruce

<quote>
We know that OTTO's coil WORKS, the flux is disabled, he has a vortex, it produces power.
<end quote>

Just a note of caution. We don't know that Otto has anything until we get replications of his work. I built Otto's simple circuit, as many others did, and saw nothing unusual. Later, I saw in the German thread that Otto said the circuit wouldn't work without using his power supply. Many people in the German thread are as frustrated as we are. Otto, I do appreciate your efforts and hope something comes of this but for now I'm just watching, not building..
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Grumpy on June 06, 2007, 06:29:46 PM
Hello,

@Grumpy,

of course, youre right. I meant the collectors and the controls are in a way that we use in the TPU.

Dont you miss in the Sweet drawing a mooving of the particles? There is a DC supply. If I remember well, there is not even a magnet. Hmmmm....try it, built it - NO WAY.

Otto

Actually the Sweet device is famous for the "specially conditioned" barrium ferrite magnets that are required for it's operation.  It is believed by some that these magnets were "conditioned" with pancake coils.

If you can not show that your are getting more power out than you are putting in, then the device is just an induction heater even if it converts square waves to sine waves, or manipulates current and voltage.  A transformer will convert a square wave to pulses as well as manipulate voltage and current.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: otto on June 06, 2007, 06:30:26 PM
Hello all,

@mflynn

sorry, totally wrong. Not power supply but oscillators!!!!
This is one of the reasons Mannix was pocking on tubes.

Otto
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: otto on June 06, 2007, 06:35:08 PM
Hello all,

@Grumpy you are wellcome in my home to see the induction heater. When you see my heater then you will think totally different.

Otto
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 06, 2007, 06:42:01 PM
@ Otto

Thank you Otto, that indeed clears it up for me.  Figure eight it is.  Thursday night one of my partners and I are going to begin to replicate. 

I for one believe you completely, because you describe the very thing in detail that should be happening with a "particle accelerator", which I said long ago the TPU indeed was.

I too saw the similarities between sweet and TPU and said so long ago.  In the sense that the triode tube was the vision of two men who went about the answer in to differant ways.  They say that great minds think alike!   ;)

Keep up the good work Otto, and many are going to replicate, it is not difficult to build! LOL

A drawing of you oscillator circuit for your mosfets would be helpful for some of us electronically challanged individuals.

Thank you for your time, and blessings,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Grumpy on June 06, 2007, 07:16:06 PM
Hello all,

@Grumpy you are wellcome in my home to see the induction heater. When you see my heater then you will think totally different.

Otto

Not until you disconnect the power supply (and it still works) or produce ice on the wires.

If you can light the bulb to full brightness then connect an outlet to it and plug your power supply into it.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: otto on June 06, 2007, 07:42:21 PM
Hello all,

@Grumpy

the main problem in the TPU is not to make a self runner but to control this beast. You know that there are several patents for the controls.
My 1. job is to optimize the control coils.
2. Built a synchronized oszillator
3. To somehow control this giant energy

I hope you can imagine the problems about controlling.

It would be nice to hear from all the people ideas. Im not Tesla.

Otto
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Grumpy on June 06, 2007, 07:51:00 PM
It would be nice to know the input and output power to determine if a true magnification of the input is occuring.

Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 06, 2007, 09:16:01 PM
@ Otto

I had a long discussion last night with our "tube genius".  From what I understood him to say is that he believes one of the main functions of the "tube circuit" or "mini tube amp" is actually to act as control for the beast.  He explained a number of ways that it would do that, but honestly it was beyond my understanding.  He said it had to do with control of the frequencies, control of feed back, etc. 

Some how a type of amplifier system acts to control the processes within the TPU.  Someone very familiar with that system and with what we are doing with the TPU should be able to help.  I will try to have my tube guy put some stuff in writing and post it.  He almost has his circuit ready for us.

Sorry I could not be of more help with this.   :(
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: eldarion on June 06, 2007, 09:53:52 PM
@all,

I have been thinking for a while about how to disable the flux, and I came up with this:
The "magnetic tornado" that the MAGVID generates would allow the electrons to reach relativistic speeds, no?  As the electrons follow the magnetic flux lines, couldn't this be considered "disabling the magnetic flux" to allow the electrons to reach those velocities?

The only thing that seems to be missing is a source for the electrons.  Otto revealed that when he stated that aluminum would get extremely hot in the center of the ring.  Hot aluminum ejects electrons...

The entire device would end up resembling an odd vacuum tube, with the heater in the center and the plates (collectors) near the edges.  Maybe it would work even better in a vacuum?

Also, an approaching thunderstorm would free electrons in the air, therefore causing the device to go into runaway.
The static magnetic field could be provided by the current flowing through the collector coil to the load, and when the load is disconnected the Earth's magnetic field could provide the same function.
Free electrons inthe air could be enough to start the device, but would not be enough to maintain its operation unless there was a storm overhead.

This could be complete nonsense, but it seems to incorporate much of what Steven Marks said.  As soon as I am able, I will start experimenting with these ideas.

Bob Rennips, this should explain your uncontrollable stepper motor circuit burnouts.  They would only burn out of there were enough free electrons in the air around the device, and it would be a one-shot deal until the free electrons are replenished somehow.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: giantkiller on June 07, 2007, 05:34:39 AM
Now I realize that alot of experimenters are all over Otto's 2nd circuit. And that is way more than his 1st circuit. This is a good thing. Having done the 1st one I looked at this one and still see likenesses with the 2. The GK4, oops, I meant Otto's 1st ckt has all the incoming frequencies tied together through all the coils. That configuration does get results. But I need a second set of eyes and agreement on this one. He's got all 3 frequencies tied as a short with the 230v 100w. Please tell I am i'll advised of this concern. If I am not wrong I could burn insulation too.
Does anybody see this? I am suspicious. Maybe the schematic is incorrect at this point. The text specifies 12vdc.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 07, 2007, 06:21:32 AM
@ GK
I am most certainly not the one to be answering this question when it comes to reading a circuit... :D...LOL!  But with that in mind and with all of the wrong terminology, what I see when I look at Otto's circuit:
1.  What he is calling primary and secondary coils, at 120 deg./240 deg./360 deg. are each in reality duel DC electromagnets.  (reminds me of part of TAO's coil drawing in downloads)

2.  The ONLY two outputs I see from the collectors are ALSO the inputs of the two collectors.  So he is mixing the three frequencies from the electromagnets at the bottom and top input that says Phase.  The same with the voltage exiting the electromagnets.

So the input becomes the output following conversion and 30 Watts (aprox from Ottos remarks) becomes 100 watts.

Now, MY QUESTIONS: LOL
1.  Is the ground for the inputs into the electromagnets also the frequency inputs into the electromagnets?

2.  Did you see in the second to last page (Rich, if you could number the pages of the pdf. please, it will be helpful I think.  Thanks.) the Lamp chord wire in the bottom drawing??  It looks like it is "on edge".  Also, notice there are two conductors drawn.   
Is this how Otto wants us to wire it, on edge?? 

3.  If we do wire it "on edge", the collectors, where do we hook up the extra wire on each collector??   

@ Otto, a little help please!

Cheers,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: otto on June 07, 2007, 12:48:12 PM
Hello all,

@Bruce

1. Ground = Minus??? If so, connect all minuses -MOSFETs Sources, from power supply, from oscillators TOGETHER and then forget them!!!!! This is all. DONT CONNECT ANY MINUS TO THE TPU!!!!!!

2. the lamp wire has 2 STRANDS. I must somehow make a drawing to show you how to connect the collectors. I see youre in trouble with the mobius.

Otto
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: MeggerMan on June 07, 2007, 12:53:22 PM
Hi Otto,
Looks like a flame war in the other thread.

I have been looking at building 3 oscillators onto 3 aluminium plates to be built into the TPU.

Using the AD9833 DDS chip (MSOP package, so very small indeed - 0.5mm pin pitch) and a high speed op amp to control the duty cycle.
25MHz crystal oscillator to drive the DDS.
Output feeds a to mosfet driver and mosfet.
The whole lot is mounted on a curved heatsink and another aluminium plate covers the circuit to shield it.
The control can be provided externally by a PIC chip and 4x20 LCD display. The control wires feed into the TPU via a shielded cable.
One PIC should be OK to drive all 3 AD9833 devices.

I am looking at the assembler code at the moment.

It will be easy to setup the PIC to control 3 separate freq. generators with a set frequency (adjusted by rotary encoder) but a little more difficult to setup a sweep mode to quickly explore more frequencies.
I have a 20x microscope I will be using to do the soldering with, my eyesight aint that good.

Rob

Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 07, 2007, 02:50:23 PM
@ Otto
How did I know you were going to say not to hook a ground/minus to the TPU?!  :)
That fits so well with what Jason showed on his youtube demonstration of the square waves being turned into sine waves, only when there was no minus/ground connected.

Yes Otto, VERY IMPORTANT to realize the collectors are "two conductor" lamp chord each.
Now understanding this, then there is no "figure eight", but rather two mobius bands, one on either side, just as you depict in your drawing?  Is this correct?  I will try to post a picture to have you see it and confirm.

Lastly, is the collector wire on edge as you show in you wing cross cut drawing?

@ Meggerman
When complete, please post your circuits here for the rest of the experimenters if you would be so kind.

Cheers,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: MrMag on June 07, 2007, 03:22:46 PM
Otto,

I too think a picture of your coil would be of great help. The two drawings posted show the collectors differently. One is a figure 8 and the other shows a red loop inside a blue loop??

Tim
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Grumpy on June 07, 2007, 09:36:23 PM
How is the ring wound?
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 07, 2007, 11:41:04 PM
@ Otto or Gustav 22
Which drawing posted by Grumpy is Correct??

One drawing shows the wire "on edge"

The Other Picture show the wire laid flat against the core.

Help is required! :) 

Cheers,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 09, 2007, 01:36:45 AM
@ Otto / Roberto

I built this just to give everyone a "visual aid". 

Is this double Mobius correct??

Thank you for your help,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: gn0stik on June 09, 2007, 03:20:35 AM
That coat hanger is gonna screw with your TPU. You should have it mounted on something non metallic, like wood or plastic.

Regards,
Rich
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 09, 2007, 03:53:43 AM
Hey Rich,

"VISUAL AID ONLY" LOL   :D  That is NOT going to be my replication of Otto's TPU.  I just want confirmation that the two "Mobius twists" are correct.  And then I can proceed to build a "proper" Otto coil.

I will use a hard foam core, and probably wrap it with "TEFLON TAPE".  Every one should know what that is for by now, LOL!

Thanks for watching my back though Rich!  ;)

Cheers,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Motorcoach1 on June 09, 2007, 10:09:57 AM
I'm cutting some plexie glass forms out to Ottos specs with riseer .( flat polished buy flame )I'll ship at cost ,only in the USA.!  limeted units for reasearchers. 2 each     be pacient I,-know what Otto ment so i will post the mobius coil in flat wind the same is in round wire  ( one on top of each other) not side buy side  ...thanks mike
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Motorcoach1 on June 09, 2007, 10:24:43 AM
@GK yes OTTO is on 220 50 hrz ...we'er on 120- 60 hz yes i see your connsern  if the TPU runs and get if off the grid then all is good. email me 
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 13, 2007, 08:26:40 AM
Well, that sure was fun!  A little arts and crafts, a little wiring and it is almost done.

I think I will name this ship the:

                                 MOBIUS ONE

I kinda like that.   :D  She is missing a control coil because I ran out of wire.  Why?  Because some young man at the electronics store converted meters to feet using a phone calculator and then gave me a 100 foot roll of wire.  (A few feet short of what is needed for three collectors for you non metric people out there) LOL  ;)

Tomorrow I wind one more control coil, and then solder.   The Mobius One is built on a solid foundation of heater core tubing.  Sure to resist melting, at all but implosion temperatures!  LOL

I had the urge, real bad to wrap my collectors first in teflon tape.  When heated this would release an incredible amount of free electrons.  Jason convinced me to replicate first and then play.   :(    But after my bulb(s) go off, I will wrap Mobius Two with layers of Teflon, then encase this with my blue heat resistant electrical tape.

I liked GK's idea, and used some of my scrap tubing to hold up the 4", but wrapped mine in tape.  I recieved news today that ordered Mosfets and drivers will be in Friday.  Friday I plug and play.  I am going to hook Mobius One to a power strip and plug bulbs in one after the other with a ampmeter inbetween my coil and the power strip.

"Captain, Mobius One is ready for launch!"
Cheers,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: chrisC on June 13, 2007, 08:54:20 AM
bruce:

you forgot to strap on the rocket engines! Good luck to your launch Friday. Keep us updated!

chrisC
Title: use battery
Post by: Earl on June 13, 2007, 10:12:15 AM
Bruce, if possible use battery instead of power supply.

Regards, Earl
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 13, 2007, 04:36:53 PM
@ Earl

Yep, we had already been planning on that.  I am also going to do an impedance test when Mobius One is soldered up.  I am hoping for enough ohms to limit the current of said battery.

"Aye, Captain, she is a fine looking ship, but does she have any power?" Scotty asks.

Cheers,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 17, 2007, 09:15:25 PM
Hello all,

My wire is in for my last control coil.  Our Mosfets and drivers are in, the exact ones told by Roberto and Otto.  Tonight I get together with one of my partners to solder and wire everything up and I hope to start to test.  I will Post Photos and details as they warrant.
I will first do a replication of Otto's and Roberto's work and look for the conversion on the Scope from Square wave to Sine wave.  Then we will work on order our parts for the phase inverter we are going to build, for each of the three frequencies.

Another research partner of mine, sent this to me and we believe there is some information for future use in understanding the TPU and how SM taps the Earths magnetic field that he mentions 12 times in the Dear_Lindsay .pdf.  Some of you will enjoy the math.

Email:
Many people think is not possible get power from the Earth magnetic field because that field intensity
is too low and the energy levels don?t work for useful applications, that is a bad claim

  I build many coils get many kilowatts for useful purposes from the Earth magnetic field and here show the basic concept and some formulas fundament all this

 Earth magnetic field influence is not for ignore, in times of hard sun activity the Earth magnetic field oscillates and in a long transmission power line there is surges
of voltage , overvoltages cause many trouble, breakdown and stoping the electrical sources, for the Faraday law that induction are gived for the following

 V = 2 * pi * f * B * A

 B will be the Earth magnetic field , f the frequency of the fluctuations and A the surface across the field go


 For calculation purposes we can approach the Earth magnetic field to 1 Gauss ( 10 ^ -4 Teslas)

If we think in a long common transmission line of about 10 Km and the lines are spaced to 1 mt we have

 V = 6,28 * 10^-4 * 10 ^ 4 * f = 6,28 * f

 if the flutuations should be  f = 10 Hz, we have a overvoltage of 63 V !, for 100 Hz then 630 V, etc,....

And so if the Earth magnetic field is lower in intensity is considerable his effect in a great surface rande and great volume range

 For energy and power considerations, we can see that field is lower than common magnets in our houses, but the volume of space is too large, the energy of a magnetic field is not in the field intensity only, the volume across that field expands is important
  The energy stored in a magnetic permanent field B across a space volume V is

 U = 1/(2*muo) * B^2 * V,  (1)

 muo is the magnetic permitivity of the vacuum

 Common permanent magnets store energy we can use for get unlimited power like the MEG of Bearden , then the Earth magnetic field across of a air core coil can do the same result

 Now we can do a comparation between a permanent magnet and a coil oriented to the Earth magnetic field for get the same energy levels

 Let's take in consideration a powerful permanent magnet as the used in a MEG of 5000 gauss and dimentions of 50 mm x 20 mm x 10 mm , according of that values the energy stored in the permanent
magnet will be using (1) :

 U = 1/(8*pi*10^-7) * (0,5)^2 * (5*10^-2)*(2*10^-2)*(10^-2)

 U = 0,995 Joule

  That is say 1 Joule aprox of energy, however it may be a low energy level, but devices like the MEG with that permanent magnet get too many kilowatts, the reason is because that magnetic energy is constant.
 If we close that magnetic field in a core or magnetic circuit and we pulse that field we get 1 joule of energy at any desired time rate because the permanent magnet store that energy unlimitied and so if we want a power output of 1 KW as the power P we calculate

 P = dU/dt

 for P = 1 KW , we need pulse 1 joule of energy for only 1 milisecond

 Of the same way if we can get power levels of the same levels from the Earth magnetic field we must calculate the adecuate volume of the air coil, by using the same equation we see


  (0,5)^2 * (5*10^-2)*(2*10^-2)*(10^-2) = ( 10^-4)^2 * V

 V is the volume of the coil we need for get the same magnetic energy levels


 resulting...... V = 250 m3


that is say a cubic coil of 6,3 mts of diameter and 6,3 mts of long oriented paralell to the Earth magnetic field can store the same energy of that little 5000 gauss permanent magnetc we consider for a MEG device

 But is not necessary build a too large coil , we can build a more little coil, the enclosed magnetic energy will be lower but as P = dU/dt we must raise the frequency of the pulses for get the same power level for a more bigger coil, for example an air coil of 1 meter of diameter and 1 meter of long according to (1) store an energy


 U = 1/(8*pi*10^-7) * ( 10^-4)^2 * pi * 1 / 4 * 1 = 0,003 Joule

 If we pulse that energy level to 330 KHz we get 1 KW, 2 KW to 660 KHz, etc,.....more frequency more power


 Then the question is how we pulse the constant magnetic field inside of the coil and the answer is single, with a external source can cancel the Earth magnetic field inside of the coil
The external source need a power level and we need the output power can be more great than the input external source power, that is say, there must be power and energy amplification respect
to the input external source, for see that power amplification we must do the following

 Let the magnetic field variation inside of the air coil gived for:


 B(t) = Bo + Bf * Sin( w * t )


  Where Bo is the constant Earth magnetic field, Bf the magnetic field in the coil caused for the external power source for cancel the inside Earth magnetic field, and w the angular frequency of the external source

Replacing B(t) in the equation (1) we get  energy variation in time, U(t), then we can calculate the power as P = dU/dt resulting



 P(t) = Bf * w * V * ( Bo + Bf * Sin( w * t) * Cos( w * t ) ) / mu0,  (2)



  Remember V is the volumen inside of the coil

 We see here the output power go in dependence of Bo , the Earth magnetic field, such as in the Bearden Meg go in dependence of the magnetic field intensity of the magnet in the magnetic circuit

 Then we can calculate a COP rate with Bo and without Bo, or Bo = 0

 Calculating the rms power for both cases ( not reproduced here beacause it correspond to a couse of basical diferential calculus )  and making the ratio, the result for the COP is

 COP = SQRT( 1 + ( 2 * Bo / Bf )^2 ) , SQRT denotes square root

We see then power amplification ,and of corse if Bo=0, not permanent magnetic field,  the maximal COP is 1, input and output powers are equal, in the Bearden MEG the condition is Bo=Bf for not degaussing the permanent magnet and in that case we have  COP = SQRT(5) a value between 2 and 3 corresponding to the real and practical results for this classic calculations

 But for the Earth magnetic field we can get values more elevated because never we can cause the desmagnetization of the Earth magnetic field

 How many turns of the coil, frequency, diameter, longs, etc, we need?

 The input power for cancel the Earth magnetic inside the coil, or the condition  Bf = Bo , we calculate using the rms component of (2) doing Bo = 0, we have

 P = 0,05 * f * A * L ,  P in watts
 
 A is the section of the coil in mts2, f the frequency in Hertz, L the long in mts

 For cancel the Earth magnetic field inside of the coil the condition based in the ampere law is
 
 N * i / L = 100

 N the number of turns of the coil and i the current in amperes

 Finally the induced voltage in the coil will be

 V = 2 * pi * f * N * Bo * A

 Filling with values we have for example

 N = 1000 turns, f = 100 KHz , diameter coil = 1 mt , L = 1 mt , i = 100 mA = 0,1 A, Bo = Earth magnetic field

 V = aprox 4000 Volts

 Input power then for this example is about 4 KW, output power for the COP factor will be a maximal of 12 KW, then in closed loop operation we give the needed 4 KW to the input for get an autopowered device resulting in a static generator delivers 8 KW of unlimitied power output, my practical results go according this calculations

 How is the practical building?

 By using a large plastic pipe we build the primary input coil for use with the external source, for get the output power we use another pipe inside of the first pipe aprox of the same diameter and long with the adecuate turns and wire for step down the voltage, for example 110 VAC
 The Hight voltage oscillator of the input source I use a resonant LC from ferrite power transformers

 Is very interesting see work this devices, and in days of geomagnetic storms power levels go too many hight and I must put protections for don't damage the system and charges I've connected

 Now there is another performance in this, if we use not an air coil and we use a core, steel, iron, or another the field inside increases dramatically and we get a more little coil and more power, but we don't can use high frequencies

 But not air coils is other theme for other time

 Any question to the following email deleting WITHOUTTHIS

 enertec2200WITHOUTTHIS@yahoo.es
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Motorcoach1 on June 18, 2007, 03:50:05 AM
Thank you for the Post. reminds me of when I built and tested the Cook coil set up. I had to use  large Nichrominum resistors to get rid of unwanted potencil gains in voltage and fast lol. I tried the LMD circut and feild and had some fair results with it and looks promiceing. still looking at OTTOS WORK IN PROGRESS. Yours looks good. ...Mike
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 18, 2007, 07:32:39 AM
@ Mike - Thanks

@Everyone -
Up late studying and researching.  Found something of value.  the post I give is from Keelynet and is old to many of you, but it has me thinking about disabling the magnetic flux.
 
First SM's words:
"8 YES, torodial transformers have some very weird factors..
Study the strange factors."

And next the post from Keelynet:
Hi Folks!

Received the following email claiming a successful f/e device using
toroids;
-------------
You wrote;
> I would like to inform you that we have a working device that was
> developed by Omnidyne Inc. The device is very simple in concept and
> does not violate any laws of electrodynamics. The device is an
> electrical generator that uses a toroidal coil as the stator section.
>
> As you know toroidal coils trap 99% of the associated magnetic flux
> thus Lenz's law does not apply to this type of coil there is no flux
> around the conductor the external field does not exist it is all
> within the core of the toroidal.
As you know all that is required to
> generate or induce a voltage is to have a relative motion between a
> conductor and a magnetic field.
>
> If there is a completed circuit then current will flow generating
> a magnetic field which in the case of the toroidal is trapped and in
> the case of other coils is external to the coil and in opposition to
> the flux field that induced the flow i.e. Lenz's law.
>
> The fact that the toroidal traps 99% of the associated flux is the
> same if you apply or induce a voltage. The torque of any electrical
> generator is due to the flux field interactions of Lenz's law.
>
> The magnetic force that the rotor encounters must be overcome by the
> application of an input torque but with our design we are able to
> trap this flux so that there is no external flux field to interact
> with that of the rotor thus we have eliminated about 90% of the input
> torque required to produce electrical power output.
>
> In the many models that we have produced we have learned many things.
> The most important is that the flux field interactions that exist in
> current generators also greatly reduces the amount of inductive
> reactance so by eliminating this flux field interaction we have a
> very large value of inductive reactance which drops the terminal
> voltage when current flows IxZ=voltage
drop thus we have been working
> on this design issue and have developed several solutions.
>
> This is not a thermal dynamic system thus it does not violate any
> laws of thermodynamics.

(*Me speaking again.  So, if I understand the first part, they claim there is no flux around the conductor.  Could this be one of the strange factor of toroids SM refered to?)

SM's words:
"Now, electrons can travel only so fast along the surface of the wire
because of magnetic flux.
What if you disable the effects of the flux?
My unit operates on these principles."

Aside from the frequencies, this is one of the most important clues.  With the flux, no speed.  Without, electrons at the speed of light.

Thank you for your time,
Bruce  (Working on Otto's replication, and always working on SM's clues)


Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: turbo on June 18, 2007, 07:50:57 AM
 :)
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: bob.rennips on June 18, 2007, 01:05:24 PM
@ Mike - Thanks

@Everyone -
Up late studying and researching.  Found something of value.  the post I give is from Keelynet and is old to many of you, but it has me thinking about disabling the magnetic flux.
 
First SM's words:
"8 YES, torodial transformers have some very weird factors..
Study the strange factors."

And next the post from Keelynet:
Hi Folks!

Received the following email claiming a successful f/e device using
toroids;
-------------
You wrote;
> I would like to inform you that we have a working device that was
> developed by Omnidyne Inc. The device is very simple in concept and
> does not violate any laws of electrodynamics. The device is an
> electrical generator that uses a toroidal coil as the stator section.
>
> As you know toroidal coils trap 99% of the associated magnetic flux
> thus Lenz's law does not apply to this type of coil there is no flux
> around the conductor the external field does not exist it is all
> within the core of the toroidal.
As you know all that is required to
> generate or induce a voltage is to have a relative motion between a
> conductor and a magnetic field.
>
> If there is a completed circuit then current will flow generating
> a magnetic field which in the case of the toroidal is trapped and in
> the case of other coils is external to the coil and in opposition to
> the flux field that induced the flow i.e. Lenz's law.
>
> The fact that the toroidal traps 99% of the associated flux is the
> same if you apply or induce a voltage. The torque of any electrical
> generator is due to the flux field interactions of Lenz's law.
>
> The magnetic force that the rotor encounters must be overcome by the
> application of an input torque but with our design we are able to
> trap this flux so that there is no external flux field to interact
> with that of the rotor thus we have eliminated about 90% of the input
> torque required to produce electrical power output.
>
> In the many models that we have produced we have learned many things.
> The most important is that the flux field interactions that exist in
> current generators also greatly reduces the amount of inductive
> reactance so by eliminating this flux field interaction we have a
> very large value of inductive reactance which drops the terminal
> voltage when current flows IxZ=voltage
drop thus we have been working
> on this design issue and have developed several solutions.
>
> This is not a thermal dynamic system thus it does not violate any
> laws of thermodynamics.

(*Me speaking again.  So, if I understand the first part, they claim there is no flux around the conductor.  Could this be one of the strange factor of toroids SM refered to?)

SM's words:
"Now, electrons can travel only so fast along the surface of the wire
because of magnetic flux.
What if you disable the effects of the flux?
My unit operates on these principles."

Aside from the frequencies, this is one of the most important clues.  With the flux, no speed.  Without, electrons at the speed of light.

Thank you for your time,
Bruce  (Working on Otto's replication, and always working on SM's clues)


What he's basically saying is transformers work because the primary coil induces current into the secondary coil via a changing magnetic flux.

Now consider a toroidal transformer it is in effect one toroid inside of another toroid. But we know that a toroidal coil has no flux outside of the coil, therefore you would think the inside toroidal coil wouldn't interact with the outside toroidal coil and viser versa. But it does, and it does so, very efficiently.

That's one of the interesting things of toroidal coils.


SM says "What if you disable the effects of the flux?".

SM doesn't say remove the flux, or disable the flux, he says disable the effects of the flux. If you were to spin the electrons in the air, that would in effect disable the flux because the electrons are not moving down a piece of copper. The moving charges would still create a magnetic field, but because the magnetic field is not generated around a conductor, you can spin this magnetic field as fast as you want, by spinning the electrons as fast as you want.

Further more if you were to spin Radiant Energy particles ( Tesla referred to r.e. as particles) I would imagine you would get a very large magnetic field.

Problem is we can imagine that R.E particles, will be both negative and positive, so how do you stop the rotating particles from cancelling out ? By moving negative to one area and positive to another area. How can you do this ? By having a static magnetic field from either a permanent magnet of electromagnet.

SM has three collector coils. Top coil intersects spinning magnetic field from +ve r.e. particles. Bottom coil intersect spinning magnetic field from -ve r.e. particles. So what's the middle coil for ? This is the feedback coil. Initially the weak permanent magnet seperates the particles, but not too well. If we intercept the two other fields with 'many vertical pieces of wire' we will get a DC current. Feed this back to the middle coil and you now have a much more powerful static magnetic field. This in turn will separate the particles MUCH better. In fact you are making something like a penning trap. Here you immediately have a feedback circuit (called this F1) that will run away from you burning wires and smoke.

Further more, more particles will generate a higher voltage. Feed this higher voltage back into the control coils that generate the r.e. particles, and you will get more r.e. particles. This is another feedback circuit (F2)that will run away from you until burning wires and smoke.

Finally, r.e. particles will escape from the penning style trap at a certain rate. As soon as you cross the threshold of more particles being generated than escaping then you have a much more serious feedback problem (F3).

F1 - the effect will max out once the field is high enough to separate he particles efficiently. This will give you the first power boost that allows the SM device to start with a small battery.

F2 - this is the threshold feedback event. If you have an efficient R.e. generating circuit then at some point 'catalyst' will be reached.

F3 -catalyst has been reached if you do not have a limiter, you can appreciate that charge densities could get extremely high, extremely quickly. That sort of energy build up is a BOOM type event. Lightening bolt territory.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 18, 2007, 03:28:21 PM
@ Marco
So you are saying that the flux line are either around the toroid or inside the core of the toroid, but none on the exterior, where we wrap the collectors?

@ Bob R.
I like alot of your theory, but I have to disagree with you on the simply "spinning" electrons.  But I do agree on the disabling of the "effects" of the flux. How, how how...is  what must be figured out and experimented with.

I should have quoted the rest of SM in my last post, but here it is.

SM's Words:
"My unit operates on these principles.
Now the electrons float freely without anything holding them back.
Electrons at the sped of light are now a possibility!
How much energy can be converted from a stream of electrons traveling
close to the speed of light?"

Cheers,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: bob.rennips on June 18, 2007, 04:08:20 PM

@Bruce
Probably should clarify - when I talk about spinning electrons I'm not talking about electron spin, I'm talking about moving the electrons/r.e. in circular path say 5 inches in diameter, at very high velocities around this path. The upper and lower collectors are in effect helm holz coils so will cause charged particles to move into a circular path. Again the higher the field the tighter the circle. The tighter the circle the faster they move by conservation of momentum.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 18, 2007, 05:11:39 PM
@ Bob R.
Thank you for the clarification. :)  Yes, I see we are most certainly on the same page.  Dom has an idea from the other thread worth investigating, concerning how the effects of the flux might be disabled.

Cheers,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: EMdevices on June 18, 2007, 05:21:09 PM
Toroids are very interesting.  Just like Marco showed, the B-field is traped inside the toroid and the Magnetic Vector Potential, or the 'A' field, is circulating in the same direction as the current.  

If one does a standard EM calculation on a secondary coil,  we still have a magnetic flux 'B' that penetrates the secodary coil.  So the E. dl = V = d/dt [ integrate(B . da) ]  or E = d (flux) / dt,   basicaly the voltage in one loop of wire is equal to the change in the flux penetrating the loop.  This clasical EM equation still holds and it's quite usefull, but in this case it does bring up other questions.

What is interesting and puzzling, is that people are used to the 'B' field, and the 'A' field is a mathematical construct.  And it seems to a lot of us, that if there is no 'B' field present at the location of the wire, why should there be any induction?

It makes lots of sense, that's why I love EM concepts, they're thought provoking and mysterious at times.  

I like to think that something must be present at the location of the wires,  I don't like the ACTION AT A DISTANCE concept (and lots of the EM "founding fathers" didn't either , that's why they came up with the concept of FIELDS, to bridge the gap)

Now, what is the 'A' field?   well mathematicaly the 'B' field is sometimes described as  B = del x A  or  H = del x A.   We're basicaly saying, the curl or rotation of the A field gives rise to the B field.    Well, what else that rotates gives rise to a B field?   A loop of wire !!!   So if "greek" books are consulted, you might stumble on an equation for the 'A' field around a simple wire, at it is a simple vector field (has direction not just magnitude)  and it points in the SAME DIRECTION AS THE WIRE THAT IS CARRING THE CURRENT,  AND THE MAGNITUDE DROPS OF EXPONENTIALY AS WE MOVE AWAY FROM THE WIRE.    I just think of it as a Current distributed in space around the wire.   As if the current is not LOCALIZED TO THE WIRE.

But that's just me  :)

EM
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 18, 2007, 05:27:35 PM
@ Dom
Your post in the other thread reminded me of one of SM's posts, check this out.

SM's words:
"We instead must deliberately tune off the frequencies of conversion
in order to make the thing properly work.
Remember that it is like a furnace which feeds itself.
The hotter it gets the more fuel it gives itself to burn.
that is why the control units are so very important.

Without the control unit constantly monitoring the frequencies of
operation and making the necessary changes to keep the whole thing off
exact conversion frequency, then the unit would very quickly destroy it's
self."

What if he is being literal with the heat explanation and not an analogy.  The hotter it gets, the more electrons float, the more electrons that speed, the more power is generated.  The "frequency of conversion" (I have been saying it is not random frequencies all along and time will tell.) heats the wire to such an extent that it melts.


@ EM
With what you write, what would the effect be of an AC electromagnetic field over the Toroid and it's effect on both B and A?  Would this "disable the effects of the flux" of the conductors wrapped horizontally around the outside of the toroid?

Thinking aloud,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Thaelin on June 18, 2007, 05:59:08 PM
 @ Tenzer:
   There is no doubt that it will heat up. Does it require that heat? Thought provoking.  I do know that you can insert a piece of alum in the place of a metal core and the eddy currents will have the same effect on it. Magnetic or not. Some times I wished I had a degree and then others I dont.

sugra
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: EMdevices on June 18, 2007, 06:58:16 PM
Quote
@ EM
With what you write, what would the effect be of an AC electromagnetic field over the Toroid and it's effect on both B and A?  Would this "disable the effects of the flux" of the conductors wrapped horizontally around the outside of the toroid?

Are you envisioning another coil wound around the toroid, on the larger dimention of the toroid (the circumference)?  Either on the inside or the outside of the toroid?

If the coil is on the inside of the toroid, then conceptualy we have the A flux penetrating the coil's area.   The question then becomes can we generate a current in such a coil positioned in the said fashion?   I think the answer is No.  There is no equation like  V = dA/dt. 

However, if another coil is placed on top of the toroid in a vertical plane that intersects the toroid (so the intersection is a circle) then one side of the coil would be CLOSER to the toroid windings, and the other FARTHER (assuming the coil is not centered with respect to the toroidal axis.)   This then would induce a current in the coil.  A little known equation that emerges from mathematical manipulations is  E = u dA/dt  :) and earlier I said there is no equation like V= dA/dt, but you have to understand the physical positioning or orientation.  Orientation is everything in electro-magnetics.

EM

P.S.  Look at the next posting, I included a diagram.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: EMdevices on June 18, 2007, 07:20:34 PM
Sorry guys, it's hard to imagine orientation from a word description.  I'm usually better at this.  :)   

Here's a diagram!!

EM


Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 18, 2007, 07:52:09 PM
Take a look see at this, found in an excerpt from a patent:

"Accordingly, magnetic flux generated by high frequency currents flowing inversely to each other in the two kinds of first and second through-hole electrodes cancels each other in the multilayer electronic device and is nullified."

Definition:  Inversely
Reversed in position or direction

What if SM input two seperate voltage signals into the wires inversely of one another to "disable the effects" of the flux?

SM's words:
"The point I wish to make here is that also along with the 500 volt
DC is, yes, you guessed it, the 5 volts three amp AC current!
They are both completely independent of each other except for
some very interesting things I will mention to you some other
time..

First of all, obviously you can have several different output
components in the power output signal.
You can have DC and AC together without any problem."

(*Could it be as simple as this to disable the "effects" of the flux? Could this be the reason he inverted DC to AC in the TPU?  (According to the letter from the investor and SM's posts about this.)

More from the patent:
"as explained above, when the first through-hole electrodes connected to the first internal electrodes and the second through-hole electrodes connected to the second internal electrodes are arranged next to each other in the dielectric body, an effect that magnetic flux cancels each other further improves due to high frequency currents flowing inversely to each other."

(*Okay, so here we have the mobius type cancelation of flux and then this is enhanced with current flowing in opposite directions!)

From a different Patent:
"from a magnetic flux generated by said wiring, an eddy current in a direction which cancels at least a portion of the magnetic flux."

(*Now this is interesting.  A long time ago I spoke of one of the ways to induce eddy currents was through AC electromagets as the control coils.  It would seem that those eddy currents can also cancel some of the magnetic flux also.)

From a scientific paper:
"It is well understood that magnetic flux in opposite directions cancel each other so that the total field is weakened."

(*I now believe that the combination of mobius or similar and inversely input currents worked together to "disable the effects of the flux.")

Thank you for your time,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: turbo on June 18, 2007, 07:53:43 PM
well i saved that torroid picture from a site but i don't remember which it was.
but there was another image which looks like Otto's tpu.
Marco.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: turbo on June 18, 2007, 07:57:36 PM
ah, i found it in my history  :)

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Starship/9201/ortho/orthotrad.html (http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Starship/9201/ortho/orthotrad.html)
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: EMdevices on June 18, 2007, 08:42:13 PM
Hey that's a flying saucer, how cool !!!  :)

So if we place an object above a toroid it should loose some weight?

I never performed this experiment, but its worth trying.

EM
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: EMdevices on June 18, 2007, 08:59:56 PM
Quote
From a scientific paper:
"It is well understood that magnetic flux in opposite directions cancel each other so that the total field is weakened."

I picture flux, and EM fields for that matter,  as strain or stress in a jello like material, some use to call aether (and some still do :)  )    Now a days, this concept is superceeded by "space-time"  booga booga booga  :)   It's the same thing in my mind, its a medium with properties.

Why is this concept of strain/stress important, well it can be easier to comprehand why summation/cancelation of fields occurs.

However, I want to add that you will never compleately cancel FIELDS !!!!!

That's right, why do I say that?   Well because if you zoom in on a source of charge, as is often done in theoretical developments, that charge has some SIZE !!!!   And you can't OVERLAP it completely.

For example,  two wires VERY CLOSE together.   Is the B-field completley canceled?   No !!!    It might be reduced SIGNIFICANTLY at some distance from the wires, but as you approach the two wires you see a HUGE MAGNETIC FIELD, which is now TIGHTLY COUPLED AROUND THE WIRES.

It's all about perspective and dimentions as well.

So I don't know what SM is talking about.  It could be he means bifilar with currents running in opposition, or it could mean some other fundamental concept he has in mind.  I'm just not good at reading minds  :)

EM
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Motorcoach1 on June 20, 2007, 05:38:11 AM
@Bruce - I feel WaveWatcher may have something there. I was looking for this Document and he found it ( I was misspelling Forders name in the search) I'm going to bend a form in the next couple of days you may want to look at. I took apart a telephone cable of 25 pair 200 ft long that gives me 50 spools of wire to play with lol. I'll be bending it from 1/4 copper tube and clear plastic tube over that and the coax brade over the tube to start with. This should give me the RF skin effect I'm looking for. thanks Mike  ...let me know your thoughts.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 20, 2007, 07:41:31 AM
Hey Mike,
I was wondering what happened to my telephone pole!  :D  LOL  It sounds like a good experiment, and I agree that WaveWatcher is on to something indeed.  I like his 7-4-1 idea, and the numbers fit.  I also like the AC and the .pdf that shows the potential reason for it.  I am hoping that someone will test AC RF 7.23 in place of the dc in the control coils of the ECD to see if there is a change.  I also like the antenna idea with the flat wire, which I still agree is lampchord.

@ Everyone
Thanks to DA for posting some great pictures.  I just want to talk about the first one.  the 15" cut away.  I zoomed as close as possible, and to me it looks as if there are three lamp chords on the top, laid one on top of the other, pancake style. and the same appears on the bottom of the cut away.  Now, for my hypothesis:

If we took the ECD as is, enlarged the 6" bottom to 15" on the bottom of the TPU and ran the lamp chord "the hard way" (as it is attached to hose, horizontal).  Okay, now, we take the 4" top loop and enlarge it to 15" and it goes on top of the TPU.  Now let us say they are joined with a double mobius.  This is ONE COLLECTOR.  Now, take a second 15" ECD lamp chord and place pancake onto of the bottom one, give a double mobius and then a 15" ECD lamp chord under the other lampchord on the TOP of the TPU.  This is the SECOND Collector!  And lastly the same with the third top and bottom.  This is the THIRD collector. 

"Three collectors, one on top of the other made with lamp chord.  Three is important, can be wired in series, or parallel or both."  SM's words summerized.  Could two more identical ECD's one inside of the other, be possible to give us three TOTAL collectors?
If Marco could draw out what I am trying to say about the 15" it would help.

Thank you for your time,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Motorcoach1 on June 20, 2007, 07:31:51 PM
@ Bruce - Interesting Idea , Oh that telephone pole is in mexico , they ran short of them.  hehehe    Comming soon HaloMbious
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 21, 2007, 02:31:47 AM
@ Everyone
An easy to understand small tutorial on harmonics:

http://www.redshift.com/~dcanright/harmser/

7
4


Cheers,
Bruce

Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Thedane on June 21, 2007, 07:35:07 PM
I was surfing the net gathering info about the mobius coil and found this interesting document:
http://www.manipura.it/Download/Orgonite.pdf

The interesting stuff is at page 36 and forward.  :)
He's driving a crystal with 1-3 mobius coils.
He also mentions that scalar waves is hazardous to humans in their "raw" stages, and suggests that a crystal be placed to dampen the negative effects.

There's a also a section where he mixes different crystals and other compounds together - and to me it seems like the effects are somewhat similar to the Hutchison effect with his crystal batteries.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 22, 2007, 05:48:52 AM
@ EVERYONE
Please read our New friend, WaveWatchers Thread here, if you have not already:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2577.new.html#new

@ Everyone
Yep, Special Relativity.  SM said it, and I said it here:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=2300.msg33080;topicseen

Reply #146

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2535.msg35202.html

Reply #145

But not nearly as well as WaveWatcher has just said it.  He has done it, experienced it and now posted it.  We need to wake up....this is a double from our walk to first to third, to use a Mannix analogy.

BUT what I did not think about was the frequencies opposing one another.  I had talked about AC opposing DC.  I had talked about the frequencies going in different directions, but each in it's own wire.

So to produce power, you are inputing -7 -4 -1 harmonics, but putting the same signal opposing each other in the same coil?!!  VERY INGENIOUS... 

LISTEN UP EVERYONE:
This is how to grow our "baby" TPU to "teen years"!!  Does everyone get it?? :)

@WaveWatcher
Thank you, my friend.  You have saved us a great deal of time and R&D.

Quote from WaveWatcher:
The difference between potentials is the place where work can be done. If the same frequency is applied to both rings going both directions with separate signals and the rings are inductively coupled to propogate that signal back and forth between rings a multitude of spawned frequencies would emerge. Each taking the same path and spawning more of the same until the mechanics of the process could not support higher frequencies without serious attenuation.

Quote from "The Sagnac Effect"
2. Space (or a combination of space-time) must contract in the direction of motion, or contrary to relativistic doctrine, expand in the case where the light wave is opposite to the direction of motion, by the value, [vt].
AND
Relativists will claim the Sagnac effect is valid in relativity, thereby sanctioning the precise opposite of what the theory was to achieve, which is a single wave front common to all observers ! A moment's reflection will convince you that without this objective, the theory is redundant. (see Relativistic Kinematics)


(*Think cannon ball story!  ;) )

Warm Regards,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 22, 2007, 05:08:11 PM
@Everyone IMPORTANT

I think I oversimplified in above post.  Re reading this, it is the same frequency input in both direction in BOTH of the Mobius rings that will produce the power!

"If the same frequency is applied to both rings (of the mobius) going both directions with separete signals and the rings are inductively coupled to propogate that signal back and forth between rings a multitude of spawned frequencies would emerge. Each taking the same path and spawning more of the same until the mechanics of the process could not support higher frequencies without serious attenuation."

THAT is the SECRET to make more power from our "baby" TPU.  This is the real deal folks.

Cheers,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Thaelin on June 22, 2007, 05:37:14 PM
   If you want to see this in real time, take two signal gens positive leads only. One small hobby motor and wire it to both gens. Now set the frequencys low but slightly off each other and watch the motor rev up and down as the frequencies counter act each other.
   I have a bifilar coil from other things wound with a lot of wire. I put a small ninety degree coil through the center and hooked up two signals. Well not much. then I moved one of the signals to the output end and the scope went nuts. Good way to see it too.

sugra
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: gyulasun on June 22, 2007, 08:28:50 PM
   If you want to see this in real time, take two signal gens positive leads only. One small hobby motor and wire it to both gens. Now set the frequencys low but slightly off each other and watch the motor rev up and down as the frequencies counter act each other.
   I have a bifilar coil from other things wound with a lot of wire. I put a small ninety degree coil through the center and hooked up two signals. Well not much. then I moved one of the signals to the output end and the scope went nuts. Good way to see it too.

sugra


Hi Sugra,  please be a bit more specific:  you fed the bifilar coils  from the two signal gens and checked the output at the small 90 degree coil?
This means if the two frequencies  are the same (and in phase I suppose) then there is no output due to field cancellation in the bifilar coils but if you offset one of the frequencies a little then output is created, right?
thanks, Gyula
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 24, 2007, 06:01:39 AM
Okay, I like Marco's research.  Very good deductive reasoning and magnetometer informations.  Just a few thoughts to add.

SM's Words:

"He acquired better magnetometers and his research found that you could tune the magnetometers to certain specific frequencies and tap directly into, large magnetic waves.  When I say large, I am referring to huge.  That was useable power.  However, you had to find a circuit potential in order for the electrons to flow."

AND

"My units behave exactly like common radios in one way. With a radio you have many different stations broadcasting at different frequencies.  Yes I know about the difference between Frequency Modulation and Amplitude Modulation, etc.
That is not relevant for our conversation here.  You tune your radio to the station you desire and the closer you tune to  the ideal frequency the stronger the amplification of the signal will be and the better the radio will collect and amplify the signals for their
entertainment value.

If the radio signal is too strong the radio receiver might be overloaded and
distortion or other bad effects will take place.
By tuning slightly off frequency we can weaken the signal the radio is receiving and amplify and produce the sound for entertainment purposes.  However, the music will not be of high quality.  The music will be lacking in response and timbre, etc.
OK let us compare this story of the common radio.
Think of the power unit as a device similar to a radio receiver.
No I do not want to hear feed back informing me that I am trying to
convince the world my unit works on radio waves!!!.
But it behaves very much like a simple radio receiver except for the fact
that radio waves need to be amplified before they can be of any use to us.
My units behave as though they are variable tuning devices, and
we are tuning them to a frequency just like a radio.

The closer you get to the center frequency the more power you
permit the collector to dissipate into a load.
the important difference here is that in the case of the radio, you tune into
the frequency and amplify it for use.
In the case of my power unit, you create several frequencies
within a space of the collector coil's circumference.
The frequencies are directly related to the circumference of the
collector coil.

You can begin to collect the current and dissipate it with no need for
amplification because the signal source also becomes the feed for
the power source and has the natural tendency to run with gain.

*So, what do Magnetometer's and Radios have in common?  And this similarity is in the TPU.  So here it is....enjoy and Remember SM's words you just read as you read this...it is almost laughable.  You might think SM wrote it!  LOL  :)


For the quick overview: 
In summary, we can see that magnetometers resemble radios, at
least, in part due to the necessity to tune them (i.e. tune-initialize).


SM says in a video that his device vibrates at 7.3 hz.  That is one frequency.  The Email from one potential invester who was at the demonstration, said that SM stated 7.23 Hz.  We also know it produced DC power, not AC.  IF AC, SM never would have used the inverter for the demonstrations.  Were there three other frequencies in the collectors?  Of course.  But where did the 7.23/7.3 come from??  Could that be WHY SM inverted the DC to AC as the investor stated and used AC to power Some/ALL the control coils, using the waves of inductive magnetic oscillating fields on top of the three frequencies??  If the three frequencies, now are square wave to sine, the added power missing must come from one or all of the following:
1.  Missing AC component at 7.23 Hz
2.  Missing Mechanical component
3.  Missing putting the frequencies (somehow?!) opposing each other
4.  All of the above. 
We ARE making progress!  We need experimenters!!  Please help!

Thank you for your time,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 24, 2007, 09:41:45 AM
Okay, maybe simple?!  Got it!  LOL

Our TPU is missing:
1.  Long Waves
2.  Gain - maybe
3.  Magnetic field OVER it/around it (magnetic field on a toroid) - AC 7.23 Hz control coil JUST to provide the field over the toroid as the longitudinal waves pulse there way through??

@ BEP, Chris, others
what do you think?  Is this long wave good enough, or do we need to start with radios?  FM of course.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: BEP on June 25, 2007, 12:10:34 AM
Okay, maybe simple?!  Got it!  LOL

Our TPU is missing:
1.  Long Waves
2.  Gain - maybe
3.  Magnetic field OVER it/around it (magnetic field on a toroid) - AC 7.23 Hz control coil JUST to provide the field over the toroid as the longitudinal waves pulse there way through??

@ BEP, Chris, others
what do you think?  Is this long wave good enough, or do we need to start with radios?  FM of course.

1. I used an audio signal first because I start simple and confirm what should happen happens and expected characteristics are found before proceeding to test of theories. It was simply an easy source of known multi-frequency AC hash. The source device did not matter nor the station it was tuned to.
I look for the difference between signals on the separate loops. Yes, I believe these are indeed just shorted loops of wire but so are antennas of many forms. If you apply DC to them you will pop a fuse - hopefully.
In the case of the TPU those loops must be of different diameter (at least different velocity factor) because I expect signals of the same syncronized frequency - from completely separate sources - sent at opposite directions - to appear differently to one another at different points on the loop. Since the velocity factors are different the West bound wave would appear as anything from DC to a somewhat lower frequency to the Signal travelling East. (I injected one signal into the larger - lower loop Westward and the other signal into the smaller loop Eastward) The resultant inductive coupling interaction (and when these waves pass each other in the same conductor) would cause summation, cancellation, negation, heterodyne and just plain noise- all at the same time on different points of each ring.
There is no apparent 'clash' and therefore cancellation between the two signals because they are of separate sources. Except for the magic of induction one would not know the other was there.
I believe the loops are antennas or better put the larger coil is a 'Faraday pickup coil for the one dipole we all share'. The smaller loop is the 'feedback' winding as you find in regenerative receivers - collecting from and feeding back to the larger coil.

The size of the loops beeing such a small fraction of any wavelength we have considered is little matter as 'small loop antennas' are currently providing excellent service in many other fields (pun intended).

2. The attempt of gain would be secondary to gaining (no pun intended) a basic understanding of how the system functions.

3. Building an antenna or coil (either way a resonant tank) to resonate at a base frequency in the single Hertz region is almost impossible for most. As you know it is done in magnetometers but with very high gain amplifiers following. Rather than attempt that I look at the larger coil as a pickup loop instead. Of which has been built by many as small as 1/80th a wavelength. These can exhibit hi-Q but inherently become wideband at higher frequencies (coupling to smaller loop?)

For insights on how the TPU may function I look at my experience with cross-field antennas as they are at the brink of proving what I have believed for many years:
There are two separate fields generated when energy is conducted - Electro-Magnetic and Gravitational-magnetic.

Whether I am right or wrong I know Maxwell was incorrect in not using Ampere's conclusion that there is a lateral field generated upon current flow. I have repaired enough busswork and watched cables jump during a short circuit to have seen this in action and the damage it does when not considered during design.

Sorry for the apparent rant.
I tend not to provide replicable experiments unless I find something that just doesn't fit.
So far My TPU is functioning as my above beliefs but has no gain at this point.
I am using cross connected coaxial cable (Mobius) for maximum apparent length.
I consider the larger - lower coil to be my D plate and the smaller upper coil to be my E plate - to use CFA terms.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 25, 2007, 09:40:21 AM

1. I used an audio signal first because I start simple and confirm what should happen happens and expected characteristics are found before proceeding to test of theories.
In the case of the TPU those loops must be of different diameter (at least different velocity factor) because I expect signals of the same syncronized frequency - from completely separate sources - sent at opposite directions - to appear differently to one another at different points on the loop. Since the velocity factors are different the West bound wave would appear as anything from DC to a somewhat lower frequency to the Signal travelling East. (I injected one signal into the larger - lower loop Westward and the other signal into the smaller loop Eastward) The resultant inductive coupling interaction (and when these waves pass each other in the same conductor) would cause summation, cancellation, negation, heterodyne and just plain noise- all at the same time on different points of each ring.
There is no apparent 'clash' and therefore cancellation between the two signals because they are of separate sources. Except for the magic of induction one would not know the other was there.

You see, I think for the first time, I really understand what you are saying.  It is not simply sending a signal in opposing directions, as we do that now with our tap into the ECD.  But rather sending THE SAME signal from SEPARATE SOURCES.  THAT is what makes the difference!!  (smiley with bulb over it!  LOL)  That reminds me of something SM said, quoting Tesla.  And we on this forum only thought about it being true about voltage and not also the signals.

SM's words:
"In that book it is related that Tesla states that you can have all kinds of electrons flowing through a wire traveling in different directions relating only to their potential power source.
He even said that you could have different electron flows through a single wire completely separate from each other.
I tried it and he is right!"


Relating only to their potential power source, is the key!  It has to be TWO different sources providing IDENTICAL signals in opposing directions.

The question is, how to do this mechanically in a closed loop??  For in two closed loops, smaller and larger, each source would send the signal traveling in both directions around the loop, say source A around the larger loop and say source B around the smaller loop.  They would meet and oppose on all directions of the loop, but they would not clash, because following Tesla, each is related to their individual source and that is why only 1 source will not work!

If this is the correct understanding, please let me know! 

Thank you BEP!  (If you keep this up, I might be quoting you one day!  LOL)

Happy Days!
Bruce   ;)  Hearing and understanding are not always the same thing!
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 25, 2007, 04:51:43 PM
SM's words:      My words in (*BOLD)
"The multiple frequencies traveling around the coils are of too high a frequency to provide for any motive effort.
They are only a means to achieve an end.
The multiple frequencies begin to feed themselves and the multiple kicks become a combined big kick.
I call it resonating.
That is why if you notice in the video tapes that it takes just a few seconds for the coil to begin to function at maximum effort.
You see, one little kick amounts to nothing.
However imagine if you had hundreds of thousands of little kicks combining into one big current kick .

(*OPPOSING SIGNALS each from its OWN SOURCE!)

Rotation of field. . .
How many people think about that.
If you could have a field that you could think of as a big ball.
And you could rotate it in two directions what would the ramifications be?

(*OPPOSING SIGNALS each from its OWN SOURCE!)

Listen, you need to make three coils or so one on topof the other.
But the important thing is to wrap thecontrol coils perpendicularly around the collectorcoils.
There need to be three of them all the wayaround.
Start them up one at a time each.
Firstfrequency then second harmonic component into thesecond, then the third.
When you eventually strike thecord look out.
you will know what has happened at thatpoint.
In the mean time you can measure a slightoutput even if you do not strike the exact cord.

(*Each control coil has three frequencies, started up one at a time, not synchronize.  But listen, each control coil has ITS OWN SOURCE and is TAPPED into the collectors at a DIFFERENT point.  This is to give OPPOSING SIGNALS< EACH HAVING THEIR OWN SOURCE!!!

On to another point.
There is an inertia.
With the rightcombination of frequencies, you can actually create arevolving field with inertial!
That is what I havereferred to as , The inertia effect.
There is a genuine gyroscopic effect when the units are on.
Everybody has noticed that when held and in operation, the units have a definite vibration and have a gyroscopic effect.
They seam to resist being moved through the air.
When placed on a smooth surface it is very pronounced.
Some of you should think about that.

(*OPPOSING SIGNALS each from its OWN SOURCE!)

Now about the DC output with AC signal.
There is a book about Nicola Tesla "The Man who Had lightning in his hand".
I suggest that you find a copy of that book and read it.
In that book it is related that Tesla states that you can have all kinds of electrons flowing through a wire traveling in different directions relating only to their potential power source.
He even said that you could have different electron flows through a single wire completely separate from each other.
I tried it and he is right!

(*OPPOSING SIGNALS each from its OWN SOURCE!)

If you call yourself experimenters then start to experiment.
I had only this to go on when I started and little by little I figured out how to make many several thousands of kicks per second. . . AND YOU

HOW???  (*OPPOSING SIGNALS each from its OWN SOURCE!)


When I began to study the effects of multiple frequencies combined together I found out that when you deliberately strive to create the worst case scenario of frequencies you start to get some very measurable kicks.
In themselves they are not much.
But if you make enough of them fast sendoff, you get a collectible power spike that is more then the power available to begin with.

(*OPPOSING SIGNALS each from its OWN SOURCE!)

It is an insignificant power supply except when the two transformers get slightly out of phase with each other, or when they are connected in reverse of one another.
Then you can measure all kinds of things going on.
You can generate all kinds of hash and multiple frequencies, and I do mean all kinds.
What I measured during this process was very interesting.
All these frequencies occasionally met at the same time with a much larger kick at the output.

(*OPPOSING SIGNALS each from its OWN SOURCE!)

Stereo? I have a three channel system I listen to.
Sometimes the three channels combine together to create the most magnificent sound you could imagine.
A whole new sound stage opens up and suddenly you are transformed to someplace else.

(*OPPOSING SIGNALS each from its OWN SOURCE!)

That is it folks, and thank you for your time!
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: BEP on June 25, 2007, 08:41:25 PM
Why do I use two signals?
I start with 1 because zero is non-existence. The next number I look at is 4 because I believe there are four major representations of any existence (more than relativistically speaking) .
The difference is 3.  I add the difference between 1 and 4 to 4 and I get 7. Sound like the progression of a spiral or vortex to you?

Combine a 100 Hz and 400 Hz signal. The heterodynes will be 300 and 700. Combine the first two 120 degrees out of phase from each other and the 700 will be 120 out from the 400 and 270 (sorry - I meant 240) out from the 100. Once and sometimes more around they sum and do all kinds of other interesting stuff like create other frequencies as a result of the differences between them and modulate each other which creates side-bands (another fun topic) ? and the progression continues?

You can also inject the third if you want. It just means your starting point for the whole game is one step higher.

Is it really induction they have in common at that point? I doubt it. The magnetic fields of each surely exist even inside the wire. So they will interact.
Since they are travelling on the same conductor and at times, in the same space-time Maxwell and his transcriptions fall apart and Newton takes over. Dare I make more folks think I am an idiot?
The one force that doesn?t give a hoot where you are at or when you are is gravity. You can?t block it. You can?t avoid it. You are part of it. The same charge.
And Einstein could not find the Relationship?
We can?t measure it? Of course not. You take your DVM suffering from ?DVM dementia? and put both probes at the same place (space-time) on a copper buss. Do you see a voltage or anything else? No. It doesn?t matter that that buss could be carrying billions of volts. It doesn?t matter unless you step off that buss while holding those probes ;-)

Does anybody want off step off the bus?

The signals may have a common point. Just best if they are de-coupled from each other in some way. I.e. push-pull switches with isolated outputs. Or better yet tbentzer, a bi-stable latch?

Two control coils (0 and 120) only in-circle the lower coil. The third control coil (with no input from a separate circuit and at 270 ( again - it should be 240 I was thinking about locating unwanted transmitters again) ? can we say ?Moebius??) in-circles both coils. Different numbers of these coils may be used but you must adjust your math accordingly.   Who in-circles who depends upon how many main coils you have, even three or more.

The base frequencies depend upon your largest coil. I suspect its dimensions should be based upon the giant waveguide where we find the interesting signals. And No, the frequency or the Earth?s magnetic field is not 7.8 Hz ? far beyond that. That just appears to be the spherical resonance of the waveguide that is the difference between our common dynamo and the ionosphere.  Because of that. frequencies that resonate well in that waveguide tend to propagate better with lower losses.

Yes, I am convinced SM didn't know how this thing actually works. But he WAS getting there and so are we as we make mistakes, learn from them and continue.

If nothing else coils of this type make damn good pickup coils for magnetometers. If you can?t make your TPU go you may want to google HAM ULF circuits free software sound cards etc. An interesting place to start is www.ulf.it. With a sound card and a few amps you can ?tune? your TPU. You can even make your computer a spectrum analyzer with a quick download.

Have fun!
Gotta pay da bills!
Danke!
Tsus!
(Oh God! I hope I don't start dreaming in Platt again.)
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 25, 2007, 10:29:53 PM
SM's words:
We instead must deliberately tune off the frequencies of conversion
in order to make the thing properly work.
Remember that it is like a furnace which feeds itself.
The hotter it gets the more fuel it gives itself to burn.
that is why the control units are so very important.
Without the control unit constantly monitoring the frequencies of
operation and making the necessary changes to keep the whole thing off
exact conversion frequency, then the unit would very quickly destroy it's
self.



Combine a 100 Hz and 400 Hz signal. The heterodynes will be 300 and 700. Combine the first two 120 degrees out of phase from each other and the 700 will be 120 out from the 400 and 270 out from the 100. Once and sometimes more around they sum and do all kinds of other interesting stuff like create other frequencies as a result of the differences between them and modulate each other which creates side-bands (another fun topic) ? and the progression continues?

You can also inject the third if you want. It just means your starting point for the whole game is one step higher.

BEP has explained in detail, why SM said what he did, and ONE of the functions of the controller.  (The part of SM's words boldfaced.) 

Also this explains why SM, in the video used TWO SWITCHES, one that controlled the primary and one that controlled the secondary frequency.  The Third would be the intermodulation which from what I understand BEP to say would transpire within the collectors automatically. And so on, as new frequencies continue to be created, which brings us to the next SM Clue:

SM's words:
You can begin to collect the current and dissipate it with no need for amplification because the signal source also becomes the feed for the power source and has the natural tendency to run with gain.

I am starting to understand.  I see why the controller was patented.  It will be a little more difficult than some think, WHEN we reach that level, which will be as soon as someone put's in identical opposing signals from different sources and takes a measurment with a scope. 

(How to KILL a runaway self runner - quench in a nonconductive liquid.) 

BEP, enjoy Platt tonight!  LOL  And thanks!   ;)
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 26, 2007, 12:29:28 AM
My, it is just one of those days!  LOL  :)

My Theory 1.3 is here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2554.msg36958.html#msg36958

One of my researchers just sent me an article via Email.  It made me think about the control wires and what I have said about them.  I put in bold the parts I feel are key!

And most important remember the words of SM about the need for speed of our electrons and speed = energy!! 

What if the four coils we see on SM's tpu, and one or two are electromagnets and 2 or three are collectors?  Thinking out loud again. LOL

Article:
Source of Mysterious High Speed Electrons Found

2006-10-04 13:35:16

A team of scientists led by University of Maryland physics professor James Drake appear to have solved a key remaining mystery about how the interaction of magnetic fields produce the explosive releases of energy seen in solar flares, storms in the Earth's magnetosphere and many other powerful cosmic events.

In recent years, researchers have answered many questions about this process, but one thing they have been unable to explain is data from solar observing satellites indicating that up to half of the energy released during solar flares is in the form of energetic electrons. Large numbers of these low-mass particles travel at speeds far higher than can be explained by the widely accepted "slingshot" model for how reconnecting magnetic field lines accelerate charged particles.

Now, a team of scientists led by University of Maryland physics professor James Drake appears to have found the answer. In the October 5 edition of the journal Nature, Drake and his colleagues release findings showing that electrons gain speed (kinetic energy) by repeatedly reflecting, or bouncing, off of the ends of contracting `magnetic islands' that form as the magnetic field lines reconnect. The mechanism is analogous to the increase of energy a pinball gains when it bounces between multiple round bumpers. Except in this case the bumpers (magnetic islands) aren't stationary, they actually converge on the pinball (electron) causing it to gain speed with each bounce.

"Ours is the first mechanism that explains why electrons gain so much energy during magnetic reconnection," said Drake, a professor in the Department of Physics and the University of Maryland's Institute for Physical Science and Technology. "And from a practical standpoint, these new findings can help scientists to better predict which solar storms pose the greatest threat to communications and other satellites."

Drake explained that the strongest confirming evidence for the new theory was the surprising agreement between their model and data from NASA's WIND satellite. "We were as surprised as the WIND scientists when the distribution of energetic electrons seen by their spacecraft popped right out of our model. Such a match isn't something you see very often," he said.

Physicists have long been convinced that the primary mechanism for release of magnetic energy is a process called magnetic reconnection that occurs when oppositely-directed magnetic field lines come in contact. During this process, parallel magnetic field lines break and reconnect, forming back-to-back slingshots that release their energy by exploding outwards in opposite directions. Since charged particles are trapped on magnetic field lines, most of the energy in the magnetic field is converted to the kinetic energy of the ionized particles (plasma) pulled along by the expanding field lines.

However, like a rock propelled by the snapping rubber bands of a sling shot, a charged particle can gain only as much speed, or kinetic energy, as that of the moving magnetic field lines that propel it. Until now, scientists have had no convincing mechanism to explain how electrons in Earth's magnetosphere reach energies hundreds of thousands of times higher than the electron energies associated with large-scale reconnection-driven flows.

Storms from the Sun

The Earth's magnetic field forms the magnetosphere, which shields the planet, protecting it from solar storms. Solar storms are "winds" of charged particles and radiation flowing from the Sun, often as the result of violent solar eruptions of hot gas known as coronal mass ejections. Even with the protection of Earth's magnetic field, the strongest solar storms can disrupt electric power grids and disturb or damage satellite-based communications and navigation systems.

Space weather generally varies with the 11-year sunspot cycle: the more sunspots, the more storms and the more voluminous the "solar wind," as scientists call the stream of charged particles that incessantly blows off the face of the sun. In March of this year scientists with the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colorado, predicted that the next 11-year solar storm cycle should be significantly stronger than the current one, which could mean big problems for cellular phones, GPS systems and other satellite-enabled technology. According to the center, stronger solar storms could start as early as this year or as late as 2008 and should peak around 2012.


Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Grumpy on June 26, 2007, 02:21:23 AM
Link to Jacob's theory from gnOstik's site:

http://www.gn0sis.com/index.php?option=com_joomlaboard&id=1727&catid=21&func=sb_pdf
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: BEP on June 26, 2007, 02:41:36 AM
For those who do not know about modulation...
These are examples of what will be seen on a scope with a low frequency signal 'modulating' a higher frequency signal. There are many types of modulation but AM - as shown - will be one of the first seen. These are sine waves but the result is the same with any other shape.

So if you are using FETs to send a square pulse you are 'modulating' the DC power.

Baseline or zero can be anywhere so you can create 'sign waves' with two or more pulsing DC signals.

--Please note that 100% modulation is the strongest but not considered the 'clearest' signal. The clarity at 100% is difficult with solid state circuits while tube amps handled it pretty well.--
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: BEP on June 26, 2007, 05:11:02 AM
Bruce,

When you theorize about the TPU function you may wish to consider Fresnel's discoveries about circular momentum as it was proven to be caused by a rotating magnetic field. I don't recall reading that was disproven.

And on wave energy multiplication two things stick out in my mind: The three sisters phenomenon and Rogue waves. Since magnetic fields are said not to be longitudinal it shouldn't matter much.  :)

But there have been plenty of studies, by 'non-quacks' that have presented the results of experiments proving there is an additional wave of longitudinal form. It is even more prevelant in nickel over iron. Some believe it is the real producer of the Lorentz force.

Just some light reading when you have time.  ;D


And now that I think about it - You ever jumped on a trampoline?
Earth's mag field is the trampoline surface. It just sits there doing nothing until someone pounces on it. And if you keep pouncing on it at just the right interval - YOU WIND UP ON THE ROOF!
Now take all the energy you expended to pounce and add all the other little pouncers you have brought into harmony..... Don't get off time and come down when they are all comming up. You might break your neck  :)

Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 26, 2007, 07:26:23 AM
@ BEP
Rest assured my friend, when I have time, I will be looking up that reading list of yours!    ;)

@ ALL
Well I spent hours tonight experimenting and much time trying to upload these pictures.  Using the brnbrade coil I had made, we sent identical signals using different sources in opposing directions.  The coil is 24 turns primary.  1000 turns secondary over a 1/4" plastic tube.

Here are some screen shots.  Many anomalies to report.  STRONG magnetic field from the coil.
RF interference within a 3 foot radius of the coil.  We tested this with a radio.  Each gen put out dc square wave measured at 750 mv.

We saw everything turn to triangle waves at one point.

Did the same test, identical opposing signals/different sources with my genesis1 coil.  4 sets of control coils wired in series with 1 collector.  EVERY wire not wired also showed voltage, slightly lower.  STRONG induction quality. 

We did get some more work done on our ECD.  Connected all control wires and soldered.  Remaining is soldering the circuit.  Partner is very busy, so we work when he has time.

1 frequency=nada.  2 different frequencies, same direction=nada.  Please remember, no circuits were used of any kind or other source of voltage besides our function gens.

We used 35 KHz for our identical signals.
Comments are welcome about the screen shots.  Most of you know how to read waves far better than I.  LOL  :)

Forgot to say, the screen shots are all with the opposing frequencies, identical signals, different sources, on the secondary.  Primary is induction only.

Happy Days!
Bruce  :)
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 27, 2007, 03:16:35 AM
Hello All!  :)

I had more detail from last night but it was very late and the pictures from my phone gave me headaches!  So here is some more detail:

35 KHz square waves from two seperate signal gens (Kits) opposing each other.  Grounds hooked to ground of scope.  Input was into secondary of 1000 turns on 1/4" tubing.  Primary of 24 turns was not hooked to anything.  So what is seen on primary is induction only.  20 MHz dual scope, is all we had.  Not fast enough, but, oh well.

No picture:
Time Division 5us
volts showed 2.8 Square wave, clipped, with mini sinus waves between them on secondary.

Picture above:
Time Division 5us
volts showed 6.5 volt square wave with 1 volt sine waves!  Primary is now at 35mv
Why the change:  We ran the secondary end through at 90 degrees.

DC square wave from signal gens were both at 750mv.

Anomalies:
1.  No Picture:  At one point in the evening every signal on coils, both primary and secondary changed to triangle waves.  We have no idea why.

2.  For such a small amount of voltage in from our dc square waves to cause as much Radio Frequency Interference was amazing. 

3.  Magnetic field was very strong for the low voltage.

4.  Sine waves produced between square waves

5.  Sine waves produces on wire with no signal (primary) through induction

6.  When opposing identical signals were put into some of the wires of my Genesis1 coil as described in last post, induction on every single unwired wire on the Toroid. 

7.  When tuning a little off of the identical frequency, everything began to look like a 3D landscape of the waves until there was just hash.

Lastly let me say this.  SM used Three or maybe two to make the third.  He could have easily input three signals from one source in one direction and then input three Identical signals opposing.  REMEMBER, it is not just a rotating field we are looking for, it is a BIDIRECTIONAL (I think that is the right word.  LOL) rotating field.  Two rotating fields in opposite directions.  Think gyroscope, inertia, SM clues I have posted for your convenience a few posts back.

And REALLY lastly, :) something I have been thinking about today..SM said what if you  could disable the EFFECTS of the flux, this would allow the electrons to float free of the wires, they then could be accelerate according to SR (special relativity as described elsewhere on this thread and a .pdf from WaveWatcher)  Two identical opposing signals from seperate sources will not clash according to Tesla as quoted by SM, but only see their source and do not even know that the other is there EXCEPT for the magnetic field.  So with TWO identical signals opposing each other on the same wire how would this affect the flux?  Perhaps as SM says, it would "disable the effect" of the flux!

And then add 1 or 2 ac electromagnets at 7.23 Hz and play a high speed game of ping pong or trampoline as BEP gave the analogy with the floating electrons.  Any way, help me test it, and see if it is so.  1 frequency last night, one direction, nothing, just what you input.  2 frequencies, same direction, some ringing, but nothing.  Same signal/different source, something...Sine waves created, induction, RF interference, Strong Magnetic field.

Thank you for your time,
Bruce  (Happy days!  Let's Experiment!)  :)
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: giantkiller on June 27, 2007, 03:30:14 AM
So as the mag field expands the flux goes one way. We then shut off the pulse and then Bam! BEMF, the field collapses instantaneously then shoots through the Poynting vector axis point like light through a magnifiying glass and then grows into the opposite direction even bigger! Whoa bessy! Talk about fast and compressed. The flux spins downward through the Poynting vector just like water down a drain and pops out the other side of the black hole. The Universe sings with such magnitude. Has anyone ever sent someone on a trampoline?

--giantkiller. Same laws, different place. Hehe...
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 27, 2007, 05:22:47 AM
Bruce,

When you theorize about the TPU function you may wish to consider Fresnel's discoveries about circular momentum as it was proven to be caused by a rotating magnetic field. I don't recall reading that was disproven.

And on wave energy multiplication two things stick out in my mind: The three sisters phenomenon and Rogue waves. Since magnetic fields are said not to be longitudinal it shouldn't matter much.  :)

But there have been plenty of studies, by 'non-quacks' that have presented the results of experiments proving there is an additional wave of longitudinal form. It is even more prevelant in nickel over iron. Some believe it is the real producer of the Lorentz force.

Just some light reading when you have time.  ;D


And now that I think about it - You ever jumped on a trampoline?
Earth's mag field is the trampoline surface. It just sits there doing nothing until someone pounces on it. And if you keep pouncing on it at just the right interval - YOU WIND UP ON THE ROOF!
Now take all the energy you expended to pounce and add all the other little pouncers you have brought into harmony..... Don't get off time and come down when they are all comming up. You might break your neck  :)



@ BEP
HA!  You are a smart one!  LOL   I just finished reading up on the Rogue Waves.  It took me 1/2 way through the article to understand why I was reading of Rogue ocean waves!  :)  Something tells me if you and SM ever met, you both would have a heck of a discussion!  ;)

@ Everyone
Rogue Waves:  (Just a part of an article.  I will post the link)

Atypical vertical energy
Another key aspect of the project is the study of phenomena related to the formation and size of these freak waves. Using digital models, Berlin's Technical University carried out a study of the physics of giant waves. Our knowledge of their origin ? and atypical behaviour ? is much more detailed today. While all 'traditional' waves build over four or five days before melting or breaking on the coastline, the 'maxi? waves concentrate a vertical energy. One possible explanation is that 'young' waves quickly reproduce and build, their height becoming the sum of these and other waves whose path they cross. This dynamic, confirmed by modelling, has been simulated in test basins and shows that the interaction between a number of waves which meet and cross can engender a new and abnormal wave.

http://ec.europa.eu/research/rtdinfo/42/article_1308_en.html

Information snippet on the "Three sisters Phenomona"  (Think SM's three Frequencies opposed signal interaction!)
The area of Lake Superior where the Fitzgerald went down is famous for the "Three Sisters." This is a 3-wave phenomenon apparently the result of reflected energy from the Michigan shoreline. The first sister is a wave about double the size of the storm waves. Each sister is progressively larger with the third wave the killer.


Our last study question of the night.  Longitudinal-waves given off through an oscillating electromagnet.  The last paragraph I am not to sure of (LOL at least not all of it!)  Perhaps others will experiment in the weeks ahead by trying out an AC electromagnet on their ECD's and coils.  ;)  GK gave a great post that shows this at a link, visually.  I can't remember which thread!?

http://montalk.net/notes/longitudinal-waves

Happy Days!
Bruce  :)
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: duff on June 27, 2007, 07:28:27 AM
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Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Motorcoach1 on June 27, 2007, 07:40:18 AM
@Duff --anstrom pull effect  russians have it down pat
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 27, 2007, 08:02:35 AM
As part of the MaxWave project, a team at the Technical University of Berlin worked on simulating their production. Their work guided by computer modelling, the team found rogue waves appear to be formed when slow-moving waves are caught up by a succession of faster waves moving at more than twice their speed, then merge together.

http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEMOKQL26WD_index_1.html#subhead5 (http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEMOKQL26WD_index_1.html#subhead5)

The above is probably the reason SM did not sync his signals!  Thank you Duff.

SM's Words:
Listen, you need to make three coils or so one on topof the other.
But the important thing is to wrap thecontrol coils perpendicularly around the collectorcoils.
There need to be three of them all the wayaround.
Start them up one at a time each.
Firstfrequency then second harmonic component into thesecond, then the third.
When you eventually strike thecord look out.

you will know what has happened at thatpoint.
In the mean time you can measure a slightoutput even if you do not strike the exact cord.


Chord = three frequencies.  First, then second harmonic COMPONENT, then the third.  Three Waves = Rogue Wave  (Three Sisters)

Notice that only one frequency is placed into each of the of the control coils, and started with the smallest wave, and then the next larger and then the third which is the largest.  And when it overtakes the others, Spike.  ;)
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: duff on June 27, 2007, 04:03:44 PM
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Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: MrMag on June 27, 2007, 05:19:26 PM
Bruce,

Reading your last post, Where SM said, "Listen, you need to make three coils or so one on top of the other.
But the important thing is to wrap the control coils perpendicularly around the collector coils.
There need to be three of them all the way around."
sort of turned on a light. I am not sure who it was or where abouts but someone (probably Roberto or Otto) ran a second secondary on there coils. Could this be what SM is talking about in this statement? Instead of three or four separate coils on the collector maybe we need one coil with three windings?

I got a golf tournament to go to now, but when I get back I am going to give it a try.

Tim
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 27, 2007, 06:11:57 PM
Bruce,

Reading your last post, Where SM said, "Listen, you need to make three coils or so one on top of the other.
But the important thing is to wrap the control coils perpendicularly around the collector coils.
There need to be three of them all the way around."
sort of turned on a light. I am not sure who it was or where abouts but someone (probably Roberto or Otto) ran a second secondary on there coils. Could this be what SM is talking about in this statement? Instead of three or four separate coils on the collector maybe we need one coil with three windings?

Tim

Hummmm....

Very good observation, Tim...And You are close. 

It is Otto who added a third wire to the controls, giving it another secondary.  It works through induction, this is how we tap into the power.  Our finished TPU will have ZERO (ground out) and then this third secondary for induction out, (there will be three such wires, one from each of the three coils.  These can then be wired in series, in parallel or both as SM stated.)  (his suggested mechanics are different from ours for the time being, but more on that another day!)

The opened faced TPU had four coils.  Three were for signals in and induction out.  The fourth was an AC electromagnet.

Our TPU is almost done.  (HA!  Some of you will laugh at this statement, but it is true!)  All that is needed is to add the one ac electromagnet at 7.23 Hz close to the ZERO of the TPU.  This will bring cancellation and the slap of reconnection and squirt the loosened from its flux particles, at near the speed of light in ONE DIRECTION, this is called DC voltage and will bring overunity.  This is WHY SM's TPU produced DC.  (We still need also, once this is done to find the correct "Chord" of three frequencies.
IT SOLVES!

Happy Days!  :)
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Dansway on June 28, 2007, 01:32:06 AM
@MrMag,

I think you're right:

"Listen, you need to make three coils or so one on top of the other.
But the important thing is to wrap the control coils perpendicularly around the collector coils.
There need to be three of them all the way around."


Also, if you had 3 levels of control coils wrapped on top of each other with 3 freq on each, that would line up very well with what SM said in his emails to Mannix.

~Dan
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 29, 2007, 07:02:58 AM
Hello All,

Tonight I am trying to wrap my mind around the three frequencies.  I want to first list what we do know and then what we do not know and need to experiment with.

SM's Words:
"Start them up one at a time each.
First frequency then second harmonic component into the second, then the third.
When you eventually strike the cord look out.
you will know what has happened at thatpoint.
In the mean time you can measure a slight output even if you do not strike the exact cord."

Where we are today is "measuring a slight output, even if you do not strike the exact chord."  So what is the EXACT Chord?  Let's investigate.

What we know:
1.  The EXACT chord will be three.  Not two, not one, not 4, but simply three frequencies.

2.  The first frequency component, let us call this the "primary" frequency for the other two are built off of this.  I like "primary" also because if you recall watch SM with the 15" TPU on the vid, switched two switches.  Calling the first primary and the next switch the "secondary".  Hmm...where was the third?  I have a theory on this.

3.  The second frequency is the "second harmonic component".  This is a double of the first.  Not a subtraction, not a little less than, but a second multiple.  Example: If primary Frequency is 2, then the second harmonic component is 4.  Not anything else.

4.  Now for that funny third frequency.  Funny because it is (a.) not clear or (b.)  So clear as to be obviouse that no more was said.  We will venture down both corridors for a moment and experiments can be done with both.

The third frequency will be one of the following:
Choice 1.)  Intermodulation - Either the +/- of the primary and second harmonic.  Now this may occur naturally in the ECD-TPU coils but that is not to say that it can not also be input into the third set of control coils.

Choice 1a.)  If 35.705 KHz or 250 KHz(both of the SM frequencies given exact to us, meaning it was not an accident but a major help to us) then this was given as the primary frequency but it could be experimented using a little math as a second harmonic and even an intermodulation.
pf 1 = 35.705 KHz
pf 2 = 71.41 KHz
pf 3 = 107.12 KHz  Please take note that this intermodulation is also known as the third harmonic of the first.  So, to solve we would put first harmonic on first coil, second harmonic on the second and then the third harmonic on the third.

Third harmonic/intermodulation Solves!  So the correct ratio would be 1-2-3 / odd -even -odd

Now, for another SM clue about our discussion:
"Any deviation from the original signal or addition to , Harmonic and intermodulation is not good for stereo enjoyment, you know...
Stereo? I have a three channel system I listen to."
Sometimes the three channels combine together to create the most magnificent sound you could imagine.
A whole new sound stage opens up and suddenly you are transformed to someplace else."

Ok, what have we got here. 
1.  original signal = pf1 or primary frequency
2.  adding any ADDITION other than Harmonic = Second harmonic component AND intermodulation = Third harmonic of the primary frequency "is not good"

Please understand, THIS FORMULA of 1-2-3 is the EXACT CHORD.  Please experiment with how SM said it would work.  because he said:

"It took several years of experimentation to
discover what frequencies"

So please let us not recreate the wheel.

I also talked several posts back about identical signals/different sources opposing each other (and no they do not cancel.  For more info please see posts about that subject)
and the many clues I believe it solves. 

Now, while we are on this subject of frequencies, let us talk about the "type" of signal we want.  SM gives us several clues about this as well:

"Gee, why not just build a tube amp to begin with.
Less distortion and little need for feedback overdose.
Much faster all around."

No I am not going to harp on the solid state guys about this.  (though I wish someone used tubes on the ECD to test)

Rather, let's talk about the signal given by a tube.
1.  For one thing, the square wave is rounded on both tops slightly. 
2.  "Less distortion"  Distortion is an enemy of the TPU.  Feedback is an enemy of the TPU.  So what we need in our controllers, is a rounded (like a tube output) square wave and as close to <1% distortion or harmonics on the signal.  We want overunity, well these are a few thing that will have to be done with the controller.

And you know what?  We have the men on this forum to do just that.  PLEASE let us pay attention to these little details.  In reality they will turn out to be very large details.

SM clue about the signals:
"MOSFETS are better you know if you wanted to make an amplifier that behaved as though it was a tube amp but in a smaller size."

So you see from number 1 and 2 some things that need to be incorporated into the controller.

Those three frequencies need to be as crystal clear as possible.  Pure.  If you want real power. 

And now for the last part of our discussion of the frequencies tonight:
SM's Words:
"My units behave as though they are variable tuning devices, and we are tuning them to a frequency just like a radio.
(From this we see that the collectors are "tuned" to resonate at a particular frequency)
The closer you get to the center frequency the more power you permit the collector to dissipate into a load.
(The center frequency is talking about one of two things.)
the important difference here is that in the case of the radio, you tune into the frequency and amplify it for use.
In the case of my power unit, you create several frequencies within a space of the collector coil's circumference.
The frequencies are directly related to the circumference of the collector coil.
You can begin to collect the current and dissipate it with no need for amplification because the signal source also becomes the feed for the power source and has the natural tendency to run with gain.
It is important that you note that you can never tune too closely to the exact frequencies of power conversion because the power received by the collector will instantly destroy it.
We instead must deliberately tune off the frequencies of conversion in order to make the thing properly work.

Now, what is this "Center frequency" he warned us about.  It could be:
1.  7.8 hz Shummans Resonance (This could be why he used 7.23 hz and tuned his 6" to that.)  (Light bulb in my brain- perhaps if the coil were made to resonate at that, then the earth's magnetic field would indeed interact with all of those frequencies within the collectors and might also make the thing vibrate.  We need to bring the resonance of the collectors down to 7.23 hz.  Tune them to that using?  Cap and resistor someone once said??  Would this not also explain why it will not work upside down, think direction of spin of hurricanes and toilets in this hemisphere caused the the earth's magnetic field.  MY dear Watson, I think I have it!!)

2.  It could be the geometric frequency from the bandwidth he have us of 35.705 KHz and 250 KHz.  The center frequency would be 94.478 KHz if this statement is true.

Alot here, but I hope it helps to steer us in the right direction.  Also thank you to all those who PM me, saying how much they appreciate me taking the effort to work the SM clues.

I think number 1 above solves.  It still might need that electromagnet at 7.23 hz also, but the collectors are tuned to that either way and experiments in this direction should be conducted immediatly.  Any one knowing the electronic component means to change the resonance of a coil should post it at once, to help others of us out.

Thank you as alway for your time, I hope that it has been fruitful.  It has for my understanding.

Happy Days! :)
Bruce

 

Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: EMdevices on June 29, 2007, 04:52:51 PM
Ok, I'm going to jump in this discussion.

To get 7.3 Hz,   you mix  TWO frequencies that are off by 7.3 Hz.   You don't mix harmonics like 1, 4, 7, etc...

This is basic mixer stuff, that radios/TV/Cell phones, you name it,   have been using and use.

When two signals are mixed, you get their product and sum (or some other IP3 products depending on the type of mixer, but double balanced mixers work great).

For example if you mix   f1 = 100 kHz,  f2 = 105kHz,  you get F3 = |f1-f2| = 5 kHz, and F4 = |f1+f2| = 205 kHz

Usualy one of these output frequencies, called a mirror frequency is filtered out. 

So this Mixer opperation in essence can SHIFT a frequency Up or Down in spectrum.

To transmit voice, you move the BASE BAND signal  (audio)  up to the Carrier frequency, etc..


Now, I'm hearing a separate discussion about harmonics of a signal.  SM is saying to enter these frequencies, and by the way the video mentions TWO not three.

Is this some sort of addition of waves to produce a "rogue" wave ?   It could very well be.

I personaly like both concepts because:

1) mixing implies we're receiving a natural frequency that exists and has POWER.

2) harmonic addition to create some huge pulse, since it has theoretical possibilities for OU.  

This second concept is also the basis for resonance in a way, but maybe in a CIRCULAR ring, it becomes a much more special RESONACE, one that could pack more POWER through addition of power, not just voltage at the expense of current, etc..

EM
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: EMdevices on June 29, 2007, 06:10:21 PM
Bruce, I see you've been experimenting  :)

I included one of your scope shots and circled what Otto has been calling the SEED.

The two spikes, I assume are the points where the MOSFETS turn OFF,  and the magnetic field collapses to release its energy. 

Then we see maybe some ringing after the spikes, etc..

But why do these SEEDS occur in the MIDDLE of the scope shots?


I have seen them myself, in lots of configurations and resonant systems.

With my Blocking Oscillator, I can vary the frequency with a magnet and I can combine these SEEDs with the pulses, etc..

I'm not sure they are all that SPECIAL, but I can not quite explain them yet, besides saying that:

1) maybe they are an instability which takes time to develop.

2) some sort of phase missalighment

3) perhaps instability in the MOSFETS/Transistors, interacting with the resonant system.

They occur in so many instances that I tend to belive they are nothing special, but maybe they have been overlooked, who knows.

EM

Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 29, 2007, 07:02:52 PM
@ EM

Please reread my experiment. :)  There was NO mosfets, or controls of any kind.  Simply testing the theory of two gens sending IDENTICAL signals, opposing directions on the same wire.

That screen shot you posted was on the primary, that picked up the signal through induction.  It was not wired to anything.  Pretty facinating I thought.

Happy, Happy Days!  :)

@ Everyone
As I have been stating I believe the unit was "tuned" to 7.3 Hz to "pick up" like a magnetometer the waves of the earths magnetic field.  This interacts with what is going on in the collectors with the frequencies.  Tonight I will list all of the earth's magnetic field clues and go through them one at a time.  I think also that I have found a .pdf to help with this.  If you are good at math, after reading this, please post suggestions of how this can be implemented to the collectors. 

I think page 7 and 13 is of particular interest.
Also remember that changes in the direction of the Earth's magnetic field are known to occur gradually over the course of minutes, not rapidly over a few seconds. 

The Induction Coil Magnetometer and air core loop antenna are of special interest.

Thank you for your time,
Bruce



Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: EMdevices on June 29, 2007, 07:20:38 PM
Bruce, there are MOSFETS or some other transistor inside the square wave GENERATOR you guys used.

Also, are you saying you hooked up two of the coils sets, at the opposite ends of the plastic tube?  I see only one in the picture.

The resonance most likely is not influenced by the far end coil sets, but by the primary and secondary of each "coil" set.

You can resonate an ordinary coil just by itself, as you probably know.  All coils have some inductance and ,some capacitance, and will resonante at the right frequency.  You could be seeing that I belive.

Now, if you want to see a clash of waves, from two oposite sides, or to see if they "clash" in any way,  why don't you make a simple pickup coil and move it along side the plastic tube and see if you pick up anything THAT VARIES WITH LOCATION.

I do that with my TESLA coil and I see a POSITION DEPENDENT MAGNITUDE CHANGE.

This is when you know you are dealing with STANDING WAVES, versus simple RESONANCE.

Hope that helps.

EM
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 29, 2007, 07:45:45 PM
Hey EM,

Think of the coil I wrapped as a transformer.  24 turns primary, 1000 turns secondary.

Nothing hooked to the two leads of the primary.  Just scoped it for that shot. 

1 signal generator set to 35.705 KHz (as close to that as we could ;) )  The other signal generator set identical.  One hooked to one lead on one end of the secondary to one gen and other gen to other lead of the secondary.  Opposing signals, same source clash.  Opposing signals/different sources do not clash, according to Tesla and SM's quote of Tesla.  I have all of that posted in great detail several posts above. 

One frequency, nothing.  No change in signal.  Two, just hash.  BUT two IDENTICAL signals/DIFFERENT sources...well you can see.

Also read Sugra's posts for further reference.  Also Sunday, another post will be made of a similar experiment with even much better results by someone else.

Happy, Happy days!  :)
Bruce

Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: EMdevices on June 29, 2007, 07:53:55 PM
Oh I see what you are doing Bruce.

Two generators and you use only the signal leads,  NOT THE GROUND ones.   

Do you just leave the ground leads hanging then?

Ok, so your primary is wraped over the 1000 turn secondary WHICH YOU ENERGIZE from both sides like you said.

Then this is like a TESLA coil in a way, except you're energizing the secondary coil instead of the primary, and your energizing with two sources instead of one.   Interesting.

Let us know what you achive.

EM

Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 29, 2007, 07:59:01 PM
@ EM

Correct.  No ground.  all grounds hook to ground of the scope.

Thanks,

Bruce :)
Title: Let's get some simple facts of physics straight
Post by: Earl on June 29, 2007, 08:12:19 PM
Subj.:  Let's get some simple facts of physics straight

Hi All,

1)  Mixing of two frequencies is not the same as adding them. 

Mixing implies an obligatory non-linear element.  This element creates sum and difference frequencies not present when linear elements are used.

Sending frequencies into pieces of wires is a linear operation, it is **NOT** mixing.
Unless you have an iron core with high levels of flux.  But supposedly there is no ferric core.

It only makes sense to talk about mixing when using
sine waves and
non-linear elements

It makes little sense to talk about mixing when using square waves.

When talking square waves, you talk pulse repetition rate, pulse width, phase, rise time, etc.

It is not clear to me what SM's remark about a pure frequency really means.  It is open to interpretation.


2)  In my opinion, talk about resonance at 7.3 Hz makes no sense.

From http://www.qsl.net/kd4sai/antencal.html
and using a frequency of 0.0000073 MHz, the fullwave TPU would need a circumfrence of
128219178 feet fullwave = 24284 miles = 39081 km

The probability that the TPU has anything to do with 7.3 Hz resonance approaches zero.
Forget 7.3 Hz resonance.

Regards, Earl
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 29, 2007, 08:24:31 PM
@ Earl

I agree on the mixing of signals part.  That is why the third harmonic has to be entered into the third set of controls. 

With all respect, but I strongly disagree on the 7.3 Hz  I also understand the math you have quoted, but did you know that a Magnetometer coil can be made to resonate at that VLF.  I believe that all of SM's clues about Tesla and the Magnetometer and the earths weak magnetic field.  Not to mention the other Eleven times SM mentioned the Earth's magnetic field.  Not to mention SM saying on the video that the 6" unit vibrates 7.3 times a second (His words not mine.)  This did not happen by accident or as the result of high frequencies in the collectors, suddenly the TPU starts vibrating at 7.3 Hz.  My first TPU I wound vibrated.  I know what if feels like.  Howbeit vibrated at 60 Hz.  Also about 1/3 of the tuning clues.  As to this date we have tuned nothing.  Also if you go to youtube and do a search of marco's dancing magnets you will see what I am talking about.  But NOT 7.8 Hz.  I am very confident that THIS is the "frequency of power" one must "tune" away from.  Either the unit is tuned, or there is an AC electromagnet at 7.3 Hz, or both.  I will bet you a steak dinner!  LOL  :)


Warm regards,
Bruce  :)
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: EMdevices on June 29, 2007, 08:41:10 PM
Thank you Earl and Bruce, but do you guys realize something?

AUDIO WAVES my friends !!!!

That's right,  you can have a resonance at 7.3 Hz, NOT ELECTROMAGNETIC, BUT ACOUSTIC.

Sometimes we don't listed to what SM is saying,  you don't mention VIBRATION and assume OSCILLATION as in electrical oscillations.   He said VIBRATIONS, " ... this thing has a slight vibration..." etc..

For an EM wave, forget it, you can't get 7.3 Hz resonance in the space of your house, let along a hand held device.   (you would need a capacitor and inductor on the order of 1 Farad and 1 Henry, good luck finding a 1 Henry Inductor  :)  )

EM

Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: EMdevices on June 29, 2007, 08:44:45 PM
Take a look at this picture,  Alfven waves, but its the same principle as a VIBRATING STRING IN A MAGNETIC FIELD (or conductor),   .................  a "KICK"  ................... according to SM.

These interactions which make the Alfven waves possible, are the same thing that make a quitar pickup coil work.  The same physics.   So,   THIS IS THE LINK BETWEEN ACOUSTIC AND ELECTROMAGNETIC.   Now incorporate that into your oscillators !!!
EM
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: dutchy1966 on June 29, 2007, 08:53:18 PM
Bruce,

So, if I understand you right, you think 7.8 hz is the exact conversion frequency?? That is why you want to stay away from it.
As we look to what sm says, he wants us to believe that exact conversion frequency the tpu will blow up, get fried, hit by lightning or got knows what might happen.....
Now tell me why 7.8 hz would do that? As we look to the frequency spectrum for the schumann resonance only has a fraction more amplitude then 7.3 Hz. This would mean that 7.8 hz doesn't make the difference between normal tpu operation and a hazardous condition.

Here is a phrase from SM:

33.   How it IS POSSIBLE  to use what appears to be a weak magnetic force to generate large usable amounts of power.  

If you call 7.3 Hz a weak magnetic field then 7.8 hz will also still be a weak magnetic field!

Does your theory explain why it stops when turned upside down?
Does your theory explain why it works in reverse south of the equator?

Think! What is different south of the equator ???

regards,

Robert
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: joe dirt on June 29, 2007, 09:02:41 PM
Hey bruce

This guy uses 7.8 hz and claims some interesting things...

http://www.zephyrtechnology.com/The_ELF_Generator/body_the_elf_generator.html

I wonder if we can use the tpu to achieve the same results ;D
 (all in good fun! no disrespect, I like the pdf document thanks man :)  )

@EM infrasound is an area I,ve been looking into also, nice post!

Dirt
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: dutchy1966 on June 29, 2007, 09:03:10 PM
EM!

Right on! THAT is where the lightning phrase from SM ties in! Now the only problem is, doing this in the earths magnetic field will not bring you much power.
BUT this fits exactly the missing bit of my research which i have kept for myself sofar!

I'll put it out here now. Now imagine the vibrating inside the tpu after reading this...
Here is my, not yet complete theory:

TPU Operating principle proposal



For a year and a half I have been following and participating in discussions about the TPU. Dozens of theories and proposals have been published since then. Still there is no satisfying explanation that fits the statements of SM well enough to justify it being the operating principle of the TPU.

What follows is a proposal for the operating principles of the TPU. At this moment this document only adresses WHAT the tpu has to do to function, not HOW these steps are accomplished.

The theory is build around a number of, in my opinion, crucial characteristics of the tpu.


Characteristics:

1. The center of the tpu is free of interfering magnetic fields. (the control circuit is placed there)
2. The TPU stops functioning when turned upside down
3. South of the equator it works in reverse
4. There is a ?turbine? effect when starting up and shutting down
5. SM is convinced that the earth?s magnetic field is the source of the power.

After thinking about those characteristics for quite a while I came to the conclusion that, as far as I can see, there is only one solution that satisfies those 5 characteristics.
_________________________________________________________________

Magnetic vortex generator that uses the coriolis effect to
redirect and concentrate earth?s magnetic field lines into  the TPU
_________________________________________________________________

Explanation:

The tpu sets up extremely high speed magnetic vortex. When the vortex is in place it intercept the earth's magnetic flux lines while the earth rotates. While magnetic flux lines don't cross the earths flux lines get trapped in the vortex and start to spiral through the vortex. Because the vortex gets narrower and narrower the earth's trapped flux lines get concentrated into a narrow beam. This concentrated flux beam gives the tpu the possibility to tap so much energy from the earths magnetic field!!



Does this theory comply with common scientific principles?

Well that is the question that still has to stand the test of time.....
But one of the issues I have tried to address already.

For the principle to work it is necessary to intercept earths flux lines. This then requires relative movement between the earths magnetic field and the tpu sitting on the earth. The question that now arises: does the earths magnetic field rotate with the earth?

This question is not a simple one, and has in the past confused quite a few people.

The accepted scientific view is that the Earth's magnetic field rotates (nearly) synchronously with the Earth. This would be bad news for the here proposed theory, so lets have a closer look:

We are referring to the axially symmetric parts of the field. The observed field also has many irregularities, and these certainly rotate with the Earth. For instance, the north magnetic pole (and the south one, too) is separated by something like 1000 kilometers from the geographic pole, the pole around which the Earth rotates. And indeed, the magnetic pole rotates every day a full 360? around the geographic one. What we need to look at here is something else: a symmetric field rotating around it's axis of symmetry.
If you have a source of magnetic field in empty space--iron magnet, coil--and you rotate it around an axis of symmetry, there is no extra effect, and therefore, nearby objects will not feel any force to make them share the rotation.
For instance, if you have a bar magnet and twirl it around its length, around the line connecting the poles, you get no observable change. At any point in the surrounding space, the magnetic force sensed (say, by a compass needle) is not changed by the rotation.
All that is true in empty space. And to a very good approximation, it also holds if the space contains substances which do not conduct electric currents--air, wood, paper, glass etc. In all these cases, just having the source of magnetism rotate has no measurable effect.
But if space is filled with a substance which can conduct electricity, and the rotating magnet also conducts electricity, the situation is different. Under certain conditions, electric currents may then be produced, and in that case, two effects are added:
First electric currents are SOURCES of magnetic fields, and therefore the magnetic field may be modified.
Secondly--more important here--magnetic fields exert a FORCE on the carrier of electric current, and in this case, in general, that force tends to make it share the rotation.
Space around Earth--except for the lower atmosphere--does conduct electricity. In the ionosphere--say 120 kilometers up (70 miles) and higher, sunlight rips off electrons from atoms, creating a "plasma," a mixture of free floating electrons and positive ions (left-over atoms, which miss an electron or more), and a plasma conducts electricity. If a free electron collides with an ion, the two may recombine again--but densities are so low that in most regions recombination does not catch up with "ionization" (the break up of atoms), even during the night, when the ripping-off of electrons stops. Also, higher up in space additional sources of plasma exist, e.g the "solar wind" blowing from the Sun.
Such magnetic forces try to make the plasma "co-rotate" with the Earth. Their effect turns out to be the same as would occur, if magnetic field lines which thread the plasma are viewed as attached to it. Then everything--Earth, plasma and field lines attached to it--rotate together. Once more--be aware that this only happens when space is filled with a good conductor of electricity. Without electric conductivity, the magnetic field does not transmit rotation.

Conclusion:
In the lower atmosphere the magnetic field does not rotate with the earth !!
Basically the tpu is cutting through the earths magnetic field with the rotational speed of the earth.

How fast are we actually going?

It's common knowledge that the earths rotates around it's axis in 24 hours. Also we know the earths circumference at the equator is +/- 40000 km
40000 km per 24 hours at the equator
per hour 40000 / 24 = 1667 km/h = 1667000 m/h
1667000 m/h / 3600 s = 463 meters per second

If we now look at a picture of the earth, for easier understanding, we can say that we are standing still and the magnetic field flies by at 463 m/s.
Seeing as we're not all sitting on the equator this speed wil be less when going north or south. But as we go further away from the equator the earths field lines get denser and thus we can say that we are still cutting the same number of flux lines in any time period.



Is there confirmation of this theory?

Absolutely! Here are some phrases from Steven Mark in direct response to the Carl Hurst letter:


Carl is absolutely correct about most everything in his letter. There are exact points of interest  9 and 13.
Yes we are definitely spinning the field at an unbelievable high rate.
Also, #17, YES

Here is what Carl wrote in the mentioned points:


9: Now to the question of the little pieces of wire and the magnet. I don?t remember anyone answering this to your or Mr.Mark?s satisfaction.
Let me have a go.
When you move a magnet across a wire you generate a current in that wire.
However, what was not iterated is that the strength of the magnet, but rather the SPEED and distance at which the magnet is moved across the wire.
Thus when we speak of moving the magnet a small piece of wire at the speed of a gunshot,  you generate a very sudden, high voltage spike in that little piece of wire. Conversely, if you could move that wire crossways through even a weak magnetic field with few flux lines, you could generate a voltage spike.
In essence Mark is doing this in his toroid.
He states he is running at about 5kHz.
For four coils (like the one that is open on the cardboard box in his garage with two lamps), he may be banging two opposed coils simultaneously with spikes,, with the magnet forcing one direction, for the sequentially.
For the sequential version, that would mean the ?magnetic flux North? (for the lack of a better way to describe it) passes one spot in the toroid 1250 times per second.
The RPM of the flux would therefore be AT LEAST 75,000RPM.
Can you imagine the kind of power you might generate from Neo magnets in an armature near windings if you COULD rev that puppy up to 75,000RPM?
Only this toroid has no back EMF when a load is put on the wires.


13: When we look at the earth?s magnetic field, there are some weird things to look at.
Does a high-speed rotational flux field draw or lense or concentrate flux lines into a Mark device?
Maybe that is exactly what it does.
This simply ADDS more density to the field.
However, something else strikes me more simply.
Mark has set up his terrific sequential pulsed magnetic field with a small battery (who cares if there is a battery ? that point is moot when you look at the power out) which rotates nearly twice as fast as the bullet from a high powered rifle.
It creates enormous numbers of flux lines crossing wires per second.
That is the key and it takes very little power.
Once power is established, one could take a tiny amount from the output and run the circuit, so again the battery is moot.
The main thing is the device?s strange reaction to physical movement.
I attribute this to the ENORMOUS impact of the speed at which the magnetic flux moves.
 

17: The imploding television story is very interesting.
Could Mark?s device be close to tapping into or creating such a powerful magnetic vortex?
Has he seen any evidence of magnetic attraction of any objects in or near the toroids?




In these points is confirmed:

There is a very high speed rotating field
It uses a powerful magnetic vortex
It draws flux lines from the earths magnetic field into the tpu


Regards

Robert

Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: giantkiller on June 29, 2007, 09:16:30 PM
Also, !!!!!!!!!
If the 2 sources are not synched you have a difference that produces an intense cancellation. That is a phenominally sharp rise or fall time in a very short, really short pulse width. And without the grounds connected there will be drift.
What I have not seen in Overunity.com is the rise, on, and fall time comparisons on the effect of copper. This was covered in the doco labeled 'Overunity in Copper'.
http://magnetism.fateback.com/Overunity.htm (http://magnetism.fateback.com/Overunity.htm)
If the pulse shoots up then is on a minimal amount of time then is pulled down. Where are the elemental or physical properties of the atomic properties of copper when the power is differentiated faster than the residual artifacts have time to settle into there new positions? Sounds like a bull whip cracking to me.

You have all the external fields pertaining to each vector of the Poynting vectors all collapsing to and through the center point at light speed. I say light speed because the field/ atomic pressure is building up dynamically and then releasing. Tap it on the downward fall of the collapse and you have Overunity on the other side of the vector point. No different than pushing bath water. The rogue wave will go over the edge. You just pushed 50 gallons of water uphill with your finger tips.

If my guitar and sound processor can measure a 2 foot ball around a 4" toroidal ring what do you think the compressional mayhem signature is in the center whether bucking or centrifical?
Do not stick your hand in the ring!

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: EMdevices on June 29, 2007, 09:55:25 PM
Quote
1. The center of the tpu is free of interfering magnetic fields. (the control circuit is placed there)

SM said so in one of his letters,  but it contradicts the video, where he places a current probe inside.

Makes me wonder if "SM" is realy SM   :)

EM
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: EMdevices on June 29, 2007, 10:20:28 PM
Take a look: 

What if the mag field "B" fluctuates at F1, which happens to be the resonant frequency of the string?

What if you put that into a resonant tank tuned to F1?

Think about that.  With VIBRATIONS, we can reach into the lower spectrum !!!

EM
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: EMdevices on June 29, 2007, 10:30:37 PM
Assume the position of the string is given by:

P = A *  sin(2*pi*f *t)

What is the velocity of the string?

v = dP/dt = 2*pi*f*A*cos(2*pi*f*t)

Notice the [2*pi*f] factor that has come out of the sine.  This can be huge at large vibrational frequencies  (kilohertz, megahertz).   The 'A' factor is the amplitude of vibration, could be a milimeter.

The important point here is the VELOCITY of high frequency vibrations, which in a magnetic field produce a LARGE voltage by the Lorentz law  E = v x B.

EM
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: CTG Labs on June 29, 2007, 10:30:52 PM
Rob,

If the earths field does not rotate with the earth, why then we cannot just stick a coil in the air and the earths magnetic field will "cut" the wire for us.  In this case, why all electric equipment doesnt get burnt out and all metalic objects on earth become electrified by continually inductions from a field passing at many hundred meters per second?



Regards,

Dave.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: EMdevices on June 29, 2007, 10:38:59 PM
Oh Oh, you're in trouble Rob   Ha  Ha   :D

Dave,  do you realize that with this Vibrational string, we FIND THE POTENTIAL!

EM
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: dutchy1966 on June 29, 2007, 11:11:30 PM
Read this, at the end it will exactly tell you why....

THE ROTATION OF MAGNETIC FIELD

 

The question I asked and searched for an answer is: Does the Earth's magnetic field rotate with the planet?

 

Many of you will say, of course it does. But beware, before you make quick conclusions. Some findings and facts explained on this site may be new to you. So come along with me in finding an answer to this simple question.

 

In 1832 famous scientist Michael Faraday performed some very interesting experiments with magnets and conducting disks. Since then in most schools teachers speak of these important experiments, which started the modern era of electricity, communication and Internet. Without Faraday's discovery of electromagnetic induction, none of this would be here now.

But! It took me years before I realised, that teachers in school did tell me but just a fragment of truth about this experiments. Why?

There is one experiment that Michael performed that puzzled him and everyone in scientific community since then. It is even today called Faraday's paradox. And teachers do avoid this subject, if they know about it, for it is rather puzzling to explain.

What am I talking about?

Let us repeat those Faraday's experiments. Since seeing is believing I suggest you do the experiments yourself. It is very easy. And takes just simple materials and instruments as permanent magnet, metallic disk, and voltmeter, drilling machine. A nylon string, glue, stick, and some adhesive tape. 

 

Let us do the experiments.

We are all very familiar with the fact that a voltage is induced in conductor moving in magnetic field.

There are three experiments need to be done at first step.

 

Experiment
Take a permanent magnet and put it on table. Than take a metallic disk. Any conducting disk is fine. Attached this disk to some sort of rotating mechanism. You will need some sort of axes thru the centre of disk. I usually do this by attaching a metallic disk to some stick or short round bar with the glue. With for the glue to dry. Then put one end of the bar or stick in drilling machine. Now, you can rotate the disk around its axis.
Put the disk over the magnet, so that the axis of magnetic field of permanent magnet and the axis of rotation of disk coincide.
Rotate the disk over the magnet and measure the voltage between the rim and the axis of the disk. Induced voltage will be detected.
Experiment
Now you have to reverse rotating object. In this experiment you will have to rotate the magnet and have the disk stationary. Prepare the magnet as you did prepare the disk in experiment 1. Then put the magnet over disk so that the axis of magnetic field of permanent magnet and the axis of disk coincide. Now rotate the disk.
One would expect that the induced voltage would be measured. Yet it is not so. No voltage is induced in the disk. Even that you apparently have a relative motion between the magnetic field and the conductive disk.
Experiment
Let us make third and last experiment. Glue together magnet and conductive disk. Of course the axis have to coincide. And rotate them both. An induced voltage is measured between rim of the disc and it's axis. Yet there is no relative motion between magnet and the disk.
 

These three experiments performed by Michael Faraday were puzzling. Why?


There are two possible explanations of the phenomena. We know that if we have a relative motion between the conductor and magnetic field, voltage is induced in conductor. But these three experiments suggest something different. So we have two possible explanations. Keep in mind that we have actually three elements in these experiments. And we have to take in consideration relative motion between all three elements. Yet we have three experiments with three observed facts. So a definitive conclusion cannot be made.

 

First possible explanation is that in exp1 voltage is induced in disk, while we do not have relative motion between voltmeter and magnet. In exp2 voltage is not induced in disk and voltmeter. Yet both voltages are of same sign so the voltage difference cannot be measured. And in exp3 voltage is induced in voltmeter, because it has relative motion to magnet, while disk does not.

 

And there is also another possible explanation. The magnetic field cannot be rotated around its magnetical axis. We can rotate the magnet as much as we want, yet all we do rotate is the magnet not its magnetic field. In fact we must conclude that magnet does create or bear magnetic field. But we must also state that magnetic field and magnet are not one and the same reality. Like the colour of the ball. One red ball has it's own colour. And colour is a property of the ball. Yet if you rotate the ball, do you rotate the colour? Can you rotate or move the property of the object with the object? Everyone in right mind knows that the question does not make sense and cannot be answered.

 

But this did not satisfy me. I needed answer to this puzzle. And it was horrible revelation to me that some prominent 'scientist' tried to answer the question by repeating and repeating the same three experiments in well equipped laboratories, tried to measure some difference. It should be simple known to anyone that we have a riddle of three elements and three results. It cannot be solved like that. Even more saddening is the fact that this very same people used very complicated mathematical formulas to support one or the other answer. Yet it looks to me that they know how to calculate, they lack simple logic.

 

Like in all good things in life simple questions require simple solutions. I wasted a lot of time myself thinking of this Faraday's riddle. But after some time a solution to the question was formed in my mind.

 

The key question here is the relativity of conductor and magnetic field. So we have to dispense one element to gain conclusive decision. In our case this has to be measuring instrument, voltmeter. But by such constitution we have no longer ability to detect the presence of induced voltage. Or..?

Here I used the reality. We can never have a perfect disk with perfect roundness or a perfectly uniform magnetic field. And we can never put disk and magnetic filed perfectly in line of the same axis. This fact can be used in our new experiment. Let us do two more experiments.

 

Suspend the disk over the magnet on thin string, so that disk can be spinned over the magnet and that it can move of the vertical axis. Now spin the disk. It can be done by simply twisting the string. You will observe that after some time, disk tends to escape the magnetic field. It will start to spin around the magnet. Off the vertical axis. Reason for this is obvious. There are induced voltages in the disk. This produces eddy currents in the disk. The current as we know produces it's own magnetic field, that is just inverse of induced current. In perfect world with perfectly uniform magnetic field, conductor and mathematically exact position of both axes in the same line, all induced currents in the disk would be same. And they resultant of them would be null. Also the resultant of Biort Savart force between original on induced magnetic field would be null. Yet we live in imperfect world. So we can see by change in the position of rotating disk according to vertical axis the fact that voltage is indeed induced in the disk. As we would expect.
Now. For second experiment. Do not change anything. Make sure, disk is in its rest position and that it can spin and deflect form vertical axis freely. Now spin the magnet. If the magnetic field would spin on it's magnetic axis with the magnet, the same effect should be observed.
It is not so. The disk neither spins neither is deflected form vertical axis. And we have the same imperfection of elements and positions as before.
 

By this simple experiment I solved Faraday's riddle in December 2002. The magnetic field CANNOT BE ROTATED ON ITS POLAR AXIS.

I know many experiments were done on Faraday's paradox. Some even solved the problem. But none of these experiments were simple to perform and were not so conclusive as mine. And I do not know of anyone who did the same experiment as I did.

 

Now let us come to the basic question.

Does the Earth's magnetic field rotate with the planet?

 

If the magnetic field of simple permanent magnet is not rotated with the magnet? What about Earth's magnetic field. I mailed my discovery to some experts in the field of geomagnetism a month after my solution to Faraday's paradox. Most of them didn't reply. Some of them were not even aware of the existence of Faraday's paradox. I told you before, that teachers avoid the subject for lack of explanation. The rest concluded that Earth's magnetic field rotates with the planet in spite of fact that magnetic field of a simple magnet can not be rotated.

I will avoid repeating reasons they offered for their belief. Let us just say I never ever in my life heard of so stupid and ingenious claims.

One, best of them, to my opinion, was that Earth?s magnetic field is much more complex than magnetic field of bar magnet.

Is it?

I do not think that complexity of this planets magnetic field is simple. But as we all know even the smallest bar magnet has a magnetic filed that is just the result of many many small magnets constituting the bigger one. So even the smallest magnet is composed. One can find this simply by breaking the magnet. If you break the magnet you do not have separate poles. You have two magnets.

Obviously magnet is composed of many smaller magnets.

It should be noted here, that none of physics I know ever used simple but effective logic of Lucretius, by which he explained the existence of atoms. For if you can divide something, you must have the one that divides and the one between. This is just my hint to all people who still search for aether. J

Think. For our mind and logic is the best laboratory ever constructed. You do not need complex machinery to explore the nature and it's laws. All you need is clear mind, logic and a bit of fantasy. So if you can divide a magnet and the result is two magnets and two magnetic fields, you can question yourself, did you divide one magnetic field in two? And if so, what is that, that Lucretius would call ?the one between??

Fact is. This planet's magnetic field does not rotate with the planet. For even if it would be the most complex magnetic field in universe, it would still be obedient to the laws of nature. And the law of nature is that magnetic field cannot be rotated on it's own polar axis. Sic! Simple or complex. It does not rotate.

And if we accept this simple fact, we should know by now from all these simple experiments, that we do rotate in Earth's magnetic field, and some induced voltage must be present by that.

For all those scientist, who searched for reasons of telluric currents and explanations of geodynamo process that is creating Earth's magnetic field, please take this fact in consideration. It is of utmost importance. Feel free to forget all theories and hypothesis you know. Just perform these five simple experiments and conclude by your own mind and reason.

To me conclusive experiment is more than any even so beautiful theory. Facts are facts.

We do leave in sea of energy. Free energy. For if we would be able to construct a simple coil in which only one half would be sensitive to induction and other half noninductive, we could gain almost limitless quantities of electrical energy just from fact that we rotate and move in Earth's magnetic field.

Please do not confuse the rotation of magnetic poles around rotational axis of Earth. Earth's magnetic poles relation to any point on the globe does not change with the rotation of the planet. Position of poles rotate of course. But the magnetic field does not.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: CTG Labs on June 29, 2007, 11:35:10 PM
Rob, I have already seen this and have emailed the author as you may remember from Gn0sis.

What did I miss Rob?

Again if the field does not rotate, why we cannot get inductions by holding a coil in the air, half of it non-inductive or other wise?

If I get a coil and wave it back and forth in the air I get inductions because there is presumably relative movement between it and the earths magnetic field.  If instead I hold it still, there are no inductions presumably because there is now no movement between the magnetic field and the coil.  If the field remains still as the earth rotates through it, how this is so?


D.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: HopeForHumanity on June 30, 2007, 12:11:52 AM
I feel I must reply because the topic just couldn't get out of my brain. (YES, I LIKE TO WATCH). I'm not entirely sure about this, but maybe gravity has something to do with this? Like maybe the proportion of the strength of the magnetic field compared to the strength of gravity. Like maybe the voltage will only arise when gravity doesn't exceed the strength of the magnetic field? Like maybe why we don't see any voltage because the earths magnetic field is relatively weak compared to the earths gravity? I noticed that in smaller magnetic objects, the magnetic field is ussualy stronger than the objects gravity, but with the earth it's the other way around. :-\ ???
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: BEP on June 30, 2007, 12:53:16 AM
Read this, at the end it will exactly tell you why....

Bravo!
I wish more understood this and had your clarity of logic!

This highlights the issues of 'cancellation' that are mentioned. Are we all aware that a regenerative radio circuit is able to boost the incoming signal by cancelling the Elect. part of the received wave? And due to conservation that cancelled energy must be converted to something? Some think 50% is sent to a chaotic state and 50% is manifested as added potential in the magnetic portion of the signal.

In ANY case IT DOES BOOST THE SIGNAL.

I built my first regen radio when I was about 12. Type 47 tube if I recall correctly. It did a much better job in boosting than one without regen. The only problem was the higher the current through the regen coil - the higher the Q of the main coil. Of course that wasn't good enough so I piped 500 Volts into the plate instead of 90 and that is why AM reception died that night for my whole neighborhood. The blasted thing became a very high Q oscillator. - And it still continued to pickup that little Texan station that I couldn't hear with my 7 transistor radio.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 30, 2007, 01:22:50 AM
EM,

I am facinated, please tell on.  If what you are saying is correct how would that differ in flatland, than what we are now doing?  And how can we bring resonance to 7.3 Hz?  I had a person who said to me "vibrations" not very long ago.  What signals would we be sending in place of our oscillators?

EM, this same person told me a story of monks who with the power of music (too high to be heard with human ears) could move things, or destroy.  Does this fit into what you are thinking?

What type of wave would we send?  Longitudinal wave?  How would this be done?  How do we get resonance to the earth.  (7.3 Hz.)?  I think your thinking facinating and worthy of experimentation.  So please continue...  :)

@ BEP
Good to see you back my friend! I think you were correct in your thinking here:

Quote from: WaveWatcher on 19-06-2007, 19:29:28
"The signal source is earth's core. The SM coil and my contraption are simply Farady pickup coils.
Loop antennas provide multiple gains at higher than designed resonance at almost random points of the spectrum. I am convinced his coils were flat tubing, waveguides or coaxial and Mobius."

I did not understand at the time, but I do now.

@ All
I know that it is difficult to wrap our minds around trying to overcome the math problem.  I am not a mathametician, but I understand what has been said.  If it were impossible, how did Tesla do it?  He "tuned" to these huge magnetic waves with his magnetometer.  How did he do it without 10,000 Km of wire?

If the unit is not tuned to resonate at 7.3 but rather at the first fundamental (primary) frequency, then the only other way (before EM's idea was introduced) was an electromagnet artificially tuned to that wave, over a small part of the collectors or maybe all of them.  I also think about the PM from our friend from Macedonia.  It seems his math has improved and he simply states, "Add an electromagnet"  (AC) would be my guess.  All of these are area for experiment.

This is why I spend so much time on this thread.  I think things through, and right or wrong, it gives me areas to experiment and to suggest experiments to those more skilled in the arts.  Experimentation is the key.  Some of my theory will be knocked down, some proved, but who cares as long as we have an OU ECD-TPU in the end.  I love to experiment, and can not wait to leave this keyboard and attack the ECD.  Monday we solder and experiment if all goes well with my partner.

Also Marco had his .pdf posted today about the Earth's magnetic field.  He saved me hours of working through it tonight, so if you have not recieved it already, Please do so.  Thank you Marco!  Please pick up a copy in the locked "FAQ" thread.

Thank you for your time as always, 
Happy, Happy days!  :)  (Experiment and then bring it!)
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: BEP on June 30, 2007, 02:13:05 AM
Yes, Magnetic fields do not rotate about their axis - but they can be rotated in the same way a compass needle rotates. It does have its own magnetic field. And when pickup coils are aligned with that field correctly - induction.

The problem with the Faraday disc is that the potential is between the axis and the edge of the disc. Even if we drilled a hole 3500 kM deep and soldered to the center of the Earth it would make no difference because we still need to have a 3500 kM long probe wire. That would cancel the effect. What we need is the 'effective' equivilant.
(did u notice the '35' in that statement?)

I believe we are only interested in the longitudinal portion of the signal. As such it is not difficult to tune a coil since the length of the wire will only change the voltage and the mass of the wire will control the current. The tuning should be to adjust the relationship between coils not between coil and Earth. And the size of the large coil is unimportant - the bigger it is the more Watts! The distance from one side of a winding turn to the other side of that same winding turn will matter as magnetic loops use the potential difference between the sides of the turns.

Etch the whole thing on a printed circuit card and use it to power your cell phone. Of course you'll all have to lay down on your side when talking! Otherwise your battery will go dead ;D  I don't think my wife and daughters will have a problem with that!

So, for best results we need an antenna that has the effective length of 3500 kM. Since we are measuring at actual points we don't need to drill that hole and we will see the potential/difference.

This type of antenna is used in virtually every AM radio. Believe me if you unwound the coil it would not be long enough to equal any reasonable value of a wavelength in the AM broadcast band. The ferrite rod with the coil about it is tuned to the band because its 'effective' length falls within that band.

Also, if you look at most you will see what looks like two coils, one much smaller than the other. This is the injection (used to be called regeneration) coil. The recieved signal is amplified and then sent through this injection coil (lagging in phase) to the main tuned coil. This has the effect of 'kicking' the original signal up another notch in amplitude then the whole process starts again with the next + or - peak.

This injection coil usually has a visible difference. It is sometimes of heavier gauge or may be wound as bifalar. The idea is that that coil carries the signal in a form of high current but low voltage in relationship to the tuned coil.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: MeggerMan on June 30, 2007, 02:30:38 AM
@Bruce,
Why 7.3?
Antenna size using the surface of the earth as one giant antenna?
Speed of light / 7.3 = 186,282 miles per sec / 7.3 = 25,518 miles
So given the circumference varies between 24,900 and 24,821.
Taking into account hills/valleys and you could say this increases to 25500 miles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremely_low_frequency
 
Listern to this ELF sound speeded up:
http://www-pw.physics.uiowa.edu/mcgreevy/#latest
This ones really weird:
http://www-pw.physics.uiowa.edu/mcgreevy/30a1652.wav

So this is what we will be tapping into.
I think to create this ELF we need to use two higher frequencies say 35,705 Hz and 35,712.3 Hz and create a beat 7.3 Hz frequency.

Regards
Rob
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 30, 2007, 02:34:01 AM
@ BEP

Not to give you the big head, my friend, but you are brilliant.  AND you are the first human being I have ever said that to in public. 

Now, if you would be kind enough to take what you have just told us and tell us how we can apply that to our collectors in a practical step by step way, that would be awesome!   ;D


@Rob
As long as 7.3 is in there and it vibrates at that I am happy! :)  We must experiment for there are only but 4 ways to get us there.  AND that answer will get us to OU I do believe, my friend.  I have no dogma, just experiments we must conduct to prove one way or another.  :)

Happy Days!
Bruce  (Me thinks BEP put what I have been trying to say into a workable way to put this into our "circuit potential" (ECD-TPU windings)

:)
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: BEP on June 30, 2007, 03:41:46 AM
All numbers are to be experimentally optimized because the physical relationship between them will change reactance of all.

I am only concerned that the larger coil is of highest possible Q near Schumann.

Main coil -
 Coax construction - solid inner conductor and solid / largest possible diameter outer shell to add in Q factor. two layers of LMR-400 with one layer around the other like a two layer -plain jane- coil. Except both ends connected together in mobius fashion - shield to center/center to shield. All tightly wound and solid.

Second coil -

Must have substantial velocity factor difference from above coil and be from 3 to 5 times the resonance of the above. This would use much lower quality coax or even zip cord. No calculations yet - depends on what is in my junk box.

Back again later....

Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: turbo on June 30, 2007, 03:59:59 AM

This injection coil usually has a visible difference. It is sometimes of heavier gauge or may be wound as bifalar. The idea is that that coil carries the signal in a form of high current but low voltage in relationship to the tuned coil.

Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 30, 2007, 04:20:25 AM

So, for best results we need an antenna that has the effective length of 3500 kM. Since we are measuring at actual points we don't need to drill that hole and we will see the potential/difference.


Hey BEP,

So If I understand the above statement correctly, we use a "sampling" (if that is the correct word) of the potential/difference to "tune" to what ever resonance we desire?

Cheers,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: BEP on June 30, 2007, 05:57:03 AM

So If I understand the above statement correctly, we use a "sampling" (if that is the correct word) of the potential/difference to "tune" to what ever resonance we desire?


No. Because the antenna is an effective antenna, it would act as if it was 3500 kM long. In real diminsions it fits on our table so instead of measuring from the center of the Earth to a terminal here we only need to measure from two points on the coil. We don't have the problem of the ultra long probe wire cancelling the measurement.

If it was an 80 meter antenna we could place our probes 40 meters apart on that antenna to get a peak to zero OR we could have a whip with a loading coil and get the same measurement across the much shorter whip and coil. Why - because the whip and coil are an effective length of an antenna without the coil. Standing Waves.
The same is true for any antenna that is physically smaller than the wavelength it is made for.
As long as the antenna, feedline or waveguide is 1/4 wavelength we can measure 1/2 the peak to peak value across it by finding where the signal crosses zero and where it is at its peak. The same is true for an antenna that has an effective 1/4 wavelength but is a fraction of a real 1/4 wavelength.

So, we can see a zero to peak voltage across a real coil that has an effective length much longer than physical.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Motorcoach1 on June 30, 2007, 10:04:30 AM
@ wave watcher seems heavieside did this , i did that , gray wave , don't wat to pruse that . ned a new thing i'm working on a safer wi9nding   . mike
Title: ferrite radio antenna versus vortex generator
Post by: Earl on June 30, 2007, 10:23:48 AM
Let's say that this ferrite radio antenna can resonate at 1 MHz.
1e+6 / 7.3 = 136986

now build this ferrite antenna 140 000 times as big.
Let's say the ferrite rod is 100mm long.  The question is: do you have enough money to buy a ferrite rod antenna that is 14 km long?
And since the TPU presummedly does not use ferric materials, this 14 km really expands to 35 000 km.

I keep repeating, the TPU has no connection whatsoever with Schumann resonance of the Earth/Ionospere cavity.  Following this path is a dead end, in my opinion.

A much more plausible theory has been formulated by Robert / dutchy1966 in a post called "TPU Operating principle proposal". Namely  that the TPU is a Magnetic vortex generator to redirect and concentrate earth?s magnetic field lines into the TPU.

I am going to create an animated GIF showing how the TPU might work according to this idea.  Hold on to replies until I get this done.

Regards, Earl
[snip]
So, for best results we need an antenna that has the effective length of 3500 kM. Since we are measuring at actual points we don't need to drill that hole and we will see the potential/difference.

This type of antenna is used in virtually every AM radio. Believe me if you unwound the coil it would not be long enough to equal any reasonable value of a wavelength in the AM broadcast band. The ferrite rod with the coil about it is tuned to the band because its 'effective' length falls within that band.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Motorcoach1 on June 30, 2007, 10:40:41 AM
well ERALO i'm a dummie  Teslas dule cone is real so explane that to me and the copper tube that makes it work , like i said the wire frams will bee published , i'm still the IDIOT   flatwind it does't have to be transmited it is natural space  sig and i just had this disuccion ( the guy that made the mag molelling study )  mmmmm
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Motorcoach1 on June 30, 2007, 10:52:17 AM
@ wave Watcher the Q 47 tube as we did it back in 71 it was a metal globe in mineral bath and we tok a magnet (south ) and put on the top end to reach high Q ( ground plain 154 meters ) that gave us the altos fer . look at loran A  ELF toltaly diffrent mmmm
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: dutchy1966 on June 30, 2007, 12:15:40 PM
Hi,

You know what I don't understand?
I give everyone an exact theory on how the tpu might work. (i know the induction issue is debatable)
But I have given you exact phrases with confirmation from SM stating the TPU is a magnetic vortex.

Here it is again, SM answering a capital YES to the direct question from Carl Hurst:

49.   Also, #17, YES
17: The imploding television story is very interesting.
Could Mark?s device be close to tapping into or creating such a powerful magnetic vortex?

Then, Why does he SM ask if anyone can explain the Oregon vortex, Why does he tell over and over again about the Turbine effect, Why does he tell Lindsay mannix : 50.   I am pleased that you can clearly see the turbine?.

please keep these characteristics in mind because only a vortex principle will match with them:

1. The center of the tpu is free of interfering magnetic fields. (the control circuit is placed there)
2. The TPU stops functioning when turned upside down
3. South of the equator it works in reverse
4. There is a ?turbine? effect when starting up and shutting down
5. SM is convinced that the earth?s magnetic field is the source of the power.



I've include a pdf with all important phrases on Steven Mark. Maybe it's something for Stefan to put in the locked threat. The whole list is numbered so everyone can refer to the numbers in that document (that is why you see the numers 49 and 50 in this mail)
Hope it helps everyone to focus on the things SM has told us and stop everyone wandering off in all directions where there is no base for.

Regards,
 
Robert
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: dutchy1966 on June 30, 2007, 12:38:07 PM
Ok, just been reading Marco's research on the earths magnetic field. It might be that tpu vortex is not tapping in to the horizontal component of the flux lines but mainly into the VERTICAL part. It uses the inclination of the field.
This then matches very well with SM's statement telling us that the earths magnetic field is not single dimensional!!

Thanx marco! Good research!

regards

Robert
Title: bathtub
Post by: Earl on June 30, 2007, 12:51:12 PM
Hi Robert,

can you please tell me where to find Marco's latest PDF?

I think of the TPU as a bathtub full of water.  The TPU creates an exit path for the water (magnetic or aetheric  or gravetic vortex) and taps a bit of it.  If you turn the bathtub upside down you break the vortex and it no longer works (unless maybe you reverse rotational direction of excitation coils).

Regards, Earl
Ok, just been reading Marco's research on the earths magnetic field. It might be that tpu vortex is not tapping in to the horizontal component of the flux lines but mainly into the VERTICAL part. It uses the inclination of the field.
This then matches very well with SM's statement telling us that the earths magnetic field is not single dimensional!!

Thanx marco! Good research!

regards, Robert
Title: Re: ferrite radio antenna versus vortex generator
Post by: turbo on June 30, 2007, 12:55:15 PM

now build this ferrite antenna 140 000 times as big.
Let's say the ferrite rod is 100mm long.  The question is: do you have enough money to buy a ferrite rod antenna that is 14 km long?

I keep repeating, the TPU has no connection whatsoever with Schumann resonance of the Earth/Ionospere cavity.  Following this path is a dead end, in my opinion.


Hi i am sorry but i have to disagree with you here,

the antenna you describe is not the oly way to recieve low frequency's
there are a number of ELF reciever circuits which let's you recieve the signals without the huge antenna.

for example the circuit below works with a 75 centimeter antenna and it's frequency response is between less then 100 Hertz up to 24 Khertz it is fed by a 9volt battery and draws about 25mA.

we can amplify the recieved signals and send them into a small coil to resonate with the field, if we do this at 7,3 Hz opposite to the natural electromagnetic field there is a possabillaty the coil would even vibrate.

Basicly Those circuits are gyrator based.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyrator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyrator)

I am not saying this has anything to do with the TPU , but i just want to correct people who claim they know for sure somethings cannot work because this or that knowitalls while they do not have a clue about what is actually going on.

i wonder why some people are alway's explaining why things cannot work ,pherhaps they already have tpu's running in their basement for years.

Marco.

Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: dutchy1966 on June 30, 2007, 12:57:03 PM
Hi Earl,

It is here:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=712.0;attach=9342


Robert
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: z_p_e on June 30, 2007, 02:21:17 PM
@ dutchy,

Thus far over the last year or so, I have not really felt compelled to endorse any theories that have emerged from the great minds working on this project. However, as I just stumbled onto yours here Robert, I have to agree with you, because the magnetic vortex forms part of my own overall theory of operation as well.

In the future, I hope to be able to prove and demonstrate its existence.

It's nice to see someone else picking up on similar clues as I have.

Regards,
Darren
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: dutchy1966 on June 30, 2007, 02:34:40 PM
@ dutchy,

Thus far over the last year or so, I have not really felt compelled to endorse any theories that have emerged from the great minds working on this project. However, as I just stumbled onto yours here Robert, I have to agree with you, because the magnetic vortex forms part of my own overall theory of operation as well.

In the future, I hope to be able to prove and demonstrate its existence.

It's nice to see someone else picking up on similar clues as I have.

Regards,
Darren

Hi Darren,

As you, I'm am glad to see that slowly more people are stepping forward that can see the clues SM has given us and the relationship to a vortex/turbine sort of operating principle.
Seeing as this starts to branch off from Bruces experimenting I suggest to open up a new topic that assumes the TPU is a magnetic vortex generator. Further discussions concerning that should be done there.....

regards

Robert
Title: ferrite radio antenna versus vortex generator
Post by: Earl on June 30, 2007, 02:38:37 PM
Comments in blue below.

now build this ferrite antenna 140 000 times as big.
Let's say the ferrite rod is 100mm long.  The question is: do you have enough money to buy a ferrite rod antenna that is 14 km long?

I keep repeating, the TPU has no connection whatsoever with Schumann resonance of the Earth/Ionospere cavity.  Following this path is a dead end, in my opinion.
Hi i am sorry but i have to disagree with you here,

the antenna you describe is not the oly way to recieve low frequency's
there are a number of ELF reciever circuits which let's you recieve the signals without the huge antenna.

Hi Marco,
I know this since I use active antennas for many years.


for example the circuit below works with a 75 centimeter antenna and it's frequency response is between less then 100 Hertz up to 24 Khertz it is fed by a 9volt battery and draws about 25mA.

we can amplify the recieved signals and send them into a small coil to resonate with the field, if we do this at 7,3 Hz opposite to the natural electromagnetic field there is a possabillaty the coil would even vibrate.

The coil is resonant, but not the antenna.  Active antennas must have an extremely high input impedance, even one-half pF at the antenna base will reduce performance.  Since it is difficult to mechanically hold the base of a practical active antenna whip without adding several pF of capacitance, performance will suffer.  In the real world, by being as careful as possible active antenna performance can be considered to be an acceptable compromise.

Basicly Those circuits are gyrator based.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyrator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyrator)

Most active antennas are not gyrator based.  Gyrators can only be used for fairly low frequencies.  Many people also desire that an active antenna be broadband.


I am not saying this has anything to do with the TPU , but i just want to correct people who claim they know for sure somethings cannot work because this or that knowitalls while they do not have a clue about what is actually going on.

I very clearly stated that this was my opinion.  What is not my opinion, but hard, cold fact is that neither the TPU, nor its coils can be resonant at 7+ Hz.  There is no doubt about that.

i wonder why some people are alway's explaining why things cannot work ,pherhaps they already have tpu's running in their basement for years.

The TPU's exhibited characteristics do not show any signs that there is a connection of its output power to the big cavity between Earth and the ionosphere.  Schumann resonance is not anything magic, but sometimes it is sold as better than beer.

I can very loudly shout that neither the TPU nor any part of it can be resonant at 7+ Hz because I know resonance is due to physical size and the medium in which the resonant object is immersed.  I am sure you will agree with me about this.

One can can also turn your sentence around and say:
i wonder why some people are alway's explaining how things must work ,pherhaps they already have tpu's running in their basement for years.

Various people have various theories how the TPU works, which is good; it shows there is a lot of thinking going on.

BTW, someone said that SM said the TPU does not work in a shielded box.  Can anyone point me to this reference?

Regards, Earl


Marco.
Title: Re: ferrite radio antenna versus vortex generator
Post by: exnihiloest on June 30, 2007, 03:24:41 PM

There is a 2 MW transmitter on 162 Khz, located 400 km from my home, and another at 50 km radiating 300 KW on 711 Khz.
Nevertheless what I can get from these radiated energies is on the order of some milliwatts. Ferrite antennas have a good signal/size ratio but are inefficient. They are never used for transmitting except for very short distance ( < 100 mtr).

On 7.3 Hz the problem would be much worse. At this frequency, even if it's quite possible to have a resonant circuit with higher mu materials and lower losses, the size of such an antenna would be very small relative to the wave length (around 10 000 times less than for AM radio), so it would be much less efficient.
And on another side, a spectrum analyser tuned on 7.3 Hz shows a very low signal just above the noise background. So we can't expect to get useable energy with a very poorly efficient antenna and from a very weak source.







Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 30, 2007, 03:31:39 PM
Woa...Guys!

We are all a part of the same team, just with different ideas. 

I think it hasty to disprove something without experimenting with it.  This is the book way, but unacceptable working in TPU land.

Otto and Roberto are on the right path, this is for sure.  We are looking for additions too, NOT a whole new route.

@ Dutchy

You have a theory, some like it.  I will not state one way or another about it, because it is an avenue you are passionate about, and theory can be argued all day, what we need are experiments and experimenters.  So I suggest two steps of action:
1.  Start your own thread to explore your ideas
2.  Experiment to see if you can make it work

This is what Bob R. has done and I admire him for it. 

@ ALL
We do not have to agree with each others ideas.  I was smacked around for sometime, for stating that 3 signals was what was needed, but see where we are. 
The only way to prove a theory is to test it in the real world, plain and simple.  SO to those of you who think this idea of BEP's and others is "loopy" (all pun intended!:) ) , Chill out, let us experiment with it and be proven wrong.  That is the courtesy I ask be shown to each person on every thread.

Thank all of you for your understanding, and together, even through different avenues, we will get ever closer to an answer.

My last comment is, "Have you built the ECD?"  This should be first base, for me and everyone else.  Mine is nearly done, soldered circuit is all.  I gave my word that this I would do before chasing rabbit trails.

Happy Days!  :)
Bruce

Title: Re: ferrite radio antenna versus vortex generator
Post by: turbo on June 30, 2007, 10:00:49 PM

I can very loudly shout that neither the TPU nor any part of it can be resonant at 7+ Hz because I know resonance is due to physical size and the medium in which the resonant object is immersed.  I am sure you will agree with me about this.


haha, look!  now you are even sure that i will agree with you.
How sure are you Earl?

In fact i have to disagree with you again....

Marco.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 30, 2007, 10:28:11 PM
My, My, one never knows who is looking at this site...!  :)

I just found the following discussion (websites don't work so were erased by me), here:

http://www.sibir.bg/blog/Shadoww/?blogPage=blogPreviewArticle&artID=13374

It is interesting that someone else has come to the same conclusion that I, BEP, Marco and others have about our missing ingredient.  Some brain food.  I have not yet viewed the referenced website but will be soon.  If you find any pertinent info there please post. 

Happy Days!  :)
Bruce

(*Teal Bold are parts I found VERY  interesting.)
These are direct quotes from Steven Mark about his devices: Here SM says that his devices work like radio receivers: Think of the power unit as a device similar to a radio receiver.No I do not want to hear feed back informing me that I am trying to convince the world my unit works on radio waves!!!. Here SM says that his different devices use different frequencies and that the closer you get to the 'center frequency'/'ideal frequency' that you will permit more power output: My units behave as though they are variable tuning devices, and we are tuning them to a frequency just like a radio. The closer you get to the center frequency the more power you permit the collector to dissipate into a load. Here SM is saying something VERY IMPORTANT, that you make several frequencies in the SPACE OF THE COLLECTOR COILS CIRCUMFERENCE and that the DIAMETER/CIRCUMFERANCE determines the 'center frequency'/'ideal frequency' of his different devices, if Steven's collector coils are indeed loop antennas then this makes perfect sense, different circumferances, different 'center/idea frequencies': The important difference here is that in the case of the radio, you tune into the frequency and amplify it for use. In the case of my power unit, you create several frequencies within a space of the collector coil's circumference. The frequencies are directly related to the circumference of the collector coil. Here SM talks about the signal source, i.e. the 'several frequencies in the SPACE OF THE COLLECTOR COILS CIRCUMFERENCE' having the characteristic that it has inherent gain: You can begin to collect the current and dissipate it with no need for amplification because the signal source also becomes the feed for the power source and has the natural tendency to run with gain. Here SM refers to the fact that if you were to tune directly to the 'center frequency'/'ideal frequency' which is based on the circumferance of the device, that you would destroy the device, well think about that, if SM used the technique from above and he stayed at one frequency and he looped the output at 1.5x COP to the input, then the device would surely be "instantly destroyed": It is important that you note that you can never tune too closely to the exact frequencies of power conversion because the power received by the collector will instantly destroy it. We instead must deliberately tune off the frequencies of conversion in order to make the thing properly work. Here SM is explaining that you must constantly move AROUND, i.e. above and below, the 'center/ideal frequency' because if you stay on it too long the device would smoke itself: Remember that it is like a furnace which feeds itself. The hotter it gets the more fuel it gives itself to burn. that is why the control units are so very important. Without the control unit constantly monitoring the frequencies of operation and making the necessary changes to keep the whole thing off exact conversion frequency, then the unit would very quickly destroy it's self. END SECTION THREE I have MUCH more to say about Steven's words regarding the KICKS and combining KICKS, and how they exactly match the Hungarian scientist works above. I will guide you in detail through the exact similarities. I will post more later, this took me a while to format and its 1am . Almost forgot, here are the links to the above info from the Hungarians: Free energy from wave-fields (Introduction):
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: turbo on June 30, 2007, 10:41:33 PM
did you try those links Bruce?  ::)
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: chrisC on June 30, 2007, 10:48:24 PM
My, My, one never knows who is looking at this site...!  :)

I just found the following discussion and mentioned sites, here:

http://www.sibir.bg/blog/Shadoww/?blogPage=blogPreviewArticle&artID=13374

It is interesting that someone else has come to the same conclusion

Do you understand Hungarian? Maybe you can tell us what is it that he agreed with you?

cheers
chrisC
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 30, 2007, 10:55:09 PM
@ Marco
Just one, got to a hungarian site.

@ Chris
Loop antennas

@ all
Here is some good info from a patent about the special properties of a Toroid to act as an antenna, very informative and in English, too!  LOL  :)

http://www.google.com/patents?id=J-8jAAAAEBAJ&printsec=drawing&zoom=4&dq=inassignee:West+inassignee:Virginia+inassignee:University&as_drrb_ap=q&as_minm_ap=1&as_miny_ap=2007&as_maxm_ap=1&as_maxy_ap=2007&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=1&as_miny_is=2007&as_maxm_is=1&as_maxy_is=2007#PPA13,M1
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on July 01, 2007, 03:07:00 AM
All numbers are to be experimentally optimized because the physical relationship between them will change reactance of all.

I am only concerned that the larger coil is of highest possible Q near Schumann.

Main coil -
 Coax construction - solid inner conductor and solid / largest possible diameter outer shell to add in Q factor. two layers of LMR-400 with one layer around the other like a two layer -plain jane- coil. Except both ends connected together in mobius fashion - shield to center/center to shield. All tightly wound and solid.

Second coil -

Must have substantial velocity factor difference from above coil and be from 3 to 5 times the resonance of the above. This would use much lower quality coax or even zip cord. No calculations yet - depends on what is in my junk box.

Back again later....


Hi BEP,

You missed quite a discussion.  :)  Now, I want to build the above, with you. And then test it alongside of the ECD.  (My wife says if it go's boom she will haunt you..;)  So remember, we just wanna make some juice...Blue light, blue light... LOL! )

1.  I was wondering if it would work to use a larger size lamp chord, say 14 awg in place of the LMR-400 for the safety reasons you brought up before?

"I am only concerned that the larger coil is of highest possible Q near Schumann."

2.  Since you are the "antenna" expert, how do we make sure it is of the highest possible Q near Schumann?  How do we make that happen?  We want to keep it 6" toroid in shape, though elliptical cross section is fine.  SM's had this as well according to an invester who was at a demonstration.  (Now that is a good clue!  ;) )

"Must have substantial velocity factor difference from above coil and be from 3 to 5 times the resonance of the above. This would use much lower quality coax or even zip cord."

3.  Okay, on this bottom collector, can I use a smaller gauge lamp wire again, say 18 awg?  Would that be small enough, or would 20 awg be better?
3a. Will it be in the same, "mobius at both ends" way, flat and layered? 
3b. About how many turns to get it 3 to 5 times the resonance of the top collector? 
3c. How do we test it for resonance?
3d. How do we make sure it is of substantial velocity difference than top coil?  By resonance, length and wire size?

4.  Do we keep top collector unconnected to bottom collector?
4a. If so, will 1.5" be a large enough distance?  (I'm thinking about the 6" TPU engineering report.  TPU was 1.5" in height.)

Lets have some fun and build!  ;)

Sorry for all the question, but time is of the essence, this I do believe.

@ Everyone - Take a look see what I found:

First as always, SM's words:
"HE (Tesla) said that one day in his laboratory he was noticing that there were some reactions on his magnetometer for no reason he could understand.
The next day he had many magnetometers brought into his laboratory and he began additional research.
He found that the measurement of the earth's magnetic field was fairly straightforward.
You have a device, which measures a very small magnetic force which comes from the generation of magnetic waves as the big iron ball we call the earth rotates.
If you look at a scientific display of the earth you see that it resembles a big power generator.
It has poles, a magnetic field, rotation, everything.
Now I am you know that anytime you have a magnetic field moving past a wire you have electron flow in that wire or more precisely on the surface.
So the earth is generating the most unbelievably huge amount of power all the time and we can't tap into it?!
I don't believe it! Neither did Nicola Tesla.
He found a way to tap into the earth's power potential and he demonstrated it often
.
Did you know that every single one of his patents was purchased by Edison and Westinghouse?
He had a very large amount of patents and they purchased all of them but only utilized one for transmitting electric power via 60 cycle AC and step down transformers, which became the standard of power transmission throughout the earth to this day.
Anyway, back to his research in the laboratory.
He noticed that most of the time the magnetometers stayed relatively sedate and around the same level. They would fluctuate just slightly.
However one day he noticed that the meters jumped quite unpredictably.
It attracted his attention and he began to find that the meters were reacting to a thunderstorm many hundreds of miles away.
Interesting isn't it?
Then he continued his experiments and found that as a thunderstorm moved closer the magnetometers would register larger and larger fluctuations until they were off the scale and useless.
He was fascinated and consumed by this.
He acquired better magnetometers and his research found that you could tune the magnetometers to certain specific frequencies and tap directly into large magnetic waves.
When I say large, I am referring to huge.
That was useable power.
However, you had to find a circuit potential in order for the electrons to flow.
That was the difficulty which he overcame to produce his famous demonstrations of power from nowhere."[/b]


Now, this is that SAME STORY AS TOLD BY TESLA:  (Tesla investigated the phenomenon of lightning. He did this in Colorado Springs, in 1899. The following excerpts are from Tesla's own writing, reproduced in Jonathan Eisen's book, Suppressed Inventions & Other Discoveries.)

* "It was on the third of July - the date I shall never forget - when I obtained the first decisive experimental evidence of a truth of overwhelming importance for the advancement of humanity. ...... towards evening a violent storm broke loose which, after spending much of its fury in the mountains, was driven away with great velocity over the plains. Heavy and long persistent arcs formed almost in regular time intervals. My observations were now greatly facilitated and rendered more accurate by the experience already gained. I was able to handle my instruments quickly and I was prepared. The recording apparatus being properly adjusted, its indications became fainter and fainter with the increasing distance of the storm, until they ceased altogether. I was watching in eager expectation. Sure enough, in a little while the indications began again, grew stronger and stronger and, after passing through a maximum, gradually decreased and ceased once more. Many times, in regularly recurring intervals, the same actions were repeated until the storm which, as evident from simple computations, was moving with nearly constant speed, had retreated to a distance of about three hundred kilometres. Nor did these strange actions stop then, but continued to manifest themselves with undiminished force. Subsequently, similar observations were also made by my assistant. ......No doubts whatever remained: I was observing stationary waves."

* "As the source of disturbances moved away the receiving circuit came successfully upon their nodes and loops. Impossible as it seemed this planet, despite its vast extent, behaved like a conductor of limited dimensions. The tremendous significance of this fact in the transference of energy by my system had already become quite clear to me."

(*nodes and loops = magnetometer/antenna)  ("the receiving circuit" = SM said, "His theory was that the TV while in operation, somehow managed to become a receiver of more then just television waves and so for a millisecond in time became a receiver and the discharger of a huge amount of electrical and magnetic energy.)

How did Tesla produce his famous demonstrations of power from nowhere?  EASY, he used STATIONARY WAVES combined with oscillators to create the "Phenomanon Of Magnetic Collection!"

STATIONARY WAVE SOLVES WHY SM's OUTPUT IS DC!!


Thank you for your time, I hope it has been fruitful. ;)
Happy Days! 
Bruce 
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Thedane on July 01, 2007, 12:05:47 PM

* "As the source of disturbances moved away the receiving circuit came successfully upon their nodes and loops. Impossible as it seemed this planet, despite its vast extent, behaved like a conductor of limited dimensions. The tremendous significance of this fact in the transference of energy by my system had already become quite clear to me."

Here's a visual aid of the gravity wave:

Description:  Time-Lapse of gravity wave action from the Tama, Iowa on May 6, 2007 To quote some one much smarter than I, "A gravity wave is a vertical wave. The best example I can think of in describing what a gravity wave looks like is to think of a rock being thrown into a pond. Ripples or circles migrate from the point the rock hits the water. An up and down motion is created. With increasing distance from the point where the rock hit the water, the waves becomes less defined (the waves are dampening). Now let's look at what a gravity wave is in the atmosphere. To start a gravity wave, a TRIGGER mechanism must cause the air to be displaced in the vertical. Examples of trigger mechanisms that produce gravity waves are mountains and thunderstorm updrafts. To generate a gravity wave, the air must be forced to rise in STABLE air. Why? Because if air rises in unstable air it will continue to rise and will NOT create a wave pattern. If air is forced to rise up in stable air, the natural tendency will be for the air to sink back down over time (usually because the parcel forced to rise is colder than the environment). The momentum of the air imparted by the trigger mechanism will force the parcel to rise and the stability of the atmosphere will force the parcel of air to sink after it rises (you have now undergone the first steps into creating a wave)..."

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=2034019524

Pretty impressive  ;D
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on July 01, 2007, 03:33:00 PM
Hello All:
Tesla was refering to stationary waves, as I have showed, and here is some scientific information on it:

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:

Terrestrial stationary waves are a phenomenon arising in the Earth's interior space because of the conductive ionosphere's action as a waveguide. They were considered by Nikola Tesla to be his most important discovery. The limited dimensions of the earth cause this waveguide to act as a resonant cavity for electromagnetic waves. The cavity is naturally excited by energy from lightning strikes. The Schumann Resonance is a set of terrestrial stationary waves in the extremely low frequency (ELF) portion of the Earth's electromagnetic field spectrum.

Lower frequencies and those at or below longwave bands travel most efficiently as a longitudinal wave and create stationary waves. The ionosphere and the Earth's surface constitute an interface that supports the wave. This resonant cavity is a particular standing wave pattern formed by waves confined in the cavity. The waves correspond to the wavelengths which are reinforced by constructive interference after many reflections from the cavity's reflecting surfaces."

Happy Days!  :)
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on July 01, 2007, 04:32:28 PM
Hello all,

I know, lots of information, but I am on a roll!  LOL

I do believe that our Dear SM was indeed a very advid student of Teslas.  I have found another clue from Tesla.  When reading this, please remember that I said SM "tuned" his coil to "Stationary waves" and not  a transformer. 

Plate 8  EARLY LABORATORY MODEL OF TESLA MOTOR WITH ROUND ROTOR AND SLIP RINGS.

"Tesla showed that tuned coils placed a distance from the transformer could pick up energy from it, and that quite large voltages could be developed in such coils. Although we have not used a coil accurately tuned to the Tesla transformer in this demonstration, we have arranged a coil such that it is capable of demonstrating the principle involved. When the coil plane is vertical there is practically no pick-up of energy from the transformer. If the coil plane is horizontal there is appreciable pick-up, and sufficient voltage is developed across the coil to light a small neon lamp."

This most certainly fits as SM's - tuned to stationary wave coil is turned, the voltage decreases until once upside down it picks up very little.

Lastly, I am looking for a "Tesla" pick up coil of these stationary waves.  I think that SM utilized Tesla for the TPU in this regard as well.  At least when he first started, I surmise.

Happy Days!  :)
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on July 01, 2007, 04:53:11 PM
Okay, for the short time being, I just want information that will give us our "circuit potential".  Practical "how to" for a Tesla Pick up coil.  Or BEP effective loop antenna.  How to Tune it.  How to wrap it, etc.  I found this small little bit to start and with your help we can compile enough information to build one on a toroid, and "TUNE" it to the frequency we want.

"Wind a pickup coil that is lower in frequency than the Tesla coil
system you are operating. Tune the pickup coil to match your
system frequency by grounding the base wire of the pickup coil to
the same location that you are grounding the base wire from the
Tesla coil secondary, then begin taking off turns of wire from
the pickup coil until the pickup coil is resonating, and you get
a spark from the open end of the coil. If too many turns are
removed, simply splice some wire back on the coil until you get
back to a nice sharp tune. 

A word of caution. The tune of a pickup coil can be exceedingly
sharp. The presence of your body close to the coil (or other
large object, including the floor) will be sufficient in many
cases to alter the resonate frequency. It you decide that the
coil is in tune while it is sitting close to the floor, or while
you are standing right next to it, you may lose the sharp tune
when you move it or step away. Some of the experiments performed
with pickup coils may require a very precise tune, so it is best
to have the coil tuned in sharp when it is not affected by nearby
objects. I set the coil up on an insulator (like plastic buckets)
at least 3 feet above the floor, and step back two or more steps
after subtracting or adding wire before I judge the coil output."

(*Not much, but a start... :) )
Bruce

Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on July 01, 2007, 05:07:03 PM
From:

http://www.nutsvolts.com/PDF_Files/tesla.pdf

"The Primary Coil
The primary coil is just a few turns of heavy
gauge wire. I like RadioShack?s catalog #15-035.
Since this wire is bare, you will be able to tune
your coil by sliding a wire along it until a point is
found where the coil fires most efficiently.
To get nice even circles, I first wrapped the
heavy gauge wire around a cylinder, then removed
it and threaded it through the PVC posts seen in
the photos.
In the photo, you?ll also notice I had 12 turns
of wire.This was simply for experimental purposes
as I was playing with a wide variety of components.
The coil was ?tuned? with less than six windings,
so I suggest you limit your primary to 6-? or so.

The Secondary Coil
In my mind, this is where much of the
magic happens!
Unlike a conventional transformer, a
Tesla coil?s output is not only related to the
ratio of turns in the primary and secondary
windings. In fact, the primary coil acts as a
tuned radio transmitter, and the secondary
a tuned radio receiver.When the high frequency
wave emanating from the primary
strikes the secondary ? if they are properly
in tune ? the secondary will begin to
oscillate powerfully.
This has been described to be like the
effect of a child on a swing. If the child is
pushed at just the right moment, the swing
will gain in amplitude. If pushed at the
wrong time, however, the swing will be
deadened. (This is why quenching the gap
and good tuning on the primary are so
important.)
The secondary coil is simply a long
winding of wire (typically 500 turns) wound
tightly on a cylindrical form."

(*Hmmm...Just a note...it makes me wonder what would happen if each of the three control wires groups on the ECD were tuned to the frequencies being input.  I think that would make a difference.)

I think I understand better, what BEP is thinking.  Two collectors, top collector is the primary, High Q, the primary coil acts as a
tuned radio transmitter of 7.3 Hz.  Second collector acts as the Secondary a tuned radio receiver.When the ELF frequency
wave emanating from the primary
strikes the secondary ? if they are properly
in tune ? the secondary will begin to
oscillate powerfully.

Also, it could be the exact reverse as stated and the primary transmits our high frequency oscillation inputs and the secondary receives this and the stationary wave.  BEP should know which. is true.  I think he described the first scenario, but we will verify.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on July 02, 2007, 12:10:00 AM
Okay, here is some more relevent information about Tesla that pertains to our discussion.

I believe I have proven that stationary waves are indeed a part of the TPU puzzle.  There are only three ways to bring this stationary wave to bear on the TPU (that I can think of, anyway):

1.  Naturally - tuned coil pick up of some sort/antenna style
2.  Artificially - Through the use of a oscillator tuned to 7.3 Hz or close to that (AC/DC?)
3. Tuned coil but not to nature, but rather to artificial oscillator produced stationary wave.

I think there will be no way to know except through experimentation which of the above is the correct answer.

The below supports number 2 or number 3 of above:
"Although it was not until 1954-1959 when experimental measurements
were made of the frequency that is propagated in the resonant cavity
surrounding the Earth, recent analysis shows that it was Nikola Tesla
who, in 1899, first noticed the existence of stationary waves in the
Schumann cavity. Tesla's experimental measurements of the wave length
and frequency involved closely match Schumann's theoretical
calculations. Some of these observations were made in 1899 while Tesla
was monitoring the electromagnetic radiations due to lightning
discharges in a thunderstorm which passed over his Colorado Springs
laboratory and then moved more than 200 miles eastward across the
plains. In his Colorado Springs Notes, Tesla noted that these
stationary waves "... can be produced with an oscillator," and added in
parenthesis, "This is of immense importance."
6 The importance of his
observations is due to the support they lend to the prime objective of
the Colorado Springs laboratory."

SM was/is a student of Tesla.  Only two people in the history of the planet have done what we are trying to reproduce (In this manner, anyway).  Tesla and SM. 

We must understand, and I feel that some do not, how much SM risked giving us the information that he has.  Perhaps even his own freedom.  Everything he told us was for the purpose of giving us the information to study, and then replicate his technology.  He pushed the envelope as far as he could with the information given. 

It is also obvious to me that he thought carefully over every word that he wrote.  He probably reread and edited each letter.  I read the clues with the knowledge that SM wants us to figure this out.  AND I think we are so close.  Let us help and assist one another to experiment with each clue mentioned in turn.  Either proving or disproving.

Thank you for your time,
Bruce 
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: BEP on July 02, 2007, 06:51:06 AM
As usual Bruce, you are very good at being open minded. That is something we all need here. After all, being a little 'loopy' is minor compared to trying to suck power from thin air  ;D

If any wish to have a glimpse of where some of my wild sounding theories came from please take a step into a small part of my past @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wullenweber.

I'm surprised that toroid antenna patent was dated as late as it is. Use of that arrangement has been around about 30 years that I know of. It is very interesting as they give great detail of how losses because of standing waves can be virtually eliminated. In effect - it can be made to approach the point of being all current with no voltage. I think this is the best point for maximum use of whatever magnetic field is being used.

I was on company time when I started that last post and was unable to finish the thought. Since, I have been building another coil design.

And I agree that the coil will not resonate at Schumann. The idea I failed to convey is that performance at any frequency of any device is not limited to the physical characteristics and that injection of a signal into a circuit can make that circuit perform better even if it cannot be 'tuned' to that frequency another way. As in 'Active Antennas'.

As I have stated before - the relationship that is important is between the coils not between the coils and the Earth. I may wind up wrong on that.

The use of COAX is NOT going to be a good idea at this stage. Maybe when we are ready for our first 30kW design?

The suggestion of coax was based upon the fact that when connected in the correct fashion - the line capacitance will almost completely cancel itself out. We don't need a tuned tank - we need the highest inductance obtainable. I also fell back on it because of a previous - somewhat successful experiment with an EMP device. The mistake made was it used much higher frequencies and power levels - but it was intended to produce a different result.

Aside from the above it would look like an SM TPU once the IGBTs were replaced with FETs, and the large caps and car battery were removed.

Going on how some things worked on that I have resurrected some of it.

The most striking difference between it and pics you all have posted are the control coils. I read the SM info again and what you show meets the description. However, I could not obtain rotation with control coils of that type and orientation. Mine were and now will be spiral wound as in drawing a dot and circling that dot in an ever increasing radius. The axis will be pointed into the center of the toroid arrangement and the control coil's extra diameter will be folded over the main coils like cheese melts over a hamburger.

I got that idea from the coils in the electron gun arrangement used on the neck of CRTs.

My basic belief is that these things work in a similar fashion as beam control on a picture tube. Two coils are used for 'direction/acceleration', two are used for horizontal and vertical control and one or two, all around the rest, are used to maintain the envelope. There are other variations.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on July 02, 2007, 07:08:21 AM
Ha!  Now that makes total sense.  Wullenweber-It also explains why you are the perfect man to assist us with this project! ;)

Please take pictures of your coil, BEP as you go.  I know you have only dial up but should you get something working it will be ready to be uploaded to our eager hands..  ;D

How do we apply your statement, "the relationship that is important is between the coils not between the coils and the Earth" to assist us in making our coils, or is that still a work in progress?

Warm regards,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: BEP on July 02, 2007, 08:47:04 AM
What did SM say? "I don't want to hear feedback about......"
You won't hear the feedback if it is above audible range ;)
"I know the difference between AM and FM"?? Haven't figured that one yet.
Altering the amplitude of varying frequencies or varying the frequency of alternating amplitudes??


As a regen radio feedsback the signal -slightly lagging(as in one wave pulling another wave) - to increase the amplitude of the incomming signal- maybe - just maybe - we will be injecting but leading instead of lagging to push the wave before. Something like 90 degrees out like the two small sisters in the Three Sisters thing.

Also, I do believe the two round heat sinks in the middle of the later open TPU were actually toroids (secondaries) for powering the solid state. The ceramic/epoxy shown (if it is) would have also conducted heat very well. If they were toroids - running control wires through the middle would have been a good way to suppress noise on the control lines.
I suspect the power from these secondaries would also have been setup to provide the trigger for the sequence. One FET would then trigger the other FET and back again. If correct this lends credence to two signals.
The PMs along the inner diameter would then be polarized either to direct rotation or direct particle flow through the center in a preferred direction.

Still just theory. It is taking me a while to rewind my control coils to match these lower freqs.

Please don't make me out as some kind of big plus yet Bruce. I see much better contributions by many others. Maybe I'll meet that challenge - who knows?
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: BEP on July 02, 2007, 09:18:15 AM
Since this thread is for theory and my brain is fried this time of the morn' here is one I haven't heard before.

From an old paper article I remember, about funny antiquated public laws...

It is still against the law to spit in front of a lady.
You aren't allowed to take a bite of your partner's hamburger in public.
You aren't allowed to walk or allow your dog to walk across a bridge????

The idea was that the gate of the walking dog - even such little force - was so perfectly timed that it would cause damage to the structure of the bridge or even cause collapse! Sounds stupid doesn't it?
Maybe we are just trying to drop a stone in the 'pool' of the EM field, repeat it at the correct frequency and then collect the resulting wave energy by induction??? That would explain why different freqs from different sized coils worked. That would also explain why SM had the dogs after him. HE WAS MAKING WAVES! ;D

Maybe the idea of a transmitter is not too far off or maybe it is time to go to bed.

Good night!
 
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: bob.rennips on July 02, 2007, 09:49:13 AM
What did SM say? "I don't want to hear feedback about......"
You won't hear the feedback if it is above audible range ;)

"I know the difference between AM and FM"?? Haven't figured that one yet.
Altering the amplitude of varying frequencies or varying the frequency of alternating amplitudes??

The Italian patent deals with "Varying the frequency of alternating amplitudes". The amplitudes being of high voltage. The pulses are so close together that they are alternatedly pulsed on two coils bifilar wound around a magnet. They describe burst of pulses followed by a pause followed by another burst of pulses. The pulse trains forming a maximum of 10% of the on time.

For example  Coil1:800V, Coil2 1100V, Coil1 850V, Coil2 1150V, PAUSE, repeat.

In other words this approximates to a high voltage DC offset square wave applied in repetitive bursts. Sort of AM and FM, in vague sort of way.

This is what started off the "Proof of concept - perturbing a static magnetic field" thread.

Problem we ran into was we couldn't generate the sharp high voltage pulses required..... 
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: BEP on July 02, 2007, 10:00:58 AM
Ah yes. The multiple squeezings of the water hose along with raising the hose as you walk the same direction as flow.

10% makes sense as a max. Only the leading edge is doing any real work. Much lower total power should be required.

And judging by another patent for the control it seems he was sending a series of pulses one way and then repeating them in reverse polarity the other way. Perhaps not both series at the same time. Yet another way to create rotational effects?

 
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: BEP on July 02, 2007, 06:47:41 PM
When I look at those amplitude numbers I see them as frequencies instead. Different sets for each coil. The relationship between the frequencies for each coil....

High amplitudes are better achieved by injecting a small pulse and relying upon the resulting -very high- amplitude of the BEMF.

Duty cycles sound like they should be as short as possible - as in an EMP device.
Could there be anything faster than the 'release' of the signal or higher than the amplitude of the BEMF when your field AND the Earth's magnetic field 'slap' back to zero?


A common practice in design was to use ceramic printed circuit boards and then pot them in ceramic potting material - as in the mix you get when you by an explosion proof conduit fitting - Class 1 Division I and II etc. by RobRoy

The most common material did not conduct heat at all - it also prevented extreme cold and changes in temperature from changing operational characteristics.

Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on July 03, 2007, 12:19:49 AM
I found these patents and think they can be of help.  Please take a look and comment:

Please read carefully. Especially the dual frequency patent.

Thank you,
Bruce

http://www.freshpatents.com/Current-sensor-with-magnetic-toroid-single-frequency-detection-scheme-dt20060831ptan20060192550.php

http://www.freshpatents.com/Current-sensor-with-magnetic-toroid-dual-frequency-detection-scheme-dt20060831ptan20060192549.php

http://www.google.com/patents?id=3RZ9AAAAEBAJ&printsec=drawing&zoom=4&dq=ininventor:David+ininventor:A+ininventor:Sandquist&as_drrb_ap=q&as_minm_ap=1&as_miny_ap=2007&as_maxm_ap=1&as_maxy_ap=2007&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=1&as_miny_is=2007&as_maxm_is=1&as_maxy_is=2007#PPP1,M1

http://www.freshpatents.com/Current-sensor-with-magnetic-toroid-dt20060831ptan20060192548.php
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on July 04, 2007, 09:04:59 AM
Hello All

Here is a "quick reference" of ALL of Teslas patents. 
To "look up" simply use the google link below, and put in the patent number where it asks.  No commas, only the numbers. 

http://www.google.com/advanced_patent_search

Please see reply #688 of the "successful tpu-ecd" thread.  It is what I also have been saying, and is said very well, indeed.

TESLA PATENTS:
                 MOTORS & GENERATORS
                 Preface to AC Motor/Generator Patents                   
THE PATENTS:
(Filing date)    (description)                              (pat. no.)
Mar. 30, 1886    Thermo-Magnetic Motor                       #396,121     
Jan. 14, 1886    Dynamo-Electric Machine                     #359,748     
May  26, 1887    Pyromagneto-Electric Generator              #428,057   
Oct. 12, 1887    Electro-Magnetic Motor                      #381,968   
Oct. 12, 1887    Electrical Transmission of Power            #382,280   
Nov. 30, 1887    Electro-Magnetic Motor                      #381,969   
Nov. 30, 1887    Electro-Magnetic Motor                      #382,279   
Nov. 30, 1887    Electrical Transmission of Power            #382,281   
Apr. 23, 1888    Dynamo-Electric Machine                     #390,414   
Apr. 28, 1888    Dynamo-Electric Machine                     #390,721   
May  15, 1888    Dynamo-Electric Machine or Motor            #390,415   
May  15, 1888    System of Electrical Transmission of Power  #487,796   
May  15, 1888    Electrical Transmission of Power            #511,915   
May  15, 1888    Alternating Motor                           #555,190   
Oct. 20, 1888    Electromagnetic Motor                       #524,426   
Dec.  8, 1888    Electrical Transmission of Power            #511,559   
Dec.  8, 1888    System of Electrical Power Transmission     #511,560   
Jan.  8, 1889    Electro-Magnetic Motor                      #405,858   
Feb. 18, 1889    Method of Operating Electro-Magnetic Motors #401,520   
Mar. 14, 1889    Method of Electrical Power Transmission     #405,859   
Mar. 23, 1889    Dynamo-Electric Machine                     #406,968   
Apr.  6, 1889    Electro-Magnetic Motor                      #459,772   
May  20, 1889    Electro-Magnetic Motor                      #416,191   
May  20, 1889    Method of Operating Electro-Magnetic Motors #416,192   
May  20, 1889    Electro-Magnetic Motor                      #416,193   
May  20, 1889    Electric Motor                              #416,194   
May  20, 1889    Electro-Magnetic Motor                      #416,195   
May  20, 1889    Electro-Magnetic Motor                      #418,248   
May  20, 1889    Electro-Magnetic Motor                      #424,036   
May  20, 1889    Electro-Magnetic Motor                      #445,207   
Mar. 26, 1890    Alternating-Current Electro-Magnetic Motor  #433,700   
Mar. 26, 1890    Alternating-Current Motor                   #433,701   
Apr.  4, 1890    Electro-Magnetic Motor                      #433,703   
Jan. 27, 1891    Electro-Magnetic Motor                      #455,067   
July 13, 1891    Electro-Magnetic Motor                      #464,666   
Aug. 19, 1893    Electric Generator                          #511,916   

                 TRANSFORMERS, CONVERTERS, COMPONENTS

                 Preface to Patented Electrical Components             
THE PATENTS:
(filing date)    (description)                              (pat. no.)
May   6, 1885    Commutator for Dynamo-Electric Machines     #334,823   
May  18, 1885    Regulator for Dynamo-Electric Machines      #336,961   
June  1, 1885    Regulator for Dynamo-Electric Machines      #336,962   
Jan. 14, 1886    Regulator for Dynamo-Electric Machines      #350,954   
Apr. 30, 1887    Commutator for Dynamo-Electric Machines     #382,845   
Dec. 23, 1887    System of Electrical Distribution           #381,970   
Dec. 23, 1887    Method of Converting and Distributing
                 Electric Currents                           #382,282   
Apr. 10, 1888    System of Electrical Distribution           #390,413   
Apr. 24, 1888    Regulator for Alternate-Current Motors      #390,820   
June 12, 1889    Method of Obtaining Direct from
                 Alternating Currents                        #413,353   
June 28, 1889    Armature for Electric Machines
                 (Tesla-Schmid, co-inventors)                #417,794   
Mar. 26, 1890    Electrical Transformer or Induction Device  #433,702   
Aug.  1, 1891    Electrical Condenser                        #464,667   
Jan.  2, 1892    Electrical Conductor                        #514,167   
July  7, 1893    Coil for Electro-Magnets                    #512,340   
June 17, 1896    Electrical Condenser                        #567,818   
Nov.  5, 1896    Man. of Electrical Condensers, Coils, &c.   #577,671   
Mar. 20, 1897    Electrical Transformer                      #593,138   


                 HIGH FREQUENCY
                 Preface to Patents in High Frequency                   

THE PATENTS:
(filing date)    (description)                              (pat. no.)
Nov. 15, 1890    Alternating-Electric-Current Generator      #447,921   
Feb.  4, 1891    Method of and Apparatus for Electrical
                 Conversion and Distribution                 #462,418   
Aug.  2, 1893    Means for Generating Electric Currents      #514,168   
Apr. 22, 1896    Apparatus for Producing Electric Currents
                 of High Frequency and Potential             #568,176   
June 20, 1896    Method of Regulating Apparatus for
                 Producing Currents of High Frequency        #568,178   
July  6, 1896    Method of and Apparatus for Producing
                 Currents of High Frequency                  #568,179   
July  9, 1896    Apparatus for Producing Electrical
                 Currents High Frequency                     #568,180   
Sept. 3, 1896    Apparatus for Producing Electric
                 Currents of High Frequency                  #577,670 
Oct. 19, 1896    Apparatus for Producing Currents of High
                 Frequency                                   #583,953   
June  3, 1897    Electric-Circuit Controller                 #609,251   
Dec.  2, 1897    Electrical-Circuit Controller               #609,245   
Dec. 10, 1897    Electrical-Circuit Controller               #611,719 
Feb. 28, 1898    Electric-Circuit Controller                 #609,246 
Mar. 12, 1898    Electric-Circuit Controller                 #609,247 
Mar. 12, 1898    Electric-Circuit Controller                 #609,248 
Mar. 12, 1898    Electric-Circuit Controller                 #609,249 
Apr. 19, 1898    Electric-Circuit Controller                 #613,735 
                 RADIO
                 Preface to The Radio Patents                           
THE PATENTS:
(filing date)    (description)                              (pat. no.)
Sept. 2, 1897   System of Transmission of Electrical
                Energy                                       #645,576   
Sept. 2, 1897   Apparatus for Transmission of Electrical
                Energy                                       #649,621   
July  1, 1898   Method of and Apparatus for Controlling
                Mechanism of Moving Vessels or Vehicles      #613,809   
June 24, 1899   Apparatus for Utilizing Effects Transmitted
                from a Distance to a Receiving Device
                Through Natural Media                        #685,955   
June 24, 1899   Method of Intensifying and Utilizing
                Effects Transmitted Through Natural Media    #685,953   
Aug.  1, 1899   Method of Utilizing Effects Transmitted
                Through Natural Media                        #685,954   
Aug.  1, 1899   Apparatus for Utilizing Effects
                Transmitted Through Natural Media            #685,956   
May  16, 1900   Art of Transmitting Electrical Energy
                Through the Natural Mediums                  #787,412   
July 16, 1900   Method of Signaling                          #723,188   
July 16, 1900   System of Signaling                          #725,605   
Jan. 18, 1902   Apparatus for Transmitting Electrical
                Energy                                     #1,119,732   

                LIGHTING
Preface to The Lighting Patents                                         
THE PATENTS:
(filing date)   (description)                               (pat. no.)
Mar. 30, 1885   Electric-Arc Lamp                            #335,786   
July 13, 1886   Electric-Arc Lamp                            #335,787   
Oct.  1, 1890   Method of Operating Arc Lamps                #447,920   
Apr. 25, 1891   System of Electric Lighting                  #454,622   
May  14, 1891   Electric Incandescent Lamp                   #455,069   
Jan.  2, 1892   Incandescent Electric Light                  #514,170   


                MEASUREMENTS & METERS
                Preface to Patents for Measurement 6, Meters           

THE PATENTS:
(filing date)   (description)                                (pat. no.)
Mar. 27, 1891   Electrical Meter                             #455,068   
Dec. 15, 1893   Electrical Meter                             #514,973   
May  29, 1914   Speed-Indicator                            #1,209,359   
Dec. 18, 1916   Speed-Indicator                            #1,274,816   
Dec. 18, 1916   Ship's Log                                 #1,314,718   
Dec. 18, 1916   Flow-Meter                                 #1,365,547   
Dec. 18, 1916   Frequency Meter                            #1,402,025   


                ENGINES & PROPULSION
                Preface to Patents for Engines & Propulsion             

THE PATENTS:
(filing date)   (description)                               (pat. no.)
Jan.  2, 1892   Electric-Railway System                      #514,972   
Aug. 19, 1893   Reciprocating Engine                         #514,169   
Dec. 29, 1893   Steam-Engine                                 #517,900   
Oct. 21, 1909   Fluid Propulsion                           #1,061,142   
Oct. 21, 1909   Turbine                                    #1,061,206   
Sept. 9, 1921   Method of Aerial Transportation            #1,655,113   
Oct.  4, 1927   Apparatus for Aerial Transportation        #1,655,114   


                VARIOUS DEVICES & PROCESSES
                Preface to Various Devices & Processes                 

THE PATENTS:
(Filing date)   (description)                               (pat. no.)
June 17, 1896   Apparatus for Producing Ozone                #568,177   
Feb. 17, 1897   Electrical Igniter for Gas-Engines           #609,250   
Mar. 21, 1900   Means for Increasing the Intensity of
                Electrical Oscillations                      #685,012   
June 15, 1900   Method of Insulating Electric Conductors     #655,838   
Sept.21, 1900   Method of Insulating Electric Conductors
                (reissue of #655,838)                         #11,865   
Mar. 21, 1901   Apparatus for the Utilization of Radiant
                Energy                                       #685,957   
Mar. 21, 1901   Method of Utilizing Radiant Energy           #685,958   
Oct. 28, 1913   Fountain                                   #1,113,716   
Feb. 21, 1916   Vaivular Conduit                           #1,329,559   
May   6, 1916   Lightning-Protector                        #1,266,175   
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: weri812 on July 08, 2007, 12:35:50 AM
@ all

the new thread is here


http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2661.0.html
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on July 18, 2007, 10:28:41 AM
I had to take this baby out of early retirement tonight!  LOL

I just woke up, it is 2:30am.  And I think I know how SM did the open faced TPU.

I think that he used two conductor lamp chord.  And capacitively/in one conductor he ran his HIGH voltage DC Bias, and in each of the others, a frequency.  It was set up as four phase.  It was an "early" version.

Under those "seen" wires, are other much smaller wire, that is not seen.  These are the collectors, through induction wired for output.  He had that fluorescent starter, to provide the HV Bias, and I bet his bias was pulsed also.  Can you disable the effects of the flux, with a HV pulse?

The circuit potential IS the DC bias, hooked capacitively to the frequencies.  We see this in the Boyce device, but different.  B.B. uses only 160 volts to maintain better control.  Dr. Mark, mentioned the same thing.  The rule will be, the higher the bias voltage (not amperage!) the more power will be generated. 

Lastly, the wires of SM's "primaries", those wires with the Kilo Hertz frequency, end. Why?  This is the clue that Tao got right, so long ago that amazed SM.  To quote Tao:

"...This kick came out of the wires perpendicularly.
He dischargered capacitors into stout wire and through a spark gap.
The key to the kick's strength and appearance was in how fast tesla
discharged the capacitors into the spark gap AND how fast Tesla STOPPED
the flow of current AT the spark gap.
Tesla used all types of devices to stop this flow of current, magnets, a
flame, counter-rotating engines.
His goals were to get the time in which the discharge is STOPPED to be
much quicker.
As Tesla did this he found that the perpendicular radiations, the ones from
the wires, caused electrical effects to appear in wires and other
copper/metal materials near the STOPPED current/discharge.
These electrical effects could be made to create electrons on other wires
and copper around his STOPPED current/discharge wire.
So, based on those things, lets look at the Mark device.
Lets say Steven put one big stout cable around or in the rings,and all
around these he had many many windings.
Now, if Steven put into that stout cable a current and before the current
could get to the end of the wire, he stopped it's flow abruptly, then
perpendicular radiations (the KICKS), the same Tesla observed, would
appear and spread from this stout cable, this would cause Tesla'a copper
charging effect, which would hit all the other wires in Steven's coils.
Now, if Steven wired the coils right and stopped the discharge of the
current through the coils he would be able to extract a lot of extra energy
from the tap points on the coils.
This is basically how Tesla's magnifying transmitter works..."

SM replied:
Lindsay, this guy definitely has the secret.
I do not know if he will be able to duplicate power generation, but he does
have the secret.
Do you think he knows it?
The only part he doesn't have any idea about is that by starting
the oscillation you cause the current to flow in the collector which
causes the magnification of the process within the collector which
will ultimately produce the greater voltage and power in usable
amounts during operation.

It was the above that first made me think about a spark gap, so very long ago. 
But no, the answer is simpler it would seem.  ALL the primaries wires end.  Are Stopped  They will be connected to nothing.  And I would also say that perhapse the HV pulses for the bias also end. Are "Stopped".  These all combine through induction, within the collector causing the current to flow.  As the current flows through the collector, it
will ultimately produce the greater voltage and power in usable amounts during operation.


This would also explain why "three" collectors.  one for each frequency/bias combination.  These three collectors are then wired at the "output" either in series, in parallel or both, for the usable current!

This is also how come SM states, "The multiple frequencies traveling around the coils are of too high a frequency to provide for any motive effort.  They are only a means to achieve an end.  The multiple frequencies begin to feed themselves and the multiple kicks become a combined big kick.  I call it resonating."

The big kick is by induction within the collector.  I do not believe the "primaries" went to ground.  I also now, wonder what would happen if the primaries on the Bob B. TPU do not go to ground.  But simply, END.  We will find out!  ;)  I also wonder if in the SM style TPU what would happen within the collector if both the bias AND primaries simply END.

That is what I woke up thinking about.  ("The TPU, the breakfast of Champions!")

Blessings,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Super God on July 18, 2007, 07:29:05 PM
I was thinking along the lines of a constant DC bias instead of a pulsed one.  I guess I'll find out once everything is set up.  Lot's of setups to try...
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: joe dirt on July 18, 2007, 09:58:20 PM
Finally got some free time, Woohoo ;D,   Hey bruce check out this video:


http://www.livevideo.com/video/genefire/5607355AD38D4D2D8AF75BF7A8BCC75C/excellent-500-kv-electricity-a.aspx

Man, talk about opening the switch! Phew :o

Dirt
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Motorcoach1 on July 19, 2007, 12:15:26 AM
@ Bruce , Sm Tpu about the capicitor when fired into the primarys and BEMF resulting . ok heres another look mmmm when steve said to stop the pulse when or before it hits the end of the wire.  If the capacitor was unloaded (no Charge in it ) then when the pulse would stop when the fet was entergized and the cap then would be a vacume cleaner sucking back the current and stopping the pulse very abruply , but not as to reversing the electrons just stopping it dead. toggle between 2 caps mmm just a thought. Mike  ???       On Teslas single wire antenna , the primarys were laid next the the mains and were not connected as I have read it , so BB may have someting , I agrre  :) buy ya gotta stop the pulse mmmmmm
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on July 19, 2007, 02:17:46 AM
@ SG

It may be a "steady' bias as B.B. has in his.  BUT it would be worth experimenting for sure!

@ Joe Dirt
That was funny!  A little more oomph than I had in mind!   ;D  LOL

@ Mike

I understand that.  But I think this could also be part of it.  Especially with the primaries, and possibly with the bias.  When you realize what it is doing, you can see how pulsing it also with HV would help and then the collector there to "collect" through induction! 

The right circuit potention, a few short pieces of wire and frequency and we have power!  DC HV pulsed (maybe) bias, in one conductor, frequency in conductor next to it, and collector for collecting induction, and it might also be fed the oscillations as well!  And power.

Cheers,  :)
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: MarkSnoswell on July 19, 2007, 02:34:04 AM
... Under those "seen" wires, are other much smaller wire, that is not seen.  These are the collectors, through induction wired for output... 

The circuit potential IS the DC bias, hooked capacitively to the frequencies.  We see this in the Boyce device, but different.  B.B. uses only 160 volts to maintain better control.  Dr. Mark, mentioned the same thing.  The rule will be, the higher the bias voltage (not amperage!) the more power will be generated.  ...

But no, the answer is simpler it would seem.  All the primaries wires end.  Are Stopped  They will be connected to nothing.  And I would also say that perhapse the HV pulses for the bias also end. Are "Stopped".  These all combine through induction, within the collector causing the current to flow.  As the current flows through the collector, it will ultimately produce the greater voltage and power in usable amounts during operation.

This would also explain why "three" collectors.  one for each frequency/bias combination.  These three collectors are then wired at the "output" either in series, in parallel or both, for the usable current!

This is also how come SM states, "The multiple frequencies traveling around the coils are of too high a frequency to provide for any motive effort.  They are only a means to achieve an end.  The multiple frequencies begin to feed themselves and the multiple kicks become a combined big kick.  I call it resonating."

The big kick is by induction within the collector.  I do not believe the "primaries" went to ground.  I also now, wonder what would happen if the primaries on the Bob B. TPU do not go to ground.  But simply, END.  We will find out!  ;)  I also wonder if in the SM style TPU what would happen within the collector if both the bias AND primaries simply END.

Very good -- It's a simple but different concept to get used to. Primaries can be left open ended. Bob Boyce confirmed this for his device here

... It was great to see you mention the open ended primaries. I have been trying to convey exactly this concept ... in order to do this, the power FET driving the open ended coils would have to be loaded in order to be able to dissipate the pulse potential as quickly as possible. This is the reason I just complete the DC path through the primaries, as it can be so much easier to do, as long as the drive pulses can be kept short enough to switch off before much primary current can begin to flow.

You are 100% correct in that the higher the DC bias potential, the greater the energy gain possible. The only reason I limit to the 160 VDC region in that common unit is because it is the voltage requirement of the load that unit was designed to power. By the way, I had that same replicator run a test by installing a DC blocking capacitor in series with a 120 volt load, raise the DC bias potential, and watch the output climb while no additional load was placed on the power supply. I think he finally may have learned something about the potential of DC potential ;-)

cheers

Mark.

Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Motorcoach1 on July 19, 2007, 07:02:56 AM
DR mark  all that is good but you have to remernber ( i guess your't born then ) we didn't have all this modern convenceincen )  our diode was a gap the back Bemf was a curve (croma) remember  heveyside(1889) that the 3td wave was congagate , mmmm   KISS  1 ring advance at 25 degree rule has more than the Elk hart exp  .. less than 25 milleie ampeies mmmmmm not the hv that everyone thinks about . misdirection ,,, it;s just the math in  lenior not ,,,,, my hart breakes mmmmm and you were thinking the 4 dimention mmm 6 ...when you give a part you have togive up something else  in nature no trade offs .
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Motorcoach1 on July 19, 2007, 07:29:01 AM
@ bruce sorry for the foward info ,,, i'm stuk mm but tahts ok i;m still desifring information on this level ,,  in all the attachments and our good guest that toatal amazed was was DR Snoswell  we have in somethind in our fourm that is over most folks head and have someting that is so valuable that we have the best in the world !! this an a achecvment  , TPU is the dirctment , but i can say one thing , might be off the subject as BEP  and DR Snoswell and I have thought about ,m the side effects taht go with  it.  in Maxwells 16 and heveyside the demition exists  ' I porsonlaly demonstrated that!!  in 1974 , i find this appoling . MIB sencored .. be pacient good things happen  ;D mmm say we do this and it happens  ,,,, is it going to change the world we live in ,,,m mm now i had to think about that many years ago ,,, but geezzz who what of thought 4 bits back then would have changed the world !!!
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Motorcoach1 on July 19, 2007, 07:55:46 AM
 how to charge a battery bak wards .....take a coil wind it 2 inches 08 wire , wrap (jacked) on top 2nd winding>>always these same way>>> 3ed windig >>> 4th winding . this is the secondary winding , now the winding are the first wind is longer than the 2nd and the 3td is longer thatn the 4th , were lookking for the high side of the Kick and take the top off like a chopper wave that feeds the cpa on the loerer side and feeds back the lower current the the power suuply ... the capcitor feeds the primary to the Fet , thr fet in the 2nd cap suck the power back to stop the pulse (open ended ) all windings will stop at the event of the cap discharged  gaing power ( just like chargeing a battery but backwards )
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Motorcoach1 on July 19, 2007, 08:09:32 AM
me again ,, if you have 25 000 volts in RMF that may relate to 35 millie amps , no wattage no amps  :D the electric  motive force in microwave an be and is so conridable  that is is dumped as non usable in the power , like natural gas off an oil pump... mmmm  we got hosed again mmmmm so why do we throw this away ,,, mmmmmm geee if i had a capisiotr that was discharged ... i'd have the perfect electrical vacume cleaner for that leingth of wire  ,,, mmm
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: BEP on July 20, 2007, 06:28:32 AM
@MC

Were you an Oxymoron too?

Your mind is running a hundred miles an hour and I can't keep up!
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on July 21, 2007, 06:47:33 AM
Hello All,

Some one sent my researcher a patent of what sounds like an 1888 type of TPU. (from  Page 3 #80 to the end.  Special emphasis on page 4 #10 - #25.  The rotating magnetic field.  Then entire thing reads very well to gain some understanding of what is transpiring and how, in the collectors.

Tonight I will present it for thought and or discussion.  I think sometimes we all can read through things with a glance and this deserves much more than that.  You will see similitudes to SM TPU as well as Bob Boyce's. 

By the way, Cores are on order, awaiting production, Silver plated solid wire is being sourced, just awaiting the recommended gauge.  Controller is being designed...I'd have to say that all is well in TPU Land!   ;D  And in the meantime, we learn and experiment.

Type of TPU 1888? TESLA  


Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Motorcoach1 on July 21, 2007, 08:48:27 AM
BEP oky doky I've benn called that but not in that order heehe maybe morion butt thats ok wit me ,, on yhe order of MIT gezz  i guess thaere getting it right ,,,       DR Snoswell and DR webber the mag units in troide amps ahve to be out of phaze ,music do ra me fa so la te do the me is the harmonic of fa it is the freq thats can side with that if so is side in upper phaze then the rime may be completed,  mmm DR Snoswell  m I just wondered how you ame up with that helical 3 phaze wind mm seems that's kinda MM amd MD and got lost mmmm I really haven't thought about that in years. I'm lost now but i'm back hhehehe, nnnaaaa we domn'y go there again ... Mike
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: eldarion on July 21, 2007, 08:53:06 AM
DC HV pulsed (maybe) bias, in one conductor ....

Bruce,

I have had one question for a while now with regards to the DC HV potential--for some reason, I am just not understanding this.  For a potential to exist, it must be measured against some ground energy level.  Where is this ground state in the conductor?

Are we talking about a potential with repect to the wire that a frequency is being pumped through?  As in that wire is close to ground potential (excepting the high-frequency AC signal), and that is the same ground that the high voltage bias' ground is connected to?

I am posing this question very badly; please see attached picture for what I am thinking.  Is this correct?

Thanks!

Eldarion
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Motorcoach1 on July 21, 2007, 09:04:00 AM
ELarourn use the cap as a tank and diode the positive  , or use doido and a 500 ohme resistor bridged and see id the transit time improves . just a test thing  mmm then adjust the circut ,  is the cap 47mf or better ? then 620 res or lower the cap to 20
Title: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Earl on July 21, 2007, 10:09:52 AM
Hi Eldarion,

Here is how I visulize the TPU layout with HV static bias.

Regards, Earl
DC HV pulsed (maybe) bias, in one conductor ....
Bruce,
I have had one question for a while now with regards to the DC HV potential--for some reason, I am just not understanding this.  For a potential to exist, it must be measured against some ground energy level.  Where is this ground state in the conductor?

Are we talking about a potential with repect to the wire that a frequency is being pumped through?  As in that wire is close to ground potential (excepting the high-frequency AC signal), and that is the same ground that the high voltage bias' ground is connected to?

I am posing this question very badly; please see attached picture for what I am thinking.  Is this correct?

Thanks!  Eldarion
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2 -- DC BIAS
Post by: MarkSnoswell on July 21, 2007, 02:04:25 PM
@ALL

DC Bias ... no, you have it in the wrong place. You want DC bias on the secondary (collector). You don't want or need any bias on the primaries.

You then isolate the secondary from the load with an isolation transformer.

The reason for DC bias is to make the electrons in the secondary behave as a single collective. Here is the explanation to support that claim http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2764.msg40618.html#msg40618

clear now?

Someone PM me with the link for a good curcuit drawing program and I will illustrate that.

cheers

mark.
Title: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Earl on July 21, 2007, 02:06:52 PM
Hi Mark,

maybe it is not clear in my drawing.

My HV electrodes are outside both primary and secondary, putting a static DC bias
across both.

Earl
Title: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Earl on July 21, 2007, 02:14:29 PM
Hi Mark,

here is the latest version of my reply to Eldarion.

Earl
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: MarkSnoswell on July 21, 2007, 02:23:22 PM
@Earl

Bias -- no, still no good. the Bias needs to be in the secondary winding directly. It needs excess electrons in the actual wire -- not just to be in a static field. It's the absolute excess of electrons (or depletion) that will start to make the electrons behave collectivly. You just float up the secondary with a single ended bias which can be connected just about anywhere to the secondary.

cheers

Mark.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: MarkSnoswell on July 21, 2007, 02:32:00 PM
ah... as people are sluthing and coming up with all sorts of ideas I thought I'd add to the confusion... this is from a post I just added to my thread here... http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2764.msg41019.html#msg41019




AH -- what the heck... Here are two configurations that I came up with a while ago to create spin resonators.

To be clear -- these are concepts that I came up with completly independantly from any "detective" or replication work. I devised these entierly based on my work on quaternion spinors.

I dont know if this would work -- they are just concepts. However I put them up here as they seem to have a great deal in common with things being discussed. However -- look **caerfully at the winding directions. There are aspects to these that differ significantly from what people are discussing and from what classical experience would suggest **note the counter wound arangements.

cheers

Mark.
Title: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Earl on July 21, 2007, 02:49:44 PM
Hi Mark,

is this any better?

I am having trouble with "single-ended" static bias.

Just saw your newest images and will look at them now.

Earl
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: MarkSnoswell on July 21, 2007, 03:11:33 PM
@Earl

Yes -- thats right. A few notes now you have it in the right place:

1. Start with low biases -- just 50 V and go up slowly... the effect should rise non linearly so be caerfull going to higher voltages.

2. It's just a staic bias -- so you can deliver it through a high resistance -- M ohm or more. This will isolate the bias from the secondary to a degree. The only reason for a lower resistance is if you are going to modulate the bias -- in which case you just need to make sure you can deliver enough current to overcome any capacitance in the secondary and drive it to the intended bias voltage.

3. You still need to add the isolation transformer between the secondary and the load.

and remember that this is not gospel ... it's based on aparently solid principals. It's not hard to impliment and the isolation transformer on the output will add a saftey factor to your designs -- so plan to test and tune everything and let experimental evidence be the final arbiter of design.

mark,
Title: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Earl on July 21, 2007, 03:38:36 PM
Hi Mark,

anything to say against the following version?

Earl
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on July 21, 2007, 03:39:34 PM
@ Eldarion

I agree with Earl's latest picture, except, the primary needs to be open ended.  From the frequency generator, around, and then ending, as you drew.  It does not go to ground.  I am talking of the "green" line in Earl's drawing. 

According to Tesla, my other idea of an "open ended" bias, with pulses will not work.  It would still be fun to experiment with, just to say it was tried.  The bias would be as Earl has it drawn, but again, would not go to ground.  We know the primary works like that, because Bob Boyce confirmed that in a recent post.   Hmm....It would be a good experiment with the bias also open ended.  These would then be wrapped around the toroid.  The "other" low voltage bias around the circumferance and the primary perpindicular.   It is this "second" LOW voltage bias I would attempt to leave open ended, as an experiment, NOT the HIGH voltage bias running through the collectors.  At least in some tpu designs. 

@  Earl
Thank you very much for taking the time to draw it out!

@ Mark
Thank you for explaining it so clearly.  I do believe you are correct that the bias is "static".  I just think it would be an "easy" experiment to open end the bias and pump up the juice, "slowly" and see if there is a change in current or over all "wattage" in the collector.

Warm regards, and happy experimenting,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on July 21, 2007, 04:55:08 PM
S.M's Open faced TPU

I picture the coils interactions as shown below.

"circuit potential, short pieces of wire and frequency..."

Sorry it is not 3D.   :D  I will leave that to Dr. Mark  LOL

Warm regards,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: eldarion on July 21, 2007, 08:52:58 PM
Let's see if I finally got this right.  It looks a lot like the open TPU if I were to make the windings only cover 90? of the collector and replicate the bottom ground plate to the top...  (which also explains the function of the plates on the open TPU?)

All grounds are tied together to that bottom plate, including the signal generator (or should I call it the high frequency high voltage spike generator?)  The only "ground" that is NOT tied to the bottom plate is the collector's (-) terminal.

Nowhere near as pretty as Mark's 3D drawings, but I figured I would give it a shot. ;D

Eldarion

EDIT:  Ah, shoot, I already found a bug.  The collector coil should also be tied to the + high voltage terminal.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on July 21, 2007, 09:05:48 PM
@ Eldarion

Very nice drawing. ;)  But no.  In my drawing I have 2 conductor lamp chord at 90 degrees, linked capacitively.  1 conductor for the HV DC bias which would then connect to the collector which is at 90 degrees.  The other conductor simply has the High Frequency, open ended or diode. There would be 4 (four of these complete segment around the open faced TPU.) The phase between each frequency would be 90 degrees.  NO HV in the "primaries" ONLY HF (high frequency oscillations)  The top and bottom plates are probably aluminum painted with a black varnish.

Nothing goes to ground, except I guess the low voltage "static" bias. The HF primary, open ended or diode, same effect.  Collector goes to load.

Tonight I will draw out how I believe SM wired the 6" TPU.  A bit different and three phase.

Cheers,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: eldarion on July 21, 2007, 09:39:17 PM
Nothing goes to ground...

Bruce,

No offense, but this is where I am having a problem.  For a potential to exist, it must be measured with respect to a ground.  If you just hook up the high voltage wire from a +15Kv to a coil, you might say that that coil is at +15Kv, and I might say that that coil is actually at zero potential and that the disconnected ground lead on the HV generator is at -15Kv.  See the problem? ;D

I think you are definitely correct on the other points.  Personally, if the plates were "grounded" (close to zero potential with respect to the earth), then it would explain why he could pick the device up without being zapped.

I also wonder if there should be a DC isolation system on the collector (as Mark and others mentioned), and if the ouput of the DC isolation system should have one end connected to "ground".  This might explain the function of the small toroid(s) or transformers that seem to be present on all the TPUs.

I will experiment with these concepts and report back--I think that might be the only way to find out who is right here. ;)

Eldarion
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: turbo on July 21, 2007, 10:53:44 PM


Tonight I will draw out how I believe SM wired the 6" TPU.  A bit different and three phase.

Cheers,
Bruce

nice then i can compare them to my drawings i made in the verry beginning.

Marco.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: eldarion on July 21, 2007, 11:09:03 PM
One other note regarding the DC bias--could this be how it works?

I have attached a graph with four traces--two voltage traces and two power traces if that voltage were to be applied across a one ohm resistor.  As you can see, the power ouput with bias is much higher--about two times higher.

If nothing else, it's interesting to see...

Eldarion
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on July 22, 2007, 04:08:28 AM
@ Eldarion

There need to be "two" seperate bias's.  Such as I believe it also was in SM's TPU.  One is low voltage "static, the other at 90 degrees is HV.  Where to put the ground for the HV in the collector, you will just have to experiment.  My question is this.  If it is "possible" to have the HF in the primaries open ended, why not the HV?  But I do not know, as that was a thought I had.  But you must have TWO bias, seperate from each other.  The frequencies act on these, as they "rotate" CCW (northern hemisphere) 90 degrees out of phase from one another.  I am STRICTLY speakin of SM's open faced four coil tpu.  The Aluminum aided the vortex.  If you notice the "few winds" on each primary".  LV static bias + HV bias + HF rotating CCW through phase = TPU.  It is actually simple.  Now, making the controller to do what you need to do is another story.  No wonder SM said they made about three hundred coils in different configurations and trashed them because they were not the "best" configuration.

The only person I know who has actually "done this" has a TPU.  ;)  So all other points are moot!  Those doing this will have "working" tpu's before long, while others ignore and play.  But such is life in a forum, I guess.  Most, really are not good listeners.  No wonder these guys with the wisdom, stay so frustrated.

Cheers,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on July 22, 2007, 06:20:34 AM
Good evening, to all of TPU Land!

We must remember to put real copper in our wires.  Pictures and theory give direction.  Experimentation gives confirmation.  ;)

Okay, here is my hard drawn picture of the SM 6" TPU.  Hmmm....Same coil interactions, but different mechanics (the way the toroid is wound) from the open faced TPU.  Fits all clues perfect, even to the mechanics. 

If someone thinks this is worthy to be drawn proper, it will not hurt my feelings.

Warm regards, and happy controller designing.  (Controller is the "hard" part.)
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: turbo on July 22, 2007, 07:38:32 AM
hmm Okay, so you are a one turn collector fan.....
you know we do have a quote where Steven talks about the turnS in the collector.
and how does your setup match the picking up of the hose?

M.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: joe dirt on July 22, 2007, 07:43:21 AM
Hey Bruce

you might use a circuit from scanner or lcd screen that powers the flourescent bulb,
 (used and junky ones are cheap) as your h.v. bias,  course you will have to rectify
 it.  maybe it will save some time for ya!

Good Inventing!
Dirt
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: joe dirt on July 22, 2007, 07:50:10 AM
Let's see if I finally got this right.  It looks a lot like the open TPU if I were to make the windings only cover 90? of the collector and replicate the bottom ground plate to the top...  (which also explains the function of the plates on the open TPU?)

All grounds are tied together to that bottom plate, including the signal generator (or should I call it the high frequency high voltage spike generator?)  The only "ground" that is NOT tied to the bottom plate is the collector's (-) terminal.

Nowhere near as pretty as Mark's 3D drawings, but I figured I would give it a shot. ;D

Eldarion

Actually that is quite good!  doing a helix in 3d is not that easy ;D (unless the software
  has an automatic feature)  Nice work anyway.

Dirt
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: eldarion on July 22, 2007, 09:13:42 AM
@ Eldarion

There need to be "two" seperate bias's.  Such as I believe it also was in SM's TPU.  One is low voltage "static, the other at 90 degrees is HV.  Where to put the ground for the HV in the collector, you will just have to experiment.  My question is this.  If it is "possible" to have the HF in the primaries open ended, why not the HV?  But I do not know, as that was a thought I had.  But you must have TWO bias, seperate from each other.  The frequencies act on these, as they "rotate" CCW (northern hemisphere) 90 degrees out of phase from one another.  I am STRICTLY speakin of SM's open faced four coil tpu.  The Aluminum aided the vortex.  If you notice the "few winds" on each primary".  LV static bias + HV bias + HF rotating CCW through phase = TPU.  It is actually simple.  Now, making the controller to do what you need to do is another story.  No wonder SM said they made about three hundred coils in different configurations and trashed them because they were not the "best" configuration.

The only person I know who has actually "done this" has a TPU.  ;)  So all other points are moot!  Those doing this will have "working" tpu's before long, while others ignore and play.  But such is life in a forum, I guess.  Most, really are not good listeners.  No wonder these guys with the wisdom, stay so frustrated.

Cheers,
Bruce

Bruce, I think I finally understand.  Thank you for taking the time to explain it again; I am trying my best to listen!  This whole "open-ended coils" thing is quite foreign to me right now. ;D

As far as getting a controller to do what is needed, I may be able to do that relatively quickly.  Would pulsed HF work I wonder, or does it have to be pure sinusoidal?

I have a +15Kv homebrew HVDC generator standing by... :D  In what range would the LVDC bias have to be?

I'll see if I can get another 3D picture together of the open-faced TPU concept, but it'll have to wait until tommorow, as I need some sleep.

Eldarion
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on July 22, 2007, 11:43:48 AM
Hi Eldarion,

Low and High voltage.  I would guess 12.5 for the low.  And I would start SLOW, like 200 Volts for the High.  That can be SLOWLY raised to see the effect.  We do not want to shut down all of your and your neighbors electronic equipment by starting off to high.  Not to mention any names... (GK!  LOL)

I would "pulse" the HF as we have all been doing with the ECD.  Speed, speed.
The load out put is through the collectors for the 6", wired in series, parallel or both depending on what you need, more amps or more volts. 

If I were you, I would concentrate more on the 6" TPU.  The open faced TPU is far more complex, involving magnet stacks, the aluminum slit in just the right place, etc.

@ Joe
Thanks for the tips!

Cheers,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: eldarion on July 22, 2007, 07:48:21 PM
If I were you, I would concentrate more on the 6" TPU.  The open faced TPU is far more complex, involving magnet stacks, the aluminum slit in just the right place, etc.

Will do...I had originally thought that the open-faced TPU was simpler, but I guess not. :)
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: eldarion on July 23, 2007, 03:20:50 AM
Attached is a 3D rendering of how I think the 6" TPU should be wound, according to my understanding of Bruce's drawing.

RED: open-ended HF and HV bias
YELLOW: open-ended low voltage bias
GREEN: HF and HV bias
BLUE: Three independent coils with one at HF 1x, one at HF 2x, and one at HF 3x.

The top collector (red wire) contains HF at 1x
The middle collector (red wire) contains HF at 2x
The bottom collector (red wire) contains HF at 3x

Is this correct?  How do I tap power from the coil when there is HV bias and HF on the collector wires?

Thanks,

Eldarion
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on July 23, 2007, 04:38:11 AM
Hi eldarion,

Really nice picture!  Very nice.  But let me make a few minor corrections in your legend if I may.

RED: open-ended HF and HV bias
Correct.  CW in the collectors if you are in the northern hemisphere
YELLOW: open-ended low voltage bias
Make the yellow simply a "static" low voltage bias, forget open ended for now on anything but the primaries.
GREEN: HF and HV bias
Green ONLY has HV bias.
BLUE: Three independent coils with one at HF 1x, one at HF 2x, and one at HF 3x.
Windings need to be "tight".  They must make a "perfectly symetrical" Y, when looking down from the top of the TPU.
Pulses set off at 120 degrees rotating CCW

The top collector (red wire) contains HF at 1x
The middle collector (red wire) contains HF at 2x
The bottom collector (red wire) contains HF at 3x
Yes, the three collectors, these fire in counter rotation 120 degrees, to the primaries and provide a perpindicular field for the particles.

Hmmm, two rotating fields opposite directions at over 2 million RPM.  Now that should provide some inertia, gyroscopic motion, vibration, etc.   ;D

Happy Days!  :)
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: eldarion on July 23, 2007, 07:54:33 AM
Here is an updated 3D render that I think more clearly illustrates the desired topology.

Note that the green coils should be wound more tightly in reality; they are wound loosely here so that you can see the underlying two conductor structure.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on July 23, 2007, 09:22:19 PM
Yep, it sure is looking good!

Now time to put some real copper in them there wires and fire it up.

Cheers,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: MeggerMan on July 24, 2007, 12:48:16 AM
@Bruce,
You are going to love this one:
Video you mentioned about longitudinal waves:
Tesla transverse and longitudinal electric waves
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-721789270445596549&total=32&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-721789270445596549&total=32&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0)

Look at 14:30 to 15:00

Just after the comment about breaking the speed of light and the joke of getting a speeding ticket from the Relativity police. ;)
Anyway, he mentions about the complex coupling of the  loose wound primary/secondary coil creating a "swirling spiral field".
Vortex?
The frequency that he comes up with is 34KHz, quite close to 35.705 KHz but that is just down to coil wire length.
Only down side is that it implies the control coils are wound in the horizontal plain and the output is perhaps the control coils.
The three horizontal control coils each using a higher frequency(top to bottom), so the spiralling vortex is accelerated down towards the bottom coil, pulling in magnetic tornado from the earths magnetic field lines.

When the earth turns at about 1000 miles per hour, does it mean the magnetic field lines are rotating at the same speed or are they stationary or somewhere in between?
A magnetic field is created by electron orbit alignment, or electron movement in one direction provided by electric current, but the field itself is something that cannot be explained, a kind of force in the vacuum between atoms, in the ether.
I suspect the electric current in a wire causes electron orbit alignment and has little to do with movement, but who am I to argue with science. Could it be a spiral movement?
So this ether can create gravitational and magnetic force.
Maybe, just maybe its like a flowing wind that can vary in speed and the difference will push or pull objects together/apart.
Flowing wind because since the big bang everything is moving outwards from point zero, hence travelling through a stationary ether will appear as wind to all the planets and stars.
Just a theory.
 
Regards
Rob
 
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on July 24, 2007, 01:00:28 AM
@ Rob

Thanks for the heads up on that, and I like the theory.  If you notice, on my SM replication, I indeed have the HF in the collectors wrapped horizontal around the circumference of the core as well as in the primaries.  These are coupled with the magnetic bias.  It should make a bit more power, in my thinking and confirmed from the video perhaps.

@ Eldarion

Please be sure when feeding the HF into the collector conductor, to put the 1x in the top, 2x in the second and then the third.  (Hey, that sounds familiar!  LOL)

The primaries we rotate CCW, the collecters CW.  For the first experiment anyway! 

Happy Days!
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on July 26, 2007, 02:27:49 PM
Hello everyone,

In a week or so we will all see if my little SM replication coil flys (or floats  ;D) or not.  Something to look forward to while we all await our cores.

In the meantime, I am also using this time to deepen my understanding of each of the parts.  So, starting with the inside and working my way out, I wanted to begin to understand magnetic bias and it's interaction with different cores, as well as finding a calculator to determine gauss strength.  These kind of notes, I believe in the future, will be critical to "optimize" energy and future design.

Magnetic Bias:
To understand this, I have gone to the simple solenoid.
Picture 2 is of a comparison between a bar magnet on the right and the solenoid on the left.

At the bottom of the page, Solenoids as Magnetic sources, is also a calculator for determining the gauss strength of your solenoid (magnetic bias). 

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/solenoid.html

Solenoid Simulation:
http://qbx6.ltu.edu/s_schneider/physlets/main/bsolenoid.shtml

I also wonder if rather than a solenoid, SM didn't use an iron core toroid in the middle of the 15" TPU for his "magnetic bias", except had it tuned somewhere close to 7.8 Hz .  The main interaction of the solenoid, as I understand it, is the perpendicular field crossing the path of the faster than light electrons, that brings the big kick to output. 

Now, if the little toroids in SM's 15" TPU were tuned just right, and facing up as they are, could this possibly have been enough of a perpindicular field "magnetic bias" to bring the power?  Based on the calculator, gauss strength is a straight relation to turns, core, current, etc.  YET, Marco's dancing magnets seem to disprove that.  It would seem, that "tuned in" to the right frequency of the large magnetic wave, one could get much more "gauss" bang for their "current" buck.  Just some thoughts, looking to the future.

@ Marco
Try winding a small solenoid around an iron core and replacing the toroid with that in your latest dancing magnet experiments.  See if it is more, or less effective.  I wish you had a gauss meter to measure the actual field changes as you adjust the tuning.

Happy days!  :)
Bruce





Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on August 08, 2007, 03:18:39 AM
An interesting patent I came across, about producing power, with no moving parts and only magnetic fields.  Some might have fun with this one.  It uses Electron spin (spinors) to the advantage of a virtual motor.

I think that Dr. Mark, you will find this one very interesting, indeed!   ;)

"Howard Johnson developed a motor whose power was generated purely by magnetism. It took six years of legal hassles to patent his design (U.S. Patent No. 4,151,431). More information is available from the Permanent Magnet Research Institute, P.O. Box 199, Blacksburg, Virginia 24063."

Cheers,
Bruce

http://www.google.com/patents?id=4sIsAAAAEBAJ&dq=patent:4151431&as_drrb_ap=q&as_minm_ap=1&as_miny_ap=2007&as_maxm_ap=1&as_maxy_ap=2007&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=1&as_miny_is=2007&as_maxm_is=1&as_maxy_is=2007
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on August 08, 2007, 07:13:03 AM
Hello All,

I know that the following information is old hat for many, but I think it should be viewed with a "new" appreciation and given much greater consideration.

First, a little detective work:

1.  Go to page 4 of the following .PDF and then to the paragraph "Toroid Coil Generator:"
This was a .PDF prepared for the AUS gov.

http://www.aph.gov.au/SENATE/committee/rrat_ctte/oil_supply/submissions/sub08.pdf

Next go to here:
http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/SolidState/US20020125774A1/us20020125774ki-001.pdf
AND
http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PG01&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1='20020125774'.PGNR.&OS=DN/20020125774&RS=DN/20020125774

Keep in mind that there always seem to be "missing" parts to these patents. 

And I found this old post from Stefan's old thread:

"From: "Jonathan Kolber" jonathankolber@earthlink.net
To: "Wilcken, Stephen K" <stephen.k.wilcken@b...>,
<standeyo@m...>
Subject: RE: Ring of power
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 17:07:08 -0400
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
Importance: Normal
X-SLUIDL: B00B019B-E85B11D6-BA1B00D0-B75DD9A7

Stan,

Steve Wilcken says that the Molino invention is substantially similar
to or identical to the Steven Marks invention in the Ring of Power
video we sent you.


We are very interested in talking with Molino. Can you reach him or
offer an introduction? We would consider a finder's fee
reasonable if
we license the technology.

Cordially,

Jonathan Kolber, Vice President

Space Energy Access Systems, Inc.

(*My conclusion:  It is worth taking another look and playing the "what is missing from this picture" game.  What is missing from the info to make this work.  Why did the patent never go through?  It is a later date than the SM device, but I found earlier attempts to patent, dating back to the '90's.

Someone tried to replicate this recently and it did not work.  Because of the missing pieces, I believe.  (Call it an educated hunch!  LOL)

Warm Regards,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on August 08, 2007, 04:30:08 PM
Okay,

Here is the ENTIRE most recent Patent Application by Alberto Molina-Martinez.

Downloadable as a .PDF for your reading enjoyment.  Take this concept and think about SM's mechanics.

Cheers,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: mkt3920 on August 09, 2007, 01:38:18 AM
Okay,

Here is the ENTIRE most recent Patent Application by Alberto Molina-Martinez.

Downloadable as a .PDF for your reading enjoyment.  Take this concept and think about SM's mechanics.

Cheers,
Bruce


Here is his phone number, email address and a more recent patent.
http://givetheplanetachance.com/
Kent
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on August 09, 2007, 06:10:21 AM
Here is his phone number, email address and a more recent patent.
http://givetheplanetachance.com/
Kent


@Kent
Thank you very much.  Good find.

@ All

Here is a quote of Alberto Molina-Martinez history:

"In May of 1993 I started working on what I identified as a possible new and inexhaustible sourceof energy. I rapidly developed all the theories and concepts involved and made drawings of mynew designs, all of what I would use years later in my patent applications. For three consecutive years, working with my own resources in my native Colombia, I built prototypes and fixtures to confirm the principles. I firmly believed that what I had found would lead me to the inexhaustible source of energy I was looking for. I called this device the ?Continuous Electrical Generator?.

In February of 1996 I moved with my family to the United States in the search for funding and conditions for the development of this and other inventions. By August of the same year I founded in Florida ?Molina Generation Machines, Inc.? along with a couple of family friends as funding partners and my father as the catalyzer, for the development of the new technology.

I built a laboratory and for several years I constructed and tested many prototypes in order to validate my theories. At some point it seemed that I had succeeded in my goals, because some of the prototypes were apparently yielding energy far over the unity.
I had filed for patents on my findings sometime before while I was building and perfecting the prototypes on the technologies I thought then, were already complete. My enthusiasm with this apparent success led me to program a formal launching to present my findings to the world. This took place by year 2001.
Nevertheless, further tests and deeper analysis showed clearly that there was something missing to make these inventions to work properly, and that the excess of power was only apparent power, not real power.  ???  I decided to cancel the launching until the technology could be fully proven.

We had sent invitations to the launching to very important people and prominent politicians in Washington and the United States. This aborted launching may have been the cause of a rumor that circulated strongly in Washington at the time, of an ?earth-shattering technology? that was going to break through at any time. The media called it ?Ginger? and because they couldn?t find the source of the rumor they attributed it to an inventor of New Hampshire, who was quietly working on??something else."

(*Me here again!  I have bold faced comments that seem...."strange".  You spend all of this money on patent applications and labs, working years, on a device that has "apparent power", not "real power"??  Hmmmm.... I will let you think of the problems SM has had with the powers that be and draw your own conclusions.  He was so convinced of it's legitimacy that he sends invitations to all of these people across the US (major mistake in my opinion.) for a launch or "unveiling.  But then "aborts" the launch?  Like I said, it is possible, but in my mind, not plausible that one would go through all of this trouble, and then, oops!  Sorry guys, I figured Ohms law incorrectly all of these many years and many patent applications, and thousands spent, and we don't have overunity.  Sorry for the trouble?? )

Well, the question I presented to everyone, yesterday was this.  Is the TPU similar to the Alberto device.  I think some aspects of it, yes.

Did Alberto ever meet SM?  I will ask and find out.

Warm Regards,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Grumpy on August 09, 2007, 06:19:20 AM
Damn! Just emailed this link to my entire contact list, and here it is...  :-[

Sounds like the original device may not have worked out and he has a new device.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: joe dirt on August 09, 2007, 07:19:05 AM
sorry bruce, I,ll respect the thread :)
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: bowser03 on August 09, 2007, 10:00:26 AM
Hello all,

I actually met a Conical Headed boy from another Universe parallel with ours down a stream of little universes like ours.  He explained to me audibly and telepathically about the Supreme Name of God being Elyown, Elyown, El (the Small, Middle and Large Universes Gods combined into One God).  He obviously had the interdimensional science to cross between the boundaries of Universes and so did his people.  His name was David Cone and he was for one day, a Student at Clear Lake High School in Houston Texas,, near the Johnson Space Center of which my second Father was an Aerospace Engineer working on the Space Shuttle Program.  He asked the teachers many questions about earth's history and who won what battle and war and who invented what for example who invented the Nose Cone.

This brings me to the following equation.  If you want greater free energy coming into the output coils you need a conical input series of coils.  Yes, wind them into Cones and you will have the Elyown Elyown El formula for the multiple universal travel embedded into your system which may allow you to travel the universes and not just get 1000 times the output from the input.  Sincerely, Dr.Barry C. Bowser bowser03@sprintpcs.com
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on August 09, 2007, 01:31:40 PM
@ All

Trying to have a serious discussion.  It must be a full moon!

Anyway, ignoring the sarcasm to overunity from the conehead poster, if you read through the Alberto Patent, you will notice no mention of harmonics or their use, to assist the RMF.  As Dr. Mark Snoswell has mentioned, this is needed to produce the spinors.  Not to mention SM's clues of 1x 2x and whatever that 3 frequency was.  Be it intermodulation, or another harmonic.

Now, Jason (JDO300) has speculated that perhaps SM used the frequencies themselves to cause the RMF, and posted a paper about such, recently.  It would seem that particular harmonics cause RMF in particular directions, while others cause none whatsoever. 

But, either way, using the methods of Alberto Molina-Martinez, and adding SM's clues, or testing the harmonics information that Jason has found, in a similar setup, one might see something of interest.

Cheers,  :)
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on August 09, 2007, 05:23:32 PM
Hello Everyone,

Well, I just finished speaking with Alberto Molina-Martinez for about 30 minutes.  He will be coming over to this board to read through the SM clues.  Some things I did find out:

He never met SM, but had heard of him.  What people wrote years ago, about SM building what he invented, was not true at all.  For he never had any contact with him.

His continous electrical generator showed OU output power, until hooked to a load, and then all gain was gone.

He used sinus waves for his phases, not square waves.  Ran and wound it CW or CCW, never taking that into account.  He did not use harmonics for his three frequencies.  He used a single frequency.

So hopefully we can welcome Alberto Molina-Martinez to our forum.  He may even desire in the future to start his own board dealing with his newest invention, that implements many of the same features as his continoeus electrical generator.

So this clears up one small part of the SM history and the misinformation that is out there.  Perhaps Alberto can read through the clues, and see something we have missed.

Happy Days,   :)
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Super God on August 09, 2007, 05:45:41 PM
Good stuff, Bruce!  How did you manage to get in contact with him?
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on August 09, 2007, 05:54:35 PM
Good stuff, Bruce!  How did you manage to get in contact with him?

Telephone
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on August 10, 2007, 07:48:41 AM

SM's words:
"Your interest in the harmonic resonance is also stepping toward the
right direction of things.  But then again it depends on your viewpoint about exactly what harmonic resonance is and how it relates to mag fields and
converting energy as does my power unit."

So for SM's device, perhaps he used the frequencies to produce standing waves within the wires.  And in turn, these standing waves were at specifiic frequencies known to SM that also tapped into Earth's large magnetic waves.  The way to "produce" standing waves, seem to fit his clues, far better than anything else I have come across.  Example:

# Standing waves ?

    * do not appear to propagate
    * are produced by the interference of two waves traveling in opposite directions with the same frequency and amplitude  (This sounds like transformers hooked in reverse, or slightly out of phase) 
SM's words:
"except when the two transformers get slightly out of phase with
each other, or when they are connected in reverse of one another.
Then you can measure all kinds of things going on.
You can generate all kinds of hash and multiple frequencies, and I do
mean all kinds.
What I measured during this process was very interesting.
All these frequencies occasionally met at the same time with a
much larger kick at the output."

    * Positions on a standing wave:
          o node: a point where the amplitude is zero or a minimum
            (always form at fixed ends)
          o antinode: a point where the amplitude is a maximum
            (always form at free ends)

# Resonance


    * Resonance is the dramatic increase in amplitude of a periodic system that occurs when the driving frequency applied equals the natural frequency of the system
    * Standing waves form during resonance (but resonance does not always lead to the formation of standing waves)
    * A wave moving in a medium of finite length, can interfere with its own reflection to produce a standing wave if it has the same frequency as one of the natural frequencies of the medium

# Harmonics

    * are the set of all possible standing waves in a system
    * are countably infinite in number (form a countable infinite set in the manner of whole numbers)
    * Groups of harmonics:
          o fundamental: harmonic with the lowest frequency and longest wavelength
          o overtones: harmonics other than the fundamental

# When standing waves form in a linear medium that has ?
# wo fixed ends or two free ends ?

    * a whole number of half wavelengths fit inside the medium and
    * the overtones are whole number multiples of the fundamental frequency.

# one fixed end and one free end ?

    * an odd number of quarter wavelengths fit inside the medium and
    * the overtones are odd multiples of the fundamental frequency.

Great information on standing waves can be found here:
http://hypertextbook.com/physics/waves/standing/

Schumann Resonances
The ionosphere is a layer in the earth's upper atmosphere where a large portion of the atoms and molecules have been ionized by exposure to the ultraviolet radiation of the sun. With so many charged particles free to roam around, the ionosphere is a reasonably good conductor of electricity. The surface of the earth is also a reasonably good conductor. This should be somewhat obvious since 70% of the earth's surface is covered in saltwater, which will short out electrical equipment as everyone knows, and the remaining 30% is exposed rock or soil, the stuff that electrical circuits are grounded to. The layer of atmosphere in between these two conductors is ordinary, non ionized air, which is transparent to radio waves. For extremely low frequency (ELF) radiation, the gap between the earth and its ionosphere acts as a spherical wave guide -- a kind of racetrack for radio waves. Lightning and other natural phenomena generate ELF waves which then travel around the earth. Those with just the right wavelength will wrap around the earth and interfere constructively with themselves. The resulting amplification would result in peaks in the electromagnetic spectrum at the fundamental frequency of the waveguide and its harmonics. These peaks are known as the Schumann resonances in honor of Winfried Otto Schumann (1888-1974, Germany), the scientist who predicted their existence in 1952.

Cheers,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: joe dirt on August 10, 2007, 08:21:12 AM
Thanks bruce, informative posts, always interesting :)

here is a link I happened across, it might be of some interest (though i don,t know
  what they are saying)

http://licht.foren-city.de/topic,556,30,-tpu-von-steven-mark.html

dirt

Edit: I found by following this video,s url in comments line:

http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-8808267803057625455&q=free+energy&total=333&start=0&num=10&so=1&type=search&plindex=1
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Dingus Mungus on August 10, 2007, 09:02:07 AM
::scratches head::
http://cgi.ebay.com/fFREE-ENERGY-DEVICE-120-VOLT-ENERGY-FROM-MID-AIR_W0QQitemZ260146428897QQihZ016QQcategoryZ3188QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on August 10, 2007, 03:56:18 PM
So, furthering my discussion on standing waves, I wish to highlight a major point from my last post and expound on it.

We learned that standing waves are produced by the interference of two waves traveling in opposite directions with the same frequency and amplitude.  This can be from the same source or another source.  Myself and Thaelin (Sugra) shared experiments worthy of note, using different sources.  And even then, I do not think we first looked for the resonant frequency of the coil, and then used that as our fundamental frequency to establish the standing wave.

The definition of Interference as it applies to a standing wave:

In phase(constructive interference) or out of phase (destructive interference).

Again, we turn to SM's clues:
"except when the two transformers get slightly out of phase with
each other, or when they are connected in reverse of one another.
Then you can measure all kinds of things going on.
You can generate all kinds of hash and multiple frequencies, and I do
mean all kinds.
What I measured during this process was very interesting.
All these frequencies occasionally met at the same time with a
much larger kick at the output."

So, for me that narrows down, between the two different types of interference. (Constructive or Destructive) and the answer is DESTRUCTIVE INTERFERENCE.  So, based on SM's clues, we want "not only" standing waves set up at the resonant frequency of the coil, but we want "destructive interference standing waves", set up by one of the frequencies being slightly out of phase.  Same signals, opposing one another, of same amplitude, their primary frequency determined by the resonant frequency of the coil.  Then in the second goes the 2nd harmonic and then the third.

Lastly, let me add that SM used specific frequencies to accomplish his purpose.  They were not random.  That means he would have built his coil to match the frequency (resonance) not built the coil, and then worked to find where it's resonance was. 

All of his "stereo" clues point to destructive interference standing waves, and the reason that tubes were strongly urged was for the "quality" of the destructive standing wave produced.

SM said:
"The multiple frequencies traveling around the coils are of too high
a frequency to provide for any motive effort.
They are only a means to achieve an end.
The multiple frequencies begin to feed themselves and the
multiple kicks become a combined big kick.
I call it resonating."

These "destructive interference standing waves" can ONLY be established at resonance, and they begin to feed themselves, as they interact upon themselves, same signals opposing one another at resonance. 

Next, I want to figure out how these VHF standing waves tapped into the huge magnetic standing wave (s) of the earth as SM spoke so often of.

Cheers,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: turbo on August 10, 2007, 10:48:22 PM

Again, we turn to SM's clues:
"except when the two transformers get slightly out of phase with
each other, or when they are connected in reverse of one another.
Then you can measure all kinds of things going on.
You can generate all kinds of hash and multiple frequencies, and I do
mean all kinds.
What I measured during this process was very interesting.
All these frequencies occasionally met at the same time with a
much larger kick at the output."

Cheers,
Bruce


i have done this,
exactly like he told us.
i have seen the very intresting things Steven talks about.
These Kicks are the output of the tpu.
Only few people spare no effort to produce a treatise of practical value.
Theory sometimes has to be ignored chiefly because it merely serves to confuse the mind.
All my words offerd here are more then theoretical, they are the result of actual construction and experiment.
I do not understand why it is so hard to follow and stay on the road one clearly points out because it is not that hard at all.
pherhaps that's theory too :)

Marco.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on August 11, 2007, 03:03:56 AM
Thank you Marco. 
I had misread your earlier post.  Our Air Conditioner died and I did not get a very good sleep.  ;)

Thaelin and I experimented and talked about this long ago, similar to Marco's tranformer experiment.  All are welcome to look it up several pages back.

Theory, gives direction to experiment.  We experimented and want to understand WHY we saw what we saw.  Now it is clear, "why" in my mind.

I am kind of funny that way.    ;D

EDIT:  Thaelin actually saw "kicks" (spikes) of 250 volts, using nothing more than two frequency gens.  We both used identical signals, different source, same amplitude, opposing one another.

But according to destructive interferance standing waves, one should be able to use same source, two identical signals, opposing one another.  But ONE of those signals must be out of phase of the other to produce the destructive interferance we are looking for.  We did use square waves.  At least I did.  Thaelin, did you also use square?  It might work with both.

Thaelin also used destructive interferance standing waves to run a small electrical motor.  He ran the same signal (frequency) opposing, and it ran.

Cheers,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: turbo on August 11, 2007, 04:37:04 AM
Hi Bruce,
if you had done the test the way i did, i think your words would be diffrent.
at least my words would.
so, i dont know what you are seeing in your head, but i think it is entirely diffrent from what i am seeing over here.
And i was curious about the worthwile mentioning experiments that you found important enough to mention they were worthwhile mentioning but did not mention them at all.
pherhaps it could also be like,
What were the experiments,how were they performed,what were there results...

and i do not see it similair unless you used the same setup,same tube,same voltages etc..

Marco.





Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on August 11, 2007, 04:47:45 AM
Hi Marco,

Why don't you give us all some detail of "what you saw", besides just saying it was "interesting" and you saw kicks, and you should have done it along time ago.

We used coils, not transformers, and we did not use tubes.  I am trying to make a point about "standing waves".  I gave alot of detail about the experiment, and took pictures.  No one seemed interested.  I have mentioned about identical signals, opposing one another, different source, some twenty five times, but no one responds.  It was BEP/WaveWatcher, who gave me the original though about it.  Thaelin actually experimented with these destructive interference standing waves, long before me.

I had/have a tube expert at my summons.  But there is/was information he needed to know before just putting together a tube circuit and hoping it does something.  So now I know what line of experiment I choose to undergo in the future.  I know what my Tube controller needs to do, at least for my experiments.  I also think I have figured out how to include the VLF magnetic standing waves.  I will post that tonight or in the morning.

P.S.  My bad for not giving more detail this morning...sometimes I think others remember my posts on my thread as much as I do.    Crazy, I know!  LOL   ;)

Cheers,
Bruce

Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: turbo on August 11, 2007, 12:40:40 PM
Hi Marco,

Why don't you give us all some detail of "what you saw", besides just saying it was "interesting" and you saw kicks, and you should have done it along time ago.


Cheers,
Bruce


Sorry Bruce , i already did ,and you just said you did a similair test  ::)
so you should be aware of what it looks like, oh wait you did not use tubes...
You really need to do the test.
Why?
Because you are missing out the most important things in the setup.
You take a Quote from Steven, Cut off what is REALLY important and you bulltherorize a full page on what's left of the quote....sorry dude but you missed something there.
simply said-->you are confusing people.

Please Do realize when the devices reaches the surface people will be looking for information over here.
They will have to pour over all the posts to get to what they need to start building.
That means they will have to pour over all the bullposts and theory's too...
You are expanding this forum, but i doubt it is getting better.

Marco.





Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on August 11, 2007, 06:29:21 PM
@ All

Anyone following my thread for any length of time, knows that I was the one pushing tubes harder than anyone else.  I have, as part of my Steven Mark team, assembled a group of people for some time now to assist.  One is a tube genius.  He was in the planning stage with me for our tube circuit.  And then right before it's final design was finished, along came the ECD and in came the MOSFETS and drivers. 

On SM's TPU, Tubes are the way to go.  I have said this some thirty odd times on my thread and others.  But the funny thing was, my tube guy needed to know what kind of circuit to build.  That is what I am wanting to understand myself.  Good luck to those using tubes, to experiment with.  Not to mention, Lindsay has had tubes since day 1.  So maybe tubes with a new direction is a good idea.  (for me only of course.)

I am still studying out destructive interference standing waves...  ;D
If this bothers some...stop reading.

CAUTION: 
The following information has been said to cause confusion.  This could lead to brain numbness, experimental paralysis, loss of focus on how to "really" make the SM TPU work.  So caution, you are about to enter the confusion zone. ------>  Enter at your peril. ------------>STOP<----------- Read no further!




As proven by a noteworth experiment by none other than Marco, in his dancing magnet video, there seems to be a large magnetic standing wave, that can be tapped into, between 7 and 8 Hz ELF.

Now, I have shown in other posts, that SM states in one video that his 6" TPU vibrates 7.3 times a second, to use his exact words.  Also, in my thread, I noted that an invester, who attended a live demonstration, claimed the TPU was "tuned" to 7.23 Hz.  I used to think that was the coils, but not any more.  As a matter of fact, this conundrum of knowing there are three high frequencies within the coil, and yet it is tapped somehow into 7.3 Hz magnetic standing wave, has caused me considerable brain cramps!   ;D  You can ask those I continuosly pm'd discussing this.  Roberto touched on the answer, but it still did not add up.

Until yesterday morning.  Now I believe we are dealing with longitudinal waves.  I have always said that since day one.  And the funny thing about these waves, is how to set up a BEAT FREQUENCY using destructive interference standing waves, to do so.  It would seem that the beat frequency envelops the frequencies, as I will show in a moment.  How to derive the beat frequency, is different with longitudinal waves than others, or so I was told.

Beat frequency

If you add two waves of the same wavelength or same frequency, and they are in unison or the same phase, the amplitudes will add. But it you add two waves of slightly different frequencies, the resulting amplitude will vary or oscillate at a rate that is the difference between the frequencies. That beat frequency will create a sine wave envelope around the original sine wave.

Sum of two waves creates beat frequency
Examples

For example, if you add a wave oscillating at 445 Hz with one that is at 450 Hz, the resulting frequency will be an average of the sum of the two waves: (445 Hz + 450 Hz)/2 = 447.5 Hz. This waveform is close to a sine wave, since the frequencies are almost the same.

The amplitude of volume of this combination will oscillate at the beat frequency of the average of the difference between the two: (450 Hz - 445 Hz)/2 = 2.5 Hz.

Now, if you add 440 Hz and 500 Hz notes, the resulting waveform will be a complex version of a sine wave and will sound like a blurred or fuzzy average of the two tones. The average frequency of this complex wave will be (440 Hz + 500 Hz)/2 = 470 Hz.

Also, its beat frequency will be 30 Hz, which would sound like a very low-pitched hum instead of a fluctuating volume.
Equation

The equation for calculating the shape of the beat wave for given frequencies is:

sin(A) + sin(B) = 2*cos[(A-B)/2]*sin[(A+B)/2]

where:

    * A and B are the frequencies of the two waves
    * sin(A) is the sine of A
    * cos(X) is the cosine of X
    * cos[(A-B)/2] represents the waveform of the beat (the dotted line in the above figure)
    * * is multiplication sign
    * sin[(A+B)/2] represents the average waveform of the combination (the solid sine wave in the above figure)

So, this weekend, experiments are being conducted to test this out.  It would be better to test it out with a tube circuit.

2 tests we will run:
1.  Find the resonant frequency of a coil.  Input that one frequency into one end.  Add
14.6 Hz to the second frequency and input this into the opposing end of the coil.  This signal is from a different source, thus will slightly be out of phase.  This will give us first a destructive interference standing wave of high frequency, that is over ridden with a 7.3 Hz beat pulse tapped into the earths magnetic standing wave.  This will hopefully result in the phenomenon of magnetic collection, spoke of by SM, and produce a little power.  Real power will come using SM's frequencies and their harmonics, each one over ridden with a 7.3 Hz beat frequency.  I believe that the TV's imploded, because they became a reciever for a moment of this magnetic standing wave, when the proper power frequencies, happened to produce the beat frequency that tapped this.  This resulted in tremendous power release.

Now you know what I think and it is time to test it.  I will post the results as they come in over time.  This will be the only thing about SM's TPU I will be experimenting with for some time.

Happy Days!  :)
Bruce

Source: 
http://www.school-for-champions.com/science/sound_beat.htm

Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Motorcoach1 on August 11, 2007, 07:15:13 PM
 Heres someting you may want to try. Years ago(70's) I repaired Marshall and Fender power amps in some units we installed an extra tube for output , when we did this the 2 tube would occilate between each other under certen harmonic tones the guitarest made.  we noticed two types of wave form , one was the proxcimity of where we placed the tubes next to each other and then we used a rotating sheld to seperate them. the open tube gave the best results at close proxcimity to each other. this made them occilate by them selfs with out the input to them from the guitarest. This might be a clue your looking for in the harmonics. build in a relay to turn the heater circut off at high gain amplifacation the internal swith will close and cause the heater to turn back on and posssable to blow the tube prematurly. when you see purple thats tubes in overdrive !!! ;D
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: innovation_station on August 11, 2007, 07:38:27 PM
 ;D


mike

 sounds like our safety cut off  hummm the releay to the heater also it sounds as tho you have had some luck with tubes in the past cool progress will be quick now

btentzer

lets not worry about who said what first i have said tubes a long time ago as well but only now do i act!!!!!

you want tube cirrcuits then read the darn OLD BOOKS IT IS AN OSC THAT WE REQUIRE  most likely the blocking osc built with dubble  triode tubes at least 2 of them or 4 singel triode tubes  read the links i posted in the TUBES  thred!! then get your tube geninuess on some of them but do marcos expariment and show the world so we all do not have to buy all that stuff to see the outcome of the expairment i will test many of my thought and therioes verry soon and display all

is
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: turbo on August 11, 2007, 08:00:45 PM

 SM states in one video that his 6" TPU vibrates 7.3 times a second, to use his exact words. 

Happy Days!  :)
Bruce


You watch that video again, because he does not say 7.3 times a second....

M.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on August 11, 2007, 10:00:05 PM
Heres someting you may want to try. Years ago(70's) I repaired Marshall and Fender power amps in some units we installed an extra tube for output , when we did this the 2 tube would occilate between each other under certen harmonic tones the guitarest made.  we noticed two types of wave form , one was the proxcimity of where we placed the tubes next to each other and then we used a rotating sheld to seperate them. the open tube gave the best results at close proxcimity to each other. this made them occilate by them selfs with out the input to them from the guitarest. This might be a clue your looking for in the harmonics. build in a relay to turn the heater circut off at high gain amplifacation the internal swith will close and cause the heater to turn back on and posssable to blow the tube prematurly. when you see purple thats tubes in overdrive !!! ;D

Hi Mike,

Thank you for the info.  I will pass it along to the tube guy and see what he thinks.  I am having the destructive interference standing waves, overlaid with 7.3 Hz beat and see if there is any joy.  If some, I will have a tube circuit designed to do the identical thing.  If that works, then do that two more times with each harmonic.  If no joy all around, then I will be truly stumped as to how to proceed.

Warm regards,
Bruce   
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Jdo300 on August 11, 2007, 10:07:37 PM
Bruce,

The small Open TPU vibrates at 7.3 Hz. Steven says that the 6" TPU vibrates at 5000 Hz (or 6000 Hz, need to check the vid again).

Also, if you have your tube friend make a tube circuit, make the blocking oscillator. It's the simplest one and you only need one tube. They used them all the time to control the horizontal and vertical traces in old TV sets.

http://home.att.net/~pldexnis/CTC2_how_it_works/blocking_oscillator.html

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on August 22, 2007, 06:49:09 AM
Hello all,

I have continued my study of Earth's magnetic standing waves and perhaps their interaction with a "tuned loop antenna".  This may be another component of the SM TPU.  You would be amazed at the similarities to the attributes of such a thing, and SM clues, about running with gain, noise is the enemy, TV became a reciever of more than just radio waves, like a radio, we tune into the frequencies, etc, etc.  At the bottom of this post is a link.  Please read through it and see what you think.  Especially take note where it says:

"The antenna consists of an LC (tuning) circuit formed by the air-core loop and a tuning capacitor. High-frequency magnetic fields induce currents in the loop, and these are (passively) amplified by the resonance of the LC circuit for the frequency to which the circuit is tuned."

And

"The energy can be guided into your receiver in several ways.

(1) If you use a portable radio with built-in ferrite rod, just place it inside or near the loop.  (remember the tiny ferrite torroids in the center of the 17" TPU?)

(2) You can add a pickup coil, (collector??) consisting of several windings isolated from the primary coil, and connect it to the antenna/ground input of your receiver."

AND

"One way is not connecting it at all, this requires a portable radio with a internal loop antenna in the form of a ferrite rod. The field of the loop will radiate the peaked signal and you will be able to pick it up with no connection to the radio. You can move the radio around to get the best reception.

The second way is to get a direct coupling to the loop which is used as a pick-up coil, This consists of one turn of wire wound around the circumference of the loop, this is then connected to the radio's antenna socket by means of a removable flying lead."

Now, remember all of my discussion about standing waves?  Well, I believe that the earth is surrounded with these magnetic standing waves.  These can be tapped with an antenna.  Then the "radio waves" are artificially produced, using just the right frequency and harmonic aimed at the tuned loop antenna.  This mixes with the magnetic standing wave and "produces the phenomenon of magnetic collection."

Source:
http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/underground/8585/loop.html

Now, while speaking with Jason tonight on this matter, he told me of coming to an identical conclusion many months ago.  I asked his permission to re post what he wrote of the "tuned loop antenna".  It is interesting that we both came to a common denominator from different perspectives.

Also, the link Jason includes in his post should be read all the way through, as he suggests. 

Cheers,
Bruce

Jason's old post at CTG labs:

Hello Everyone,

I have some info here that may seem to be off track from the current train of thought but we all absolutely need to check this out! I have been doing some research into loop antennas to see how the collector coil may be functioning inside of the TPU. I found this interesting link from Bill Beady?s website talking about how electrically small antennas could absorb energy like extremely long ones. No, this is nothing like your typical antenna theory but Bill does an excellent job of proving it. It?s all apparently in the physics that you can use a loop antenna to absorb 100s of times more EM energy from the environment by intentionally making the antenna transmit at the same frequency as the incoming wave? but in a way that CANCELS out the original wave! There is so much info here that lines up perfectly with what SM has told us. Bill even talks about how a ROTATING magnetic field can be used to aid in pulling in more power!!

This is exactly what Steve Mark has been trying to tell us?. The funny thing is that this article talks about how you can use a loop antenna the size of a pie plate to tap into ELF/VLF frequencies! Earth resonance anyone?? Tapping into the ?electromagnetic field of the earth??.. Guys I think this is it here?.

http://amasci.com/tesla/tesceive.html

Everyone, please take the time to read this in its entirety. I know it is long but trust me, you won?t be disappointed.

God Bless,
Jason O



Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: EMdevices on August 22, 2007, 03:22:43 PM
We don't have to "transmit" or inject power, in order to receive more energy, with the concepts presented above.

This happens naturaly when an antenna is tunned to the right frequency and the current on it starts to build up driven by the incoming waves. 

I still wonder if the TPU is an antenna of sorts, and we've been over this before.

The clues are that the small TPUs  suffered from orientation problems, as soon as they were flipped upside down the output started droping.   This is indicative of received energy that's dependent or orientation, or an antenna, but it could be due to the magnetic bias on the ferrite as well.

In the larger devices he talks about two frequencies slapping together.  Different concepts perhaps, maybe not. What's evident from the videos is that there is quite a difference of design between his TPUs.

Are the smaller ones more magnetic in nature?
Are the larger ones more electric and no longer depend on magnets being placed in strategic places?

EM
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: EMdevices on August 22, 2007, 04:44:15 PM
Here's the only patent that I found with the search terms:  (ABST/schumann AND ABST/antenna)

Enjoy !

EM

P.S.  Here's one of the pictures from the patent, to get you interested  :)
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Grumpy on August 22, 2007, 05:51:28 PM
Tunguska
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: innovation_station on August 22, 2007, 05:54:11 PM
@grumpy might that be the effects of the tesla death ray?
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Grumpy on August 22, 2007, 07:34:13 PM
Naw, that's what happens with a TPU in the wrong hands.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: innovation_station on August 22, 2007, 07:41:38 PM
like i have said many times b4 the tpu is teslas death ray

it is

is

that is why it is not right there tune too close to the freqs of conversion and you have a death ray destroying all in its path

@grumpy

that is the pic of the forest tesla leveled many years ago from half way around the world  no? with the use of his death ray no?
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Grumpy on August 22, 2007, 08:46:29 PM
It is a picture of Tunguska after the "Tunguska Event".

Don't recall Tesla using a toroidal coil of any sort, so I am not saying that they are related, just that everyone should be careful when experimenting.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: turbo on August 22, 2007, 09:07:24 PM
ahh yes, Tesla's death ray  :)
If my memory serves me right, the generation of this event aswell as the famous "chinese wall" around the US which would melt any airplane motor, had to do someting with "magnetic vortices"

i also believe they call it "virtual spin" or "virtual rotation"

M.



Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: AhuraMazda on August 22, 2007, 09:21:44 PM


LOL. You lot will have Tesla walking on water next. You should not believe everything you read on OU!

AM
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: EMdevices on August 22, 2007, 09:44:16 PM
Have you guys read that patent?

You're missing out!  Here's a part of the text talking about Schumann:

A particularly intriguing application of the structure is the construction and operation of a waveguide probe at the primary or higher mode resonance frequencies of the waveguide formed by the surface of the earth and ionosphere.  Because these resonance frequencies, the so-called Schumann resonances, are so low, e.g., about 8, 14 and 30 Hz, it has not heretofore been practical even to attempt to build a self-resonant structure to operate at any of these frequencies.  Although a waveguide probe according to the invention resonantly operating at one of the Schumann resonanace frequencies would be physically large, it would still be electrically small and therefore realizable, as well as efficient.  Because propagation losses are so low at the primary Schumann resonance frequency (below 0.25 dB per Mm according to published data), signals at that frequency may be transmitted to any point on the earth without significant attenuation.


Also check out one of the pictures, there's lots there.

EM

Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: turbo on August 22, 2007, 10:17:47 PM


LOL. You lot will have Tesla walking on water next. You should not believe everything you read on OU!

AM

Hey i did not read that on OU...
I read that in an old bunch of papers which i poured through some time ago about the papers blowing down the street and the ones taken from his safe shortly after his death.

@EM nice intresting patent.

M.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: innovation_station on August 22, 2007, 10:42:07 PM
im in the same boat as marco my comments about the death ray and the tpu are my thoughts and were not found here at ou but elesewhere but operate on the exact same princibales 

it is the death ray!!!

it is teslas greatest electrical generator or if you perfer his greatest reciever of natural power

tesla discovered the dath ray when he was working on his wirless power transmitter/ reciever expairments in colardo springs from there he leveled a forest with it. a great distance away from him  i think it was in siberia but this is based on what i read on teslas work in colorado

so yes it can kill you  and it will kill you if it is built wrong or used for the wrong propouses

but like you all say a rock can be used for good or badd


so i just want to make my ring work the sm way then once i understand how it works i will set out to make cold electricty the safe way if sm can do it hot then we can do it cold

it can be acomplished 2 ways hot or cold

as i beleave sm's way is the hot way

i will say this 1 more time

there are rings built  that the govs own they are big there is a netrino patrical dector in the mine shafts in sudburry ontario  bout 5 hours from me

there is a ring in texes that is 7 km big it is a partical accelerator it is a tpu
it is incased in concreat

there is a ring in france
it is 37 km big it is cold electricty
it agin is a tpu or similar it runs at -290 deg c

all of thease rings do exist and have for many years this is where i beleave sm sold the techonalgy to the gov

so for all we know we have been sold electricty generatored or collected in a tpu for many years

this implys it can be done the hot way or the cold way

but what about the superconductive way?

is

 
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: AhuraMazda on August 23, 2007, 12:05:07 AM
Tesla was a brilliant scientist and a genious. Why would he flatten somewhere in Siberia from US? That could have been seen as an act of aggression and caused a huge war. For believers in this story, may be he was trying to blast Alaska but perhaps guiding the death ray was difficult even for Tesla. I know when I build my TPU I would not flatten parts of the world indiscriminately for the fear of causing death of innocent people. I am sure Tesla cared about people as much as I do.

For readers in US, in Europe they are doing all kind of research under the guise of physics research but weapons are more important to our demented politicians but at the same time Russia has Europe by the short and curlies with it's gas supplies. This only leaves us at OU to do our bit but I am afraid it is closer to 12 than we all think. It is not that I believe we are going to run out of oil or gas but the pollution caused does not really seem to register to most people. Instead government are trying to carve up the north pole.

EM, thanks for the patent it looks promising. I am reading about loop antennas.
http://www.elecraft.com/TechNotes/loop_ant/wd8puoloop.pdf
http://www.qsl.net/mnqrp/Loop/Mag_Loops.htm

AM
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: innovation_station on August 23, 2007, 02:43:13 AM
i had a big explanation written up but hit the wrong button so i guess it is best left alone

i would write it agin but i just cant be bothered

is

short and long of it i think it was an accedent  and i dont think tesla thought it would do what it did

the final answer is we are dealing with death here if built proper but operated wrong

this is lighting or 1 of the closest forms of it  knowen to mankind
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on August 25, 2007, 07:49:07 AM
Hello All,

I posted here about the MRA2 and it's similarities to the SM device based on SM's clues.  This is not a TPU but has some of the components I believe are needed to build one that actually works.  I also want to thank Eldarion who brought it to my attention some time ago.

In that post, I was looking for a schematic of the MRA2 and it was under my nose the whole time, though it is not labeled as such.  Someone has brought it to my attention, and they are correct!   ;D  I will respost that drawing only, here.  Ignore the name from said post on the other thread, for I gave it.  It should read MRA2!

I am at the point where in my understanding, that you take one tuned loop antenna, and tune that to resonate at one of SM's given frequencies, which I believe are the frequencies he discovered, of the Standing waves surrounding the earth, and this becomes your 1x.  Add 2x and 3x by VHF Tubes, to each of the other collectors wrapped around the circumference of the aircore.  Add the MRA2 circuit to this and see if there is any joy...

The output would be through the wire wrapped perpindicular around each collector.  These high frequencies, in a coil, appear on ALL the wires, not just the ones they are input into.  So when collector 1 has 1x in it, that is also appearing in each of the other collectors.  All of those kicks add up (in the perpindicular wires) to 1 big kick.  This is oscillated at 1 of the said SM frequencies, and adds up to hundreds of thousands of big kicks a second at the Kilo Hertz range.  Perhaps destructive interferance standing waves are also artificially formed within the coil as a result of the slightly out of phase frequencies being input.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2788.msg45786.html#msg45786

Cheers,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Dingus Mungus on August 27, 2007, 02:15:14 AM
Hmmmm... Assuming your correct, could there be two of them driving the sm 15" tpu?
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Motorcoach1 on August 27, 2007, 05:31:43 AM
Marco and Bruce . I was doing some studieing on a geet system patented in France by Marc C. he has done an indepth study on vortexes and relationship between the electron and the Ion. In the geet system the Ion was the main driveing force in the electromotive magnetic force. and has proven this as a lorance effect. he showed how the ion was kept intact through out the process and if it wasn't, the ion would fly off in space. the funny thing about his geet unit was there is and electrical out put that was not used. As i look at the 17 in SM tpu i see now why such a large heat sink the 2 small torriods sit on. the larger ring should run cold. thats why steve was checking for any hot spots , this would shut the TPU down. there is a balence of hot and cold to keep the Ions in the vortex it seems. the outer ring collects them as they spin to the outside of the vortex. if any one has one set up I would try this and see if theres anyout put. the math is there on the patent and is very easy to understand with the diagrams. I read very little french but enought to understand what he is saying. I'll post the thread if you like and you will need babblefish to tranlate it. get one that tranlates the whole document and please post it here so others can go and download it. Keep in mind that we'ere only looking at the vortex part ot the patent. Mike   
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on August 27, 2007, 01:45:55 PM
@ DM
If those little torroids are/were ferrite, that would explain alot towards the TPU being a type of tuned loop antenna.  It would also explain why they are there.  If he was using only two frequencies for the big one, one would be used to tune one loop and the other, to tune the other loop to each of the frequencies.......perhaps.  But this is the route of my future experiments with the SM TPU.

@ Mike
Post the link and we can all take a peak.  I for one believe the entire coil got hot after about 2.5 hours, according to the engineering reports, and had to be shut down to cool.

@ All
I found this some time ago and it reminds me of two counter rotating fields, is not some "out there" physics theory, and the rotating copper disc reminds me of the compass in the TPU that spins until it ramps all the way up and then stops.  I am almost positive I have hit on the answer to that one.  It is called magnetic damping!

 * * * * Lenz' Law A general law of electrodynamic induction, stated by H. F. E. Lenz in 1833. It points out that the electromotive force induced by the variation of magnetic flux, with reference to a conductor, in the manner discovered by Faraday, is always in such direction that, if it produces a current, the magnetic effect of that current opposes the flux variation responsible for both electromotive force and current. An outstanding illustration is the drag on a generator armature; if the armature circuit is closed, the rotation is opposed by a torque arising from the reaction between the field and the current in the armature conductors. Power must therefore be applied to drive the machine; and the greater the armature current, the more power is required. The effect known as MAGNETIC DAMPING also depends upon Lenz' law. A copper disk, when spun between the poles of a strong magnet, quickly comes to rest because of the opposing torque. This arrangement serves as a speed regulator in watt-hour meters.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: z_p_e on August 27, 2007, 02:16:20 PM
Bruce,

Those two small toroids ARE ferrite.

I believe them to be part of a feedback network for controlling the TPU.

The specific appication of Lenz law you are describing as "magnetic damping" is also known as "eddy-current braking".

@All,

I've seen reference to "heat sinks" several times in these threads regarding pictures of the SM17 TPU. I am not sure where that notion came from, nor the reason for that conclusion.

Folks, that "box" the two toroids sit on is an enclosure, not a heat sink. It's likely made from plastic or aluminum. What's the enclosure for? Well to house the electronics of course.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Motorcoach1 on August 28, 2007, 01:17:11 AM
Bruce > Heres a shorter form of the vortex I was looking at. Look down the page till you get to Ion vortex theroy by Marc C. I found this most interesting    http://waterfuel.100free.com/geet_plasma.html    I've been playing with these for a few years.  Mike
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: BEP on August 30, 2007, 05:11:36 AM
@All,

I haven’t had much time to experiment between trips. However, I did find something that may be of help to the common goal.

As some know I spent a lot of time trying to reverse engineer the ‘open tpu’. I didn’t want to post findings until something was concrete. What I have been able to do is develop an understanding of some of the workings, at least repeated experiments from different angles ended with the same results.

The most definite of which has to do with resonance.

Example: If you try to build a coil to resonate at 100Hz you’ll be making a massive investment in wire – and land. That is if you approach the problem using conventional thought. We always think in terms of the electric wave when considering resonance. That appears to be a mistake with this technology.

I approached this question remembering how a tuning stub is used when tuning a dipole antenna. The tuning stub is simply a way to short the coupling and slide the shorting bar to a point where the antenna performs best. In effect you are changing the electrical length of the antenna.

Same idea with a coil of wire…

I built a simple oscillator with a single 2N3055. The oscillator is a magnetostrictive design. Between the base and emitter is a feedback coil with the base biased so pulses from that coil turn the transistor on. The coil is coupled to the base with a large cap. Between the collector and B+ is a duplicate coil. There is no electrical coupling between collector and base. A third coil was used for pickup only. (No protection for the tranny - I have a bag of these nasty things)

The coils mentioned would appear as what folks here call control coils. They are mounted over a single large toroidal coil made of 75 feet of 14 ga. ALUMINUM insulated wire. In this case closed-loop, acting as a core.
 
Turn the power on and nothing happens until you stroke the feedback coil with a magnet then it takes off.

Not surprising!  What is surprising is when you replace the coupling cap with an ever increasing size the resonant frequency goes down – BUT it stops going down at a point and adding more capacitance then has no effect on circuit resonance. This is the point where you are looking at the resonance of the core NOT the overall circuit.

At this point I monitored frequency changes as I changed the distance between the two CC’s while also watching the amplitude of the output signal.

What I saw was when you are down to the brass tacks of core-only resonance the distance between nodes and anti-nodes was TINY. This core resonates best (highest output signal amplitude) at 14.6Hz. The distance between the CC’s then was around 6 inches. Moving the pickup coil had little or no effect on the frequency but I could use it to find nodes.

I repeated the same test with a copper coil (core) of same gage trimmed for the same DC resistance. The resonant frequency was 4.5Hz but the signal amplitude was less than half that of the aluminum core.

So, my conclusions:

1. Current flows faster in aluminum than copper/copper has more mass so it vibrates at lower freeks.
2. Resonance of the magnetic vector(while using magnetostriction) is probably more closely related to mechanical resonance – like a tuning fork.
3. The more solid the core and tighter the mechanical coupling between the core and CC’s the lower the output signal

None of the above will surprise some but I thought it was important for folks to understand that we are dealing with a system resonance where the mass must also be considered – not just the length of wire as in an antenna.

Next I’m going to shoot for incidence transformation of square wave (AC) to sine by injecting an opposing signal onto the same core. FT’s or FFT’s to some. Why square? Because you don’t get even order harmonics from square.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: z_p_e on August 30, 2007, 05:23:22 AM
Nice work BEP. Well thought out and meticulous.

 8)

What are your thoughts on that open configuration in general?

eg. which are the control coils and collector coils, what are the 4 apparent coils (inner) for if they are in fact coils? etc.

Darren
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on August 30, 2007, 05:54:20 AM
I agree with Darren, great thinking and experimenting.  We have missed ya!   ;)

This goes back to your original thinking about the upper and lower coils, but in that scenario, one was transmitting and one receiving, if I recall.  There is such a degree of "tuning" involved in the SM tpu, and I fear without that, no one will ever see any type of "catalyst" to use SM's words.

Warm regards,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: MarkSnoswell on August 30, 2007, 08:25:15 AM
G'day BEP,  nice to hear from you :)

... The coils mentioned would appear as what folks here call control coils. They are mounted over a single large toroidal coil made of 75 feet of 14 ga. ALUMINUM insulated wire. In this case closed-loop, acting as a core. ...

I too have not had much time for experimentation due to travel. However I have significantly advanced a number of concepts and I think I have a good idea what the actual origin of the overunity event may be -- which I need to test out before I say any more... However what I am prepared to say (obvious really) is that it's cycling (from high to zero)of the potential that is vitally important. One of the things I have on my list to test is replacing copper primary "coils" and collectors with aluminum, high resistance wire and even non conductors such as carbon, nylon and teflon. If I am correct then the right material selection will favour the static (longitudinal, scalar - whatever language you like) modes while supressing wastefull "ordinary" current flow (transverse EM).

It's very interesting to hear that you have had some success with Al wire aver copper -- for whatever reason ;)

cheers

mark.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: AhuraMazda on August 30, 2007, 09:01:58 AM
Mark,
Don't forget to try cork.

AM
Title: Dielectric Core_Water ?
Post by: Earl on August 30, 2007, 10:15:34 AM
Hi Mark,

one of my ideas is to build a toroidal core with a dielectric, in particular water.
Water is a very strange compond and does bizarre things that other componds do not.
One characteristic that is very interesting is its dielectric constant of about 80.
Yes, eight zero.  Compare that with other materials !!

One possible interesting idea would be to slit the hollow toroid and in the small gap insert two, non-touching metallic electrodes, so that you have two capacitor plates, each touching the "tube" dielectric, whereby this tube is an almost closed circle.  The air in the hollow toroid would then be replaced with pure, if necessary truely distilled, water.  Of course, the entire construction would be water-tight.

You end up with a circular capacitor that has a dielectric constant of 80, which at the very least can be described as a most unusual capacitor.  It might also have unimaged properties, for example, the abrupt change in dielectric constant between the water and the plastic/air might cause a novel type of "waveguide" for RE or longitudinal waves, similar to how glass fibers and their casing can internally conduct and refract light waves.

I mention this because I think you are also thinking along these lines, and it might cause your threshold to vibrate, hehehe.

The hollow toroid could be built of glued plexiglass sheeting, or perhaps a hula-hoop or plastic conduit from electrical supply houses could be pressed into service?  Plumbing supply houses have copper end caps and TEEs of various diameters, maybe they could be used to terminate each end of the round toroid tube and the TEEs would serve to fill/empty water in the tube.

Regards, Earl

[snip]
One of the things I have on my list to test is replacing copper primary "coils" and collectors with aluminum, high resistance wire and even non conductors such as carbon, nylon and teflon. If I am correct then the right material selection will favour the static (longitudinal, scalar - whatever language you like) modes while supressing wastefull "ordinary" current flow (transverse EM).
[snip]
cheers, mark.
Title: Re: Dielectric Core_Water ?
Post by: MarkSnoswell on August 30, 2007, 01:35:14 PM
one of my ideas is to build a toroidal core with a dielectric, in particular water.

worth doing I think. I am planning tests with a water core in another class of device that also uses scalar waves. In that case I would expect to stimulate fusion of a small percentage of the hydrogen and end up with heavy water and hydroxide as a byproduct. ... and very hot water ;)

PS. the high dielectric for water is offset by a high dielectric loss... but we are not looking at "normal" processses so it's a matter of testing and seing what happens.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: BEP on August 31, 2007, 12:09:42 AM
I compared copper to aluminum because copper is diamagnetic and aluminum paramagnetic. In other words the aluminum has the potential of reacting similar to an iron core under some circumstances where copper is very unlikely to do so. That and the fact that aluminum is still a very good conductor.

I suppose a form of ferrite would be better yet but that would not have performed well as a magnetostrictive element.
The idea of magnetostriction is because there is repeated mention about vibration. Magneto(I'm tired of spelling it)... is the reason transformers vibrate or hum.

My ideas on the open TPU are still not crystal so I'll not burden folks with the details. I've been testing parts of the concept, one thing at a time.

Bear in-mind that I am not saying the TPU must oscillate or resonate at any particular frequency, be it Schumann or some other.

Before leaving for work this morning I did send two signals (single cycle sine with delay between cycles) in opposite directions. It seems I've created another EMP or some sissy form of one. The blasted thing squelched my clock radio but managed to buzz fairly loud before blowing the trannies. Not bad for 3.6 volts and a couple hundred milliamps going out of the power supply.

I need to stop playing last minute games and get back to details.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: EMdevices on September 02, 2007, 07:07:33 AM
Thanks for that experimentation details BEP  !

I'm glad to see another person playing around with the simple one transistor oscillators with feedback coils in a TOROIDAL FASHION.  

I tried the same with solid ferrites and also explored the effects of the angle "phi" between the power (main) coil and the feedback coil.     ;D 

I believe our circuits are very simular, although in my setups I used a few more turns on the pickup and dispensed with the bias network, crude but it works (relic from the window motor experiments, talk about getting stuck in a rut, Ha Ha)

Here's my setup, and I show the circuit per your bias scheme and added the scope coil as well.  Also I believe you are useing aluminum wire instead of the ferrite toroid.

EM
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: EMdevices on September 02, 2007, 08:06:14 AM
Here's a photo of my setup.  The toroid is made by taking a long iron ribon and making a few loops so it's laminated and eddy currents will be minimized. 

I should mention that I use a blocking oscillator setup which is very simular but with a slightly different arangement of resistor and capacitor. 

Anyway,  I get a series of spikes at about 5 kHz.  Note:  KiloHertz no Hertz.   You mentioned you get 14 Hz and 4.5 Hz?   That's very low !!!!   Are sure that's correct?    Maybe you meant to say 14 kHz, but 4 Hz is almost imposible, can you confirm?

EM
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: BEP on September 03, 2007, 03:55:54 PM
@EM

Yes, No typo....

I was looking for the resonance of the core not the circuit. Your circuit is exactly mine except the base coil was the higher impedance. The coupling cap value was increased until increasing no longer lowered the freq. At this point I believe I was seeing the resonance of the core. It should be no different than striking the core like a tuning fork. My cap wound up at 47mfd.

The ferrite will not work in mine as it cannot be constricted mechanically. In mine the wire insulation probably allowed movement between the turns. (compression of the insulation)

If your cap value is too large you'll have the core thumping the table it sets on and the flyback will probably destroy the tranny.

In my view - scoping the magnetics is far more important than the electrics. I'm also trying to avoid EMP style results as this is counter productive. I don't want to set my garage on fire - I want to power it!


You may want to try the same iron laminate (continuous strip) toroid core but with a twist. Insulate the turns from each other and pass a DC pulse into it with the blocking oscillator running. You should find the blocking oscillator syncs to the pulses already in the core.

The pulses injected into the core (now a coil of iron) should be adjusted to give minimum current ( point of core electrical resonance ). Then adjust the position of the oscillator coils for max voltage coming out of the iron core coil (protect your sig jenny!). Watch the whole thing with the probe coil.

What I'm seeing is conventional scope connections confuse the diagnosis if you don't understand exactly what is going on.

Also, the mechanical resonance of the core (low) is modulating the injected signal.

Hmmm....
What happens if you pass pulsating current through an iron coil?  It heats up and buzzes  :-X
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: BEP on September 03, 2007, 04:26:09 PM
Some clarity due to a couple of PM's....

My pickup coil consisted of 400 feet of #36 wire wound on an empty Teflon tape (pipe sealant) spool. The output coil was wound on the same type of form but I used 250 feet of #24. Both copper. The width of the original tape was 3/8 inch. I wanted very narrow coils as this would intensify and better locate the strength, nodes and anti-nodes of the pulses.

The dims of the core were adjusted so I could smoothly slide the control coils around the core. The exact wire dims will affect the number of turns, ID and OD of the core.

The copper was beating lower probably because the insulation was softer. I would think the copper should beat higher since it is a more dense metal. But I was dealing with ALL characteristics of the wire - not just the metal portion.

Both Al and Cu cores wound up about 11 inches center-center diameter. The idea was to fill the ID of the control coils.

I have no doubt of the frequencies I posted because the cores movement was visible and very audible.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: EMdevices on September 04, 2007, 03:43:41 AM
BEP,  that's fantastic !!!!

If you can get down to 4 Hz resonance I would think you can now tap that Schumann resonance at 7.3 or whatever.  Don't you think?

A few questions if you don't mind:

1) Can you specify how you terminate your 11" diameter AL and/or CU coils, do you leave the ends open?
2) How many turns?  

Good work,

EM
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: EMdevices on September 04, 2007, 05:19:06 AM
I see BEP used 75 feet  of Aluminum wire

Let's do some calculations based on the speed of sound in Aluminum = 5100 m/s   ( from:  http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/tables/soundv.html (http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/tables/soundv.html) )

Length of the Al coil in meters:

(75 feet) x (12 in/feet) x (2.54 cm/in) = 2286 cm = 22.86 m

Frequency for whole wave resonance:

(5100 m/s) / (22.86 m) = 223.1 Hz

So the lowest resonance would be 1/4 wavelengh =>  Frequency = (223.1 Hz) / (4) = 55.77 Hz

Well, it's an approximate value anyway but it shows you can get down into the Hz region which implies that maybe it is sound waves that are involved.

Also consider this,  the grid cyles are 60 Hz here in the US, and if a mixing happens then we get the difference of two signals, so:

f1 = 60 Hz - 55.77 Hz = 4.23   which is close to the 4.3 Hz that BEP mentioned


Hmmm, very interesting,  BEP you might be the man who unlockes the secret.  We've been talking about the effects of sound, and not only me but others did simular calculations, however nobody resonated that low before with this setup, so my hat is off to you BEP.

EM
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: z_p_e on September 04, 2007, 06:10:12 AM
EM,

Since we're talking about coils, resonances, and TL's etc., here's a great paper that may bring some excitement to your heart.

Check out the huge coil near the end of the paper.  Holy sparks Batman!  :o

http://www.classictesla.com/download/corum_lumped_failure.pdf

Darren
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: z_p_e on September 04, 2007, 06:22:07 AM
I know you'll like this one also:

http://www.abelian.demon.co.uk/tesla-notes/030802.html  ;D
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: EMdevices on September 04, 2007, 06:28:02 AM
Thanks Darren,  yeah, I read that paper a few years ago, it's important what they say, no LC resonance but standing wave resonance.  I've been saying that for quite a while too.

Finally, we point out that virtually all modern Tesla Coils are velocity inhibited, distributed-element, slow wave transmission line resonators.  Those asserting the contrary simply have not done their homework.

That Tesla coil is huge, but can you imagine what Tesla's famous Wardenclyffe tower would of done to near by people if it operated at high voltage? 

EM

P.S.  I just saw your second link, very nice  !!  :)
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: BEP on September 04, 2007, 08:04:30 AM
The core was shorted or 'closed-loop'  ;D

Sound may be the actual answer to my observations but I'm thinking more like 'mechanical vibration'. When you run calcs for resonance to sound you also need the variables for the insulation vibration obsorbtion. Not something I have.

My experiment was to see how vibration was generated by magnetic waves - DUH! I should have thought of a speaker coil!

It is the same as a speaker. The cone + housing will resonate well in the sound spectrum while the speaker coil alone would probably resonate into the hundreds of kilohertz range. That is my point. We should stop worrying about where the speaker coil (TPU) resonates and worry about the resonance of the overall system (TPU + where-ever it gets its energy from).

While there may be sizes where the TPU works best I'm starting to wonder if it matters what size, for now. I'm thinking 'pick a size' and generate signals to match the size.

All this research is getting to me.

SM mentions ERT 'Electrical transforner resonance' (I believe) - that has to do also with the mechanics.

He also mentions PRF 'pulse rate frequency' - in his patents. I take his mention of frequency as a general term - number of changes over a given time. Not pretty little +/- squiggles on a scope, specifically but pulses - separate, plus and minus, in a certain sequence, mark time and distance.

When I want to create a vortex and weird problems I spin the top end one way an the bottom the other - not with poles like a motor stator but by carefull placement of windings and turn to turn gap. The resonance of the control coils and the cores is immaterial. As long as the vortex is spinning about 175kHz things happen. If your coil doesn't want to resonate where you want it - blast what you want into it. It will 'give' and become resonant just like ancient loop antenna designs.

When you do pick a size all you need to know is how may pulses will fit on that ring 120 degrees apart -or 180 - or whatever number of phases you pick. Then send those three around the loop - stop - wait a bit - and send three more around the bottom loop. Send the bottom ones in a way they push the ringing remainders of the top ones and vise-versa. TaDa! Gain. - Or, at least, the watch will slow down.

In many ways I'm less likely to be 'the one'. I know how to blow-up the garage or wipe out your electronic igniton two blocks from my house. On rare occasions I can make a watch run slow and snap back to current time when the power is cut. BUT - I haven't made free energy!

I'm also not a drinker anymore. I decided to have a little so I can relax before bed tonight.

Maybe I'll wipe this post in the morning
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: z_p_e on September 04, 2007, 02:10:36 PM
Hi BEP.

A couple of times you have mentioned SM's patents, almost as if you were reading them.

The SM patent numbers on the controller are unknown as far as I know. Which patents are you referring to exactly? ???

Darren
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: BEP on September 04, 2007, 03:31:56 PM
This one and another were posted elsewhere on OU. On this one look at fig.1 items 3 and 4.

3 is the collector/collectors and 4 is the little toroid driving the control circuit. Note the controller can vary the duty cycle, respond to changes in direction and change the amount of pulses automatically.

The other patent showed PRF and sequencing for an application that was obviously ficticious. I don't have it here.

When the second shows negative pulses - the pulses can be generated by counterwinding the coils and simplifying the circuit.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Peterae on September 04, 2007, 05:42:14 PM
Very interesting, EEV = English Electric Valve
They once made Valves.
 ;)
In 1996 Acquisition of Philips Klystron assets.
Here's a link to detail the company
http://www.e2v.com/about-us/history.cfm

there is also an email address for Stephen Mark Iskander(Not sure how upto date this is)
Peter
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: z_p_e on September 04, 2007, 11:16:35 PM
This one and another were posted elsewhere on OU. On this one look at fig.1 items 3 and 4.

3 is the collector/collectors and 4 is the little toroid driving the control circuit. Note the controller can vary the duty cycle, respond to changes in direction and change the amount of pulses automatically.

The other patent showed PRF and sequencing for an application that was obviously ficticious. I don't have it here.

When the second shows negative pulses - the pulses can be generated by counterwinding the coils and simplifying the circuit.

???

BEP,

Have you read the TPU-FAQ?

Pretty sure this particular patent has been discussed before, and although it is interesting and worth looking into, it is not from our Steven Mark.

The other two patents that are not Steven's are the Molina-Martinez and "Steven Marks" patents.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: BEP on September 04, 2007, 11:37:26 PM
Yes I have. That does'nt mean I agree with all of it. However, I had forgotten these patents were deemed unrelated.

I'll not bring them up again but I'm still using them in experiments as well as Reverse Field Pinch methods.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: z_p_e on September 05, 2007, 12:48:17 AM
No one has to agree with the FAQ.

Most of it stands on its own as fact.

Q17 is the only answer containing speculation, but that was clearly stated there beforehand.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: EMdevices on September 05, 2007, 04:50:45 AM
Good News,  I'm obtaining low resonance in the Hertz range just like BEP !!!!

However, I use a shorter wire and my resonance is 125 Hz.

Also, I have not managed to get stable oscillation, my pickup coil doesn't have the same number of turns as BEPs.

I basicaly short the base to the B+ terminal through a resisitor, and then capture the disruption on my digital scope.

(The scope is attached to the Collector and ground)

This is very interesting, such low oscillations can not be explained by LC values.  It is something else that is resonating here and it is picked up by the coils no doubt.   A magnetic linkage to acoustic/vibrational energies in the copper ring, is more resonable to assume.

I think we are getting close here guys.   We can now resonate in the low Hz region and its a matter of tuning to the right Schumann frequency, either directly or through heterodyning two frequencies to produce the third 7.3 Hz Schumann.

EM
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: MarkSnoswell on September 06, 2007, 05:15:00 AM
Just some acumulated observations:

Magnetostriction and the inverse Villari effect occur anywhere you have a ferromagnetic material. I highly recommend people read up on them and never forget that whenever you have varying magnetic fields you also have varying physical stresses in materials -- and visa versa. These effects are normally only discussed in connection with feromagnetic materials -- particularly ferrites. Indeed, I have constructed extreemly eficent transformers based on the principal where you can alter the output phase by 180 deg by just moving the secondary from one node to the ajoining antinode on the ferrite core. This is all as expected but is not common knowledge -- actually it's effectivly unknown ;). What I find interesting is BEP's aproach of magnetostriction between multiple stands in one conductor (or loops). This is normally something that is completly overlooked or at least only considered from the point of trying to elimenate it. I would like to add another heretical thought in here -- the mechanical action of the two (or three) collector coils on each other... I have tuned multicoil resonators where the slightest fraction of movement of any coil has a very large effect on the phasing and fine tuning of resonance.

The two ferrite rings in the 15" TPU look like pretty standard GDT's (Gate Drive Transformers) to me. This fits perfectly with SM's clues -- the GDT's are there in the feedback paths driving the MOSFETS... I recommend people read up on SSTC's (Solid State Tesla Coil) drive designs -- you will find everything you need to know about feedback coils, GDT's and resonsnt coupled drives. All fo this can be easily applied to TPU configurations and fit with SM's clues.

I see talk on the Lord of the Ring thread about sine waves and hetrodyning of signals. At resonsnce in an operational device the signals will be sine (although significantly distorted ;) waves. This goes for the BB type device also. Personally I always tune with square waves and then switch to sine waves to confirm results. ... as for heterodyning of signals -- this will happen in the non-linear feedback oscillators and in magnetostriction/villari effect cycles within the collectors. IN the frequency division mode this will also lead to generation of a DC component on the collectors. Freqyency modulation between signals in non-linear media (or devices) is a common phenomenon that has been demonstrated from the lowest frequencies right up to optical frequencies (ofptical frequency doubling). The most recent demonstration of this effect is in feromagnetic materials at microwave frequencies -- search for Quantum Dynamo for the paper.

arg -- out of time... which is why I have not added all the references here.

happy searching.

mark.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: MarkSnoswell on September 06, 2007, 10:29:41 PM
wire question --

SM said that multistrand lamp wire was optimal for collectors. Can anyone help me save hours of searching to find out what the normal wire manufacture/coating methods used in the 60's - 80's? ... Many "lamp wires" from that era were overengineered by todays standards -- employing tinned copper stands from what I cann see in old cords.

I am interested because of the comments SM made and from several other hints from elsewhere -- could the surface treatment and makeup of the collector wires be a significant factor? -- certainly worth considering.

mark.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Grumpy on September 07, 2007, 12:22:16 AM
Hey Mark,

PVC is a common insulation for lamp cord

This has a rated voltage of 300V RMS max

http://www.colemancable.com/CatalogProducts.asp?nProductsID=269

18 or 16 awg
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: wattsup on September 07, 2007, 12:44:29 AM
@MarkSnoswell

Otto asked this same question a few weeks ago.
Maybe follow the three or four posts after his question located here;
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2535.msg39963.html#msg39963
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: MarkSnoswell on September 07, 2007, 02:36:11 AM
Otto asked this same question a few weeks ago.
Maybe follow the three or four posts after his question located here;
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2535.msg39963.html#msg39963

Thanks -- still no good answer. The reason I ask is that I have samples of older "lamp cord" where the strands are quite coars but  (I think) more importantly they are tinned. I want to find out what was the "normal" procedure and coating applied to the individual strands.... possiable related is the derly development work of Aurelaino ("The Mexican Group") at about the same time. In these and some other cases I suspect that copper plating may have been a significant contributing factor to their results.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: BEP on September 07, 2007, 03:04:40 AM
@Mark

When you asked I thought of some zip cord I had used in the past. I didn't remember the details so I did some digging in an old junk box and the attic. I doubt this is done anymore but here is the variety:

High strand count aluminum wire
Medium strand count copper (medium I suppose by todays standards) - each strand is tinned
High strand count copper coated steel wire ( it is ferromagnetic )

All of which is a higher gauge than normally used today and the insulation is thicker, softer (more like a rubber material).
The smallest is about 16 ga. (table lamp) the rest appears to be 14 ga.
A couple of items were probably from the fifties or sixties (one with Al - a blower on a stand and the one with steel a sewing machine)

I don't have any here but a stereo we had in the early 80's came with aluminum speaker wire (built like zip cord but had space not quite as big as 300 Ohm twin lead). The only thing I rmember about that was it was the first part I threw out.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: MarkSnoswell on September 07, 2007, 01:43:10 PM
@BEP
Woa! ... what a variation... just about everything you could imagine! <sigh> just have to test everying  :-\

When you asked I thought of some zip cord I had used in the past. I didn't remember the details so I did some digging in an old junk box and the attic. I doubt this is done anymore but here is the variety:

High strand count aluminum wire
Medium strand count copper (medium I suppose by todays standards) - each strand is tinned
High strand count copper coated steel wire ( it is ferromagnetic )

All of which is a higher gauge than normally used today and the insulation is thicker, softer (more like a rubber material).
The smallest is about 16 ga. (table lamp) the rest appears to be 14 ga.
A couple of items were probably from the fifties or sixties (one with Al - a blower on a stand and the one with steel a sewing machine)

... a stereo we had in the early 80's came with aluminum speaker wire
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: innovation_station on September 07, 2007, 06:07:21 PM
hummm 300 ohm twin lead atenna wire 

i just happen to have a bunch of that bought it for the rings but tryed to wind some pancakes but found it was diffcult to work with

perhaps i will try agin with my latest single ring design 

hummm...... you just never know till you try it

ist

Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on October 21, 2007, 03:26:51 AM
Hello all,

I have spent considerable time researching this post.  It has given me fresh direction and I believe brought me a step closer to the truth.  I hope that you find it provoking.  It concentrates on more of the "how". 

SM's words:
              (Italics are my own notes!)
"He acquired better magnetometers and his research found that you could tune the magnetometers to certain specific frequencies and tap directly into large magnetic waves.[/u][/b]  (you have to ask yourself, ?How do we tune a magnetometer to a specific frequency?  This shows that there are indeed huge magnetic waves that can be tapped at very specific certain frequencies.  Thinking that random frequencies will work, I believe strongly, for the SM TPU is the wrong direction.)
When I say large, I am referring to huge.
That was useable power.
However, you had to find a circuit potential in order for the electrons to flow.
That was the difficulty which he overcame to produce his famous demonstrations of power from nowhere."

"It has been a very long road from beginning to end. It took several years of experimentation to discover what frequencies  (again, SM shows that there are certain specific frequencies.  Associated with these specific frequencies are certain attributes.  One of those being the huge magnetic waves they tap into.  This should be the starting point for what we are looking for.  And then work on the ?circuit potential?.)  and most importantly how to make small integrated circuits work to perform the control functions necessary to make the demonstrations you see on the video tapes available today."

"Suppose you have 1,000 pieces of wire twelve inches long (1000 pieces of wire is about 22 turns with Litz wire.  I believe this is the collector around the circumference of the air core, for the 6? TPU that SM is referring to.  A part of the ?circuit potential?.)  and you run the same weak magnetic field over them all at the same time..... you get the same flow of electrons.
If the wires are run in series then you will get the 12,000 mille volts etc.
If you connect the wires in parallel you will get higher current but lower voltage.
However, the power potential is the same whether you run the wires in series or parallel.
  (This is the same idea he gives about wiring the set of three collectors.  In series, parallel, or both.  So again, this whole clue is telling us more information about how to make the collectors.)
If you know how to find the circuit potential,(this is the rotating magnetic field.) you tune into the frequency (This is the way Tesla did, tuning into a specific certain frequency that taps into the large magnetic field.) and you have enough short pieces of wire (This would be the Litz wire for the collectors, 1,000 pieces wrapped around the circumference of the toroid.)  you can convert as much power as you wish in a given space."

 I have been hard at work dissecting SM clues.  I am currently of the opinion that SM's controller and Toroid (TPU) were designed as a type of magnetometer.  The difference being that the collectors were tuned to a specific frequency (tuned loop Resonance), which was then artificially produced by the oscillator.  This very specific frequency(s) tap into huge magnetic waves, that then revolve around the coil.  Rotating Magnetic Field.  But I think it was a product of the frequencies out of phase.  Not timed like a motor, but rather as in the video, where SM turns on the ?primary? frequency, and then the ?second?.  This showed, as well as SM?s words, that these frequencies are not synced.  Just enough out of phase to cause a rotation. 

That is where I am at in my thinking.  I think that we should build a magnetometer (I have a .PDF of how) and purchase a sensitive gauss measurement instrument and see if there is a difference in magnetic strengths at different frequencies (Starting with SM's stated ones to start) Perhaps use the tubes for the amplifier stage of the magnetometer (it has one) to connect to the coils as SM instructed to use tubes first.

Please remember I am thinking of the ?how?, not the ?why? it works.
Ideally, finding the actual magnetometer that Tesla used would be much better than the .PDF that I have attached.  Then Tesla?s magnetometer could be replicated and that would give us a starting point to test the different frequencies to verify these large magnetic waves.

I see the step after that being finding the right ?circuit potential?.  This is using the specific frequency that taps this huge magnetic wave, it?s 2nd and 3rd harmonic to set up the rotation counter clockwise over the ?lamp wire?.  I am very confident that this ?lamp wire? is SM speak for Litz wire. 

Warm regards,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on December 09, 2007, 01:00:10 AM
Hello All,

I am finding some interesting things in a patent posted from another thread on another board.  Here is the first of many finds from this patent. 

First, SM's words:
"It is an insignificant power supply except when the two transformers get slightly out of phase with each other, or when they are connected in reverse of one another.
Then you can measure all kinds of things going on.
You can generate all kinds of hash and multiple frequencies, and I do mean all kinds.
What I measured during this process was very interesting.
All these frequencies occasionally met at the same time with a much larger kick at the output."

AND

"I became interested in the interaction between the two AC transformers.
The interaction can be very reveling, trust me.
Also, there is another interesting analogy.
We seem to overlook so many things in our society.
They are right in our faces but we just look around them without interest at all.
When I began to study the effects of multiple frequencies combined together I found out that when you deliberately strive to create the worst case scenario of frequencies you start to get some very measurable kicks.
In themselves they are not much.
But if you make enough of them fast sendoff, you get a collectible power spike that is more then the power available to begin with."

Below is the relevant part of the patent to SM's words.

Holiday Cheers!
Bruce




Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: z_p_e on December 09, 2007, 01:45:36 AM
Bruce,

Yes, an interesting concept. Use nuclear radiation as a means of increasing electron flow in a piece of wire. A few others through the years have also done things like used radioactive elements to coat wires which are then made into coils etc. I think even Hutchison played with something like this.

Anyway, it will be interesting to see if his patent is even granted, based on the claims he makes in the application....mind you, the patent office will pass just about anything these days it seems.

I wonder if he has in fact proved his theory with a POC device?

At the very least, his application is a good FE history lesson.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: kames on December 09, 2007, 02:02:01 AM
@ Bruce

Do you have the patent? If you have it, please post it. Would be interesting to read it.


From Roland Shinzinger report:
??These samples consisted of an array of circumferentially arranged coils and wires grouped around a core made of a cork like substance?

I will offer something that I personally think may be important. No this is not from steven but he says it is not far off. When somebody says "coil" think of a "circular arrangement of wires"??



I think there is a big difference between first two open tpus and last ?closed? tpus. The difference is that the first two tpus are using/exploring the basic effect and the last ?closed? tpus are more sophisticated in terms of hardware/construction set up. That is why we cannot compare them easily.

Kames.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on December 09, 2007, 02:22:53 AM
Hi Darren,

I did not find him mention his device using nuclear fuel of any type.  It seems to be his knowledge of the interaction of the coils and the movement of the electrons.

He mentions on many occasions within the patent, "Kinetic" energy of these accelerated electrons.  This also fits into SM's clues about the bullet thrown against the car door and it simply bounces off.  Take that same bullet and add kinetic force, by shooting it, and it will penetrate steel.  Also SM's comment of the cannon balls, is all about kinetic energy of these accelerated electrons.

Barbat does indeed give a good history to FE.  He also found that his device works better with rusted wire.  Does that sound familiar to some of you guys?   ;)

Here is the patent.  Read it in detail and you will see the similarities.  More, in my opinion than I have seen in any other patent.

Holiday Cheers,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: kames on December 09, 2007, 03:22:19 AM
Hi Bruce,

I am familiar with this patent. It was filed on Mar. 6, 2006. It does sound very interesting. Do you really think that SM was playing with doped semiconductors in his audio tube amplifiers when he discovered an effect for the very first time? Would it be even an iron wire covered with copper or in opposite or radium.
I do think it is related but in a different aspect. See attached image, last few words.

Kames.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: BEP on December 09, 2007, 03:41:35 AM
Bruce,

I finally have a break from the bench and I find you have dropped another jewel for us to gaze upon  :)

Thanks!

I have no time for researching other inventions right now.

We shouldn't forget that the story of the TPU included something about tube/valve heaters (not cathodes). Many of the multiple heater types used coatings that included oxides and not-so-conductive materials in an effort to improve or control the electron emissions. Wasn't the tube heater an early mention of kicks?

Some coatings were so good that the diodes would rectify even without heating the element. (not talking about cold cathodes)

Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: EMdevices on December 10, 2007, 06:06:19 PM
Hey guys,  I like the fact that you are searching for patents etc..,  but be carefull what ideas you latch onto, because they will take you down the wrong path, and sometimes it is hard to spot these.

I do a lot of patent searching too and I read plently, and I can tell you this patent is wishful thinking.  Whenever I see people talk so confidently about subatomic particles I start to wonder.   I read statemets like "inductive electron"  and I have to say "Realy?  are there non-inductive electrons perhaps?  or maybe there are green electrons?  or maybe even red electrons?"   :)

Be on the lookout for people who wrap themselves in modern terminology but are not from the profesional comunity.

Then I have to chuckle at some of his discourse:    [paragraph 038]   

Quote
An understanding of how infinite energy mistakenly came to be rejected by the scientific community clarifies the basis of this invention.   The electrodynamic function described in the embodiments described later below conforms to Helmholt'z alternate energy rule, which states that a force that is not in-line with its causative force "may be either lost or gained ad infinitum..... But,  Helmholtz mistakenly believed that "all actions in nature are reducible to forces of attraction and repulsion, the intensity of forces depending solely upon the distances between points involved...

Well, if I push sideways on my car widow, and somehow the force is rotated 90 degrees to act forward, then we've got free  energy!!! Wouldn't that be nice.  Obviously the displament will be forward and not sideways, so energy input is Force x Distance, so no distance traveled sideways, so no energy Input.    If we ever find a system like that we're set for life!!!

Anyway, this Barbat guy likes this kind of thinking.    It's imaginative fancyfull stuff, but sadly not founded in reality, and frankly a waste of time if nothing is gained or learned.  (in electromagnetics, we do get forces at 90 degrees, but when you look at the bigger picture we realize what's happening, for example, an electron traveling in a magnetic field being pushed 90 degree to its motion)

Perhaps there are some interesting things in the patent here and there, and the pictures certainly can make one think (lots of coils and coils)  but over all I think it's a waste of time.

EM
Title: My TPU Stack I will be winding!
Post by: Bruce_TPU on December 24, 2007, 03:46:27 PM
First I would like to wish all of you a very, very merry Christmas and to remember the reason for the season!   ;)

And to repost this from Otto's thread, because of the importance I deem it and for those in the future, reading through this thread.

And lastly, I have revised Mannix's drawing and shown how I will be winding my Stack TPU.  We are ordering Litz today. 

Repost:
Reread what I posted on what SM said about this.  Litz wire is the only thing that fits.  Lamp chord will make no difference, because each strand is not individually insulated.  It was SM speak for Litz wire without coming out and saying Litz wire.  And then he gave us that story on top of it.  Insulate each strand and use that only for the collector and now you have understood what SM said. 

I would go so far as to say (and I am not the only one who thinks this) that if this wire had already been used for many experiments, much better results would have been seen.

I will post again the pertinent part of SM's post.  It is so simple, I do not understand why I did not really understand the principle he is relaying, earlier.

"Let me give you something to think about...
If you had a short wire and you moved a magnet across it you would always have limited potential because the length of wire was so short.
OK now what if we increase the length of the wire to many miles in length even with a very weak magnetic field moving across the wire you still have a much greater potential flow of power available.
If we put it into a perspective of power per inch it may be easier to understand.
If you have a small magnetic field moving across a wire twelve inches long it can generate an electron flow equal to lets say one millivolt per inch.
If you move the magnet twelve inches at the same speed you get 12 millivolts as you transgress the twelve inches of wire.  (This is what we have all been doing, one wire, but with magnetic fields!)
Understand that I am trying to convey a principal that you can understand for use in the future.  (That future is now!)
So, you have a wire twelve inches long and you can make 12 millivolts moving a magnet across it.
If you have a wire 1000 feet long and you move the same small magnetic field across the length of it you can create much more voltage potential perhaps 12,000 millivolts lets say. (This is EXACTLY what Litz wire does for us!  Without this main ingredient, we will never see OU with this device, IMHO.)
So, you have managed to generate a significant amount of electric power with a weak magnetic force.
OK, how does this help us? where am I going with this?
Suppose you have 1,000 pieces of wire twelve inches long and you run the same weak magnetic field over them all at the same time..... you get the same flow of electrons.
If the wires are run in series then you will get the 12,000 millivolts etc.
If you connect the wires in parallel you will get higher current but lower voltage.
However, the power potential is the same whether you run the wires in series or parallel.  (This part tells us EXACTLY how to either increase amperage, or have high voltage, depending on what we want for the output of the three collectors.  I would strongly suggest building the Stack TPU but use 1000 pieces of wire for the total amount of the collectors.  Litz wire.)
If you know how to find the circuit potential, you tune into the frequency and you have enough short pieces of wire you can convert as much power as you wish in a given space.  (The circuit potential is probably close to the stack tpu drawing, if not it exactly.  Frequency could possibly be the one that is the resonant frequency of our 1000 pieces of wire, which is SM's short pieces of wire comment here.  I would further state, that I do not think that the control wires ever connect to the collectors.  Call it a hunch.  Induction.) 
you would be fascinated with the amount of renewable energy you can extract from a permanent magnet!" (If you want to test this, run a magnet over 1 piece of wire and measure the output.  Now run it over 1000 pieces.  Which has the greater output??   ;)  My guess is that SM played with permanent magnets and litz wire, quite a bit in his early days, and saw this very simplistic principle.)

EDIT:
Litz Wire
MWS Wire Industries
31200 Cedar Valley Drive
Westlake Village, CA 91362
Phone: 818-991-8553

82.02 USD per pound, with a 2 pound minimum
55.86 USD per pound, with 10 pounds.
29 linear feet per pound
105 strands of copper, each is poly nylon coated.  Each strand is 30 awg.  Total wire (all strands) is 10 awg.

Quote #93921 When asking for it.

Merry Christmas to all,



Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Dansway on December 24, 2007, 06:41:45 PM
Here is another Litz Wire source:
http://www.rescueelectronics.com/Litz_Wire.html

~Dan
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Rosphere on December 25, 2007, 06:24:05 AM
Here is another Litz Wire source:
http://www.rescueelectronics.com/Litz_Wire.html

~Dan

Thanks for throwing the TPU guys a bone for Christmas, you mad magnet motor maniac you.  ;)

In this photo, from Dan's link, we can see the insulating fibers wrapped on the outside of the bundle.  I suppose that these fibers are also wrapped around each individual strand.  (I would like to see the machine, that does this, in operation.)
(http://www.rescueelectronics.com/images/Products/Litz_wire/newlitz1d_1_.jpg)

"The wire cuts easily and solders with a simple 25 to 35 watt soldering iron.  It is not even necessary to pull off the nylon.  Just solder right on top of it and the nylon melts back and seals the end."
(http://www.rescueelectronics.com/images/Products/Litz_wire/newlitz1f_1_.jpg)
Well, that's pretty neat.

"Each strand of #46 wire is woven in a very specific pattern to minimize both skin effect and proximity effect losses in the bundle."
(http://www.rescueelectronics.com/images/Products/Litz_wire/newlitz1e_1_.jpg)
This image does not show the fiber wrap at all, the wires have a wavy look to them, and the text does not say, "woven with fibers."  It appears possible that the individual strands of this brand of litz wire may not be insulated from one another at all; it just is not 100% clear to me at this point.

I can see why this, "litz-wire," controversy about individual strand insulation continues.  I agree that individual strand insulation, (with the thousand strands,) is what should be tried in our 2008 TPU experiments.  However, shopping for, "the right stuff," could be a task.  Several litz wire web sites that I visited do not go into much detail about individual strand insulation.

Regardless of our feelings on the issue, it appears that the industry provides two types of litz wire: one with insulation around all strands, (an outer jacket,) and another with this feature and additional insulation around the individual strands.  You always see mention of the outer jacket material, but details about individual strand insulation can be vague or non existent.

It might bode well to phone before placing your order.  I expect that you will be placed on hold several times while they try to scare-up someone who actually knows for sure if the individual strands are indeed insulated from one another, but it might be worth the effort.

Merry Christmas,
Rosphere

EDIT: The manufacturer that Bruce provided above does make mention of individual strand insulation.
From: http://www.mwswire.com/litzmain.htm (http://www.mwswire.com/litzmain.htm):

"...it is a wire constructed of individual film insulated wires bunched or braided together in a uniform pattern of twists and length of lay."

"Polyurethane is the film most often used for insulating individual strands because of its low electrical losses and its solderability.Other insulations can also be used. Litz wires are generally further insulated with a single or double wrap or serving, of a textile-typically nylon-but are also available unserved."
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on December 25, 2007, 08:09:40 AM
@ Rosphere

First, Merry Christmas.

Next, you are correct in saying that there is Litz wire with different insulation around each strand, or perhaps none.

The company I listed and spoke with via telephone, assured me that each individual strand, of the 105 contained, is coated with something called poly nylon.  This is also wrapped around the bundle.  We really wanted teflon coated 105/30 awg, but could only be bought in lots of 440.00 USD or more.  So we went with this, for now.

Anyone reading this and desiring to order from another company, do verify that the individual strands are insulated from one another.  A buddy of mine just ordered some 675/46 awg.  He is really wanting some OU!  LOL   (I think he will burn up his wires...but I hope not!)

Holiday Cheers,
Bruce
Title: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Earl on December 25, 2007, 01:16:34 PM
The company I listed and spoke with via telephone, assured me that each individual strand, of the 105 contained, is coated with something called poly nylon.  This is also wrapped around the bundle.  We really wanted teflon coated 105/30 awg, but could only be bought in lots of 440.00 USD or more.  So we went with this, for now.

Bruce, I do not think that Teflon insulation is so necessary.  The voltage between each strand should be minimal.  Therefore individual wire insulation can be thin.

Anyone reading this and desiring to order from another company, do verify that the individual strands are insulated from one another.  A buddy of mine just ordered some 675/46 awg.  He is really wanting some OU!  LOL   (I think he will burn up his wires...but I hope not!)

675/46 awg is what I would use, if I could.  Where did your Buddy order this and how much does it cost?
Even with a 15 inch diameter, it is still a question how many turns are necessary to achieve resonance at 245 kHz?

May 2008 be the special year for all of us.

Earl
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Rosphere on December 26, 2007, 07:53:16 AM
@ btentzer

Thank you for your confirmation:
...there is Litz wire with different insulation around each strand, or perhaps none...
...The company I listed and spoke with via telephone, assured me that each individual strand, of the 105 contained, is coated with something called poly nylon...

I like the image that you posted above.  I have embedded it in my calculations image below.

Do you intend to cut the F2 wire to exactly 2xF3 wire length, and do you intend to cut the F1 wire to exactly 3xF3 wire length?

If so, then you will need two spacers between the three sets of three collector coils.  Without spacers, you will find F2<(2xF3) and F1<<(3xF3).

I made a spreadsheet to calculate the thickness of these spacers and I have the OD of the 20 AWG mag-wire.  I just need the OD of the 105/30 litz cable that you are using to calculate your spacer thickness.

(http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7.0;attach=15713;image)

I could not find it at the MWS web site.  In fact, I could not find your 105/30 litz wire there at all.  Was it a special order?

EDIT: For example: given a 20 AWG wire OD of .0331" and assuming a litz cable OD of 0.103", you will need spacers of .078" thickness to maintain your 1:2:3 wire length ratios.  Without the spacers your F2 wire will be 9.25% shorter and F1 will be 12.34% shorter than you intend.

EDIT: Calculations image added.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: eldarion on December 27, 2007, 06:52:42 AM
Hello all,

I apologize for not responding sooner--my Internet service has been really terrible as of late! :(

I was able to order the 660/46ga Litz from http://www.1n34a.com/catalog/wire.htm.  It is currently $1.10 a foot; I ordered 40 feet of it.  He ships via the USPS, so I have not yet received my spool, but it should be coming any day now.

Given that this wire is designed to handle high RF currents (equivalent of 14 or 16 gauge solid wire, I would guess by looking at it), I have no concerns about it overheating, unless I start pulling thousands of amps of overunity power, in which case I would be ecstatic, even as the device blows up! ::)

Honestly, this has been the most promising activity on this board that I have seen yet; hopefully we will all see some results soon.! ;D  More TPU experiments will be forthcoming as time allows...

Rosphere,

Would you mind either sending me a copy of your spreadsheet or running the calculations for my Litz wire?

Thanks!

Eldarion
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on December 27, 2007, 06:58:59 AM
@ Rosphere

That is a lot of work you have done, and it will be a great help.  The Litz wire is going to be 10 awg as a bundle.  That should help with the calculations.

The next problem, is if you would be kind enough to also figure 20 awg for my control wires, but NOT magnetic wire with enameled coating, but rather silver plated, teflon coated.  I have it on very good authority that this wire works much better for VHF and for maintaining the integrity of the sent signal, to put it simply.  I also have much of this wire at home.  Because of the teflon coating, it is a larger diameter.  I am on vacation, so perhaps Eldarion or another, can measure the diameter and post it for us.

As to the exact length of the control wires, yes, that is the plan.  If it calculates properly in reality as drawn.

Holiday Cheers,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: otto on December 27, 2007, 07:57:15 AM
Hello all,

nice discussion here. Litz wire. Fine. How much to pay??? How long to wait for it??

Why dont you use just a oridinary insulated copper wire?? I mean the wire that the guys are using for the transformers, motors - for winding, repairing them?? Its really cheap and you can buy such a wire without a problem.

Just a thought.

Otto
Title: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Earl on December 27, 2007, 12:14:19 PM
@Otto

It is true that ordinary motor wire is cheaper and HF-Litz is a lot more expensive.

However, ordinary motor wire works good at lower frequencies like 50 / 60 Hz and works very inferior at higher frequencies.

For superior performance at sine frequencies above 50 / 60 Hz, or for pulse waveforms of any type, it is obligatory to use HF-Litz wire.

There is a big, BIG difference in results between these two wire types.

Earl
Why dont you use just a oridinary insulated copper wire?? I mean the wire that the guys are using for the transformers, motors - for winding, repairing them?? Its really cheap and you can buy such a wire without a problem.Otto
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Grumpy on December 27, 2007, 03:10:07 PM
Litz wire is not a rquirement and if you have nothing without it, you will still have nothnig with it.  You are grasping at straws with Litz wire - a shot in the dark.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Rosphere on December 27, 2007, 03:12:18 PM
...Would you mind either sending me a copy of your spreadsheet or running the calculations for my Litz wire?

...if you would be kind enough to also figure 20 awg for my control wires, but NOT magnetic wire with enameled coating, but rather silver plated, teflon coated.

My 1:2:3 turn ratio spacer thickness calculation spreadsheet is attached.  All you need to do is enter the two OD dimensions where indicated.  I recommend taking several diameter measurements, using calipers or a micrometer, and using an average size for each wire type.

If one does not have access to these fine measuring instruments, at least try to eyeball a diameter using a proper scale and check if the OD specified in the literature is in the right ball park for the intended wire.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on December 27, 2007, 03:18:19 PM
@ Otto

Also the special braiding of each strand of Litz, that is supposed to disable the flux.  That for me is the second most important piece of the puzzle using this wire.  It it works as advertised, then inside of our collectors, we now have the place where all three frequencies "intersect".  As induction begins to take place, and the electrons move to the collector, and the flux is disabled, as SM says, then the electrons begin to hit on one another, causing greater and greater speed, until the electrons surpass the speed of light, gaining mass as they do, causing the rotation, vortex, what ever one wishes to call it.

A properly wound "circuit potential" is only half of the battle.  The biggest battle is a controller that that is fast, fast, fast (or tubes!) with a clean waveform, etc.  It is very difficult to build properly.  SM said to solder 1.5" above the board, unless one can get their hands on a military type board, if not using tubes.  How many guys are willing to go through that kind of trouble?  SM says when everything is correct, then, and only then, is there some sort of catalyst, that starts but then continues. 

I still think there is more to the collectors then just resonance, and some believe a full wavelength needs to fit.  That may be.  Set the length of the collectors to the wavelength of 245 Khz, and then use a cap with the collectors to bring the resonance to the exact same frequency.  So now both the wavelength and resonance match the collectors. 

@ All
I touched on the frequency and it's relation to circumference and wavelength, in May of this year, when I discovered the term, directivity and it's meaning. 
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2300.msg33206.html#msg33206
I had a very hard time with the math, if I recall.  Calculus is not my friend!  LOL

@ Rosphere and Earl
Using Litz wire, how would one determine the length needed to match one full wavelength of 245 Khz?
Would it be based on all of the strands, or rather on the bundles?  Would wiring in parallel verses series affect it?

And Rosphere, thank you for building the calculator!   ;D

Holiday Cheers,
Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Grumpy on December 27, 2007, 03:35:51 PM
More would share if people could keep there mouths shut, but they can't...



EDIT:  it's not polite to ask
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on January 27, 2008, 07:20:25 AM
Because of the importance I deem this avenue of experimentation, I have posted this here, as well as on the "one wire experiment" thread. .   ;)

Sitting back, looking anew at one of the SM clues, and thinking about the "two frequencies (signals) separate power sources, traveling together in a wire."  Up to now, we have started to discuss "opposing" signals, which is what I believe SM meant when he talked about "connected in reverse of one another."  But, he also mentions "slightly out of phase" with one another.  Then you have some kicks!  Thaelin saw this, much more than I did, with 250 volt spikes, using only two frequency generators.

SM's Clue, I have highlighted the relevant part, IMHO:


I originally got the idea from electron circuits which use vacuum rectifiers like the 5U4 GB or 5AR4 etc.
The plate has a high voltage potential with lots of useable power available.
You cant get to it or use it for anything without applying a heating voltage to the cathode or what is the cathode potential of the tube.
So, you put in a small voltage of 5 volts AC 60 Hz which heats up the cathode and welcomes the electron stream from the plate.
Or actually the other way around, but not important for this example of my thoughts.
Now the high voltage power goes through the cathode and travels through the coils of the 5 volt transformer along with the 5 volt AC.
If the plate voltage is not rectified then it is AC with a potential 60 Hz frequency.
That combines with the 5 volt 60 Hz in the coil of the htr transformer and generally amounts to nothing. In fact the power of the 5 volt transformer amounts to nothing.
It is an insignificant power supply except when the two transformers get slightly out of phase with each other, or when they are connected in reverse of one another.
Then you can measure all kinds of things going on.
You can generate all kinds of hash and multiple frequencies, and I do mean all kinds.
What I measured during this process was very interesting.
All these frequencies occasionally met at the same time with a much larger kick at the output.


So, when doing the "reverse/opposing of one another" experiment, using IDENTICAL frequency, but one is "slightly out of phase" of the other, look for POWER SPIKES>Kicks

Please take note, that SM give us the frequency of both of the signals in this story.  He says, "...If the plate voltage is not rectified then it is AC with a potential 60 Hz frequency."  (First frequency is 60 Hz from the tube plate, not rectified.) 

Then, he says, "That combines with the 5 volt 60 Hz in the coil of the htr transformer..." (Second frequency, identical, in "reverse/opposing", "slightly out of phase".)

Lastly, the point is that the signals are identical, except for some key things.  Different sources (power supply/battery) and they are in "reverse/opposing", and they are "slightly out of phase" of one another.

I now firmly believe (IMHO) that SM drove the collectors as follows. 
FIRST Battery As Source 1:
F1 in first collector 
F2 in second collector
F3 in third collector

SECOND Battery As Source 2:
F1 in first collector, traveling in the opposite direction, identical signal as above, just slightly out of phase.
F2 in second collector, traveling in the opposite direction, identical signal as above, just slightly out of phase.
F3 in third collector, traveling in the opposite direction, identical signal as above, just slightly out of phase.

*Note:  Can you picture for a moment, how this could begin to "feed itself" and why SM would say, "because the signal source also becomes the feed for the power source and has the natural tendency to run with gain."

I think this is a major, missing part of our testing.   :(  Let's change that.   ;) :D ;D

Cheers,

Bruce


Edit:
I also want to remind all, of another quote by SM of Tesla:
"In that book it is related that Tesla states that you can have all kinds of electrons flowing through a wire traveling in different directions relating only to their potential power source.
He even said that you could have different electron flows through a single wire completely separate from each other.
I tried it and he is right!"
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on January 27, 2008, 04:30:05 PM

A thought occurred to me.  We all recall the large TPU in the video and the two master/kill toggle switches, where SM says, "primary frequency" and then turns on the first switch.  He then says, "Secondary frequency" and then turns on the second switch.  This has led us to believe that he only used two frequency's (F1, F2) for the large TPU.  Yet we know SM told us three frequencies.

So.... What if what SM called the "primary frequency" in that video, was F1 thru F3, The first "set" of frequencies, traveling in one direction, from it's own battery source.  And what SM calls the "secondary frequency" is the "second set" of identical frequencies, slightly out of phase, (F1 thru F3), traveling in the reverse/opposing direction, and this having a completely different battery as its source.

Of course all of these frequencies would be at higher voltages.

SM clue:
"Rotation of field. . .
How many people think about that.
If you could have a field that you could think of as a big ball.
And you could rotate it in two directions what would the ramifications be?"

This is exactly what would be happening in the collectors. 

SM said, "By starting the oscillation you cause the current to flow in the collector which causes the magnification of the process within the collector which will ultimately produce the greater voltage and power in usable amounts during operation.
It is electron flow of a high order creating a large magnetic field.
Or vice versa.

So, could this "magnification of the process" be the interaction of identical signals, slightly out of phase, different sources (batteries) giving you rotation of field in two different directions? 

Could the interaction of these identical signals, slightly out of phase, opposing/reverse of one another, different sources, disable the flux allowing the electrons to float freely above the wire, thus starting the cannon ball effect given by SM, in his discussion of special relativity?


Cheers,

Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: eldarion on January 27, 2008, 06:16:53 PM
Hi Bruce,

Very interesting!  I have a long air-core solenoidal coil that I could try this with, but I do not have two separate frequency generators yet, so I will need to build those.  I wonder if sine waves or square waves will work better?

From the few button cell batteries SM had in that one leg of the OTPU, I would hazard a guess that the control circuits do not use much power, at least at the beginning.  I wonder if he had a high-voltage generator that ran off of the TPU output (the big black box on the OTPU circuit board) and as the system ramped up, it would increase the primary drive voltage to around the optimal output voltage (60V if I recall correctly).  The reason I say that is that the bifilar coils are a 1:1 transformer ratio, so you would need around 60V in to get 60V out.  If he turned the device upside down and thereby disrupted the effect, the HV capacitor would discharge slowly (another indicator of low primary drive power) until it reached his battery voltage (~12V).

The later models may have included a large Helmholtz coil to provide the required static magnetic field, rather than relying on the Earth.  (This may be what we originally labelled as the "Collectors", or the two wires on the top and bottom of the large TPU slice)

Just a final thought: The energy stored in an inductor is E=(1/2)*L*(I^2).  So if one power supply feeds in a certain current, and the other feeds in another identical current, but they are unaware of each other's contribution, the total field energy will go up by the square of the two currents added together.

Eldarion
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on January 27, 2008, 06:35:24 PM
Hi Bruce,

Very interesting!  I have a long air-core solenoidal coil that I could try this with, but I do not have two separate frequency generators yet, so I will need to build those.  I wonder if sine waves or square waves will work better?

From the few button cell batteries SM had in that one leg of the OTPU, I would hazard a guess that the control circuits do not use much power, at least at the beginning.  I wonder if he had a high-voltage generator that ran off of the TPU output (the big black box on the OTPU circuit board) and as the system ramped up, it would increase the primary drive voltage to around the optimal output voltage (60V if I recall correctly).  The reason I say that is that the bifilar coils are a 1:1 transformer ratio, so you would need around 60V in to get 60V out.  If he turned the device upside down and thereby disrupted the effect, the HV capacitor would discharge slowly (another indicator of low primary drive power) until it reached his battery voltage (~12V).

The later models may have included a large Helmholtz coil to provide the required static magnetic field, rather than relying on the Earth.  (This may be what we originally labelled as the "Collectors", or the two wires on the top and bottom of the large TPU slice)

Just a final thought: The energy stored in an inductor is E=(1/2)*L*(I^2).  So if one power supply feeds in a certain current, and the other feeds in another identical current, but they are unaware of each other's contribution, the total field energy will go up by the square of the two currents added together.

Eldarion

Hi Eldarion,

Sine waves or square waves is a great question, that I also thought about.  I think that only running experiments will answer that.

As far as the high voltage used for the signals, I have no idea.  Again, having a way to adjust this would be helpful.  EDIT: You know, in the story that he told us about, where he saw some "interesting things, where the frequencies joined together, one of those voltages were "high voltage potential" and the other was only 5 volts.  So, I am thinking that perhaps only one input needs to be high voltage to see the "kicks".  Nope, changed my thought on that, going back and rereading SM about this.  He said the two transformers in reverse, which would be high voltage identical frequencies from both sources, but the key also seems, they are "slightly out of phase."  "It is an insignificant power supply except when the two transformers get slightly out of phase with each other, or when they are connected in reverse of one another."

I have so much more information on this "two identical signals" one slightly out of phase, two distinct power supplies, but will post a bit at a time, so people can digest it.  What we need more than anything, is experimentation and see what works best.

P.S. Squared is a lot of field energy, eh?   ;)

Cheers my friend,

Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on January 27, 2008, 08:19:59 PM
Hi Eldarion,

I know that both square and sine waves need to be tested, but the following statement by SM that I have found, makes me think Sine Wave!!   :o

SM's Clue:
"I was working at a laboratory at the time with much more sophisticated equipment then is available to even most manufacturing companies.
I was able to analyze everything coming out of this simple two transformer AC high voltage circuit.
In most power supplies there is lots of hash coming out and designers use a .05 or so to short out as much as possible before it gets to the smoothing capacitors.
This hash comes from the mains supply and especially from the transformers themselves.
Then the smoothing capacitors take out the rest of the multiple frequency hash along with the gigantic 60 Hz ac left in the B+.
I became interested in the interaction between the two AC transformers.
The interaction can be very revealing, trust me."

Of course, the "interaction" is identical frequencies, opposing/reversed, slightly out of phase, high voltage!  AC = sine waves!!  Test both, buy my money is on the Sine wave!

Cheers,

Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: slapper on January 27, 2008, 11:26:00 PM
Hi Bruce_TPU:

I definitely think this is worth exploring.
(http://www.phonecotech.com/OverU/Sines.gif)

Although I've been studying the radiant route this has got me thinking. Domain switching has meant noise to me. But I'm wondering if the magnetic domain switching, during the phase crossings, is not causing some sort of piezo effect:

13) I am sorry, they are not piezo stacks.
However, they do look like it.
And some of what you said is not far off at all.

Might be a part of the heating issues.

Take care.

nap
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on January 28, 2008, 12:25:32 AM
Hi Bruce_TPU:

I definitely think this is worth exploring.
(http://www.phonecotech.com/OverU/Sines.gif)

Although I've been studying the radiant route this has got me thinking. Domain switching has meant noise to me. But I'm wondering if the magnetic domain switching, during the phase crossings, is not causing some sort of piezo effect:

13) I am sorry, they are not piezo stacks.
However, they do look like it.
And some of what you said is not far off at all.

Might be a part of the heating issues.

Take care.

nap

Hi Slapper,
Great graphic.  Just missing the "kick" at each crossing point.   ;)  Marco said in his post about his experiment with the identical signals, slightly out of phase, opposing/reversed, separate source in a coil, "It vibrates too when the fields slap together, without using magnets.."

Cheers,

Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on January 29, 2008, 01:58:50 AM
Hello All,

You guessed it.  Another post about identical frequency's, each frequency with it's own battery (power supply/source) traveling in the opposite direction, identical signal as above, just slightly out of phase.

"Ours is the first mechanism that explains why electrons gain so much energy during magnetic reconnection," said Drake, a professor in the Department of Physics and the University of Maryland's Institute for Physical Science and Technology.

Physicists have long been convinced that the primary mechanism for release of magnetic energy is a process called magnetic reconnection that occurs when oppositely-directed magnetic field lines come in contact. During this process, parallel magnetic field lines break and reconnect, forming back-to-back slingshots that release their energy by exploding outwards in opposite directions. Since charged particles are trapped on magnetic field lines, most of the energy in the magnetic field is converted to the kinetic energy of the ionized particles  pulled along by the expanding field lines."

Cheers,

Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: BEP on January 29, 2008, 03:44:25 AM

"Ours is the first mechanism that explains why electrons gain so much energy during magnetic reconnection," said Drake, a professor in the Department of Physics and the University of Maryland's Institute for Physical Science and Technology.

Physicists have long been convinced that the primary mechanism for release of magnetic energy is a process called magnetic reconnection that occurs when oppositely-directed magnetic field lines come in contact. ........"


I wonder if they blew any equipment up when they found this out. Hopefully!  ;D

Bruce, you see how 1+1=4 yet? Have you made 1+1=4 yet?

Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on January 29, 2008, 04:40:45 AM
(Snip)
Just a final thought: The energy stored in an inductor is E=(1/2)*L*(I^2).  So if one power supply feeds in a certain current, and the other feeds in another identical current, but they are unaware of each other's contribution, the total field energy will go up by the square of the two currents added together.

Eldarion

Hi BEP,

It would seem that Eldarion figured it out!   ;)

Cudo's my friend.  You brought it to my attention long ago about the ECD.  When Marco brought it up again, I went and reread everything and looked once again at all of SM's clues.  It seems blindingly clear.  We will know shortly.  Marco posted a few results that gets the saliva going, (or electrons flowing! LOL ) As did Thaelin and my own experiment from sometime ago.  But soon, I think, there will be a whole new host of experiments flooding in. 

Once all see what SM called "kicks" then time to buy VHF Triodes to use for the switching.  I now believe that what SM meant when he said, "catalyst".  I think that with the VHF Triodes, one would not just see a few "kicks", but a significant kick at every place the two signals phase lines cross.  Just a recent thought of mine.

Warm regards my friend,

Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: turbo on January 29, 2008, 10:03:16 AM

 I now believe that what SM meant when he said, "catalyst".  I think that with the VHF Triodes, one would not just see a few "kicks", but a significant kick at every place the two signals phase lines cross.  Just a recent thought of mine.

Bruce

really the exact point of catalyst is exactly when the plane passes the sound barrier.
then you will see the big bang's steven talks about that kept him going.
just like in the sound reference, this happens at a certain speed/fieldfrequency/voltage point.
in the sound reference this is about 340.29 M/S.

M.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: MACEDONIA CD on January 29, 2008, 07:54:22 PM
HI
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: BEP on January 30, 2008, 02:19:08 AM
@Marco

My current question is: Does this 'two-opposing mag fields may equal reduction' idea give us the removal of one of the reasons for slow electron motion and/or subluminal current speed?

I agree there is some speed benchmark that needs to be broken. When it is there should be many rules that just don't make sense.

@MCD

Great effort. I understand your concept of 'stronger magnetic field=stronger power'. The problem is with current winding and transformer designs 5 watts is the most you could see as output - no matter how strong that last magnetic field.

Now, if you have a new transformer or winding design that can break that limit.....   8) 
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: M@rcel on January 30, 2008, 02:09:16 PM
mm, isn't that funny? I mean, I understand your 5W limitation. But on the other hand, I would expect that with a stronger field one can do more...
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: turbo on January 30, 2008, 07:12:27 PM
mm, isn't that funny? I mean, I understand your 5W limitation. But on the other hand, I would expect that with a stronger field one can do more...

mm, isn't that funny? I mean, I understand your 5W limitation. But on the other hand, I would expect that with a Faster field one can do more...
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: M@rcel on January 30, 2008, 07:29:04 PM
mm, isn't that funny? I mean, I understand your 5W limitation. But on the other hand, I would expect that with a stronger field one can do more...

mm, isn't that funny? I mean, I understand your 5W limitation. But on the other hand, I would expect that with a Faster field one can do more...
but why then can a field produced by 10V/5A/60Hz do more than 5V/5A/60Hz? I mean when the field is independant of voltage?
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: eldarion on January 30, 2008, 07:37:39 PM
OK, if I may interject here, it looks like some people need to go back to basic coil design (no offense intended! ;D)

When you wind a coil, you design it so that it has a specific resistance, and will draw a certain amount of current when a specific voltage is placed across its terminals.  In your case, the coil that draws 5A at 5V will have less resistance (and therefore fewer windings) than the one that draws 5A at 10V (which will have a resistance of 2 ohms, instead of 1 ohm).  More windings equals more magnetic field generated for a given current level.

Hope this helps some,

Eldarion
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: M@rcel on January 30, 2008, 09:30:02 PM
yes, I did think of that. But what if I use different wires? Same ammount of windings, different resistant?
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: eldarion on January 31, 2008, 05:07:50 PM
Real quick, for those wondering why tubes will work better (text from here: http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread/t-110600.html):
Quote
Rise time in tubes is so damn fast it is never quoted. So what physically is the rise time in a tube?
It is the spread in transit delays for electrons moving from the cathode to the anode - I have never seen an actual value quoted except for photomultiplier tubes. Based upon my experience with them, I would guess that a typical tube risetime would be 1 to 2 nano seconds.
This might be a problem if you are designing an amp to work at 175MHz or above. For audio work its negligable.

Keep in mind that this pulse would be 0V-300V!

Also interesting is that a tube does not have any inherent limit on its rise/fall times; you can use "audio" tubes in RF circuitry with the appropriate grid drivers and support circuitry.

I have no idea how to get solid state to work with those specifications, except expensive RF MOSFETs, with discrete component gate drivers.

Eldarion
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: eldarion on January 31, 2008, 05:08:52 PM
Forum malfunction; sorry for the double post. ::)
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: gn0stik on January 31, 2008, 06:05:48 PM
I have to say that this is becoming interesting again. I have been lurking all along, but admittedly, I have become disillusioned. Not with the possibility,  but with the direction of things, and the format, and pseudo political nature of how things have gone. However, this line of thought being discussed in the last few pages has brought me out of seclusion, at least for this post.

I have to say that I agree, and that my money is where Bruce's is on the AC signal and the out of phase signal relationship, and that that has been the key all along. I also agree with Eldarion that a fast rise time is critical to achieving the effect. I always had a hard time reconciling the two. The fastest rise times are in square waves, but SM clearly states AC in his initial experiments that gave him his "aha" moment. And therefor, we really should not have to look any further as to which type of signal is used. However, this always left me with the problem of rise time. Eldarion's elegant explanation of the speed of rise times in tubes is the answer. Now, I have to admit that I'm blushing here a bit. It has been beat into our skulls that the easiest way to find results was with tubes, and that we likely would not see any results unless we went that direction. However, I, like most, never had a clear answer to the why of this.

I would also like to point out that this could explain the why of the early devices using magnets to tune the device, and the latter lack of the need for them, if indeed they were not just for show, and distractive purposes.

I would also like to give a nod to slapper's graphic, which illustrates nicely, some effects of what we are talking about here.

As to E=(1/2)*L*(I^2).  What we will have to keep in mind here is that resistance will change as the wires heat up and hence induction. We need calculations with this, at running temperatures. This introduces a problem however. By all accounts the devices heat is ever increasing (until failure).... what does that tell you?

My hope is that these principals are finally tested, and not just forgotten in favor of the new theory of the day. The last few pages of this thread focus rightly on factual operating principals of the TPU, and they should not be swept aside for some new toy theory. Distraction has been our enemy historically on this project.

Regards all,
Gn0stik.

P.S. I would be remiss to not acknowledge Marco's contribution to all of this, and also to at least say hello to my old friend. good to see you are still plugging away, brother.


Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: turbo on January 31, 2008, 07:59:24 PM

P.S. I would be remiss to not acknowledge Marco's contribution to all of this, and also to at least say hello to my old friend. good to see you are still plugging away, brother.


Hello to you 2 Rich.
I will keep pluggin away untill i blow myself up  ;D
Currently testing @ 500 V , 3 A
Ofcource ,all tubes.

M.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: c0mster on January 31, 2008, 08:21:36 PM
OL
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: wattsup on January 31, 2008, 10:17:15 PM
We can all agree that the TPUs did not have any tubes. Agree or not?

So, he did not invent a new electronic component otherwise some would have heard about it long ago.

If you want fast pulsing, look up "femtosecond".

Here is a pretty good article.
http://cobweb.ecn.purdue.edu/~fsoptics/articles/Femtosecond_Switching-Friberg.pdf

Great stuff guys. Keep going in this direction.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: gn0stik on January 31, 2008, 10:23:32 PM
Hey guys
The highlights of transformers out of phase got me thinking so I drew something up in my simulator. Check out the reading on osc2 channel. 
Gonna test this in the lab.
C

Comster, this looks a lot like the scope readings that GK got on his Heterodyning experiments. He uses three signals however.

Taking a glance at his signals and output might be of interest to everyone here.

@Wattsup, yes, at least in his videos, there were no tubes.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: eldarion on January 31, 2008, 10:25:34 PM
I agree, no tubes in the TPU! ;D

BUT, he may very well have used tubes on his lab bench way back when when he learned the operational principle for the first time, and just passed that along to us.  It is trivial to observe the effect happening with tube-based frequency generators, play around with various parameters, learn that a fast rise/fall time is critical, and design a comparable solid-state circuit.  For all we know, he was using VHF frequency generators and the rise/fall times for a sine wave at 250MHz are below 10ns.

We have had the solid-state technology to generate nanosecond pulses for many decades; it's just expensive and/or hard to design!

Also, I think calling this opposing separate sources can be a bit misleading.  Bruce has already proven that it is unnecessary to completely isolate the two voltage sources from each other (remember he tied the grounds of his square wave generators together?)  What seems to be happening is exactly what BEP has said; we are sending two pulses towards each other, one from one end of the coil, one from the other, and watching them collide.  Altering the phase will alter the collision point, and as the phase offset drifts around, so will the collision point.

Onwards...

Eldarion
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: gn0stik on January 31, 2008, 10:29:05 PM
I agree, no tubes in the TPU! ;D

BUT, he may very well have used tubes on his lab bench way back when when he learned the operational principle for the first time, and just passed that along to us.  It is trivial to observe the effect happening with tube-based frequency generators, play around with various parameters, learn that a fast rise/fall time is critical, and design a comparable solid-state circuit.  For all we know, he was using VHF frequency generators and the rise/fall times for a sine wave at 250MHz are below 10ns.

We have had the solid-state technology to generate nanosecond pulses for many decades; it's just expensive and/or hard to design!

Also, I think calling this opposing separate sources can be a bit misleading.  Bruce has already proven that it is unnecessary to completely isolate the two voltage sources from each other (remember he tied the grounds of his square wave generators together?)  What seems to be happening is exactly what BEP has said; we are sending two pulses towards each other, one from one end of the coil, one from the other, and watching them collide.  Altering the phase will alter the collision point, and as the phase offset drifts around, so will the collision point.

Onwards...

Eldarion



Wow, I wonder where I've heard that concept before. hehe.  ;D I wonder if this would cause interaction with adjacent coils, hence vibration.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: eldarion on January 31, 2008, 10:50:41 PM
I know, oft stated but never tested, eh? ;)

Seriously, I don't think anyone has actually tried it properly (I'm just as guilty of this as anyone else ::)).  For the concept to work, an entire pulse has to be launched in less than the time it takes for that first wavefront (caused by the rising edge of the pulse) to reach the middle of the coil.  For a coil wound with 70 feet of wire, this gives us less than 35ns to get the pulses into the coil.  To put that into perspective, the risetime of an IRF510 MOSFET coupled with a UCC37322 MOSFET driver at 13.8V is about 35ns at best.  Hmmm.... :o

Eldarion
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: BEP on January 31, 2008, 11:29:50 PM
Hmmm.... :o

Indeed!

Can anyone answer this question?

How fast is electron movement in a current carrying conductor? Notice I didn't say current flow.

I've seen a variety or numbers on this so I'm not quite sure.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: BEP on February 01, 2008, 03:12:05 AM
Thanks Chef. Bill Beaty is pretty good at explaining himself. However there are a lot more with different numbers.

I incorrectly used a term in an earlier post - 'collision'. I should have specified what was colliding or actually not and why. That would have brought up and old debate which I don't participate in because it is not debatable in my eyes.

In commonly understood terms(no SciFi from me): Two signals heading at each other on the same wire... nothing is common between them except the wire(sound of zipping my lips shut).
The charge portion of each equal - nothing happens there they just pass through each other like nothing.
Following the charge - much later - the current portion and with it the magnetic field.
The currents can't see either either - they just pass through each other.
The mag fields can't see each other either - they just pass through one another.....(Oh! what the hay. I can't hold it any more)

Here's the old debate: There are two other common references between these two pulses:

1. 'the' magnetic field. This is why and the only possible explanation why, the net magnetic field (on the outside of the wire only) equals zero - or as close to it as ever possible where and when the two currents meet and pass.
2. 'the' charge. There is only one charge and every other potential is just a gradient of that.

So the net mag field is nothing (on the outside of the wire only-the inside where the electron flow is should be incredibly dense).
The net charge is not only double but some number above double because both added to and displaced charge that was at the meeting point before they arrived. So the charge will be the same as saying 1+1=4 plus some unknown figure.

Now what happens if the current is forced to flow inside the wire along with an incredibly dense mag field? No wave propagation or speeds - current speeds only on the order of ??? 100x times slower than light???

My 17feet of zip cord wound as a flat spiral connected series bifilar dips current sharply at 35kHz and not so sharply at higher freeks. Photos attached. Sorry. The shot was taken before digital cameras became more than worthless.

I'll stop there except to repeat something I put on another post.... There isn't much sense in arguing these things. Everybody will have to do the experiments themselves - I'll add... if they think it is worthy of their time.

Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on February 01, 2008, 05:44:06 AM
(snip)
Also, I think calling this opposing separate sources can be a bit misleading.  Bruce has already proven that it is unnecessary to completely isolate the two voltage sources from each other (remember he tied the grounds of his square wave generators together?)  What seems to be happening is exactly what BEP has said; we are sending two pulses towards each other, one from one end of the coil, one from the other, and watching them collide.  Altering the phase will alter the collision point, and as the phase offset drifts around, so will the collision point.

Onwards...

Eldarion


Hi Eldarion,

I would encourage you to try both ways.  But I believe that the battery supply must be two separate and distinct entities.  One powering one gen and one powering the other.  Why?  To quote Tesla via SM:

"Tesla states that you can have all kinds of electrons flowing through a wire traveling in different directions relating only to their potential power source.
He even said that you could have different electron flows through a single wire completely separate from each other.
I tried it and he is right!"

This is the major part of the secret.  The other part IMHO is the matched ohm resistors to stop the current.

I can't wait to see them Kicks!!  ;D  Happy experimenting this weekend!

I wish we had VHF Triode Oscillators (Two of them)

@ Comster
Thank you for your sim.  VERY interesting.  Please keep us informed of your experiment.

@ BEP
Is that picture what I think it is?  Is that a few drops of motor oil I see on those coil?   :D  (Inside joke)

@ Rich
Good to hear from you again.  It is good to know that you and Marco are still around.

@ Earl or Rob or Marco
Could one of you post a VERY simple circuit, including values, using a Battery, Frequency Gen, and VHF Triode as oscillator?  Thank you.

The time to finish this project is waning.  It is expedient that we have more people experimenting (carefully/high voltage).  I think if the EE's had a tube circuit it would help speed things up.

@ All
The 3 stack TPU is the goal, but need not be built yet, to do some simple experiments.  And please post those results for all to see and learn from. 
"Freely you have received information, so freely give it."

Cheers all,

Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: eldarion on February 01, 2008, 06:07:30 AM
Hi Eldarion,

I would encourage you to try both ways.  But I believe that the battery supply must be two separate and distinct entities.  One powering one gen and one powering the other.  Why?  To quote Tesla via SM:

"Tesla states that you can have all kinds of electrons flowing through a wire traveling in different directions relating only to their potential power source.
He even said that you could have different electron flows through a single wire completely separate from each other.
I tried it and he is right!"

This is the major part of the secret.  The other part IMHO is the matched ohm resistors to stop the current.

I can't wait to see them Kicks!!  ;D  Happy experimenting this weekend!

I wish we had VHF Triode Oscillators (Two of them)

OK, will do (I can power my oscillators off of two 9-volts if need be. :D)

Kirchoff is giving me some grief on this one (predicting no real power flow through the inductor); there is definitely something amiss to have a human-detectable magnetic field coming out of your coil with 12V pulses and limited amperage.

By the way, I have done some research into the exact circuitry of the square wave generators Bruce was using.  The output stages are of simple pullup resistor and pulldown MOSFET construction--not a lot of milliamps available there, so the strong magnetic field is still unexplained.  (The pullup resistor is usually in the range of 1k to 5k ohms)

Now to dig up those 9-volts... ;D

Eldarion
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Localjoe on February 01, 2008, 06:08:49 AM
http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=vhf+triode&category0= (http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=vhf+triode&category0=)                  vhf triode's real cheap few stores. Seemed worth a check
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: zapnic on February 01, 2008, 02:10:26 PM
 ???   http://www.f-16pulseking.com/index.html  ???

whatta

http://www.f-16pulseking.com/eng/technology/technology_5.html
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: BEP on February 01, 2008, 11:02:37 PM

Kirchoff is giving me some grief on this one (predicting no real power flow through the inductor); there is definitely something amiss to have a human-detectable magnetic field coming out of your coil with 12V pulses and limited amperage.


If Kirchoff was alive today he could probably argue his way out of this one because we are talking about what is happening between two points and not at any one point. After all, what is a point anyway?

However, the person that devised the superposition theorem might want to think about methodology again.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Eye-on-beam on February 15, 2008, 12:23:05 AM
Wow many hours today catching up with you guys. glad i found this place and i wanted to send a few links along, prior to developing a real sense

http://blog.lege.net/Mathias_Bage/Tesla_Levitating_Sphere.pdf (http://blog.lege.net/Mathias_Bage/Tesla_Levitating_Sphere.pdf)

http://www.uncletaz.com/library/scimath/tesla/vedictesl.html (http://www.uncletaz.com/library/scimath/tesla/vedictesl.html)

http://www.teslascience.org/pages/questions.htm (http://www.teslascience.org/pages/questions.htm)

These three links below speak of Teslas' car.

http://www.keelynet.com/energy/teslcar.htm (http://www.keelynet.com/energy/teslcar.htm)

http://www.keelynet.com/energy/teslafe1.htm (http://www.keelynet.com/energy/teslafe1.htm)

http://www.frank.germano.com/blackbox.htm (http://www.frank.germano.com/blackbox.htm)


Lets not forget the Hall effect...

http://my.execpc.com/~rhoadley/magflux.htm (http://my.execpc.com/~rhoadley/magflux.htm)


SM states..

If you look in Morgan Jones book, Valve Amplifiers, 3rd edition,
on page 262 he says, The inrush of current through the filament
interacts with the earth's magnetic field to produce a small kick.
SMALL KICK.

Those words mean a great deal.
It PROVES that there is an interaction between the magnetic field
of the earth and simple electrons running through wires.
It may be a small influence but it is actual OVER UNITY.
I have spent several years of my life thinking about that."
Now about the DC output with AC signal.
There is a book about Nicola Tesla "The Man who Had lightning
in his hand".
I suggest that you find a copy of that book and read it.

A man by the name of Tesla had seen this.
He wondered how and why this 'kick' would occur.
So he experimented with wire and disruptive discharges from
capacitors.
It was found by him that this kick could be made so powerful that
it could explode wires instantly.
This kick came out of the wires perpendicularly.
He discharged capacitors into stout wire and through a spark gap.
The key to the kick's strength and appearance was in how fast
Tesla discharged the capacitors into the spark gap AND how fast
Tesla STOPPED the flow of current AT the spark gap.
Tesla used all types of devices to stop this flow of current,
magnets, a flame, counter-rotating engines.
His goals were to get the time in which the discharge is STOPPED
to be much quicker.
As Tesla did this he found that the perpendicular radiations, the
ones from the wires, caused electrical effects to appear in wires
and other copper/metal materials near the STOPPED
current/discharge.
These electrical effects could be made to create electrons on other
wires and copper around his STOPPED current/discharge wire

(so let me ask is the kick that takes place is in the collector wires and the control wires create the kick and if that is so then the opposing and or compatible frequencies that are displaced in the control wires are adjusted as to create a circular oscillating culminating series of independent kicks. the frequencies that are entering the control wires has to be timed, and the timing has to be in the area frequency pulsation, hence what are good frequencies that build on each other?)

SM continues..

Some of you should think about that.
Rotation of field. . .
How many people think about that.
If you could have a field that you could think of as a big ball.
And you could rotate it in two directions what would the
ramifications be?
Listen, you need to make three coils or so one on topof the other.
But the important thing is to wrap thecontrol coils perpendicularly
around the collectorcoils.
There need to be three of them all the wayaround.
Start them up one at a time each.
Firstfrequency then second harmonic component into thesecond,
then the third.

(so perhaps his windings in the control wires are wound opposing each other to create that kick, two opposing forces that spike prior to equalization and with three control wire windings they can be for ever spiking or kicking each other)

SM continues..)

When you eventually strike thecord look out.
you will know what has happened at thatpoint.
In the mean time you can measure a slightoutput even if you do
not strike the exact cord.
Larger collectors have a much greater ability tocollect and
dissipate more energy then the smallerones. However, if they turn
into a bomb it will notmake much difference...
There is no such thing as asmall lightning strike.

(so it is in the frequency control of the control wiring that we want to experiment with)

Solid state circuits are very dirty and imprecise.
Vacuum tubes have EXTREAMLY FAST TRANSIT TIMES.
Solid state devices are like molasses!
file:///C|/Steven%20Mark%20Tpu.txt (5 of 7)10-1-2007 1:22:24
file:///C|/Steven%20Mark%20Tpu.txt
They also use about a million percent of feed-back to get a clean
signal output.
Vacuum tube devices are fast, accurate and only require a few db
of feedback to achieve better result.

( in the article above about teslas' car he used 12 vacuum tubes and two were beam particle accelerator tubes)

thanks for the threads, i have enjoyed and will be looking forward to more communication..

Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: wattsup on February 15, 2008, 01:57:30 AM
@Eye-on-beam

Welcome to the board.

Your Quote
( in the article above about teslas' car he used 12 vacuum tubes and two were beam particle accelerator tubes)
End Quote

I may be mistaken but I do not ever remember reading anything relating to "beam particle accelerator tubes" in that event. Could you please advise where that information came from as stories relating to the car are very few.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: c0mster on February 15, 2008, 04:29:08 AM
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Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Eye-on-beam on February 15, 2008, 04:02:14 PM
thanks for the welcome... im glad i found this site...  as i was bringing up all the sites to post b/c this is a great place to save these links for people..  anyways i was looking and scanning thru and i did not see the tube identifications as well. so i did write the tube numbers down years ago..   they are as follows

12 tubes in his experiment

3 were  70-L-7 type GT rectifier beam power tubes...

this is in my notes..    the writings must have been rewritten unless there is a site that i over looked and didnt post the site but these are the make that i recorded in my journal from one of these sites.. 

i believe that these tubes may be hard to find now ...

also, the 2 3 inch by 1/4 inch rods that were used in his box i believe they were magnets. b/c when he pushed the rods into the box he said we now have power..also, of interest is his 6 foot antenna in the rear of the car. i also believe that the construction is in its simplicity and when things are in plain site it may not be able to be identified.  my mind is always on this. 

the illustrations of coil configuration earlier in the thread shows each collector wire wrapped individually and the way sm states that there are three collector coils and three control coils.  are the control coils just wrapped around the collector coils? his explanation sounds easy are we making it more complicated? thanks again for the welcome..
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Eye-on-beam on February 15, 2008, 04:35:25 PM
http://www.evworld.com/article.cfm?storyid=1062 (http://www.evworld.com/article.cfm?storyid=1062)

Im posting this twice b/c i didnt see it the first time sorry for the approach.

this article mentions the tubes that tesla worked with..
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on February 15, 2008, 09:41:50 PM
Ok here is an update.
Attached a video, in the video I have a earphone connected to the step-down transformer. I believe I called this transformer 2 on my drawing. I was testing different loose cores when I noticed something. I have a milliamp meter on the batteries, I noticed the amp meter was steady for all my experiments but then it oscillated. It took me a while to repeat it but I actually was able to catch it on vid. There seems to be either parasitic induction happening here or I am coupling some kind of changing magnetic field. The set-up needs to be north to south, both coils with the same frequency apart about 4? with the sine wave crashing. I amplified the audio but the camera dose not pick it up very well. But you can hear the steady frequency of the coils and then a third much lower frequency, as the frequency drops and gains you will see the ma meters start to oscillate.

I am not touching anything or doing anything, it is doing it on its own.

I verified that each of the 2 tank ctc were at 20kh with matching amplitude, and oscillations. .

See this post http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3547.msg76257.html#msg76257 for scope shot of oscillations.

C           


Hi cOmster,
That is an interesting video and sound track.  If we had someone to analyze the sounds and see if they can pick up that low sounding frequency, it would be interesting to see what frequency it is humming at.

Also, the oscillating analog amp meter was very interesting.  If you have an opportunity to run some more similar tests, try SM's stated frequency of 35.705 Khz and see if there is any noticeable difference between it and the 20 Khz you were using.

Thanks for the efforts, much appreciated.  We look forward to your experiments.

Cheers,

Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Yadaraf on February 15, 2008, 11:08:01 PM
Ok here is an update.
Attached a video, in the video I have a earphone connected to the step-down transformer. I believe I called this transformer 2 on my drawing. I was testing different loose cores when I noticed something. I have a milliamp meter on the batteries, I noticed the amp meter was steady for all my experiments but then it oscillated. It took me a while to repeat it but I actually was able to catch it on vid. There seems to be either parasitic induction happening here or I am coupling some kind of changing magnetic field. The set-up needs to be north to south, both coils with the same frequency apart about 4? with the sine wave crashing. I amplified the audio but the camera dose not pick it up very well. But you can hear the steady frequency of the coils and then a third much lower frequency, as the frequency drops and gains you will see the ma meters start to oscillate.

I am not touching anything or doing anything, it is doing it on its own.

I verified that each of the 2 tank ctc were at 20kh with matching amplitude, and oscillations. .

See this post http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3547.msg76257.html#msg76257 for scope shot of oscillations.

C           


@Bruce_TPU,

Attached is an audio analysis of the wavecrash.wmv file.  The good news is that I don't know what I'm listening to (or for), so I can't bias the results.   ;D

Observations:  1) During the first second there appears to be "quiet" followed by an audible clicking around 1 kHz.  2) During the final 2 seconds there is an interference beat that locks (around 00:29).

In the attached figures, note that I captured a spectral baseline from the moment before the "clicking" event, and then subtracted that baseline from realtime spectra.

If there is a specific 1-second interval that is of interest, please let me know per the video time stamp.


Cheers,  :)

Yada..
.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: c0mster on February 16, 2008, 12:45:34 AM
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Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Eye-on-beam on February 16, 2008, 12:50:11 AM
@ Bruce you are performing some great work here and i am now in the area of sound thinking as well.

when the searle wheel spins it makes this noise as well.

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Searl_Effect_Generator_(SEG)  (http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Searl_Effect_Generator_(SEG)) is a picture of the magnetic wheel. i saw the wheel operation on utube or google and it made this wearling sound that tended to want to disappear like in and out...

I commented on the other site the cosmic winds of life, Tesla referred to them as the cosic rays. i say the sound of the universe in expansion. and


@Localjoe the picture is what drove me to Searl, lets share him and the great B/W photos of his ufos'

http://www.searleffect.com/free/galleryfr.html (http://www.searleffect.com/free/galleryfr.html)

http://www.johnsearlstory.com/ (http://www.johnsearlstory.com/) when you open this a video will begin and tell you of



Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Yadaraf on February 16, 2008, 12:54:17 AM
@Yadaraf

Here is a link to the AVI which has better audio. http://cmnet.ca:800/wavecrash.AVI  Please right click and save as.
What we are trying to capture is the frequency that slows down and then speeds up.
I think you can hear it better on the avi.
What we want to analyze is the noise when the meter starts to bounce.
The ticking and the noise at first is background noise.
Many thanks.

C

 

c0mster,

Thanks for the better file.  Because I'm not familiar with your device and its characteristic sounds, could you please provide some time references?  EDIT:  whoops I see that you mention 5 - 17 seconds

Q1:  Am I correct in assuming that the device is not running in the first second?

Q2:  Is there a particular frequency I range should focus on?  (e.g. 1 kHz to 5 kHz?)


Cheers,  :)

Yada..
.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Eye-on-beam on February 16, 2008, 01:03:24 AM
Has anyone seen Electric Universe on the history channel? or maybe the science channel. but there were two things i remember quit well

1 the farther the ions moved away from the sun the faster they traveled until they eventually are drawn into our galaxies black hole
if this is the case the light constant only works at predetermined distances from the sun in which they are measuring. the speed of light being just a fantasy of recollection of science.


2 the suns of the galaxies are the anodes and the planets are the cathodes. sun is positive and the planet are negative. would this be true and we live on the plate of the cathode.. hmmm

anyone seen it, criticism welcomed. Electric Universe is on google and utube too!
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: c0mster on February 16, 2008, 01:04:13 AM
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Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Yadaraf on February 16, 2008, 01:35:18 AM
@Yadaraf

A1: It is running in the first second but the earpiece is not on the mike of the camera proper.

A2:Yes the lower frequency from say 1 to 50Hz.

The coils are oscillating at about 20khz but that frequency that is causing the anomaly is in the low HZ range. If as well you can graph the time stamp on the movie with your analysis then I can target the frequency that is causing the most reaction.

Many thanks

C


c0mster,

Analyzing from 1 to 50 Hz is tricky, but see what you think.  Sampling from 00:05 to 00:17 seconds I observed three peaks: 10.6 Hz, 17.0 Hz and 19.5 Hz, with the largest amplitude at 10 .6 Hz.

Cheers,   :)

Yada..
.
 
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: c0mster on February 16, 2008, 01:40:29 AM
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Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: BEP on February 16, 2008, 01:46:38 AM
@c0mster,

I hope that middle transformer isn't setting on a piece of glass for insulation.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3403.msg53213.html#msg53213

That slapping noise sure sounds familiar  :)

Everybody has a different opinion on the Schumann resonances >> http://147.175.143.11/schr-e/index.php
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: c0mster on February 16, 2008, 01:50:01 AM
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Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Yadaraf on February 16, 2008, 01:51:26 AM
Awesome

The earth frequency has changed and is no longer 8hz however:

The Earth's frequency or rate of vibration was thought to be constant. When NASA started measuring this in hertz it was at 7.8. Now it is at 11.2,has been measured as high as 14 and is speeding up.

 http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=690619

Consentience?

Any idea at what time stamp that is at?

C

c0mster,

Not sure I'd agree with that observation.   

I monitor Schumann Resonances every day, and have observed that the 7.8 mode is always dominant.  Recenty at Modra, I've seen the amplitude @7.8 as high as 30 -- about 10 times larger than @14.  I'm told that when the 7.8 amplitude sustains an amplitude of 40 we're in big trouble.   :o

... Modra Schumann Monitor:  http://147.175.143.11/schr-e/index.php


Cheers,  :)

Yada..
.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: BEP on February 16, 2008, 01:56:02 AM
@BEP

Non inductive Styrofoam;
 :)

C

Kewl!

Then what is making the slapping noise?

Can you locate any particular vibration by feel?
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: c0mster on February 16, 2008, 02:11:21 AM
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Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Yadaraf on February 16, 2008, 02:11:31 AM
Awesome

The earth frequency has changed and is no longer 8hz however:

The Earth's frequency or rate of vibration was thought to be constant. When NASA started measuring this in hertz it was at 7.8. Now it is at 11.2,has been measured as high as 14 and is speeding up.

 http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=690619

Coincidence?

Any idea at what time stamp that is at?

Are those peaks harmonic?

C

c0mster,

Whoops.  I almost missed that this reply was directed to me.   ::)

The signal analysis (FFT) was performed on a "uniform" audio sample from 00:05 to 00:17 in the AVi file.

Given sampling error, the peak at 19.5 Hz could be considered the 2nd harmonic of the peak at 10.6 Hz.  I'm not sure what to think about the peak at 17.

... Q:  Are you trying to relate this to Schumann Resonances?


Cheers,  :)

Yada..
.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: c0mster on February 16, 2008, 02:20:42 AM
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Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Yadaraf on February 16, 2008, 02:20:54 AM
@else
Back to the Schumann Resonances.

What I can tell from research is it is different depending on area and other parameters.
This is probably why it is so intermittent.

C


c0mster,

I agree that SR measurements vary throughout the world.

Have you thought of building an SR meter?

... Homemade Schumann Resonance meter:  http://home.flash.net/~evogel/ev-schu.html

... Theory of operation:  http://www.vlf.it/Schumann/schumann.htm

(http://home.flash.net/~evogel/SchumannAntennaDetail6.jpg)

Cheers,  :)

Yada..
.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Yadaraf on February 16, 2008, 02:25:37 AM
@Yadaraf

I?m just trying to find reasons for the anomaly to see what may fit.
I?m not claiming I have coupled with Schumann Resonances, just as in scientific protocol, gathering data, eliminating and recreating to try to increase the effect.

Thanks for the great work.  8)

C

c0mster,

Got it.  I understand that preliminary observations are just that -- observations.  Correlations come later.   ;D

Glad the analysis was useful.

Cheers,   :)

Yada..
.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: BEP on February 16, 2008, 02:32:13 AM
The slapping noise I hear in your file sounds like brass buttons on a pair of jeans in the clothes dryer. Its the same noise my bundle of wire made just before it broke the glass pane it was setting on.

I monitor the Schumann with my own equipment and it doesn't seem to differ from the link Yada put up.

35kHz is used for magnetic remote controls.

Making signals near a multiple of 7.8 would be interesting. Making the difference between the two 7.8 should also be interesting. I haven't done it. I'm just thinking of Marco's dancing magnets.

I think I'll go ahead with the 3phase xfmr setup I was talking about. Then I can make the observations myself.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on February 16, 2008, 02:48:18 AM
@ Yada

A real big thank you for your time and effort. 

Hopefully cOmster's next vid will show another anomaly and we will need it again analyzed.

@ All

Very interesting.  Close to SR and then a second Harmonic.  I wonder what SM's magical 35.705 Khz will produce.  I think something different.  Call it a hunch. 

Marco was right. (He mentioned vibrations in his coil, when identical signals are sent opposing one another.)  There sure seemed to be a lot of vibration, also, from the sound of things. 

Cheers,

Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: c0mster on February 16, 2008, 02:49:17 AM
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Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Yadaraf on February 16, 2008, 02:57:06 AM
RE Signal Analysis

c0mster, Bruce,


I forgot to mention that in order to analyze the audio from the AVI file, I had to create a WAV file, which required resampling (44kHz).

Normally resampling is not a big concern, but it can produce a shift of a few Hz.  Because you are concerned with low frequencies, however, resampling might have affected my previous analysis.

Thus, before you take my previous analysis too seriously, let me examine the effect of creating a WAV file from an AVI file.

I'll get back to you on this.   ;)

Cheers,  :)

Yada..
.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Yadaraf on February 16, 2008, 07:16:41 AM
RE: Signal Analysis -- redux

c0mster, Bruce,


The original AVI audio was sampled at 64kbps according to the file properties.  My analysis software uses WAV files and is limited to 44kbps.  I thought I'd be able to generate a 10Hz tone at 64k and resample to 44k and then compare the 64k to the 44k, but I can't.

Having said that, I was able to make a rough comparison in a different manner which suggests that the shift in frequency is minor -- perhaps only 0.2 Hz.  Thus, as a minimum I would interpret the analysis as 10.64 Hz +/- 0.2 Hz.

If you need another analysis in the future, please try to record the event using a wide-frequency microphone and save in WAV format.

Cheers,  :)

Yada..
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Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Yadaraf on February 17, 2008, 08:53:05 PM
Bruce, c0mster,

RE: Schumann Resonance, TPU and WhipMag

One of my first observations on the WhipMag was that it seemed to operate near SR mode 1 -- 7.8 Hz.  Specifically, with three spinning stators -- one in AWG -- the self-sustaining rotor spun at 425 RPM, which is 7.0 Hz.  The tach measurement was not accurate, and the rotor might have been spinning higher:  468 RPM = 7.8 Hz.

... Q:  Bruce, would you consider testing your WhipMag near your TPU when it is operating and resonating with SR?

No harm .. no foul.  SR might be stronger in Canada, where Al lives.


Cheers,   :)

Yada..
.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on February 21, 2008, 04:54:30 AM
GK made a great post here:  (Sorry GK, but I had to put it here.)
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3354.msg77182.html#msg77182

I put it in quotes here.
"I just realized something about all the information posted concering the current in a wire going 2 ways and the flow is faster on the outside.
Here it is and RFC as always: If we are heterodyning 2 frequencies each in a parallel copper path of a parallel low inductive setup / 2 wire. The freqs are traveling opposite directions. The heterodyne product is so fast that the copper looks reflective like aluminium. This new field just skips across it. The copper is too slow to absorb or conduct. Where does the energy go? Radiant. Now how is it caught then slowed down? That will give us OU. But if the RE is not caught but funneled we can produce external pulses. Because if the freqencies are too slow and can be absorbed we have a standard transformer with inductive action.
I reference the exploding pop can when the power injected is too much for the receiving material. I reference HHO when the power injected is too much for the receiving material. I reference any EMP device for the same results.

--giantkiller.


(Me speaking now...)
A few things I think I know, or think I know:   ;)
Three frequencies (we think we know what some are)
Litz wire for the collector - IMHO
2 identical frequencies, out of phase. heading for one another, either in the same wire, or like a transformer hooked in reverse and the signals sent at each other and combine in the magnetic middle.

BRAIN THOUGHT:
Perhaps.... The "baling" wire in the first TPU were set up to be steel laminations to act as a transformer, and "all of the frequencies COMBINE at the collector"?  Hmmm....   ;D ???
Transformer lamination:
Each lamination is insulated from its neighbors by a thin non-conducting layer of insulation

Cheers,

Bruce

EDIT:  Food for thought
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5572178-claims.html
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: EMdevices on February 21, 2008, 07:37:45 PM
Just a hint   ;)

Electromagnetic waves can go through each other with no problems whatsoever, and we would never know it.   Just like waves on the surface of water.

In a transmission line,  like twister pair, or coax,  the same is true, waves coming from one side can pass right through the others going the other way.   

However, just a small correction to what GK said,   there will not be radiation, especially in the case of a coax.  What we realy have when two wavefronts coincide is an increased amplitude. 

We have discussed this phenomena before and it's certainly what SM advocates, the additon of "kicks".  Energy does correspond with the magnitude of the waves squared,   A^2 + B^2 is less then (A+B)^2, where A and B are the opposing waves.

So what is the trick?   Creating the energy for the waves at a point in the toroid where minimum energy is expanded.  And extracting it at the point where the wavefronts "slap together"  as SM put it,  or the place where the interference is constructive.

So what do you need for this?   

1)   A circular track where the waves can exist and travel. 
2)   Appropriate feeds.

The track is preferably made so it's not radiative.   This is accomplied by the many turn vertical winding around a toroidal shape.

At what frequencies is this most efficient?   

At frequencies where the waves form standing waves and the energy adds up realy high.

So what's the forumula?


Standing waves on a non-radiative track +  two frequencies mixing + appropriate feeds = energy multiplication = OU = free prize
   :)

EM
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: sparks on March 09, 2008, 03:25:44 AM
     @Em

      Is the resultant power of the system increased by the hetrodyne of two waves?  4 times the potential energy but 1/2 the frequency.  So we're back to one plus one = 2.  There is nothing wrong with this as a method to take high-frequency low amplitude signals and amplify them this way,  in fact it is quite ingenious.  What I'm saying is: this process is not the scource of the potential energy grab in and of itself.  Perhaps what is going on is hetrodyning a permeating potential wave on the track.  Something like infra-red frequencys.
Converting the frequency to wave amplitude and lower frequencys.  The tpu does get hot and infrared is very pervasive. Even make it through black electricians tape. ;D
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: FierZer on August 05, 2009, 06:47:13 AM
I begin this old column and it describes absolutely what I accept the baby bulk of AC getting put into the TPU was for. He has worded it actual well. Still cerebration about the differant means I ambition to agreement accomplishing this.


_________________
Aprilaire humidifier (http://www.aprilairehumidifierparts.com/)
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: giantkiller on August 06, 2009, 07:05:33 PM
True! Tnx. Probably left out a sentence in my zeal on the direction I was going. LOL.
Quote
minimum energy is expanded: expended(spent)? I hope.

People have asked about my current build so I won't tarry.
The Solfeggio-Harmonic-Integration-Transmitter (acronym for 'Something Happens In Time') is almost complete physically. This is a compact version of the Keely controller heterodyner for Red Rocks & Chizen Itza.
There will be 2 more air canons built and swivel mounted with the sine wave generators, 4 channel audio amp, and batteries integrated. The flat or back ends of the air canons are placed against the top of the sternum, and both ends of the Collar bones of the body. That way I can hear the resonancy in the target. This coincides with Keelys documentation. The harmonics that are created inside the body cavity cause resonancy with the DNA strands which in turn cause the production of endorfins. This coincides with Lakhovsky, Dotto, Rife, Cayce findings. When I find optimum chords then I can expand the air channels with longer barrels. With 1/4 wavelength measured lengths I plan on finding out what those great men experienced.  8)

The last picture is the current Kunel build. I have replaced the outside ceramic mags with single BB neos and the 3 control coils are in series with 75Vdc. This produces a huge standing wave at 2 feet from 400vac bemf spikes. When I swing the control freq up to 70khz then inside that ring I experience the dead silent zone like a tornado and then everything shuts down. Now I have to contain and collect off that. I recommend shielding yourself! Right now I sit in the middle of the circuit.

Don't mean to derail the thread.

Just a hint   ;)

Electromagnetic waves can go through each other with no problems whatsoever, and we would never know it.   Just like waves on the surface of water.

In a transmission line,  like twister pair, or coax,  the same is true, waves coming from one side can pass right through the others going the other way.   

However, just a small correction to what GK said,   there will not be radiation, especially in the case of a coax.  What we realy have when two wavefronts coincide is an increased amplitude. 

We have discussed this phenomena before and it's certainly what SM advocates, the additon of "kicks".  Energy does correspond with the magnitude of the waves squared,   A^2 + B^2 is less then (A+B)^2, where A and B are the opposing waves.

So what is the trick?   Creating the energy for the waves at a point in the toroid where minimum energy is expanded.  And extracting it at the point where the wavefronts "slap together"  as SM put it,  or the place where the interference is constructive.

So what do you need for this?   

1)   A circular track where the waves can exist and travel. 
2)   Appropriate feeds.

The track is preferably made so it's not radiative.   This is accomplied by the many turn vertical winding around a toroidal shape.

At what frequencies is this most efficient?   

At frequencies where the waves form standing waves and the energy adds up realy high.

So what's the forumula?


Standing waves on a non-radiative track +  two frequencies mixing + appropriate feeds = energy multiplication = OU = free prize
   :)

EM
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: BEP on August 06, 2009, 07:18:51 PM
@GK

Probably a good thing you are only connecting to the upper body.

Put it anywhere else you may need to wear granny panties!

Gonna do this at the amphitheater in Red Rocks? Hope they don't catch you.

The Puuc Mayans probably didn't plan for your visit, either.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: giantkiller on August 06, 2009, 09:38:45 PM
Red Rocks will be no more than 5 mins. I have a couple of canyons in mind first plus my upper resonant body cavity at an 8 watt drive. This version being portable makes it go anywhere. Plus the human body ranks as a ancient resonant temple, no?
Got to solve this curiousity. Probably too far fetched for most status quo humans. But then they don't make changes do they?

 :)
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: BEP on August 06, 2009, 11:47:08 PM
Probably too far fetched for most status quo humans. But then they don't make changes do they?

 :)

This IS true....
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: innovation_station on August 07, 2009, 08:01:03 PM
gk

that looks like an acustic resonator cannon ...   ;D


what ya gonna ringgggg wit it ?  ;D

W  ooooo the fun with plumbing parts ....  ;D
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: GetReal on August 07, 2009, 11:53:41 PM
I think that the TPU is powered by an external RF transmitter!
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: sparks on August 08, 2009, 05:47:10 AM
I'm sure you guys can draw electrical analogies to the oscillating submarine.  Really doesn't involve transverse emwaves but is more along the lines of longitudinal compression waves.  I got a hunch galaxies are surfing some from the big kaboom.  We're in one but if we create a cavity and hop aboard the bubble we might find acceleration to at least the edge of the wave.  Free ride to the surface.

 The submarines are weighted so they are just buoyant and will sink after taking on a minimal amount of ballast.  The descent is slowed by the drag on the turbines.  The turbines drive an air compressor that compresses enough volume of gas to eject the ballast when the submarine reaches the bottom.  The travel of the submarine also stores excess energy in the form of electricity on the way down (or off loads through a tether) .  Once the ballast has been ejected the submarine starts to move towards the surface.  This travel again runs the turbines and energy is stored aboard or offloaded through a tether.   

modify

I just noticed it looks like a couple of parrot fish.  Best machines of men always copy nature.  Now if we can duplicate an eye we could change emwave energy into electromagnetic pulses of a lower frequency and forget about random electron leaps in semiconductors.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: giantkiller on August 08, 2009, 05:51:39 AM
well that's pretty cool!

--giantkiller
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: turbo on August 08, 2009, 06:54:09 AM
I think that the TPU is powered by an external RF transmitter!

Well yes  :)

And you are sitting on it right now.
Even your brain syncs with it....

Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: sparks on August 08, 2009, 06:05:35 PM
jeanna posted in the jule thief thread that she was picking up 2 to 2.5 mhz on a couple of electrodes driven into the ground.  They were millivolt strength.  From her scope shots they seem to be riding on a lower frequency.  Not sure if this is current induced from the grid leakage to ground or not and the hf is load variant spikes.  Could be em emitted from a very hot magnetically active (convective plasma currents in the mantle) ball of fire with a crust on it we call earth.  The suns mhd curreEnts are theorized to be enough to produce scalar waves that are heating the corona which is what is spewing energy to Earth from the outside.  Perhaps Earth is doing the same thing on a smaller scale but the crust is Earth's corona and we're spewing energy into space at lower frequency than light and infrared from the inside.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on August 17, 2009, 03:58:24 AM
Hello all,   ;D

It is good to see SM back and kicking...LOL  Magnetic frequencies of the earth are based on the circumference of your coil..by the way, IMHO.

It is the "other" two freq's that you need also, to make the thing work, but that is for another day.

My harmonics generator is built and tested and seems to function just fine.  I have also tested my three DDS Sine Wave Generators.  Each preset with a frequency.  One freq is the fundamental for the 15" TPU.  Freq's 2 and 3 are the side bands that "intermodulate" with F1, causing a third order intermodulation where 8 created harmonics of the fundamental converge in a moments time.  Anywho, there is much more.  Standing waves, resonance of an open air column, resonance of a cavity, etc...everything tuned to the earth.

I was expecting some copper coated aluminum wire upon returning from my vacation.  It wasn't here, but the gentleman promised me that it would be shipped tomorrow.  It is for my control coils.  My collector is lamp chord, but wound in a very special, "horizontal" way.

When my wire arrives, time to take my three freq's and plug them into my harmonics generator/phase inverter and then shoot that into the collector, forming a standing wave, and then from the collector to the control coil and then from the control coil to a full wave bridge rectifier, turn it into pulsed DC and send that in as a bias through the outside loop of the collector, to pick up the current and then the bias should become the output if all goes as planned.  LOL 

Cheers,

Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: giantkiller on August 20, 2009, 11:48:22 PM
Hey!
Thought I would post what the audio equivalent is with other features. I have the inventory to test right behind ya.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo5XyZpeJ3M (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo5XyZpeJ3M)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iH3j1-NJ0Q&feature=channel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iH3j1-NJ0Q&feature=channel)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Q5DPRW5qdA&feature=channel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Q5DPRW5qdA&feature=channel)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZKJgMAwre4&feature=channel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZKJgMAwre4&feature=channel)

--giantkiller.

Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: innovation_station on August 21, 2009, 12:39:39 AM
nice gk

sounds like your blown the horn...  lol

 :D

i cant waite to fire up my 2 4 8 ohm oooohhhhmmmmm  lol 

unit i built so long ago  and now i got me a hi def cam and almost 200 acres to play around on ... 

btw i guess they were checking it out last night ...   so i do hear!!!! ;)

some bright lights in the sky real low than landed out there lastnight ...  as i was told ...  hummm

odd to say the least the loco's say...  it moved to fast to be a plane ...  and the air port is the other dirrection ... 

a well ..... cross that bridge when i get there

verry nice unit !!!!

 i  also have the bucket to fire up too ...  :)

you know ill video it tooo  ;D

ist!
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on September 06, 2009, 07:08:34 AM
I have locked this topic, until all of my notes are made public.  I will be giving out the information bit by bit to avoid information overload.  I will start with one page at a time of my .PDF.  It will not always be in order, but the information is there.  Pictures, links, etc.  And will soon upload the spreadsheet showing that the three SECRET frequencies do indeed intermodulate to do exactly as I have said.

The time for secrets has come to an end.  We need more builders hands on deck.

Tonight I start with a simple graphic, but soon you will see how utterly important it is.  Tomorrow, page 1 and perhaps 2 of my .pdf.

Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on September 07, 2009, 03:47:37 PM

Comparing two statements:
SM's:
"By starting the oscillation you cause the current to flow in the collector which causes the magnification of the process within the collector which will ultimately produce the greater voltage and power in usable amounts during operation."

Harmonic voltage and current THD paper:
"The voltage contains both the fundamental and harmonics. The farther you measure from the source, the higher the harmonic voltage generated. The increased impedance, through which the harmonic current must flow, results in higher harmonic voltage generation. (A resonant tuned tank circuit with shows an impedance of infinity.  "The total impedance of a parallel LC circuit approaches infinity as the power supply frequency approaches resonance.")  This is the opposite effect of impedance on the fundamental voltage, whereas fundamental voltage causes fundamental current flow, and harmonic current flow causes harmonic voltage".

http://ecmweb.com/mag/electric_harmonic_current_voltage/

SM:
""By starting the oscillation you cause the current to flow in the collector which causes the magnification of the process within the collector which will ultimately produce the greater voltage and power in usable amounts during operation."
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on September 08, 2009, 12:58:04 PM
Effects of Harmonics on Power Systems Paper:
"A more serious condition, with potential for substantial damage, occurs as a result of harmonic resonance. Resonant conditions are created when the inductive and capacitive reactances become equal in an electrical system. Resonance in a power system may be classified as series or parallel resonance, depending on the configuration of the resonance circuit.  Series resonance produces voltage amplification and parallel resonance causes current multiplication within an electrical system. In a harmonic rich environment, both types of resonance are present."

The "gain" of said stated condition above:
"During resonant conditions, if the amplitude of the offending frequency is large, considerable damage to capacitor banks would result. And, there is a high probability that other electrical equipment on the system would also be damaged."


http://ecmweb.com/mag/electric_effects_harmonics_power_2/

SM:
"Rotation of field. . .
How many people think about that.
If you could have a field that you could think of as a big ball.
And you could rotate it in two directions what would the ramifications be?"


Effects of harmonics on power systems:
"The harmonics are grouped into positive (+), negative (-) and zero (0) sequence components. Positive sequence harmonics (harmonic numbers 1,4,7,10,13, etc.) produce magnetic fields and currents rotating in the same direction as the fundamental frequency harmonic.

Negative sequence harmonics (harmonic numbers 2,5,8,11,14, etc.) develop magnetic fields and currents that rotate in a direction opposite to the positive frequency set. Zero sequence harmonics (harmonic numbers 3,9,15,21, etc.) do not develop usable torque, but produce additional losses in the machine. The interaction between the positive and negative sequence magnetic fields and currents produces torsional oscillations of the motor shaft. These oscillations result in shaft vibrations. If the frequency of oscillations coincides with the natural mechanical frequency of the shaft, the vibrations are amplified and severe damage to the motor shaft may occur."


http://ecmweb.com/mag/electric_effects_harmonics_power_2/

SM:
"The multiple frequencies traveling around the coils are of too high a frequency to provide for any motive effort.
They are only a means to achieve an end.
The multiple frequencies begin to feed themselves and the multiple kicks become a combined big kick. (This takes place when the "harmonics" combine)
I call it resonating."
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on September 10, 2009, 06:32:48 AM
The Tesla Papers

Pages 193 and 194

http://books.google.com/books?id=rwekkS3oD0EC&pg=PA193&lpg=PA193&dq=using+a+harmonic+of+natural+resonance+of+wire&source=bl&ots=0p7-rtFN1t&sig=q2MdGrBcItYy6OfONYT_UfVn7MM&hl=en&ei=KA0jSp3kEZqwtgOEtJyHBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10#PPA193,M1
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on September 11, 2009, 04:51:02 PM
Tomorrow I post the spreadsheet, giving the three secret frequencies and proving that SM uses intermodulation to produce 8 harmonics that combine.

Intermodulation is just a “means to an end”.  After you understand intermodulation, we will show how to “combine” the harmonics!

I release this information, because without it you will NEVER have a working SM type TPU.  SM deems the tech safe, though with dangers. 
Always put a kill switch between the battery and Frequency generators.  An overvoltage, or overheat switch would be wise as well.

SM:
“Your interest in the harmonic resonance is also stepping toward the
right direction of things.  But then again it depends on your viewpoint about exactly what harmonic resonance is and how it relates to mag fields and converting energy as does my power unit.”

AND

“First frequency then second harmonic component into the second then the third. when you eventually strike the cord look out.
you will know what has happened at that point.
In the mean time you can measure a slight output even if you do not
strike the exact cord.”

AND

SM’s Quote from the Commissioner of Atomic Energy:

“…He went on to discuss my technology in detail and reminded me of the destructive capability when the devices reach harmonic perfection.”
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on September 12, 2009, 06:46:22 AM
SM:
"The multiple frequencies traveling around the coils are of too high a frequency to provide for any motive effort.
They are only a means to achieve an end.
The multiple frequencies begin to feed themselves   and the multiple kicks become a combined big kick.
I call it resonating."[/glow]

Modulation Frequency 1:
222 KHz

Modulation Frequency 2:
115 KHz

Fundamental Frequency:     
30.075 KHz

THE ABOVE THREE FREQUENCIES ARE THE THREE SECRET INPUT FREQUENCIES for the 15" TPU, PER SM!

2nd Harmonic      60150
3rd Harmonic      90225
4th Harmonic      120300
5th Harmonic      150375
6th Harmonic      180450
7th Harmonic      210525
8th Harmonic      240600

The SPREADSHEET CAN BE DOWNLOADED HERE:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=342

Please take note, as ALL of the REPLICAS of the fundamental and it's seven Harmonics are highlighted.  Also take note how they all CONVERGE (RESONANCE IN SM MIND) at the THIRD ORDER Intermodulation.

If you do not understand how these three frequency "create" all of the others, please study INTERMODULATION.  Intermodulation is the "means to an end" to create these harmonics and have them converge. (BIG KICK!)

I reveal this because without these three input frequencies, you will get nothing.  If your Frequency(s) are off by even 1, you screw up the math and it will not work!  MUST be rock solid.  NOISE screws up the MATH, and adds unwanted frequencies.

Use a battery only to power your gens.  Be safe. 
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on September 13, 2009, 03:39:24 PM
SM's:
"When I began to study the effects of multiple frequencies combined together I found out that when you deliberately strive to create the worst case scenario of frequencies you start to get some very measurable kicks."[/b]

Worst case scenario of frequencies = Intermodulation which produces replicas of the fundamental and it's seven harmonics, but only when using those THREE input frequencies. 

Some great links to learn more:
http://www.ofcom.org.uk/static/archive/ra/topics/research/RAwebPages/Radiocomms/pages/mittech/install/intermod.htm

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Intermodulation

The following picture will also show how the spreadsheet was derived.  Starting with only the three input frequencies given.  Adding up and subtracting down.

Also to come this week, is how to wind the 15" TPU.  And so much more.  Giving it in small doses to avoid information overload.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on September 14, 2009, 04:06:36 PM

There is absolutely NO denying the fact that those two carrier frequencies of 115 KHz and 222 KHz were found and engineered in that sense to do EXACTLY what they do.  Produce copy frequencies of ANY fundamental, second harmonic and third harmonic, when a Fundamental is sent with them as a carrier (center) frequency and then to combine to them at the end. 

This is undeniable.  This is not an accident.  This is not coincidence. 

This IS WHY SM commented that people could try for a hundred years, and never guess the right frequencies.  He is correct.  We could have figured the fundamental, but NEVER the modulation frequencies, not in a million years, not without a supercomputer. 

The 115 KHz and 222 KHz are the TWO KEYS OF THREE to the ignition.  The fundamental of the particular circumference is the third.

SM:
"In the case of my power unit, you create several frequencies within a space of the collector coil's circumference.

Ingredients:
Intermodulation of our three frequencies to:
Produce replicas of the fundamental and it's seven harmonics
They all converge at the IP3 (third order intermodulation)
DC Pulsed Bias  (See attachments below)  The bias will raise the amplitude of the IP3 "created" frequencies.  The bias is our three freq's rectified (full bridge) and sent back in.  This is why it is pulsed.  It also becomes our output.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on September 15, 2009, 04:04:35 PM
More on the DC pulsed Bias-

SM:
"Remember that it is like a furnace which feeds itself.  The hotter it gets the more fuel it gives itself to burn.  That is why the control units are so very important."

The Pulsed DC Bias is the three original signals rectified, and fed back in.  As the Bias grows, so grow the amplitude of the intermodulation products as shown on the previous page.  As they grow, (the fundamental and it's harmonics) they will produce a larger bias, with will produce greater amplitude, etc.

And

"You can begin to collect the current and dissipate it with no need for amplification because the signal source also becomes the feed for the power source and has the natural tendency to run with gain."

Of course the signal source becomes the feed for the power source, because it becomes the pulsed dc bias, which collects the current and becomes the output.  It runs with gain, because the inside collector is a tuned loop antenna.

ALSO, now the following SM words makes MUCH more sense to me:

SM:
"500 v-0-500 v 300 mV plate transformer run it through a full wave silicon circuit then run it through a 5U4 electron tube rectifier."

"full wave silicone circuit" = Full Wave Bridge Rectifier [/b] (NOT half bridge)

I now know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that our ENTIRE TPU circuit, is a copy of a "...high voltage vacuum tube rectifier circuits..."

SM said:
"I originally got the idea from electron circuits which use vacuum rectifiers like the 5U4 GB or 5AR4 etc."

Will explain more on this much later.  Tomorrow I will begin to post schematics and pictures of how to build the 15" TPU.  After we will come back to some more KEY ingredients. 
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on September 16, 2009, 04:09:12 PM

SM:
"I use 15" speakers myself. They are 15" from the dead center of the outside flange to the other sides flange."

Below is a drawing of the proper way the collectors are wound for the 15".  Detailed drawings and photos will be posted each day, until the mechanical is covered.

After, we will go back to the operational.  There is much more there to cover, but to avoid information overload, we will first cover the mechanical.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on September 18, 2009, 06:14:04 AM
The following picture is a SM approved graphic

Just as the three secret frequencies came from SM.

The ONLY thing wrong with it, is that the collectors are drawn "vertical" rather than "horizontal" (as pictured in post above.)
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on September 22, 2009, 03:24:35 AM
You will understand more of the diagram in weeks to come.  As far as the inverted phase, etc.

I hope to have time to begin to post photographs as to how to properly wind the 15" TPU tomorrow night, if I have time.

Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on September 24, 2009, 01:36:43 PM
I have attempted to upload my PDF of photos to the downloads, but I recieve a "hacking attempt" message and have been unable too. 

I am sorry for the delay.  I will continue to try.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on September 25, 2009, 03:55:58 AM
Parts 1 through 3 below, to download:

Perhaps there is more than one way to get these picture to all of you.  Please download all five seperated pages of the PDF.  I still get the hacker attempt message at the downloads page.

I have also broken them down into two seperates posts.  Parts 1 thru 3 here and parts 4 and 5 on the next post.  Thank you for your patience.

Enjoy...
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on September 25, 2009, 04:04:21 AM
Below are the ALL of the files in PDF form, Pages 1 through 5:

Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on January 12, 2010, 05:37:25 AM
Evening all,

I have a RIDDLE....   What is the fastest way to stop the current???   ??? 

Answer when one wave smacks back and hits itself!!  It is stopped DEAD in its tracks for that p second.

I have decided to release more of my "notes".  Something for the real thinkers here to chew on.   :o

Tao's Post:
"Lets talk about the 'kick.'
When the old Edison DC generators were turned on, back in the day, they released this 'kick' and killed many workers in the process.
A man by the name of Tesla had seen this.
He wondered how and why this 'kick' would occur.
So he experimented with wire and disruptive discharges from capacitors.
It was found by him that this kick could be made so powerful that it could explode wires instantly.
This kick came out of the wires perpendicularly.
He discharged capacitors into stout wire and through a spark gap.
The key to the kick's strength and appearance was in how fast Tesla discharged the capacitors into the spark gap AND how fast Tesla STOPPED the flow of current AT the spark gap.
Tesla used all types of devices to stop this flow of current, magnets, a flame, counter-rotating engines.
His goals were to get the time in which the discharge is STOPPED to be much quicker.
 
As Tesla did this he found that the perpendicular radiations, the ones from the wires, caused electrical effects to appear in wires and other copper/metal materials near the STOPPED current/discharge.
These electrical effects could be made to create electrons on other wires and copper around his STOPPED current/discharge wire.   
"

SM's comment about Tao's fantastic post:
"So Lindsay, this guy definitely has the secret. I do not know if he will be able to duplicate power
generation, but he does have the secret.
Do you think he knows it?
The only part he doesn't have any idea about is that by starting the oscillation you cause the
current to flow in the collector (our dc pulsed bias) which causes the magnification of the process within the collector
which will ultimately produce the greater voltage and power in usable amounts during operation."

Now, let me tell you how SM achieved this within the TPU.  The three input frequencies intermodulate, creating ALL of these frequencies within the circumference of the TPU.  Replicating the three freq's, of f1 and it's two harmonic components many times over. 

Then what?

Well, before entering the TPU, THE SIGNAL IS SPLIT.  One leg of the SAME signal is in phase.  The other leg of the same signal is inverted.  This is done for EACH of the three input Freq's. 

How does that help us?

First, each leg is controlled by a switch.  Let's call switch 1, the "primary frequency" and it will turn on all three of the input legs that are "in phase".  The second switch is then turned on, a few seconds later.  It will turn on all three of the split signal legs with the input signal, inverted 180 degrees.

What does this have to do with what Tao said?

Each signal, in phase and inverted begin to create the intermodulation.  All the IM components created by the in phase inputs are in phase, all the IM products created by the inverted signal are inverted.  Now, please listen to me:

The way that SM "STOPS"  the current/discharge, is
 
WHEN THE SAME IN PHASE SIGNAL COMES INTO CONTACT WITH ITS INVERTED 180 degree COUNTERPART.  It is "canceled", "STOP CURRENT/DISCHARGE"   
, but where does ALL of that potential go?     
 
It goes, "As Tesla did this he found that the perpendicular radiations, the ones from the wires, caused electrical effects to appear in wires and other copper/metal materials near the STOPPED current/discharge." into our OUTPUT OUTSIDE LOOP< WHERE OUR ALL POSITIVE FULL WAVE RECTIFIED PULSED DC, PICKS UP THE PERPENDICULAR RADIATIONS AND ELECTRICAL EFFECTS, JUST LIKE THE ANODE (positive plate) OF A TUBE AND IT GAINS CURRENT AND BECOMES OUR TPU OUTPUT>   
     

But, understand this, NOT all of these created freqs are going to cause large perpendicular radiations, mainly the replicated f1's, f2's and f3's, that are at the resonant frequency of our tank circuits, so their amplitude will be larger when "stopped", BUT ESPECIALLY when ALL THREE ARE "STOPPED" at the same time. 
 
In the "audio" world, when one signal is in phase, and the same signal is inverted 180 deg, strike one another, they call it "COMBINE".   


SM's words:
"When I began to study the effects of multiple frequencies
 
combined    
(stopped current/discharge, via use of the same signal inverted 180 degrees) together I found out that when you deliberately strive to create the worst case scenario of frequencies you start to get some very measurable kicks.
In themselves they are not much.
But if you make enough of them fast sendoff (through the use of two modulation signals and a fundamental, create intermodulation for this purpose) , you get a collectible power spike that is more then the power available to begin with."

AND

"Now the high voltage power goes through the cathode and travels through the coils of the 5 volt transformer along with the 5 volt AC. (This is our in phase signal)
If the plate voltage is not rectified then it is AC with a potential 60 Hz frequency.
That  combines (STOPS current/discharge, CANCEL, COMBINE)   
 with the 5 volt 60 Hz in the coil of the htr transformer and generally amounts to nothing. In fact the power of the 5 volt transformer amounts to nothing.
It is an insignificant power supply except when the two transformers get slightly out of phase with each other (If you research tranformer theory, you find that
 
WHEN TWO TRANSFORMERS ARE OUT OF PHASE WITH EACH OTHER THE SIGNAL IS CANCELLED   
, or when they are connected in reverse of one another. (Actually when one FREQUENCY is in reverse of another!  INVERTED!)Then you can measure all kinds of things going on.
You can generate all kinds of hash and multiple frequencies, and I do mean all kinds.
What I measured during this process was very interesting.
All these frequencies occasionally
 
met at the same time   
 with a much larger kick at the output."

AND

"Sometimes the three channels (our three input freqs of two modulation freq's and the fundamental) combine (STOP CURRENT/DISCHARGE< CANCEL, COMBINE) together to create the most magnificent sound you could imagine. (The SECRET TO THE POWER PRODUCTION INTO OUR BIAS)
A whole new sound stage opens up and suddenly you are transformed to someplace else." (Yes, a WORKING TPU)

AND

"...disable the EFFECTS of the flux and allow the electrons to float free from the wire"  (SAME SIGNAL OPPOSING ITSELF, BUT ONE IS INVERTED 180 DEGREES.  This disables the effects of the flux, and produces perpendicular radiation and electrical effects in wire near by.  Inside the attached second conductor of our lamp chord.

So, a Known idea, such as an hv inverted phase, canceling it's partner, produces perpendicular radiations and electrical effects in wire near by.  This is then picked up by our all positive pulsed DC bias and becomes the current in our output.

So in summery, we have:  Pure frequency to nonlinear amplifier, driven at hv, signal split, one leg in phase into control wire, one phase inverted placed in collector, freq's at the end of the control wires are full wave rectified, fed INTO the OUTPUT OUTER LOOP of our TPU where the ALL POSITIVE pulsed DC BIAS PICKS UP the perpendicular radiations and electrical effects, where it becomes current in our output which was also the bias.

SM's words:
"I am using 6BQ7-A tubes for the input
 
and phase inverter (needed to "STOP the current/discharge)   
 because they are VHF amplifier triodes designed to operate in Color TV at very high frequencies and so you can imagine how crystal clear my high frequencies are in my stereo amplifier."

AND

"You have one stage of amplification,
 
one stage of signal phase splitting   
and driving and one stage of power output, all at high voltage low current. This means FAST!"

The signal has to be split and then a leg inverted.  both legs must be from the same source for this to work. Tesla states that you can have all kinds of electrons flowing through a wire traveling in different directions relating only to their potential power source.  For them to SMACK (my word) into each other, it must be the SAME source, split signal, one leg in phase and the other leg exactly 180 degrees out of phase.  It must be at resonance of the wire, or tuned tank circuit.  You can use lamp chord, and the kick will show up in the "empty" conductor.  LOL  Sounds kinda familiar, eh?  Easier though, IMHO When wanting to create incalculable kicks per second.  Remember, the "in phase leg" produces intermodulation all of the same phase.  The "inverted phase leg" produces intermodulation all at the inverted phase.  Cool huh?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCZ1zFPvrIc&NR=1

Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on January 13, 2010, 03:23:57 AM
I have highlighted the parts below, in case some still don't understand what SM is saying.  I will dissect it for you.....  ;D

SM's Words:

"Now the high voltage (High voltage, but what is it being input into?  ???  a 5 volt Transformer!! can you say, "Over Saturation"?  LOL)  this power goes through the cathode and travels through the coils of the 5 volt transformer along with the 5 volt AC.
If the plate voltage is not rectified then it is AC with a potential 60 Hz frequency.
That  combines (STOPS current/discharge, CANCEL, COMBINE, establishes a STANDING WAVE)   
 with the 5 volt 60 Hz in the coil of the htr transformer and generally amounts to nothing. In fact the power of the 5 volt transformer amounts to nothing.
It is an insignificant power supply except when the two transformers get slightly out of phase with each other (If you research tranformer theory, you find that
 
WHEN TWO TRANSFORMERS ARE OUT OF PHASE WITH EACH OTHER THE SIGNAL IS CANCELLED in that it establishes a STANDING WAVE!
   
, or when they are connected in reverse of one another. (Actually when one FREQUENCY is in reverse of another!  INVERTED!)Then you can measure all kinds of things going on.
You can generate all kinds of hash and multiple frequencies, and I do mean all kinds.
What I measured during this process was very interesting.
All these frequencies occasionally
met at the same time with a much larger kick at the output."

P.S. Standing waves assist the production of INTERMODULATION PRODUCTS otherwise called "generate all kinds of hash and MULTIPLE FREQUENCIES.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Magluvin on January 13, 2010, 03:40:04 AM
Hey Bruce
Just saw the new post and stopped in. Are you posting by yourself here?
 Just didnt see any conversation.

What do you think of Agentgates coil setup?

Just asking because you seem to know what your talking about here ;]

Magluvin
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Magluvin on January 13, 2010, 03:42:27 AM
By the way I like the standing wave/hash making. So how often would the freq align?

Mags
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: sparks on January 13, 2010, 04:10:07 AM
  Electromagnetic echoes are cool.  You stand at the edge of a lake that is bowl shaped.  You holler and now you hear your holler 10 20 times.  Whereas without resonance (re sounding) you never hear it you just radiate it. Once and it is gone.   Phased input into an electromagnetic system at resonance gets us a very highly energetic system.  When Tesla made his wire explode (later on he found out he didnt have to make it explode) the rate of change in electrical polarization of the ends of his big conductors surpassed the speed of light.  When this happened the polarization information could not be radiated.  So the ENERGY DENSITY per cubic centimeter of this highly polarized field increased alot.  This is happening faster than electromagnetic waves can radiate the information of the polarity change of this space. There is a shitload of change going on but there is no way for the information to be conveyed as emwaves.  Emwaves can only exist as space energy density changes relative to a certain rate of change we call time.  Therefore the supplier of time became apparent.  This supplier is the relative energy density of space.  When the energy density of space is altered at a rate below the speed of light we get radiation.  When it is altered at a rate above the speed of light we get antiradiation or cohesion.  Electromagnetic waves convert into mass.  Photons go in and never come back out.\
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: ramset on January 13, 2010, 04:14:25 AM
Fifty thousand reads!!

He's not talking to himself Mags

Chet
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Magluvin on January 13, 2010, 04:32:25 AM
Well Chet until I posted he was the only one. =]
Sparks, Man if we could go back and hang with Tesla.  He was probably a bitter old guy with not much time for chit chat. But man he put his money where his mouth was. Imagine having the funding he had and what he spent it on. The finest of all that could be had or made. And the variety of things he knew, like where did he find the time for it all. Being single helps.

Mags
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: SPP-48 on January 13, 2010, 04:59:35 AM
Hi Bruce

Welcome back.

My 15" unit is all wound, tuned and ready to go as per your specs.
I have built one 180 degree signal inverter. Are you saying that we will need one for each frequency?

Thanks

Sam

PS: the blue colour is the teflon tape.


Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: sparks on January 13, 2010, 06:09:26 AM
  @Mag

  He got all his funding from getting rid of a commutator in a dc generator.  I read an old book once dated before Tesla came on the scene.  The guy figured out why a dc motor runs.  It has everything to do with magnetic field lines and can be duplicated with magnets polarized to immitate dc currents in an armature.  There is no need for a commutator since the armature is always relavent to the same field polarity as it travels inbetween the rings.  Something like a planet does.  The magnetic polarization around a current carrying conductor is spiraled in one direction.  In the case of the dc permanent magnet motor pictured below the armature currents produce a circular magnetic field that cancels out the magnetic field from the field pole magnets in the direction of acceleration and reinforce them on the side of the conductor opposite the direction of acceleration.  This causes the conductor to fall into it's own magnetic vacuum while riding a pressure wave coming from behind.  As you can see the direction of current needs to be first shorted by the commutator then reversed as the armature conductor is caused to go through the stationary field but in the opposite direction.   In the no pole motor this is not the case.  The armature conductor is always travelling the same way relative to the field flux lines.  There is no need for commutation.  The armature currents need not be reversed so the armature conductors can be replaced with a permanent magnet manufactured to duplicate the magnetic field produced by a current carrying conductor.  No need to flip the magnetism because the field is homogenous.  Wonder if I'll make as much money as Tesla getting rid of a commutator. ??? :D
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on January 13, 2010, 06:24:54 AM
Hi Sam,

Three DDS SINE waves, each at one of the given frequencies for producing intermodulation of the harmonics (see spreadsheet from previous page.)  These three frequencies will NOT intermodulate, unless they are "mixed".  The mixer can be one tube amp, or type A amp, or a "harmonics generator" like the one I am releasing below, that was designed for me to my specs.  It also splits the signal at the end and inverts one phase of it.  So the end result is that at the output, you end up with the IDENTICAL signal which are the three "secret" frequencies MIXED, SPLIT, with one leg in phase and the other leg 180 degrees out of phase.  Then and only THEN are they ready to INTERMODULATE in a properly wound coil.   Can anyone say...vibration??  LOL

Cheers,

Bruce

P.S.  I kept this topic locked for a while, as I wanted to keep the pertinent information close together and easy to find!

P.S.S.  I also have included an article that is the crux of the matter.  SM uses WORST CASE SCENARIOS for frequencies (harmonic resonance, intermodulation, standing waves, over saturation of core) to make power.  He is one smart and observant individual.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: SPP-48 on January 13, 2010, 07:47:49 AM
Thanks Bruce

The harmonics generator looks good.
I have just ordered the op amps and hopefully should be ready to run in a few weeks.

Cheers

Sam


Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on January 13, 2010, 02:31:03 PM
Thanks Bruce

The harmonics generator looks good.
I have just ordered the op amps and hopefully should be ready to run in a few weeks.

Cheers

Sam

Hi Sam, 

Your coil looked good, by the way!  It should make a good test bed.  I know that you put a lot of time into it.  It didn't take me that long to build the circuit...I built it "dead bug" style.  Legs in the air, parts glued. 

There is a bit more information to "tune" or "optimize" the coil, but I'll post that later, and that shouldn't keep you from seeing some of the effects.

Have you tuned each of your three collectors as a resonant tank to the proper frequencies, already, and verified that?
Bruce, this is looking very interesting.

Be assured, I have been watching, and am very re-assured that certain other "Information" is not part of this.  I'll admit, right now, that you are making me pull out a coil I made, and never tested properly.

Amazingly enough, it looks almost exactly like what you have there, but for two turns on the collectors, instead of three.  As I am not about to go searching for new freq. of operation, I guess I should re-wind, but do you think that different frequencies could produce a useable result without re-winding.  (I would assume so, but we all know where assuming gets us.)

Also, I must quietly mention that your desc. of Operation fits too well with certain deeper theory I have been learning about.  I can easily see where the mixing can produce slew rates that are beyond what electronics alone could generate directly, and allowing these to attempt to cancel while establishing a standing osc., adding the "Induced" effects, whew...  (You explain it better....  I'm just happy to be able to picture the field op.)

I must quickly create a single loop unit, to see if any effects are available without the added complexity.  Even if it only lit 1 LED, with no input power required other that startup, it would be a proven concept.

Power to you, and thanks for the data.  This actually may be a good research direction.  (I'm still in it for the learning....)

By the way, do you really think a supercomputer is needed for other calcs, or just a 3d equation, solved simal...   That is what I would call an interesting calculus problem.

Hi Loner,

I am still blown away by the two "modulation" frequencies.  However SM did it, it took some figuring..LOL

I should have shared this last part about the standing waves earlier.  There are two more secret parts to the coil design, but that should only "optimize" things.  I will share them later.

I would not change your coil right now.  Use the coil you have wound, and mix the three "special" frequencies and then establish a standing wave, even in just one collector.  This would be a good start.  It still needs the hv bias, etc. but that would be a good start.  or take two transformers, establish the standing wave using them and you will see all of the intermodulation in the middle, when hv or over saturation of the core is used. 

As long as your coil is 15" and you set up the collectors as resonant tanks to the "Harmonics" of the primary frequency.  REMEMBER do not set up resonant tanks with your modulation frequencies, but ONLY of the primary and it's second and third harmonics.  Refer to the spreadsheet two pages back for those!

Cheers,

Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: SPP-48 on January 16, 2010, 06:13:30 PM
Hi Sam, 

Have you tuned each of your three collectors as a resonant tank to the proper frequencies, already, and verified that?

Bruce

Hi Bruce
I tuned the coils using function generator (sine wave) and oscilloscope.
These are the resonant frequencies of the coils at present:

Coil 1 (top – should be 30.075 kHz)  Mine = 30.08 kHz with 2.8uF.
Coil 2 (middle – should be 60.15 kHz) Mine = 60.29 kHz with 1.38 uF.
Coil 3 (bottom – should be 90.225 kHz) Mine = 90.21 kHz with 0.67uF.

If you think coil 2 is too far off I could probably improve that. I just need to get some more caps. Anyway, I recall reading somewhere that it may be a good idea to be slightly off the optimum frequencies to minimise runaway effects.

I’m still waiting for the op amp chips, but have started planning the harmonic generator. You don’t by any chance have a circuit board diagram for it?

Cheers

Sam
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on January 17, 2010, 01:02:00 AM
Hi Sam,

You want to tune as CLOSE to the exact frequencies as possible.  Think of it as playing basketball with math..LOL

Our three frequencies intermodulate to produce REPLICAS of the fundamental, it's second and third harmonic.  A "score" is when a created frequency matches the tank circuit, exactly.  So...please use a trimmer cap to get to the exact resonant frequencies for your tank circuits.  Please...!   ;)

Your doing great...keep on going...

Cheers,

Bruce

EDIT:
No, no circuit board diagram.  I built mine, "dead bug" style...LOL
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: SPP-48 on January 23, 2010, 05:49:10 PM
Hi Bruce

Just an update on where I am at with the build.

I have trimmer caps for the coils now and should be able to get them tuned spot on.

I have built the Harmonics Gen, but am still ironing out some problems:

·   One problem is getting three sine wave inputs of similar quality and strength. I have three FG’s but they are all different types. FG2 is very old and not working properly. The output is nowhere near the specs of 10vPP. I will need to replace it.

·   My spectrum analyser only goes up to 100kHz, so I may need to do something about that.

·   I have added mode switches for  (1) 3 frequencies intermodulated, (2) 3 frequencies harmonics, and  (3) 1 frequency harmonics. But they are not working. I can only get an output in Mode 1. (I may need to check the connections).

The attached pdf shows some images and the circuit mods. I don’t have an electronics background, so let me know if I’m off track.

 All good fun!!

Sam
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on January 24, 2010, 11:41:00 PM
Hi Bruce

Just an update on where I am at with the build.

I have trimmer caps for the coils now and should be able to get them tuned spot on.

I have built the Harmonics Gen, but am still ironing out some problems:

·   One problem is getting three sine wave inputs of similar quality and strength. I have three FG’s but they are all different types. FG2 is very old and not working properly. The output is nowhere near the specs of 10vPP. I will need to replace it.

·   My spectrum analyser only goes up to 100kHz, so I may need to do something about that.

·   I have added mode switches for  (1) 3 frequencies intermodulated, (2) 3 frequencies harmonics, and  (3) 1 frequency harmonics. But they are not working. I can only get an output in Mode 1. (I may need to check the connections).

The attached pdf shows some images and the circuit mods. I don’t have an electronics background, so let me know if I’m off track.

 All good fun!!

Sam


Hi Sam,

I am going to send off a copy of your circuit modifications to my friend who designed the Harmonics Gen for me... and will let you know about your switching problems.

Good job on the trimmer caps!  The devil is ALWAYS in the details...and very few understand that...LOL

I purchased from ebay three identical DDS sine gens, and had him pre load each with the frequency of my choosing. 

Please describe how you are tuning your tank circuits for resonance?  (I know with a cap...lol, but give me step by step, please.   ;) )

P.S.  Your spectrum analyzer may work fine for this, remember, we are interested in the f1 and it's second and third harmonic primarily.  You should be able to see when they are created and when ALL THREE come together, for that is the power shot!!  (reference spreadsheet if need be)


Good job,

Bruce

Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: SPP-48 on January 25, 2010, 05:36:25 PM
Hi Bruce

To tune the coils I set up connectors as a capacitor bank as in the pic below. I added a 1M resistor and a 60-160pf tuning capacitor to each bank. I then connected the FG (HP 3310A with fine tune knob) Oscilloscope, and two multimeters, one to measure Frequency and the other to measure AC.

Starting from a rough guess cap value it is just a process of adding and deleting caps to achieve the appropriate resonant frequency. The oscilloscope wave jumps are fairly accurate, and then I use the AC readings in uA or mV to 3 decimal places to fine tune.

It takes about 2-3 hrs to tune one coil.

The only problem is that once all three are tuned in order, the first and second have gone off by up to -1Hz. Its obvious that the three coils interact and I’m not sure what to do about this. Do we tune the coils separately and then bring them together? Or just keep repeating the process again and again until the error margin gets smaller and smaller?

Cheers

Sam
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: MasterPlaster on January 26, 2010, 12:44:50 AM
Note: Coulumb's law is flexible:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4I5mgBKPZY&feature=sub


Don't forget to read the conclsion.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/25455268/Control-of-the-Natural-Forces
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: SPP-48 on January 26, 2010, 08:18:29 AM
@Bruce

I have re-tuned the coils twice more and it seems to be working. I’m down to about 0.1-0.2 Hz off after the 3rd pass. The trimmers are set centrally, and should pick up about plus or minus  0.1Hz.
Anyway, I believe it might be wiser to wait until the rig is all wired up and do a final tune before the run.

Sam
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: SPP-48 on January 26, 2010, 08:57:46 AM
@Bruce

I believe the Harmonic generator may be OK now.
I found the mode switch incorrectly wired, and the second FG got working again with a few bangs to the side.
These are the shots for each mode, USB Spectrum Analyzer, and Oscilloscope on the left and CRT Oscilloscope on the right. Taken from the Non-Inverted output.

Sam
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on January 26, 2010, 02:30:37 PM
Hi Sam,

I smell the sweet sound of progress!   ;D

Great job on your description of tuning to resonance, and I am sure many in our community found it helpful.

Now, you need VERY stable DDS gens.  I will send you mine to borrow, IF you publicly promise to return to me when done....LOL

please email me your address!

Thank you for all of your hard work,

Bruce
Title: [b]Bruce_TPU Adds New Website for Alternative Energy News and Research![/b]
Post by: Bruce_TPU on January 26, 2010, 02:31:43 PM
Bruce_TPU Adds New Website for Alternative Energy News and Research!

Hello everyone!  I am very excited to announce the launch of my new website today and believe that everyone in our community will find it both beneficial and addictive on a daily basis.

My hope is that it will become your hub for Alternative Energy News and Reading Research.  It is NOT a forum...lol, but a HUB.

If there are research links or news topics I have missed (I am sure there will be) please list them here or write it in my "tips" box on my website and I will gladly consider it.

PLEASE link back to my new site from your web sites to help bring traffic and to assist it's birth.

http://www.energyfreedomreport.com

Thank you all so much!

Kind regards,

Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: SPP-48 on January 27, 2010, 02:36:39 AM
Hi Bruce

Thanks for the offer to loan your DDS Sine Gens. I don't know if you realize I'm in Australia. 
If you can give me the details of what you have and where you got yours, I would prefer to get my own.
I am also trying to build up my research lab, so some good gear wont go astray.

PS: Congratulations on your new website. Well done. Looks like a lot of work has gone into it.

Cheers

Sam

Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on January 28, 2010, 06:28:50 AM
Hi Bruce

Thanks for the offer to loan your DDS Sine Gens. I don't know if you realize I'm in Australia. 
If you can give me the details of what you have and where you got yours, I would prefer to get my own.
I am also trying to build up my research lab, so some good gear wont go astray.

PS: Congratulations on your new website. Well done. Looks like a lot of work has gone into it.

Cheers

Sam

Hi Sam,

I bought my three from the following: 

http://www.pongrance.com/super-dds.html

I should mention that he worked with me very well.  He does very nice work!

They are also the perfect size for keeping inside of the center of the TPU.

I hope that helps...  ;)

P.S. VERY IMPORTANT:  I contacted him via email and paid a few dollars extra because I needed fine adjustment and his plus or minus of 1 hz was too large for what we are doing here.  As usual, the devil is in the details...LOL


Cheers,


Bruce
http://www.energyfreedomreport.com
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: SPP-48 on January 29, 2010, 02:21:06 AM

Hi Bruce

Thanks for the info. I will investigate.

Cheers

Sam
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on January 29, 2010, 03:35:58 AM
Hi Sam,

Beautiful circuit schematic!  (Sam drew and emailed this to me based on my original drawing.) On setting up your standing waves, I would suggest grounding either to the board or your Power Supply(?), which MUST be a battery.  Too much noise from the mains in the lines and will mess up the "Math" of our intermodulation game of basketball.  What is cool is that this intermodulation will occur with BOTH all the new frequencies created inverted and inphase.  Most are not capable of wrapping their mind around that fact!  And when they ALL slam together (standing wave) where is the power on the Null?  It doesn't disappear, it goes perpendicular into the the wire next to it...Our bias picks it up and it becomes CURRENT that is added.  Resonance increased the Slam when resonance matches CREATED frequency.  Intermodulation Basketball, but in the end, ALL the harmonics "combine", "come together" and there is a great deal of "current" that will be picked up by our bias...

Kind Regards,

Bruce
http://www.energyfreedomreport.com
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: SPP-48 on January 29, 2010, 05:03:50 AM
@all

Sorry, just noticed an error in the TPU wiring diagram above.

Inner coil 3 (Bottom) is incorrectly labelled as coil 2 (middle).

Will update when time permits.

Sam
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on January 29, 2010, 05:19:50 AM
@all

Sorry, just noticed an error in the TPU wiring diagram above.

Inner coil 3 (Bottom) is incorrectly labelled as coil 2 (middle).

Will update when time permits.

Sam

It's Fixed!
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on January 29, 2010, 11:26:35 AM
hi everyone

don't think too deep, the solution is easy!  :)
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on February 18, 2010, 03:14:06 AM
Hi Sam,

Just checking to see how things are going...! 

If you only knew how stoked I am about you firing this up.

Kind regards,

Bruce
http://EnergyFreedomReport.com
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: SPP-48 on February 18, 2010, 09:20:49 AM
Hi Sam,

Just checking to see how things are going...! 

If you only knew how stoked I am about you firing this up.

Kind regards,

Bruce
http://EnergyFreedomReport.com

Hi Bruce

Things are progressing slowly but surely.

The three function generators are now complete and work well. I have built the FG’s on a single PCB which now fits over the harmonics generator. See photos.

I spent a lot of time trying to amplify the XR2206 sinewave output from 6v pp to 10v pp without distortion. I tried various opamp, transistor and mosfet amplification circuits but have still not managed to resolve this to my satisfaction. It’s a pity we are not using square waves, as they come out at about 12v pp. I have left that problem for now as I don’t really know how important it is to have 10v.

I also built a battery power supply comprising 3x9v rechargeable batteries to power the FG’s and Harmonics generator via voltage regulators. 18v for the FG’s and 12v for the HG.

The whole system has been wired up as per the wiring diagram previously posted, which as I suspected, has upset the resonant frequencies of the three inner coils. To simplify the tuning of these coils I have added a small adjustable ferrite core inductor to each coil which seems to work really well in allowing a reasonable amount of adjustment to the resonant frequency. I don’t know if this will have any detrimental effect on the performance, but it sure makes it easier to tune.

That brings me to the other problem. Measuring the frequencies. Whether I use a DMM, Analogue or digital Oscilloscope, Spectrum analyser, different DMM’s, the frequency readings are all different. Also, I don’t have the facility to read more than 2 decimal places. To overcome this I bought a frequency counter on Ebay (4 decimal places) which should arrive soon and intend to use that exclusively for all measurements.

Once I get the frequencies nailed I was going to try a run.

Cheers

Sam
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: giantkiller on February 18, 2010, 07:15:35 PM
Your outer windings are crisscrossed at certain points instead of sequences. This build will jack the field randomnly instead of a sequencial circumferential push. The crossovers promote electrostatics at random places in the field. Smooth construction, smooth frequencies, smooth fields, smooth heterodyning, and smooth harmonics promote smooth power out. If not, then why all the effort?

Check it out. Without the symmetry one cannot attain correctly timed reflections.

At least that is what I see in your pictures.
You receive what you ask for... 8)

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on February 19, 2010, 01:51:10 AM
Your outer windings are crisscrossed at certain points instead of sequences. This build will jack the field randomnly instead of a sequencial circumferential push. The crossovers promote electrostatics at random places in the field. Smooth construction, smooth frequencies, smooth fields, smooth heterodyning, and smooth harmonics promote smooth power out. If not, then why all the effort?

Check it out. Without the symmetry one cannot attain correctly timed reflections.

At least that is what I see in your pictures.
You receive what you ask for... 8)

--giantkiller.

Hi Paul,

How are you my friend? 

Are you referring to his leads, that appear to be crossed over one another?

Thanks!

Bruce
http://EnergyFreedomReport.com
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on February 19, 2010, 02:00:58 AM
Hi Bruce

Things are progressing slowly but surely.

The three function generators are now complete and work well. I have built the FG’s on a single PCB which now fits over the harmonics generator. See photos.

I spent a lot of time trying to amplify the XR2206 sinewave output from 6v pp to 10v pp without distortion. I tried various opamp, transistor and mosfet amplification circuits but have still not managed to resolve this to my satisfaction. It’s a pity we are not using square waves, as they come out at about 12v pp. I have left that problem for now as I don’t really know how important it is to have 10v.

I also built a battery power supply comprising 3x9v rechargeable batteries to power the FG’s and Harmonics generator via voltage regulators. 18v for the FG’s and 12v for the HG.

The whole system has been wired up as per the wiring diagram previously posted, which as I suspected, has upset the resonant frequencies of the three inner coils. To simplify the tuning of these coils I have added a small adjustable ferrite core inductor to each coil which seems to work really well in allowing a reasonable amount of adjustment to the resonant frequency. I don’t know if this will have any detrimental effect on the performance, but it sure makes it easier to tune.

That brings me to the other problem. Measuring the frequencies. Whether I use a DMM, Analogue or digital Oscilloscope, Spectrum analyser, different DMM’s, the frequency readings are all different. Also, I don’t have the facility to read more than 2 decimal places. To overcome this I bought a frequency counter on Ebay (4 decimal places) which should arrive soon and intend to use that exclusively for all measurements.

Once I get the frequencies nailed I was going to try a run.

Cheers

Sam

Hi Sam,

It is looking great, your controller.  If we need higher voltage later (which I am sure we will) my friend who remains nameless will design a power amp stage for us and boost the volts to about 300 to 500 for us.  But we will see something even at this low voltage, but it will not be like 1.5KW OU on first run...lol.  Proof of concept and other things we are looking for.  Power out, increase in current, vibrating coil, etc. 

It would be great to set up a web cam when you get ready to fire it up...and I am there!!   ;)

Kind Regards,

Bruce
http://www.EnergyFreedomReport.com

EDIT:  And there will be no way to "read" all of the hundreds of created freqs, from the intermodulation.  What you will be able to read, is when ALL the harmonics hit at one time (see bottom right corner of spreadsheet) and you will have a "ringer" in each collector wire that will register power. 
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: giantkiller on February 19, 2010, 03:47:59 AM
Hi,
Yes. http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2300.0;attach=42190;image (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2300.0;attach=42190;image)
The ones in the foreground are crossovers. The ones in the background are sequenced correctly. Pretty obvious...
I didnt forget about ya,
I am testing the previous coils at this time. I have also made a smaller build of your concept. It is a compound of yours, the ecd, my steel and copper spools and the GK4. I finished winding it today and will relay results.
There is no ferrous IN the coil, but AROUND the coil. ;)
I find it amazing how you reduced the harmonic corners from the square pulses to match the impedance of the steel resonance! Pretty slick, dude!

How's the book coming along? I was asked if I would write a book for the billionth time today. There is more adventure time than writing time.  :o

Hi Paul,

How are you my friend? 

Are you referring to his leads, that appear to be crossed over one another?

Thanks!

Bruce
http://EnergyFreedomReport.com
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on February 19, 2010, 03:56:51 AM
Hi,
Yes. (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2300.0;attach=42190;image)
The ones in the foreground are crossovers. The ones in the background are sequenced correctly. Pretty obvious...
I didnt forget about ya,
I am testing the previous coils at this time. I have also made a smaller build of your concept. It is a compound of yours, the ecd, my steel and copper spools and the GK4. I finished winding it today and will relay results.
There is no ferrous IN the coil, but AROUND the coil. ;)

How's the book coming along? I was asked if I would write a book for the billionth time today. There is more adventure time than writing time.  :o

The book is progressing very well!  It is being published by Eloquent Books.  It just came out of editing last week and is being "galley proofed" by a select group of proofers and then lastly, when they are completed, by me.  Then it goes to text art, then cover art, then marketing...LOL  It is quite an ordeal.  But, it should be out this Spring, if all goes well.  I will let you (and everyone else know too).  It took me ten long years to complete. 

I look very forward to your tests as well! 

Kind regards,

Bruce
http://www.EnergyFreedomReport.com
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: giantkiller on February 19, 2010, 04:10:24 AM
The key is very low inductance. That facilitates Bloch wall perturbance. High inductance equals many flux which a small power can not perturb. Your horizontal windings are low inductance and your vertical windings are low inductance. So, many windings are bad. We don't want an electromagnet. A weak field can be tamed yet can integrate with the surrounding environment.

The book is progressing very well!  It is being published by Eloquent Books.  It just came out of editing last week and is being "galley proofed" by a select group of proofers and then lastly, when they are completed, by me.  Then it goes to text art, then cover art, then marketing...LOL  It is quite an ordeal.  But, it should be out this Spring, if all goes well.  I will let you (and everyone else know too).  It took me ten long years to complete. 

I look very forward to your tests as well! 

Kind regards,

Bruce
http://www.EnergyFreedomReport.com
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on February 19, 2010, 05:13:21 AM
Hi Sam,

I was just rereading your post and want to make sure that I understand... Because I now think that I misunderstood your concern...

Your frequency is different no matter how you measure it, Scope, Spectrum analyzer, etc... Are you referring to the three starter input freq's? 

Did you use DDS, or crystal so there is no drift?  If you are referring to each of our three starter frequencies, they indeed need to be dead on the money, or the math will not work, at all.

What percentage of accuracy is your scope rated at?  Any idea?

I will think on this...

Cheers,

Bruce
http://www.EnergyFreedomReport.com

EDIT:
Well it would appear that a frequency counter is certainly the way to go.  If you used a crystal for each of the three freq's or programmed DDS for each of the three input freq's, I'd feel better....

If they "drift 1 hz" the math is screwed and the resonant tanks useless.  Pure frequency.  This is what gave SM heartburn for years, and he didn't have half the electronic goodies we do.  He went with military boards, soldered a half inch above board, just to guard against drift.  It is always about the math.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: SPP-48 on February 19, 2010, 11:29:40 AM
Your outer windings are crisscrossed at certain points instead of sequences.
--giantkiller.

Thanks for the comments.
I know what you are referring to with the control coils.
They do cross at a number of points. I can fix that.

Cheers

Sam
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: SPP-48 on February 19, 2010, 12:03:34 PM
Hi Sam,
I was just rereading your post and want to make sure that I understand... Because I now think that I misunderstood your concern...
Your frequency is different no matter how you measure it, Scope, Spectrum analyzer, etc... Are you referring to the three starter input freq's? 
Did you use DDS, or crystal so there is no drift?  If you are referring to each of our three starter frequencies, they indeed need to be dead on the money, or the math will not work, at all.

What percentage of accuracy is your scope rated at?  Any idea?

I will think on this...

Cheers,

Bruce
http://www.EnergyFreedomReport.com

EDIT:
Well it would appear that a frequency counter is certainly the way to go.  If you used a crystal for each of the three freq's or programmed DDS for each of the three input freq's, I'd feel better....
If they "drift 1 hz" the math is screwed and the resonant tanks useless.  Pure frequency.  This is what gave SM heartburn for years, and he didn't have half the electronic goodies we do.  He went with military boards, soldered a half inch above board, just to guard against drift.  It is always about the math.

Hi Bruce

I am referring to measurements of the three starter frequencies and the resonant frequencies of the inner coils, and I'm only talking about very small numbers. For example I have 3 DMM's that measure frequency, and they can differ by 0.01 Hz. I guess because I'm fairly new to this game I don't have quality test gear. All my gear is from Ebay or Dick Smith collected over the last few years. The same applies to measuring the resonant frequencies. That’s why I decided to get the Frequency Counter

The 3 starter frequencies are not DDS or crystal but generated by XR2206 FG chip. There is a small amount of drift at first but is seems to settle down after a few minutes. It’s just a matter of adjustment until they stabilize. I have built a 3 way switch box for quickly switching each frequency to the measuring instrument.

Cheers

Sam
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: giantkiller on February 19, 2010, 08:04:49 PM
If you see other harmonics, sporadic spikes, or harmonic shifts as in a jerking in the opposite direction on the scope then you got drift. Slow the time base on the scope down and look at moire patterns closely. All planes of patterns should be smooth. LCD scopes are not as defined as analog tube scopes. Obviously. And with the rounded square waves you have omitted half the problem.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on March 04, 2010, 02:40:42 AM
Hi Sam,

I was thinking about you today and wanting to see that all is well.  I also ran across this little tidbit that speaks of the phenomenon that we are going to create in this coil.  The only difference of course is we are using specific frequencies, one which will "react" to our 15" diameter at a much higher harmonic, and two modulation frequencies that will produce all of the harmonics we could want.

But this "phenomenon" (their word!) that they are warning of is what we want to create.  We simply are creating these frequencies as a means to an end, and that is to create in our three resonant tanks this "phenomenon".  Of course you understand this, but wrote that part for the readers.

Kind regards,

Bruce

Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: SPP-48 on March 04, 2010, 04:00:46 PM
Hi Bruce

Unfortunately TPU work has slowed recently due to work and other commitments finally catching up.

But I now realise that the antenna and collector coils are not right. I was suspicious when the amount of capacitance I needed was much higher than the values you gave in the diagrams. Also, on the scope, the voltages at resonance were quite low compared to other resonant coils I have played around with in the past.

When I connected a LED to each of the coils in turn and fed the appropriate resonant frequency from the FG into it, the LED would not light up. So I wound a separate 15” test coil with more turns and smaller capacitor and the voltages were much higher at resonance and able to light up a 12v LED from the FG input.

In summary, my original coils were 3 turns of square thick speaker cable. The coil inductance value was 0.009mH. The new test coil I wound with 5 turns of circular speaker wire (same as that used for the control coils), with an inductance value of 0.034mH. The capacitor values have come down substantially. The capacitor values for coils 1 to 3 will now be approx. 0.823uF, 0.206uF and 0.092uF.

Anyway, I see my next task as taking the TPU apart and rewinding the antenna and collector coils as per my test coil and then re-tuning the antenna coils.

Cheers

Sam
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: SPP-48 on March 05, 2010, 07:04:20 AM
Hi Bruce

Just some more thoughts. I have decided to leave the old TPU intact and build a new one going back to the basics. I have read through the material again looking for the relationship between the 15" coil circumference and the fundamental frequency, but can't seem to find it. The circumference of the coil is 1.196947metres, and the wavelength of the 30.075Khz frequency is 9.9682e+3 metres. Am I missing something. I can't reconcile the two numbers.

Cheers

Sam

Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on March 05, 2010, 08:13:21 AM
Hi Bruce

Just some more thoughts. I have decided to leave the old TPU intact and build a new one going back to the basics. I have read through the material again looking for the relationship between the 15" coil circumference and the fundamental frequency, but can't seem to find it. The circumference of the coil is 1.196947metres, and the wavelength of the 30.075Khz frequency is 9.9682e+3 metres. Am I missing something. I can't reconcile the two numbers.

Cheers

Sam

Yes, you are not considering the frequencies created via intermodulation. 

The TPU is Wound as drawn by Mannix and approved drawing by Steven Mark.  Steven said 3 to 5 turns on the collector.  Use Lamp chord, and wind both as I described.  Set it up to catch the harmonics and pump it with the intermodulation.  If you want to think it through in normal terms good luck.  It won't work.

Roberto has built, nearly the same thing, slightly differant, and is the closest thing to OU he has built. 

Just get the tanks correct, and throw in the three freq's.  Nature will do the rest.

At least fire up the coil you have wound.  Don't worry about LED's, as long as your tanks are set right, let her rip.

You are looking for "resonance" as electrically defined.  That is not the only resonance we are wanting here.  SM taps into harmonics of 7.3, and tunes the collectors for standing waves (overpressure waves) using nodes and anti nodes to move the electrons.  But all that is too much info.

Three to five turns of lamp chord as described.  Wound as described.  intermodulate the three signals, rectify them and send them into the coils as the bias.  Done.  We can get fancy later, and I know why the 15" TPU is the height it is (resonant cavity set to 7.3 Hz), etc.  But we just want "proof". 

Best regards, and passionate about this,

Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: szaxx on March 09, 2010, 03:16:50 AM
Hi All,

Im building a slight variant of the coil, have 2 layers complete need bits for the 3rd.
Testing build so far Ive made it self-oscillate for now (mosfet cct) and found the circuit gives an output (test lamps) on all coils when resonant, each a similar brilliance, however when driven by a variant of the AG coil Im working on, the required power for the same output is a magnitude lower. Unexpected but there is a coil inside the original unit isn't there. If when complete this drops another magnitude then ...may be...In the real world though theres a lot for this driver coil as it will oscillate any resonant coil presented to it from 1KHZ to over 3MHZ applying the test device directly across the output coil.

Keep up the work here as its in the right direction...Im still reading this thread and all info herein.

Cheers Steve.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: e2matrix on April 19, 2010, 03:35:55 AM
New to this thread as I had thought I heard years ago that this had been shown to be fake.  Apparently not and I'll say I always had hoped it could work more than most ideas I've seen.  Solid state + High power = a Winner in my book.  Any new progress on the build here?  I just spent several hours saving info from this thread.  If I ever get my shop finished I'll probably give this one a try.  This whole concept seems to parallel  an idea I've had for years of getting power to feedback to itself in a harmonic way.  It's never been a well thought out concept I've had but I always thought harmonics would come into play with it.  Thanks Bruce and everyone who is contributing here on this unique device. 
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on April 19, 2010, 04:00:53 AM
New to this thread as I had thought I heard years ago that this had been shown to be fake.  Apparently not and I'll say I always had hoped it could work more than most ideas I've seen.  Solid state + High power = a Winner in my book.  Any new progress on the build here?  I just spent several hours saving info from this thread.  If I ever get my shop finished I'll probably give this one a try.  This whole concept seems to parallel  an idea I've had for years of getting power to feedback to itself in a harmonic way.  It's never been a well thought out concept I've had but I always thought harmonics would come into play with it.  Thanks Bruce and everyone who is contributing here on this unique device.
 

It is being experimented with...

We need much higher voltage (350-500 volts) between the Harmonics generator and input into the coils, for both inverted and in phase.  Right now it is being tested with < 6 volts input into coils.

I am soon sending Sam my DDS Generators... within a week, money allowing.  Stability and HV should help a great deal.

Also, NOT connecting the three resonant tank circuits to anything, because it changes their resonance if you do.  Input to them is through induction only which the HV will help with.

Cheers,

Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: e2matrix on April 19, 2010, 09:31:54 PM
Thanks for the update and best of luck.  I was thinking about the concept you mention of needing to use batteries for stability in generating the 3 frequencies.  I'm wondering with the cheap supply of computer power supplies if one of them would not be a good source of clean stable power?  I think they are designed to have very clean and stable output but I may be wrong.  I pick them up often at garage sales for a dollar or two and sometimes even the whole computer for that much.  Even new ones can be had for around $15 or so. 
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on April 20, 2010, 01:46:32 AM
Thanks for the update and best of luck.  I was thinking about the concept you mention of needing to use batteries for stability in generating the 3 frequencies.  I'm wondering with the cheap supply of computer power supplies if one of them would not be a good source of clean stable power?  I think they are designed to have very clean and stable output but I may be wrong.  I pick them up often at garage sales for a dollar or two and sometimes even the whole computer for that much.  Even new ones can be had for around $15 or so.

It MUST be batteries.  Anything else used can introduce an "unwanted" frequency, which in turn, screws up the math, and you end up with nothing.

Good thought though.  Battery to sine gens DDs, to tube amp or harmonics gen to mix the three signals, split them and invert one leg, then we need those to go HV at that point.  Of course a tube amp would already be at HV at the output to inverter.  Could be why SM said to start with a tube amp.  Mix three signal in one tube amp... hmm...

Cheers,

Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: bear rabbit on April 28, 2010, 07:03:16 PM
Hi Bruce
Have you done any research as to what tubes would work in this case? 5U4's , 6L6's , 6BQ5"s. My tube type days went away in the late 80's and I need to brush up.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on April 29, 2010, 03:11:55 AM
Hi Bruce
Have you done any research as to what tubes would work in this case? 5U4's , 6L6's , 6BQ5"s. My tube type days went away in the late 80's and I need to brush up.

I would suggest you download the SM PDF, it is a sticky under TPU devices from Steven Mark.  I believe SM mentions the GE 6BQ5's or any other tube for VHF.  If we can't get it going with the HV, mixing the three freq's in a tube is the next step.  Something not right about the tank circuits... on another subject, just can't put my finger on it....

Cheers,

Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: innovation_station on April 29, 2010, 03:27:43 AM
i do have the tubes ...  like 5 left 1 broke ...  i had 6  i was going to dig them out soon ..  and apply it to the mini...  but the ones sm aperntly used were dubble triodes .. and they need to be pos biased ... class a operation and a DC HEATER NOT AC ...  ; )

peace

william

with pure dc no hummmmmm   pure amplification  then kick it !  just 1 freq !  flick a la switch  : )

to save new commers a BUNCH OF TIME MONEY ... AND EFFORT! get a bass amp ..  tune it .. and flick a la switch  you get a kick .. it triggers the amp ..  the amp does the resont rize then wobbles .. : )  match the ohmage of the driveing speeker with your tpu .. 
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 02, 2010, 06:22:56 PM
Hi Sam,

I think that I am onto something here!  With all of the difficulty you are having, attempting to tune each collector individually, it has gnawed at my thinking.  We know that the three frequencies are correct, because they were given to us.  We know what they do, because of the harmonics spread sheet.  We know the correct way to wind the coil, and the circuit potential.

What has been missing, is something you yourself alluded to sometime ago, and I think you are correct!  We need to bring in the electromagnetic wave to our antenna.  I have found an accurate excel calculator for small magnetic loop antenna's, that tells you what frequency to design for to "receive" a certain bandwidth... I am working with it now.  I think we should take one collector, wrap completely with aluminum wire (I now know the reason for the aluminum and it makes perfect sense!  It has to do with how easy these magnetic tuned loop antennas go out of tune when near almost anything.  But, wrap in aluminum and it acts as a faraday cage, locking in our signals and RF from outside interference.  I am using the conductor diameter for 14 awg.  What size diameter wire is your collectors?

I will give you (and everyone) the calculator soon, as I am still ironing out a few things and reconciling it with SM's clues! 

Once we have the intermodulation of the harmonics of this bandwidth going, inside of our tuned magnetic loop antenna, we will be home free!  One single tank circuit, 15" diameter, tuned magnetic loop antenna, tuned to the bandwidth of the harmonics being produced by the intermodulation! 

Basically, the only thing that we need to change is: a.  collectors would be one single tank circuit tuned to our RF wave.  b.  Wrapped in alum wire to prevent going out of tune and to absorb some of the heat.  Everything else stays the same, including the rectifying to DC for the bias, etc.  Still only the inside track.  Just changing the caps!

Kind regards,

Bruce

Edit:
How Antennas Work In General
When your transmitter (our three freqs coming from our tube amp or harmonics gen)puts a current (Radio Frequency (RF) energy) into an antenna, your antenna responds by producing a magnetic field surrounding the antenna (this is the signal). When this magnetic wave strikes another antenna (the receiving station antenna, which is our outside loop,carrying our DC Bias), it induces a current on the receiving antenna surface.  Not too difficult at all...
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 02, 2010, 07:19:57 PM
Edit from above, continued:
The magnetic field that your antenna puts out will produce an electric current on any metal surface that it strikes, however if the metal that the signal strikes has a length relation to itself the induced current will be much stronger on the object. We stated before that as a CB signal travels through the air, it completes a cycle in approximately 36 feet. For instance, if the object that the magnetic wave strikes is 18 feet long (1/2 wave length), 9 feet long (1/4 wavelength) or 36 feet long (1 full wavelength), then the induced current will be much higher than if the signal struck a metal object that was not some appreciable fraction of the wavelength of the signal. If you have ever heard people say they want to "tune" their antenna, they usually mean make it have a length relation to frequency they are trying to receive. (SM sometimes "trimmed" the length of the collector to get it to "resonance".  The length of our collector should be an appreciable fraction of the wavelength of the signal!!  I am looking at 57.395 MHz for our tuned magnetic loop.  This gives us a bandwidth up to 245 KHz, exactly!)  This has a special name, it as known as antenna resonance. Every antenna has at least one exact resonance point.

SM said, "I made an amp and had a really difficult time with a 35K resonance.
I had so much trouble with it that I finally left the resonance there.
I last measured it at 35.705K at a really high level.
It is a good thing that I can't hear that high.
But it does prove that my output transformer is capable of going up to 245K HZ.  Which I measured.  (The bandwidth is to go to 245 KHz.  Our F1 is actually 30.075 Khz and the two side carriers to modulate are 115 KHz and the 222 KHz.)

Below, attached it the Magnetic loop calculator I have been using.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: innovation_station on May 02, 2010, 07:56:38 PM
bruce .. i wonder why .. at 90vac motors burn out at 140volt they run better ...  ok fine ..  why do they burn out at 90vac ..

and why does a ac driven coil FLOAT  on an alum sheet ..  at 120vac and burn out ..  ?

hummm

ist

just wondering if you have an answer .. i have given this little thought ..

it may just boil right down to magnetic harmonics and materials used .. depending upon voltage and freqency ..

as i said with my devices NONE OF THIS IS REQUIRED !

: )
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 02, 2010, 11:04:19 PM
Hello ALL,

Okay, I have included some calculations that I have worked up below, using the calculator.  If I figured something incorrectly please let me know.

Cheers,

Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: SPP-48 on May 03, 2010, 06:28:24 AM
Hi Bruce

Excellent post! Just what I was waiting for.
My coil wire is 5 turns 0.7mm diameter (21AWG). I'll get some 14AWG for my next TPU.

Now something else for you to think about.
I think each control coil may also need to have a relationship to the control frequencies. At present, the length of each is different, but determined by wrapping around the first, second and third antenna/collector coils. I did some quick experiments with different length control coils.
On a separate 8" random coil I wound 3 collector coils, each a different length roughly proportional to the 1st 2nd and 5th harmonic of 30.075.

Connected to the Harmonics Gen and HV amplifier I got an interesting waveform output. Normally, the output waveform is quite fuzzy, but in this case, with some minor adjustment to the input frequencies of 30.075, 60.150 & 150.375, the output waveform went from fuzzy to crystal sharp, and the output voltage from the collector coil jumped up from around 50v DC to 110v DC.
Unfortunately I didn't record this work as I didn't have much time and was just trying to prove a hunch.


Regards

Sam

Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 03, 2010, 02:01:38 PM
Hi Bruce

Excellent post! Just what I was waiting for.
My coil wire is 5 turns 0.7mm diameter (21AWG). I'll get some 14AWG for my next TPU.

Now something else for you to think about.
I think each control coil may also need to have a relationship to the control frequencies. At present, the length of each is different, but determined by wrapping around the first, second and third antenna/collector coils. I did some quick experiments with different length control coils.
On a separate 8" random coil I wound 3 collector coils, each a different length roughly proportional to the 1st 2nd and 5th harmonic of 30.075.

Connected to the Harmonics Gen and HV amplifier I got an interesting waveform output. Normally, the output waveform is quite fuzzy, but in this case, with some minor adjustment to the input frequencies of 30.075, 60.150 & 150.375, the output waveform went from fuzzy to crystal sharp, and the output voltage from the collector coil jumped up from around 50v DC to 110v DC.
Unfortunately I didn't record this work as I didn't have much time and was just trying to prove a hunch.


Regards

Sam

Hi Sam,

Okay, I have recalculated based on your wire diameter.  Please notice how the efficiency plummets using thinner wire on this graph compared to the other.  This also makes sense.  I really would suggest you wind one new collector only perhaps out of 16 awg or 14 awg lamp chord (not speaker wire).  We want stranded but straight for the magnetic field.

I will think on the length issue of the control wires that you have mentioned, we will have to see.

If you are using the whole set up, tune as 1 antenna.  But calculate your length already using the formula in the post above and trim the length of your top collector to have the right size.  Remember, multiples work also!  So, one collector should be length A, and if you use three collectors, then 3 x A.  So trim your collectors to give you 3 x A, and then tune the single tank circuit with all middle tracks wired in series.

Cheers,

Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 05, 2010, 05:01:29 AM
Evening All,

The magnetic loop antenna being tuned to the proper resonant frequency for the proper bandwidth of our created harmonics is what it takes
and what we missed!  We (I) were trying to make our tank to match the harmonics, no..no..no!  We need the electromagnetic wave to
interact with our standing wave of intermodulated harmonic products within the circumference of the collector!

SM said, "It has been a very long road from beginning to end. It took several years of experimentation to
discover what frequencies and most importantly how to make small integrated circuits work to
perform the control functions necessary to make the demonstrations you see on the video tapes
available today.
So in many ways we have early RCA color TV engineers to thank for my discovery of the
power generator.
I am sure they are all dead now but they did contribute."

Attached pic below is just a small piece of the circuit for this RCA Color Television. 

I want to point out special attention to the three frequencies, one to make the Red, one to make the Green and one to make the Blue.  These three "intermodulated" in that moment of time that the TV imploded, mixing with the 15" picture tube, that for that split instant of time, became a receiver, as an "antenna".  This combined with the intermodulating frequencies caused the magnetic event as described by SM. 

When color TV was introduced in the U.S.A. in 1954 by RCA, people were very skeptical. There were only a few hours of color programs broadcast weekly, the early picture tubes were only 15" and were too small to enjoy viewing, plus the sets were very expensive .

The picture tube is a 70° deflection shadow mask tricolor Kinescope with a metal cone body. Only the screen face and the neck (which contained the three electron guns) were glass. Anode voltage is approx. 19 to 21 KV. The metal cone carries the full high voltage, therefore a plastic shield is installed around the cone to prevent arcing. On the outside of the plastic shield is a graphite cover which is connected to the chassis ground, and in effect operates as a high voltage capacitor. This picture tube here has still its original date stamp of Sept. 12th, 1956.

SM also said of this imploding TV, "However, this man who had been my mentor for so many years had his own theory which
he never told anyone as far as i know, except me. His theory was that the TV while in
operation, somehow managed to become a receiver of more then just television waves
and so for a millisecond in time became a receiver and the discharger of a huge amount of
electrical and magnetic energy."

AND

SM said, "but I kept thinking about the possibility of many frequencies combining at one moment in time
to produce an entirely different effect then intended by the designers. And so it goes.
Some of the reasons why I thought about things the way I did and perhaps why I set out to
think along the lines I did when I discovered the power generator technology. Or more
appropriately, the power converter technology, because that is actually what it does you
know."

Three freq's, 30.075, 222, 115 at HV into a 15" receiving Antenna to intermodulate the harmonics and produce this gyroscopic
field.  I think we will have some positive results, soon.  We are so close I can smell it...
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: SPP-48 on May 07, 2010, 02:45:15 AM
Hi Bruce

I built one coil (antenna & collector) using 14 AWG, 15" diameter and the exact dimensions for wire length & number of turns.
However the measured and theoretical Inductance value is 14.7 uH - way off the value of 1.319 uH given in your calcs.
Using the cap value you gave of 5.829 pF, the theoretical resonant Frequency is 17.194 Mhz.

Could you check this out please.

Also, I have not been able to find any aluminium wire, but have plenty of aluminium foil. I assume that should be OK.

Thanks

Sam
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: e2matrix on May 07, 2010, 03:40:08 AM
SPP-48,  I've found aluminum wire in major electrical suppliers and places like Home Depot but it may mostly be in the very large guages.  It's also commonly used (or was) for ground wire in things like satellite dish kits (which of course is bare wire).  I tend to think using foil wrapped as shown is going to mostly act as a shield but then I don't know TPU stuff nearly as well as many here so maybe it will be fine. 
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 07, 2010, 03:53:18 AM
Hi Bruce

I built one coil (antenna & collector) using 14 AWG, 15" diameter and the exact dimensions for wire length & number of turns.
However the measured and theoretical Inductance value is 14.7 uH - way off the value of 1.319 uH given in your calcs.
Using the cap value you gave of 5.829 pF, the theoretical resonant Frequency is 17.194 Mhz.

Could you check this out please.

Also, I have not been able to find any aluminium wire, but have plenty of aluminium foil. I assume that should be OK.

Thanks

Sam

Hi Sam,

I don't know why your inductance is what it is... Do you have just the "inner Track" of the lamp chord, by itself, and not wired in series with anything else? 

Also, remember that the inductance in the calculator is for "one loop", but we are measuring out a length equivelent to a segment of wavelength, so that would actually explain why your inductance is higher.  It is no biggie, as resonance as you know is based on inductance and capacitance. 

So.... using the LC resonance calculator found here:  http://www.daycounter.com/Calculators/LC-Resonance-Calculator.phtml

and entering for inductance 14700 nH (for 14.7 uH, I think this is correct!?) and entering in 57.405 MHz, it comes up with 0.523 pF for capacitance.  Now, there will be some natural capacitance with the winding, so that 0.523 pF will actually end up being much less is my guess to get it spot on resonance with 57.405 MHz.  But that is the goal!  1 tank, 57.4 MHz for our harmonic bandwidth.

As far as the alum foil, it is cheap, it's an experiment, it won't hurt and can shield.  Like I said these tuned magnetic loop antennas are VERY sensitive.  Only alum shielding would help that.  Makes sense why SM HAD to use Alum wire for controls to make it work.  Also matches the weight EXACT on the six inch build with lamp chord collectors and alum control coils.

Just keep the center tuned Loop as a tank.  Let induction put the signals in for us.  Next we need HV.  I am testing my pancake coil Saturday, and if it works that may be a cheap solution to bump up our voltage!  ;-)

Cheers,

Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: iws1987 on June 19, 2010, 05:12:52 AM
Hi Bruce,

I have sent you 2 PMs within the last 12 hours, apparently you have not received them.

I have now also sent you a PM on energeticforum.

Eric
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on June 19, 2010, 03:54:43 PM
Hi Eric,

Traveling.  Just now got them.

Thanks,

Bruce
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Motorcoach1 on July 20, 2010, 05:10:38 AM
Bruce , sent you an e'mail. new info , let me run this by you and see what you think.
Title: Harmonics combined, produce magnetic field
Post by: Bruce_TPU on October 31, 2010, 04:38:41 PM
Hello ALL and especially SAM,

I have come to several conclusions I wish to share about the TPU.  First, is that it is not possible (as Sam also demonstrated) to have the collectors tuned as a resonant circuit where they would stay in tune.  This was a big clue for me.

Next, I allowed a lot of time to pass, before rereading SM's pdf, with fresh eyes.  The MAIN thing I realized, is that the intermodulation in the inner loop, that is producing the harmonics of the fundamental frequency which is 30.075 KHz, produces a HUGE MAGNETIC field.  These harmonics produce harmonic magnetic current in anything near to them.  This magnetic field IS the generator, as it travels in TWO directions around the collector.  This magnetic field acts on the many strands of Litz on the outer loop, generating electricity.  Sam and I were SO CLOSE.. But it is actually much simpler than I had made it out to be.  Sam will like this...  Below are my notes:

Frequency of Power
Schumann Resonance
7.83 Hz+ 14.57 Hz / 2 =  11.205 Hz CENTER frequency, close to a Schumann's frequency but NOT dead on, between.

Side Frequency's to cause intermodulation, which produces harmonics
115 KHz + 222 KHz = 337 KHz
337 KHz / 11.205 Hz = 30.075 KHz

F1 = 115 KHz
F2 = 222 KHz
F3 = 30.075 KHz

Collector   
Collector Material = Litz
Inner and Outer rings
Inner Ring is Magnetic Loop Antenna with frequency designed for 15", as well as the total diameter of litz wire
strands determined to be used.

Collector length is determined by air column resonance "closed (on one end) cylinder frequency".
Air Column Frequency = 11.205 Hz
Air Column Resonance length = 3.83 meters
Collector length is EXACTLY 3.83 meters


Collector is tuned magnetic loop antenna.
3.83 meters fashioned into a 15" diameter, tuned magnetic loop antenna
Frequency of antenna is determined by circumference, diameter of Litz (all strands total) and bandwidth of 245 KHz


Total TPU
Three Frequency's go to a tube amp.
Output of tube amp is two legs, one in phase and one inverted.  These get the kill switch!  Lamp chord, perfect for HF feeds this to the inner loop.
Input into inner loop
Inner loop Litz is antenna with capacitor for the correct electromagnetic frequency that matches diameter, bandwidth and wire diameter.
Outer loop Litz is OUTPUT.   It has a full wave bridge rectifier on end, and a short feeback loop to itself, in front of rectifier
Harmonics produced via intermodulation in the antenna, going in two directions, produce strong magnetic current in anything near to it,
especially in the OUTPUT outer loop.  This magnetic field produced by the harmonics is what generates power along the
length of the outer loop of Litz.
Control wire wrapped around Collector (defined as inner loop antenna and outer loop output) should be aluminum, to act as heat sink
and control reaction in collector, also to assist in draining off power.  This is also tied to the output loop, before rectifier.

Without Litz it will not produce much power.

Any size TPU, the three input frequency's remain the same, the "frequency"  of antenna to receive the electromagnetic wave, is the only thing that will change, based on circumference.

Attach load and power up.

With the correct frequency's, enough short pieces of wire and the right circuit potential, you can create as much power as needed in a given space.

Parts List for one TPU
Collector
Litz wire with many strands
Capacitor
diodes

Control wire
Copper coated alum wire

Tube amp  (here the three frequency's are mixed)

Means to produce three frequency's

Inverter to phase shift one output leg

Lamp chord to connect Amp to Collector (inner loop)

TPU works along the lines of a mini Shumanns Resonance


Standing waves
Harmonics produce huge magnetic fields
Magnetic fields generate power.
TPU works just like the Earth as a generator.
TPU is a converter, converting earths magnetic field, ie defined as Shumanns Resonance, Harmonics, and Standing waves producing
electromagnetic waves.
TPU uses high and low air pressure points to assist the conversion.  The high and low pressure rapidly alternate at each half wave
of the standing wave in air.  IE… Resonance of air in a closed cylinder.  This resonance is also of center frequency of Schumanns Resonance
…ie; nodes and anti-nodes 11.205 Hz.

The TPU is a Harmonics Resonator


(Those new, I would suggest you look back a few pages, I have a link to the harmonics spreadsheet that shows HOW the above mentioned frequency's produce harmonics, via intermodulation

 http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=2300.msg200836#msg200836 )

Cheers!

Bruce
































Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: e2matrix on October 31, 2010, 06:50:40 PM
Sounds like you've been hard at it.  Thanks for posting the info.  Do you have a unit now producing power?  Can you suggest a guage of Litz wire? 
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on October 31, 2010, 09:22:28 PM
Sounds like you've been hard at it.  Thanks for posting the info.  Do you have a unit now producing power?  Can you suggest a guage of Litz wire?

SM, in a "clue", uses an analogy of 1000 short pieces of wire.  I think, based on the HF, we want 30 awg strands, from what I could tell from the Litz chart.  More strands of wire more power, generated by the same magnetic field.  330 strands at 3.2 turns for the collector would give you about 1000 short pieces of wire that is having a magnetic field dragged around it.

A tube amp to mix the three frequency's is key.  The Harmonic generator will not do the job.  Voltage too low.  Need a tube amp.  Mosfet amp later. 

SM went from the Open TPU design to the design with the control wires, for stabilities sake.  Even then, it could only run near an hour, before having to be shut down because of overheating, according to the engineers in the engineering reports.

I suspect, that the Open TPU design was aluminum, to sink the heat and strengthen the intermodulation.  Replication of 30.075 and it's Harmonics via intermodulation is one secret.  The other was the circuit potential... and that took the longest to figure out.  Two wires, one to "create" a magnetic rotating field by collecting the harmonics of 30.075 and the other wire to generate the output, by having said rotating magnetic field dragged along the wire strands.  That is why he was able to do so many configurations of collectors.  Need electromagnetic wave and two wires with many strands as circuit potential.  Need three specific freqs mixed in a tube amp, need one leg inverted.  Change the tube amp to a chip with preset freq's and mosfet amp later and you have what we see in the video's.

Slice open the 15" TPU and you see two wires, inside loop for intermodulation of harmonics to produce a magnetic field and outside loop for collecting output via said dragged magnetic field.

Open TPU's, collector is two wires, but the are not the antenna, the metal is, in each case. 

Take three collectors and stack them.  But building and experimenting with one is all that is needed.   Even "control" wires are optional for later.  Key is getting the "Catalyst" to start, which is the harmoonic production via intermodulation.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: XS-NRG on October 31, 2010, 10:12:55 PM
same old bullshit.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on November 01, 2010, 04:58:37 AM
"I want you to start and think of the generator principles the exact same way that passing
the sound barrier was accomplished.
Read how the engineers finally developed the proper wing design to accomplish super sonic speed in aircraft."

Answer:  What is the resonant frequency of a closed cylinder = air pressure, hi and low, nodes and anti nodes spin it up..

"What do you think is happening inside the extremely sensitive torrid generator
when you use solid state devices to attempt to create the required precise control frequencies to make catalyst and produce power???"

Answer:  Control frequencies aforementioned cause the catalyst which is the intermodulation that produces the combining, all at one point of the harmonics in the inner loop.

"I have a three channel system I listen to.
Sometimes the three channels combine together to create the most magnificent sound you could imagine.
A whole new sound stage opens up and suddenly you are transformed to someplace else."

Answer:  Combine is a word that is used for intermodulation of the aforementioned three frequencies.

"I prefer using triodes because they generate less distortion.
Any deviation from the original signal or addition to , Harmonic and intermodulation is not good for stereo enjoyment, you know..."

Answer:  White noise is a result of intermodulation.  Harmonics produced via intermodulation IS the worst case scenario for frequencies, when mixed with an electromagnet wave, the amplitude is greatly larger and said wave is what allows for intermodulation to take place in the first place.

"Gee, why not just build a tube amp to begin with.
Less distortion and little need for feedback overdose.
Much faster all around."

Answer:  Exactly.  Three frequencies placed together in a wire will do little of anything.  They MUST be mixed to intermodulate.  Mixed in the Tube amp.

"But it does prove that my output transformer is capable of going up to 245K HZ.
Which I measured."

Answer:  This is our bandwidth, based on the intermodulation spreadsheet.  This is the bandwidth the inner collector must be tuned for.

"HEY, did you know that the frequency is proportional to the speaker's circumference? it appears that the frequency should change with the circumference of the speaker.
That makes sense to you does it?
No one I have talked to realizes that yet.
I use 15" speakers myself. They are 15" from the dead center of the outside flange to the other sides flange."

Answer:  The electromagnetic wave is tapped with the frequency that a 15" diameter magnetic loop antenna calls for, based on diameter; bandwidth; and diameter wire.
Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: SPP-48 on November 01, 2010, 05:01:24 AM
Hi Bruce
Welcome back!

Send me the plans and I will build it.

Cheers

Sam

Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on November 01, 2010, 05:20:37 AM
"MOSFETS are better you know if you wanted to make an amplifier that behaved as though it was a tube amp but in a smaller size."

Answer:  What is a tube amp.  Used to mix the three precision frequencies and start the catalyst in the collectors, which is the intermodulation producing harmonics.

"I am using 6BQ7-A tubes for the input and phase inverter because they are VHF amplifier triodes designed to operate in Color TV at very high frequencies and so you can imagine how crystal clear my high frequencies are in my stereo amplifier."

Answer:  What is phase inversion.  Signal from amp must be split and and leg phase inverted.  Both input signals then put into the inner loop (15" diameter).  They will then produce intermodulation production of harmonics, all of which will be standing waves.

"Rotation of field. . .
How many people think about that.
If you could have a field that you could think of as a big ball.
And you could rotate it in two directions what would the ramifications be?"

Answer:  What is inter modulation and phase inversion in a collector tuned to tap into an electromagnetic wave as an antenna.  Harmonics spin in two directions, causing huge magnetic field.

"There is a genuine gyroscopic effect when the units are on.
Everybody has noticed that when held and in operation, the units have a definite vibration and have a gyroscopic effect.
They seam to resist being moved through the air.
When placed on a smooth surface it is very pronounced.
Some of you should think about that."

Answer:  What is catalyst of intermodulation products being created, in both directions of inner collector loop.

"On to another point.
There is an inertia.
With the rightcombination of frequencies, you can actually create arevolving field with inertial!
That is what I havereferred to as , The inertia effect."

Answer:  What is 115; 222 and 30.075.  Only these three produce the harmonics as a result of intermodulation, that all combine in a moments time.  Please see bottom of intermodulation spreadsheet for referance.

"The key to the kick's strength and appearance was in how fast Tesla discharged the capacitors into the spark gap AND how fast Tesla STOPPED the flow of current AT the spark gap.
Tesla used all types of devices to stop this flow of current, magnets, a flame, counter-rotating engines.
His goals were to get the time in which the discharge is STOPPED to be much quicker.
As Tesla did this he found that the perpendicular radiations, the ones from the wires, caused electrical effects to appear in wires and other copper/metal materials near the STOPPED current/discharge.
These electrical effects could be made to create electrons on other wires and copper around his STOPPED current/discharge wire.
"Lamp cord is what I use to connect my speakers to my amplifier.
You should hear my new amplifier I have made."

Answer:  Any Litz wire must be attached as lamp chord, so that one wire from inner loop runs parallel with wire from outer loop at all times.

"The control frequencies are important in order to make power from the collector."

Answer:  Sounds familiar.  Intermodulation of harmonics that come together ONLY with the side carrier frequencies of 115 and 222 KHz.  None other will work with 30.075 KHz.  More BS, though, eh?

"By starting the oscillation you cause the current to flow in the collector which causes the magnification of the process within the collector which will ultimately produce the greater voltage and power in usable amounts during operation.
It is electron flow of a high order creating a large magnetic field."

Answer:  Intermodulation to produce harmonics.  All are standing waves.  Greater voltage and power garnered from the flow of the created large magnetic rotating field along the inner loop of the collector.

"We built many, many units with various combinations ofcollectors during our experimental days.
My colleaguesand I have a recollection of about thee hundred beingcrushed up because they were not the best designs."

Answer:  Three precise frequencies, litz wire set up like lamp chord, and the tuned loop based on the diameter, otherwise known as the circuit potential.   Lots of possabilites.

Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on November 01, 2010, 05:34:07 AM
"Rotation of field. . .
How many people think about that.
If you could have a field that you could think of as a big ball.
And you could rotate it in two directions what would the ramifications be?"

Answer:  What is phase inversion.  What is catalyst of intermodulation products being created, traveling in two directions, producing harmonics that generate a huge magnetic field.

"There is a genuine gyroscopic effect when the units are on.
Everybody has noticed that when held and in operation, the units have a definite vibration and have a gyroscopic effect.
They seam to resist being moved through the air.
When placed on a smooth surface it is very pronounced."

Answer:  Creation of these intermodulation products of harmonics, combining together in a moment's time, in reverse direction, spinning up two rotating MAGNETIC fields in opposite directions of one another.
Some of you should think about that.

"On to another point.
There is an inertia.
With the rightcombination of frequencies, you can actually create arevolving field with inertial!
That is what I havereferred to as , The inertia effect."

Answer:  Only 115,222 and 30.075 will ever work.  Intermodulation produces the harmonics of 30.075 which all combine at a single moment and produce a magnetic field that is rotating in duel directions.

"A man by the name of Tesla had seen this.
He wondered how and why this 'kick' would occur.
So he experimented with wire and disruptive discharges from capacitors.
It was found by him that this kick could be made so powerful that it could explode wires instantly.
This kick came out of the wires perpendicularly.
He discharged capacitors into stout wire and through a spark gap.
The key to the kick's strength and appearance was in how fast Tesla discharged the capacitors into the spark gap AND how fast Tesla STOPPED the flow of current AT the spark gap.
Tesla used all types of devices to stop this flow of current, magnets, a flame, counter-rotating engines.
His goals were to get the time in which the discharge is STOPPED to be much quicker.
As Tesla did this he found that the perpendicular radiations, the ones from the wires, caused electrical effects to appear in wires and other copper/metal materials near the STOPPED current/discharge.
These electrical effects could be made to create electrons on other wires and copper around his STOPPED current/discharge wire."

Answer:  What is a standing wave.  Stops the opposing current faster than anything man made.  Standing waves are established inside of the inner collector.

Title: Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
Post by: Bruce_TPU on November 01, 2010, 05:45:42 AM
"In his memoirs he said that it was a fact that