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Author Topic: New Stagger Stator PMM Design. Review wanted before construction.  (Read 26954 times)

Offline nwman

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Re: New Stagger Stator PMM Design. Review wanted before construction.
« Reply #45 on: April 28, 2007, 07:01:34 AM »
This is what I mailed him:

I have to ask you a question about your video. You say there is no gate but it seems like you have to push it into the stator magnet. I have worked with a lot of magnet "stuff" and I know that all you have to do it is get it past that first little repulsion zone at the beginning and it will take off. Please let me know if you have to push it at all into the stator. I have am working on vary similar things and I have connections and the resources to help. If you can post or send me another video just showing some how that you don't have to push/spin the disk into the stator. For your video to be conclusive it needs to show the rotor(s) being pulled into the stator. Please ask if you need any clarification.

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look at the vedio closely you will see that i push it in the right place so that the magnetic force of the stator magnet atracts the first incomeing rotor magnets i let the pointer and it start on its own and completes its journy to the other end of the set of magnets notice that it dont atractbut pushes it away from the one end there is a noticeble bounceing affect but thats to be expected and will be updateing more on smothing out that minor issue.


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I have looked at it tens of times. I can't pinpoint it on the first time (that he displays it) but the second time I question at the time 1:57-1:58 the wheel rotates backwards for a split second while you take the pointer off the disk. Now even if there is some repulsion its not the end of the world. If its minimal and the inertia generated by it rotating is greater then that repulsion then your in business.

I want to ask you to joint a community at overunity.com Click the link below to check out a thread I am working on and talk with some of my fellow colleagues. Click the link below to go there. I have already informed them of your video.


http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2259.new.html#new




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Offline nwman

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Re: New Stagger Stator PMM Design. Review wanted before construction.
« Reply #46 on: April 28, 2007, 07:28:00 AM »
This is a photo analysis.

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Re: New Stagger Stator PMM Design. Review wanted before construction.
« Reply #47 on: April 28, 2007, 07:39:37 AM »
His are some ideas

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Re: New Stagger Stator PMM Design. Review wanted before construction.
« Reply #48 on: April 28, 2007, 07:40:48 AM »
i think i begin to understand how his motor work

his 2 stator magnet are probably S at bottom (left) and N at bottom (right)

they are 2 ramp over the rotor, are faced nord (top)

the rotor work when the first magnet are between the 2 and the attraction start with the N pole of the first, the second magnet on the rotor continue and begin to be pulled off, but its hard to tell, i am quite not sure about the direction of the magnet but i think the first ramp interact in attraction and the second ramp work with repulsion

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Re: New Stagger Stator PMM Design. Review wanted before construction.
« Reply #49 on: April 28, 2007, 08:00:53 AM »
the creator seems resonable, I think he would probably share that info. Has anyone heard anymore on the bathbrush guy. Not to detrack from the thread, it was afterall looking to be a v gate style design(hwich is why I bring it up here)

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Re: New Stagger Stator PMM Design. Review wanted before construction.
« Reply #50 on: April 28, 2007, 08:27:15 AM »
I haven't heard a word about it for a little while.

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Re: New Stagger Stator PMM Design. Review wanted before construction.
« Reply #51 on: April 28, 2007, 07:34:52 PM »
Nice video, but there is two things that prevent this to rotate:
Right before the magnets are going under the stator magnet it is repelled backwards - look closely to the video. Then when the guy manually bypass this point it starts to rotate. However, the disc is also slowing down quite rapidly right after all the magnets has left the stator magnet. The answer to the guys question, about what's going to happend when the magnets are placed all around the disc, is that the disc will stand perfectly still. If it cannot run with fewer magnets, it does not run with all the magnets.

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Re: New Stagger Stator PMM Design. Review wanted before construction.
« Reply #52 on: April 28, 2007, 09:37:03 PM »
It can also rolling down long the table WITHOUT MAGNETS !

If it rolls "DOWN" . (mechanic solution from an faked tabel)

So , not each video or pic , tell you "in first way" the true !

You must also think , that some people hunting for the money.
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Re: New Stagger Stator PMM Design. Review wanted before construction.
« Reply #53 on: April 30, 2007, 09:27:46 PM »
What size do you think those neo disc magnets are in the Magnetic spinner? 3/8,1/2"? How thick?

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Re: New Stagger Stator PMM Design. Review wanted before construction.
« Reply #54 on: May 02, 2007, 12:23:35 AM »
Does anyone think the "magnetic spinner" is worth replicating? I think I could replicate it for $20 or so using a plastic lazy Susan turn table and ceramic disc magnets (which I now have a lot of) or if I had to I could buy the same kind of neos. I'm sure I'll probably run into the same problem I had with Tom's rails but I wanted to see what you all though?

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Re: New Stagger Stator PMM Design. Review wanted before construction.
« Reply #55 on: May 03, 2007, 03:02:35 AM »
the spinner would be fun if you want to give it a go, however it won't work on a fixed axle (lazysuzan) the metal ball allows the donut magnet to change angles and posistion relative to the stator, if you lock it up it doesn't do much. Also use rectangle mag with a hole in the center, not just rectangles.

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Re: New Stagger Stator PMM Design. Review wanted before construction.
« Reply #56 on: May 03, 2007, 08:21:50 AM »
the spinner would be fun if you want to give it a go, however it won't work on a fixed axle (lazysuzan) the metal ball allows the donut magnet to change angles and posistion relative to the stator, if you lock it up it doesn't do much. Also use rectangle mag with a hole in the center, not just rectangles.

Why do you say rectangles with a hole? You kind of lost me on the spinner comment. His spinner doesn't have a donut magnet?

I am also still working with the 3+ rotor with continuous/staggered track and perpendicular sliding rotor design. I have spent a few dollars already and I want to design it more before spending to much more. I have a feeling that the force generated by having 2 or more rotors in the middle/end(acceleration) of the tracks wanting to rotate the wheel is going to be far less then whats needed to push the 3rd rotor "around" the repulsion point. But I have now way of calculating this.

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Re: New Stagger Stator PMM Design. Review wanted before construction.
« Reply #57 on: May 04, 2007, 07:10:51 AM »
I thought you were refering to the hamel spinner mag motor. Were you talking about the "brushed" motor design?

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Re: New Stagger Stator PMM Design. Review wanted before construction.
« Reply #58 on: May 04, 2007, 07:34:48 AM »
I thought you were refering to the hamel spinner mag motor. Were you talking about the "brushed" motor design?

I was talking about this "magnetic spinner" desgin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91iCppzXuXw

I tried a simple reproduction using a 18" plastic turn table instead of this aluminum disc. I also used the 3/4" ceramic disk magnets from the rails I built instead of the neos and I had two of the rectangle magnets he had used in the video. My results were not that good. I couldn't find the polar configuration that would give me any kind of result like his. I haven't heard a word from him so I'm assuming he is either trying to build the full thing or had realized his oversights.

An update of my current design: I think I have ruled out using a sliding track like in the picture below and feel some kind of balanced hinge arm would be better. I will try to put some graphics together expressing this more. Let me try to solidify a design and figure a why to logically document and express it and I will post again.

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Re: New Stagger Stator PMM Design. Review wanted before construction.
« Reply #59 on: May 04, 2007, 11:52:27 AM »
Does anyone think the "magnetic spinner" is worth replicating? I think I could replicate it for $20 or so using a plastic lazy Susan turn table and ceramic disc magnets (which I now have a lot of) or if I had to I could buy the same kind of neos. I'm sure I'll probably run into the same problem I had with Tom's rails but I wanted to see what you all though?

Tim
You can try to replicate it. It seems quite straight forward - there are probably not very complicated math behind this disc...

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