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Bruce_TPU · « **on:** April 25, 2007, 02:50:25 AM »

I have been told to no longer write in my own threads, so I have removed all the relevent posts that did not conform to their ideas.

Sorry. Only post an idea here if "the group" agrees. The "theory" police.

Regards.

tao · « **Reply #1 on:** April 25, 2007, 04:12:29 AM »

So, you want to play the 'I'm not technical, so that is how I could see through SM's words'-CARD...

Well, let me ask you this!!!

You are saying that you understand the TPU based on what SM said. That must mean that you take into account EVERYTHING that SM said, right?!?!

Well, did you happen to read SM's post where he says that the MAGNETS ARE NOT NEEDED FOR THE TPU TO WORK?

Based on you saying that you READ and LISTENED to SM, why did you happen to disregard that post? SM said that the TPU had to be able to start via a magnet, to show that it truely was OU, because people didn't like seeing any batteries in his devices. And yes, SM said that in his first devices he used batteries, but only to power the control circuitry. Maybe you need to read more...

You are getting all these guy's poor hopes up with your large posts where you blatantly say that you have the answer, even though you have not made a simple coil! What a shame...

Bruce_TPU · « **Reply #2 on:** April 25, 2007, 04:29:29 AM »

tao · « **Reply #3 on:** April 25, 2007, 06:18:14 AM »

"The people of this forum are not mindless robots, but are very bright. You say "poor guys" as if they can not think for themselves. "

Man, are you trying to flip this on me or what? Your actually trying to incinuate that I think the people here are robots??? Are you mad? Now you are offending me!

It's not going to work buddy. I am looking out for all the guys here.

I was here since day one, the people of this forum know this. I said 'poor guys' because there are many that are NEW to this forum and NEW to the TPU, and they come here seeing you say "LOOK EVERYONE, HERE IS THE ANSWER!!!", when all that you are really doing is reposting SM's words with some words capitalized to show meaning.

I am NOT targeting you, I am merely trying to show that you aren't really showing ANY answer at all, you are just resposting SM's words and claiming that 'we missed something.'

And what info did you give out? "Instead of keeping all of this info to myself, I chose to share it. " You just reposted SM's words.

This is over now, you obviously don't know how to discuss or debate logically, you have not addressed even one of my questions that clearly show you are in the wrong here. So, go ahead and flip it on me again and make me look like the bad guy.

I was trying to be nice to you when I said "Your intentions are well, but your aptitude for the TPU isn't."

The primary reason I posted that first reply to you was that you blasted your long post across at least 4 threads, claiming you HAD THE ANSWER, when all you did was repost SM's words. I didn't think that was right considering your post WAS FULL OF ERRORS.

And, to let you know something, I WILL be posting my final theory to the TPU, and my primary description of it won't include SM's posts, for the same reason that you can't define a word in a dictionary using that same word...

El Fin.....................................

Bruce_TPU · « **Reply #4 on:** April 25, 2007, 06:21:00 AM »

Tao -

Peace.

Grumpy · « **Reply #5 on:** April 25, 2007, 06:31:29 AM »

btentzer,

SM stated once that "tao" had the secret, which was to create pulses and stop them before they reached the end of the control coil - capturing the resulting radiant energy in the collector coil. Maybe you missed that...

Theories are just thoughts and words until proven.

There are three types of fields in/around that ring - a torsion (time) field, a electric field, and a magnetic field. Manipulation of two - manfests as the third. A combination of the electric field and the magnetic field can be made to manifest as a torsion field and this torsion field will in turn react with one or the other to create the third. This torsion field is difficult to detect except when it reacts with one of the other two fields.

Bruce_TPU · « **Reply #6 on:** April 25, 2007, 06:42:04 AM »

bob.rennips · « **Reply #7 on:** April 25, 2007, 12:22:32 PM »

Quote from: btentzer on April 25, 2007, 02:50:25 AM

I will attempt to not over simplify this for everyone. You can read SM's post in light of these things and perhaps you will come to the same conclusion.

1.) SM said that the Earth's magnet field was the reason, cause of the "Kick" or spike at the switching on and off of electrons hitting the surface of the wire. This "Kick" is the addition for a microsecond of more electrons than there should be.
2.) He also stated that very interesting things can occur when you have two freq. together. SM's kicks did not come from voltage but high FREQ. Actually, the worst kind, the kind with hash and spike and every awful thing (if you are a radio guy that is).
3.) The TPU ONLY produces POWER (Volts time Amps = Watts) when the small Permanent Magnet is put in place. This is why:
To produce electricity as we know today, either magnets rotate around wires, or wires rotate around magnet(s).
SM said "Let me give you something to think about...
If you had a short wire and you moved a magnet across it you would always have limited POTENTIAL because the length of wire was so short. OK now what if we increase the length of the wire to many miles in length even with a very WEAK MAGNETIC field moving across the wire you still have a much greater potential flow of power available. If we put it into a perspective of power per inch it may be easier to understand. If you have a small magnetic field moving across a wire twelve inches long it can generate an electron flow equal to lets say one millivolt per inch. If you move the magnet twelve inches at the same speed you get 12 millivolts moving a magnet across it. If you have a wire 1000 feet long and you move the same small magnetic field across the length of it you can create much more voltage potential perhaps 12,000 millivolts lets say. So you have managed to generate a significant amount of electric power with a WEAK magnetic force....."
He goes on with much more. Let me break it down for you.

Are we moving the SMALL PERMANENT MAGNET on the TPU? NO
Are we moving the wires on the TPU? NO
SO WHAT IS MOVING? THE ELECTRONS!

WHAT IS CURRENT? THE MOVEMENT OF ELECTRONS THROUGH A MAGNETIC FIELD. THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN CAUSED BY THE MAGNET IN PRIOR ART. NOT WITH STEVE MARK'S TPU. IT MOVES THE ELECTRONS ("KICKS" AND REVERSED FREQ. MEETING TOGETHER) THROUGH A WEAK MAGNETIC FIELD ESTABLISHED BY THE PERMANENT MAGNET. WHEN THE MAGNET IS THERE THE MOVING ELECTRONS TURN TO CURRENT, WHEN IT IS REMOVED IT WINDS DOWN LIKE A TURBINE, UNTIL THE LAST OF THE ELECTRONS THAT PASSED THROUGH THE WEAK MAGNETIC FIELD EXIT. REPLACE THE MAGNET AND THE MOVING ELECTRONS BECOME CURRENT ONCE AGAIN.

One more thought about needing the Controller designed, please:
I am trying to have everyone realize that the CONTROLLER is the key. Once that is built and working, we will be able to figure out the wiring as we please.

Let me give an analogy here. If you showed a video to a group of scientist of a car moving on a road. And they attempted to rebuild the car. So they made the shell, look like what they had seen. They put on tires, etc. But it would not run. WHY? They were missing the engine (catalyst in SM's words!) THE CONTROLLER IS THE ENGINE AND THE COILS ARE THE BODY. Important, YES. But without the engine it will not go!

Steve Mark, my hat is off to you. You are a genius.

Regards,
Bruce

You say:
"WHAT IS CURRENT? THE MOVEMENT OF ELECTRONS THROUGH A MAGNETIC FIELD. THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN CAUSED BY THE MAGNET IN PRIOR ART."

rubbish, rubbish, rubbish!!! Go back to school.

One ampere of current represents one coulomb of electrical charge (6.24 x 1018 charge carriers) moving past a specific point in one second. Moving charges be they electrons, -ve or +ve charged matter or polarised molecules cause a magnetic field to be created... and as for prior art statement. What do you mean ? Current is only caused by a magnetic field - what nonsense.

You say:
"SM's kicks did not come from voltage but high FREQ"

rubbish, rubbish, rubbish!!!

You need to look up what frequency means. Frequency means "number of cycles per unit of time". It is a measurement not a thing. To say SM's kicks came from a measurement is pure nonsense.

What do you think is cycling when SM talks about frequency ?
Well here are some choices:

1. Voltage.
2. Current.
3. Standing waves.
4. Rotating standing waves.
5. Location of kicks around a coil.

Take your pick, a cycling of ANY of them, indirectly means the voltage is also cycling.

Bruce, in all seriousness, you need to refresh your memory on electricty and magnetism, because people are having a laugh at your expense. Then you'll realise that indeed ignorance is indeed bliss!

http://ippex.pppl.gov/interactive/electricity/

And please don't tell us that it is because of your ignorance that you can understand more of what SM is saying - this is just tripe and allows you to keep wading in the brown stuff of your ignorance.

What is requires is a broad outlook and a belief that NOT everything concerning electricity and magnetism is already known. That whilst our understanding or MODELLING of electricity and magnetism works well under a model that assumes a closed energy system does not mean this IS the case. If all standard electrical circuits also involve an EQUAL exchange with an all pervasive energy (say in the ether or background noise of the universe) the closed loop model works well. However, if you can devise a circuit where this energy exchange is NOT equal you get an effect like the SM's devices.

Finally, you haven't even taken the time to separate out Mannix's theories and those comments directly attributed to SM. If you go to http://www.gn0sis.com/ there is a SM section where this is done for you. Those starting Dear Lindsay and ending SM are from SM. Anything else ISN'T from SM.

(That is a zero in the domain name not the letter 'o').

And you would do well to LISTEN intently to Tao.

UncleFester · « **Reply #8 on:** April 25, 2007, 01:03:01 PM »

Dear god! please dont send him over to Gn0sis too! We don't need these kinds of distractions there as well. criminy!

Mannix · « **Reply #9 on:** April 25, 2007, 03:00:10 PM »

btentzer,

Your enthusiasim is great ..many of those here have been thru it and very thoroughly ..while there is some confusion it might be better to slow down and take stock....wind some coils while you do.

It would be a shame to waste your good energy on debate.

People are working hard to make this easier and it may not be long before we are discussing the best fire extinguishers.

To plaster your stuff that has not been tested by you thru these threads ,and create lot of stuff that wont move because you are not hands on...is possibly well meant but is seen as bad manners..

I politely ask that you consider testing things...Otto's test is a very good start.

what you describe is not at all complete ..you need to make it..perhaps you will surprise everybody..In another way.

As to Bens statement.re Myself and Steven/texts . he is wrong about that but has no way of knowing it because body there ever has ever bothered to ask me.Why would that be?

We all have lots to learn and it aint all tpuology

My very best to those who are getting sore fingers..and sore heads

Lindsay Mannix

hartiberlin · « **Reply #10 on:** April 25, 2007, 11:18:28 PM »

@btentzer,

there are some basic misconceptions
in your knowledge of electronis.

Please slow down, take a rest and
first study a few electronics theories and
build hardware.

If your hardware works, just come back and
show us a movie of it working.

Until then, I would propose, just only
read here...

Many thanks for understanding.

Regards, Stefan. ( admin)

mkt3920 · « **Reply #11 on:** April 25, 2007, 11:42:04 PM »

Quote from: Mannix on April 25, 2007, 03:00:10 PM

btentzer,

As to Bens statement.re Myself and Steven/texts . he is wrong about that but has no way of knowing it because body there ever has ever bothered to ask me.Why would that be?

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,712.msg10321.html#msg10321

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,712.msg16455.html#msg16455

Mannix · « **Reply #12 on:** April 26, 2007, 12:03:11 AM »

Quote from: mkt3920 on April 25, 2007, 11:42:04 PM

Quote from: Mannix on April 25, 2007, 03:00:10 PM
btentzer,

As to Bens statement.re Myself and Steven/texts . he is wrong about that but has no way of knowing it because body there ever has ever bothered to ask me.Why would that be?

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,712.msg10321.html#msg10321

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,712.msg16455.html#msg16455

The king story is a STORY it is introduced as a story never did I say it was from Steven..

In fact I said that Steven liked it...

I did respond to a few pm's at the time , I probably thought I posted it.

That is unfortunate

It does illustrate the mechanisim of not reading things and adding what suits you.

I was refering to the comments that said that the "sorting was done for you" and the reason. Nobody EVER asked me to confirm.
But that was probably after they denied me assess to their "group"
of phsycoanalysts. I was astonished that they were NOT listening to Steven as new information became available...it will all come out and be 100% hindsight in the future.

It has made a great chapter for my book....but did not advance TPU 's

I hope that this helps you make up your own mind as to the fragility of the mechanisims at work here.

If you want to pm me with the list I will correct it for you.

Lindsay

giantkiller · « **Reply #13 on:** April 26, 2007, 12:37:10 AM »

Very well placed noise...

--giantkiller. I wish this all into the cornfield.

gn0stik · « **Reply #14 on:** April 26, 2007, 02:10:15 AM »

Quote from: Mannix on April 26, 2007, 12:03:11 AM

I was refering to the comments that said that the "sorting was done for you" and the reason. Nobody EVER asked me to confirm.

Nothing to confirm Lindsay, it's been there since gn0sis started, the very first thread. I made there, and the very first posts. You could have commented on it any time. Besides, it's intended as reference info, and the title of the thread is SM/Mannix reference info.

The king story has never been represented as being from SM. In fact your very first post that started all this shit is the first piece in that reference material thread. And that's obviously from you too. By the nature of the title it could be from either you or him.

It's just a collection of posts Lindsay. Nothing to confirm.

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But that was probably after they denied me assess to their "group" aof phsycoanalysts.

...ahem. Holding a grudge are we. First, no you were still there, you just missed it. Second, Let me explain something here.

EVERY BIT OF PROGRESS THAT HAS BEEN MADE IN THIS ENDEAVOR HAS BEEN MADE DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY BY SOMEONE THAT USED TO BE MEMBERS OF THAT GROUP.

Are we square on this? So calling the group a group of psychoanalysts is a low blow Lindsay. SOME of which you wanted me to boot. Hell I had to argue the case to allow people I thought were worthwhile and and you chastised me for adding members that have proven themselves.

Do you want to do this now, Lindsay?

Because I'll lay the record straight right here and now. If that's what you'd like. Logic would dicatate that SM reads this board, and has an account, how do you think he'd feel if he knew how you sabotaged things there? Hmm? How people would come to me and tell me how devisive you were one person against another? Playing people like they were poker hands? Hmm? Deleting posts that were meant for all of us, after I had asked you not to and warned you. I wonder if SM knows how you treat someone who enstills a trust in you?

Do you know how people stood and applauded when you got banned?

And now this. All of this has happened, all this progress, since it all opened up, which I suggested many times.

Have you even once considered that all of this progress is because it opened up?

BECAUSE I BANNED YOU?

ARE YOU BLIND?

Now, let's just be done with the whole mess. That is all. No more. WE can be adults about this. I'm willing if your willing. That group has not existed for a long time now, so there's no reason to be petty. There's still some info there and one thread there, but that's because I got flak for making some of it public by people who thought their posts would always be kept there. My mistake, and I apologized.

However, I make this offer right here and now. If you approve, and all others approve. I will make that thread public for all to see. It's all been leaked by now anyway.

People who were members should go and delete any personal information that you don't want shared now.

By the way Lindsay....

I lost FRIENDS out of it, and YOUR holding a grudge? Gimme a break.

Hold your tounge next time.

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I was astonished that they were NOT listening to Steven as new information became available...it will all come out and be 100% hindsight in the future.

We were. Every word. Thing is Lindsay, we still don't have a full picture of things.

How many of SM's emails are you sitting on by the way?

How much more info that you deem irrelevent, or something we're not ready for are you sitting on?

You want us to listen to his words?

Give them to us. Give them all to us.

Rich

@btentzer, There is a reason for internet etiquette. Go read a little about it.

Stop power posting your theories that are as tired as the dust of egypt.

You want to get a theory or two? Read all 7 or 8 thousand posts on all the sites that host threads about SM, then get back to us.

@GK. did you say cornfield?

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