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Offline gn0stik

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #30 on: May 17, 2007, 12:38:11 AM »
I hate to say this, and understand that I don't mean anything against you, but... Isn't this all stuff we've already been talking about? Some of it almost two years ago.

And, if this is your theory, it's almost like you took GK's results with the gk4 and otto jumpers and worked backwards.

The unified field bit was creative and a bit interesting, but aside from that, nothing seemed all that new. And your theory of the event was a bit shaky it seemed, even within the confines of UFT. It almost seemed as if you were reaching for a philadelphia experiment kind of thing. If this is the case, then I can't imagine steven would even post a single word in relation to how it works. I know I wouldn't. If I created a unified field in my basement, I wouldn't be telling others how to do it, that's for sure. In fact, I doubt Steven would even be around to talk about it if he "accidentally" discovered a unified field. There would have definitely been some major accidents along the way. Not just RF burns.

Again, I'm not trying to be a naysayer, and certainly not trying to discourage. I hope your group works it out, but this doesn't in any way give anyone any real insights into anything that we haven't already come up with aside from the event bit.

I will be watching close however, as there was a long, long period where all people did was theorize and nobody ever actually built and tested the theories. So you may come up with a piece of the puzzle as Otto seems to have, and Marco, and Tao, and GK, and Ronotte(I wish everyone documented like Ronotte, and what you have done so far).

It will happen one day.

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #31 on: May 17, 2007, 01:24:26 AM »
What I did was take litterally SM's words.  Like when he talked about the magnetic field produced by an atomic explosion perhaps having something to do with his device.  So I researched that.  I think SM thinks that UFT has a great deal to do with the device.  Oh, not to mention the imploding television, comments of "nothing can stop a redcoil," THREE types of cutoff switches on the larger units, kill switch for frequencies, over voltage kill switch and overheating kill switch.

Eddy currents can only be caused by AC electro magnets.  SM said there were eddy currents.  There are many ways to determine this and SM knew for sure.  So the point was he was using an AC electromagnet to oscillate.  Now I have said all along that the TPU was a "type of" Tube rectifier using a cold cathode.  SM stated that the oscillations begin and the current starts to flow and then this is magnified.

I stated that SM said three SOUND frequencies, resonant, harmonic, Intermodulation

I stated that SM said to start only with tubes to see the effect because he knew the EMP given off by the unit, once started would mess enough with the frequency to keep the unit from going to catalyst.

If I somehow missed all of the post where this has all been tested together, please point me there.  Oh, wait, I hear the voice of SM, and he says, "these things are like TV's just in the sense that if you are missing just one part, it will not work."

Oh, did I mention the imploding televisions pulling the nails out of the wall.  How can that be, it is just a TV set.  It can't really be that dangerous.

I just need to remember to tap the coil with a permanent magnet.  Everyone knows that but I forgot to put it in my pdf.  After all, SM did say, "...the phenomona of magnetic collection."  Actually I think he was talking about the UFT event in the collectors.

If SM really didn't mean what he said. If he didn't say, what he meant.  If his words mean do it our way, then honestly, I am wasting my time.  For truth be known, I could not figure the TPU out in a million years.  But words... that is something else.  Words mean things.  Like when SM mentioned how the wings were developed on the plane that broke the sound barrier as a clue to what is going on in the collector.  I must have missed that post also where that is discussed and utilized.

If I have worked backwards from gk's and otto's experiments that is ok.  For if we meet in the middle we will have a working TPU.  I am funny, in that my brain requires some manner of understanding the function of the TPU.  My theory.....hmmm or SM's words.  I have no theory other than SM's words.  I made my mind a blank, clean slate, put aside preconceptions and did research detective work. 

Can anyone say that it is my theory that there is ac in the unit?  No, SM said it many times and two engineer reports to boot.  And the final proof is that it has eddy currents.
Can anyone say that it is my theory that the unit is a "type" of tube rectifier?  No, SM said it is what gave him the idea.
Can anyone say that it is my theory that there are three frequencies in the TPU?  No SM said this very specific in Two posts.
Can anyone say that it is my theory that the unit uses High frequencies?  No SM said this about 6 times in six differant ways.
etc.   etc.  etc. 
Conclusion:  Not theory's.  Rather putting meaning to words.

Friendly regards,
Bruce


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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #32 on: May 17, 2007, 09:39:19 AM »
The EMP effect

The Electro-Magnetic Pulse (EMP) effect was first observed during the early testing of high-altitude airburst nuclear weapons. The effect is characterised by the production of a very short but intense EMP, which propagates away from its source with diminishing intensity. The EMP is in effect an electro-magnetic shock wave.

The high temperatures and energetic radiation produced by nuclear explosions also produce large amounts of ionized (electrically charged) matter which is present immediately after the explosion. Under the right conditions, intense currents and electro-magnetic fields can be produced, generically called EMP (Electro-magnetic Pulse), that are felt at long distances. Living organisms are impervious to these effects, but electrical and electronic equipment can be temporarily or permanently disabled by them. Ionized gases can also block short wavelength radio and radar signals (fireball blackout) for extended periods.

The formation EMP begins with the very intense, but very short burst of gamma rays caused by the nuclear reactions in the bomb. About 0.3% of the bomb's energy is in this pulse, but it last for only 10 nanoseconds or so. These gamma rays collide with electrons in air molecules, and eject the electrons at high energies through a process called Compton scattering. These energetic electrons in turn knock other electrons loose, and create a cascade effect that produces some 30,000 electrons for every original gamma ray.

In low altitude explosions the electrons, being very light, move much more quickly than the ionized atoms they are removed from and diffuse away from the region where they are formed. This creates a very strong electric field which peaks in intensity to 10 nanoseconds. The gamma rays emitted downward however are absorbed by the ground which prevents charge separation from occurring. This creates a very strong vertical electric current which generates intense electro-magnetic emissions over a wide frequency range (up to 100 MHZ) that emanate mostly horizontally. At the same time, the earth acts as a conductor allowing the electrons to flow back toward the burst point where the positive ions are concentrated. This produces a strong magnetic field along the ground. Although only about 3x10^-10 of the total explosion energy is radiated as EMP in a ground burst (10^6 joules for 1 Mt bomb), it is concentrated in a very short pulse. The charge separation persists for only a few tens of microseconds, making the emission power some 100 gigawatts.

The effects of these field on electronics is difficult to predict, but can be profound. Enormous induced electric currents are generated in wires, antennas, and metal objects.

 The Flux Compression Generator
A Flux Compression Generator is basically a Directed Electro-Magnetic Pulse (DEMP) gun. There are a number of uses for this technology, most of them related to warfare.

The Flux Compression Generator consists of a metal tube packed with explosives and wrapped with a copper coil. The coil is energised by a bank of capacitors and promptly detonated at the peak of the magnetic field. Once detonation occurs, the metal tube flares outwards. This causes the coil to short-circuit along its length. This propagating short-circuit has the effect of compressing the magnetic field while reducing the inductance of the coil.
 This produces a rapidly-increasing current pulse (EMP), which breaks before the final disintegration of the device.




« Last Edit: May 17, 2007, 10:39:27 AM by Sauron »

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #33 on: May 17, 2007, 11:25:51 AM »
interesting things to hear ..

but if btentzer is able to interpret the info we have ALL read  a few times (fresh eyes) .. and maybe find some connections others may have missed .. then i don't see why one would say, "hey this has already been discussed" ..

one, we all think differently .. and two, no one really knows how SM thinks.

if we all knew what SM meant, we would all have TPUs running our houses .. which clearly is not the case.  ::)

ANY cook knows .. just bc they have all the ingredients DOESN'T mean they know what you want them to make!

SM has given us "ALL" the info apparently .. but there is no algorithm on how to build it. So if someone wants to try a new project, let the person give it a shot.

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #34 on: May 17, 2007, 04:27:14 PM »
bruce, devilzangel, sauron.

Please don't misunderstand me. I'm not trying to dampen anything here. I was just pointing out that if you read through these threads again you will see that much of this theory has been discussed before. A lot of people deleted their posts a while back so you'll have to look closely for some of it. As I said not much actual bench testing of those theories was going on back then so this is good. But these points have been rolling around in the heads of people who are doing bench testing now, for a long time.

Take GK for example. Sauron just posted an article about EMP pulses from nuclear bombs. In GK's stun gun experiments he fried or shut down or restarted all the electronic equipment in the nearby vecinity with those tests. He was EMP'ing the hell out of everything on those experiments. I just think that some people are farther along with this line of thinking that's all. Perhaps time would be better spent jumping in on some other experimenter's setups.

Also only a small portion of SM's words have been researched here. Why no research on the tesla lightening stories? Magnetometers? Go read about fluxgate magnetometers and SM's words about how he tuned sensitive magnetometers to produce real usable power. Check out the relationship between magnetometers and metal detectors, and how they work off of creating eddy currents in dissimilar metals. And how SIMILAR they are in construction to magnetometers, and how some magnetometers are so similar in construction to the TPU.

Why no in depth research on the MT angle that Turbo worked on, and in my opinion gave up on too soon? Why no research on the carl hurst letter? There are tons of angles to take into account here and as Bruce said, leave one component out of a TV and it won't work.

That is all. I also said that I hoped he got it. But having almost 2 years in on this research, some people here have at some point looked at, and gone down most of these paths a long time ago, I just think it might be more productive to focus attention in or perhaps get involved with some of those people. Turbo, Sauron have seen enough to find this interesting, in spite of the fact that they have to have seen some of this discussed before, so maybe I'm missing something. I'll go read it all again.

And yes everyone thinks differently, and can contribute differently, synergy. Please continue on, the more people at the bench the better.

Just know that the GK4 experiments had some very very scary physical side effects aside from the EMPs since that's the road you seem to be going down. His bones clicked and ached, he felts "soemthing" crawling all over his skin, couldn't think straight till he shut it off, etc. In my opinion, because he simply had the wrong pulse width. Be careful.

Regards,
Rich

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #35 on: May 17, 2007, 05:56:13 PM »
Well spoken Rich, Sauron and Devilzangel!  Good info Sauron! 

A PUBLIC thank you to Devilzangel for properly formatting my pdf. file so that it includes everything.  I will upload it in a minute

I am going to continue to look at all the clues as my time pemits.

VERY IMPORTANT!! :
Now, continuing to work backward on this device, let us play the "why?" game.  I played this with my wife this morning and she figured it out in less than two minutes!

WHY did SM use baling wire instead of copper wire in his FIRST Tpu?
Her answer, "Because of what the metal is made out of."
Hmm...
So what is baling wire made out of? 
galvanized steel

So what is the difference between this and copper wire?
Hmm...  Some of you who just wound new coils will not like this..sorry I didn't figure it out sooner...

OKAY, here we go. 
All wire have the abilities to "give up electrons".  If you look at the per. table of elements and the atomic number, and research this out you will find the following out.

Wire, (DEPENDING on the type of metal) can either give up 1, 2, or 3.  electrons.  This also affects the ability of a magnet to stick to it.  This also affects the strength of the "CORE" (think collectors) of an electromagnet.

Also think Cold Cathode, being heated to release electrons!!

COPPER WIRE WILL NOT WORK AS COLLECTORS!!!

Copper will ONLY give up 1 electron.
Baling wire in SM's first device:  Gave up 3 electrons!!
It was not stranded so only produced a small amount of power...BUT it worked!
HMM..
So then he progressed in engineering from baling wire, to a ferromagnetic core, to a foam core.  WHY?
Because after time of engineering they found a wire for the collector.  A ferromagnetic metal. 

My guess:
Nickel plated stranded copper wire.  SM said "that the electrons reside on the surface of the wire."  So, if true, Nickel plated copper would work well.
Stranded Steel would work if insulated.
ANY STRANDED wire with the capability of releasing (3) THREE electrons.
This would make that collector 200% more efficient at releasing electrons than  copper!!

Copper CAN BE USED for control wires.
For collectors:
Aluminum will not work
Copper will not work

PLEASE post a source for a stranded wire made of a metal, insulated, that will give off three electrons.  ALSO any ideas for type of metal. 

Without UNDERSTANDING the function of the TPU, I would have never figured this out and we would have been here until Kingdom Come, using copper collectors.

Hmm...Maybe when SM said understanding was more important than copying, he meant it. ;)

To SM, modern King of the electron,
Bruce

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #36 on: May 17, 2007, 06:17:54 PM »
Hi Bruce,

here is a quote of Otto's message (German language thread)
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1848.msg31041.html#msg31041
Quote
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Aber ich weiss sicher das es eine Legierung aus 2 nichtmagnetischen Metallen sein muss. Ich habe Alu, rostfrei, Kupfer und Eisen als Kollektoren ausprobiert. Alles schlecht. Aber als ich Legierungen ausprobierte war das seeehr viel besser als mit Kupfer.

Klar, ich meine den oder die Kollektoren.
In English this would be
Quote
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But I know for sure that it should be an alloy from two non-magmetic metals. I tried Aluminium, stainless, copper and iron as collectors. All are bad. But when I tried alloys it was muuuch better than with copper.

Sure, I am talking about the collector(s)



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« Reply #37 on: May 17, 2007, 06:25:22 PM »
hi Bruce,

i too think Steven said like 3 times copper would do.

"we discoverd that lamp wire worked very well as collector" or something like that and also,
"About the collector:  It is three separate coils of multi strand copper wire laid one on top of the other, not
interleaved."

and"Lamp cord is what I use to connect my speakers to my amplifier." however this last one does not have to point to the collector.

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #38 on: May 17, 2007, 06:36:18 PM »
@Sauron,

Does SM mean that there are "three parts" as in three coils of wire in a stack just for the middle collector and not the top and bottom coils?

Could you post the photos again of your set up Sauron?  We much appreciate your imput Sauron.  Thanks!

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #39 on: May 17, 2007, 08:44:06 PM »
SM NEVER says COPPER about the collectors.

He says, "stranded wire."

The ONLY reference to copper wire is that he uses lamp cord (#14 copper stranded) to CONNECT the Amplifier (controller) to the Speakers. (collectors)  Which makes sense seeing how they are simply carrying the Frequency (sound) waves!

ALSO, do you know how much WORK he put into that "baling wire"!  He had to laminate it, bake it, etc... Why do ALL OF THAT if he could have gone down to the local hardware store and buy some copper?  I already gave the answer.

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #40 on: May 17, 2007, 09:07:30 PM »
Bruce,

I like the idea of the collector not being copper and although SM has said he is not allowed to speak about the MATERIAL and the number of turns in the collector, it suggests that it isn't copper. Why else would he say this so explicitly?

BUT.... here is the EXACT phrase from SM about the collector where he does say copper....


It is three separate coils of multi strand copper wire laid one on top of the other, not
interleaved. Three is important. You can do many things with three coils. You can run
them in parallel, you can run two in series and one in parallel, or etc.
You can run a separate frequency into each coil for better control on large power units if
need be.
The control wiring is vertically wound in several segments around each of the horizontal
collector coils. Other control wires are wound around all of the horizontal collector coils
together.

Have you got an answer for this contradiction? I sure hope so....

regards

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« Reply #41 on: May 17, 2007, 09:25:57 PM »
@Sauron,

Does SM mean that there are "three parts" as in three coils of wire in a stack just for the middle collector and not the top and bottom coils?

~Dan

hello ~Dan i think he means just what he say's.

three seperate coils
made of multi strand copper wire
laid one on top of the other
not interleaved

this he calls the collector (the whole thing) ,otherwise he calls it the collector coils.

For example here:

Listen, you need to make three coils or so one on top of the other.  But the important thing is to wrap the control coils perpendicularly around the collector coils.  There needs to be three of them all the way around.

Again:

Most of the more successful units we made had control wiring run or wrapped vertically over the horizontal collector wires.

And again:

They were run perpendicular to the travel of the collector wires.

He even adds:

They were run in multiple segments...

And again:

The control wiring is vertically wound in several segments around each of the horizontal collector coils. Other control wires are wound around all of the horizontal collector coils together.

So it's 3 coils:

You can do many things with three coils. You can run them in parallel, you can run two in series and one in parallel, or etc.  You can run a separate frequency into each coil for better control on large power units if need be.

Then about the feed:

Start the coil and get to catalyst.
Solid state devices are too slow to find the three major intersecting you know whats...
PC boards made out of different materials change the operating conditions of SS devices.
Soldering the components at least 1/2 inch above the board itself is essential to making a good SS 
control unit out of discrete devices.
As you know, Large amounts of FEEDBACK is essential to frequency and control when using SS 
devices for everything in the electronics world, HOWEVER, it is the enemy of generators!
we HAD to place our control devices in the middle of the operating coil.

There must be SOMETHING that tube control devices did differently then SS devices.
As my memory tells me, I originally used three old tube type frequency generators coupled to tube amplifiers It was using this apparatus that enabled me to first strike those magical tones.
Higher frequencies are actually the real catalyst...
Each segment could be fed a different frequency individually and or from a collector section to help perpetuate the oscillation and control.
Start them up one at a time each.
First frequency, then second harmonic component into the second, then the third.  When you eventually strike the cord look out.  You will know what has happened at that point.  In the mean time you can measure a slight output even if you do not strike the exact cord.  Larger collectors have a much greater ability to collect and dissipate more energy then the smaller ones. However, if they turn into a bomb it will not make much difference.  There is no such thing as a small lightning strike.

Last,but not least:

I was looking at the man from the Atomic Energy Commission and noted he had a kind face.
He smiled at me and we began to talk.
He told me that he admired my work very much. He told me that he thought of me as a fellow scientist. He told me that as scientists we had an obligation to protect people from our findings or things we discover if they may be generally harmful to them or the public at large.
He told me that it was the duty of conscientious scientists to keep the black genies in the bottles so as not to harm society any more then necessary. He mentioned the Atomic bomb and how much better the world would be if it never had been invented, right? I said , right!
He went on to discuss my technology in detail and reminded me of the destructive capability when the devices reach harmonic perfection. I told him that was a good analogy, or way of putting it.....

The magnetic wave is so strong that it will completely destroy any unprotected electronic circuits of solid state design. 


@ Bruce, are you sugesting someone changed the modern king's words?

Sauron.

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #42 on: May 17, 2007, 10:33:29 PM »
Sauron,

Follow me on this for a moment:
SM said:
three seperate coils
made of multi strand copper wire
laid one on top of the other
not interleaved


You can do many things with three coils. You can run them in parallel, you can run two in series and one in parallel, or etc.  You can run a separate frequency into each coil for better control on large power units if need be. (THIS IS THE PROOF HE IS NOT talkin about the collectors.)

Now we know from the rest of the posts that frequency, harmonic, and Intermodulation go into each of the three collector.  He is NOT talking about the collector here, he is talking about the wires wrapped perpindicular to the collectors.  And this IS where the output must be.  This would also explain the remark about TAO's comments and the electrons radiating perpindicular to the wires....Sauron, YOU have just helped me put together that part of the puzzle!!!

Look, here SM says,
"They were run perpindicular to the travel of the collector wires.  They were run in multiple segments (Not INTERLEAVED).  Each segment COULD BE (in larger units!) a different frequency individually or FROM A COLLECTOR section to HELP perpetuate the oscillation and controll."

Now, there are two types of control wires.  One type is wrapped individually around a portion of each collector(making for three segment).  And one type is wrapped individually around ALL THREE collectors in segment.  One of these is our AC electromagnet, to act as catalyst, and the other set must be the OUTPUT of the unit, NOT the collectors.  This would then make TAO's comment absolutely correct.  Now the question is which one is which.  SM tells us NOT INTERLEAVED.  I have had a difficult time with that word and need help.  Which ever of the above mentioned wires that are "not interleaved" (I need an accurate definition that fits this) is our OUTPUT!

I agree with Otto, the collectors need to be an alloy, one conductive and can give up three electrons.  SM created a DC rectifier Tube, without the vacuum and on steroids!!   Heat the cold cathode through the AC electromagnet.  Electrons are released, current starts to flow.  The first, then second, then third frequency is input into the collectors, and the current is magnified.  Tap the output control wires with a permanent magnet and you have :
SM's Words:
"...the PHENOMENON OF MAGNETIC COLLECTION"

Tao did have the secret!  And now we all do!!

Sauron, always question.  If you had not I would never have seen this!!!

To SM, the modern King of electrons!
Enough talk,
Time to build!!
Bruce

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« Reply #43 on: May 17, 2007, 10:45:22 PM »
Good Luck to you Bruce ;D

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Re: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2
« Reply #44 on: May 17, 2007, 11:23:30 PM »
Thank you Sauron!   :)

I will make two seperate TPU's.  One I will make out of copper and the other out of an alloy, maybe stranded, maybe not.  I will post pics as I go.  We want to leave no stone uncovered.  My money is on the alloy.   ;)  But we will see.

P.S.  Remember SM's analogy of the electrons in the collectors being like water in a hose.  It can be sqeezed to move the water along (electromagnet)  Or lifted up or BOTH.  Perhaps when he places the magnet on the unit it somehow causes the electrons to "lift up" into the output/control wires.  Otto is close.  I see that now.  I now believe more than ever though, that neither set of control wires connect in series to the collector.  Of course experimentation will either prove or disprove this.  I think this device is more complex than some first thought. 




 

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