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Author Topic: Source of energy, Testatika  (Read 183670 times)

Offline mikewatson

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #210 on: December 15, 2013, 07:17:47 PM »
A possibility is that Baumann discovered the Lochak Magnetic monopole charge which is simply produced by a beta emitter in a magnetic field or more correctly the discovery that the neutrino which accompanies beta emission can become a magnetic monopole when close to a the pole of a common magnet:-
Quote from the Prof. Lochak paper:-


 The magnetic monopole is not a myth!
It has an equation, experiences and plans applications.
Georges Lochak
Fondation Louis de Broglie 23, rue Marsoulan 75012 Paris e-mail: inst.louisdebroglie @ free.fr
 
Abstract: The magnetic monopole is a particle with a single magnetic charge north or south, not
two opposite charges like a magnet. There is often a myth, but in reality, there is now a theory, due to the author of these lines, with equations and accurate predictions…
further quote from the George Lochak paper:-
“ A phone call from Moscow.
I am fluent in Russian and I received one day in Moscow, a phone call from a physicist I do not know, Leonid Urutskoiev the Kurchatov Institute, returning from a long mission in Chernobyl at the head of a team that sought the origin of the disaster.
After ten years of observations too long to relate here, he hypothesized a flood of monopoles, from an electrical explosion (which occurred in the engine room). The flow would spread by the cooling circuit of the reactor, initiating acceleration of the nuclear process while it was being shut down to change the uranium rods.
Urutskoiev told me immediately that he thought it was "my" monopole, relying on a series of amazing events, starting with the runaway disintegration, but there were also violent attraction of electric line to the cooling system, from which came the idea of extraordinary magnetic excited enrichment of uranium debris, up to 27% Uranium 235, while the bars were only 1.1% (!) lifting and tilting on the side of the reactor cover weighing 2500 tons, so that the walls (even internal) were
intact, thus excluding gas pressure and did look for other causes, including possible change of the
gravitational field, there was again a dazzling light that was not due to a fire in the reactor, because the internal paint and graphite were intact (except in one place). All these very unusual events gave some clues for Urutskoiev to look boldly at a light magnetic monopole….”


End of quote
Baumann could have accumulated a magnetic charge provided by magnetically excited neutrinos emanated from a good beta emitter such as radium bromide doped luminous paint placed in a common magnetic field. These magnetic charges presumably act in a similar manner to electric charges producing opposite pole magnetic charge induction in iron objects close by.
Potassium chloride (salt substitute) is naturally beta radioactive (and consequent neutrino emitter) due to the presence of K40 and I have been searching for magnetic charge from that…
The need to let these magnetic charges build up may be why the the testatika did not seem to run continuously.
Mike


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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #210 on: December 15, 2013, 07:17:47 PM »

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #211 on: June 24, 2014, 01:15:52 AM »
What if the segments of the disc did not have individual charges - but the WHOLE disc was charged with one potential? I've always wondered why there weren't any discharges between the segments being so close to each other - and this could be the reason. Also the video says: "one disc is the earth, the other disc is the cloud". So one whole disc is (-), one whole disc is (+). Maybe the metal grids are just additional constructions for whatever... "to hold the charge onto the disc" so the disc doesn't lose to much charge, but in the end both disc could have different potential - unlike a Wimshurst which has both charges mixed on both discs and only on small segments.

You know: the small segments alone would not have much charge, but 2 discs fully charged could store a lot more energy.

Though I got no further idea on how to use 2 oppositely charged discs rotating contrary to each other to gain energy---

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #212 on: June 24, 2014, 07:16:39 PM »
Gauschor, I mostly tend to think also that one disk is positive while the other negative, just like cloud and earth. Also, neither the single disk little machine nor the 3KW machine could work the way common
ES machines do (Wimshurts, Pidgeon, Dirod...) because of the strange way they're wired up. So the
two disks could actually collect positive and negative air ions respectively. The only issue is that in the
3KW machine each side collector key appears all the ways making a single piece with the rear and the
front ones, or at least being electrically interconnected (as it would be in a plain Wimshurst machine), and
believe me I'm perhaps one of the few ones who spent so much time by carefully studying those details in
an almost forensic way... so every collecting key would simply short the "ground" and the "cloud". Here's
the puzzle !
-Elena

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Offline gauschor

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #213 on: July 18, 2014, 06:51:25 PM »
Coming from the C-Stack topic in the forum (a setup where the source battery may not be depleted) I thought maybe this is another hint how the Testatika could work. Baumann said in one interview the trick is to keep the voltage alive. And exactly in there http://jnaudin.free.fr/cstack/index.htm at the last picture (also attached, copied from website) and paragraph is a setup that could explain the principle.

So on the one hand we have a high voltage source. It rises within the flash tubes until it comes to a discharge impulse which then is transmitted via a C-Capacitor to the inner plates. The author says, the result was more intense at the output.

Edit: Oh wait... a discharge... damnit! A discharge means it has to rise again slowly...

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #214 on: July 28, 2014, 07:17:16 PM »
The stacked capacitors always fascinated me and I built many and I experimented with them in the
past, but I really don't see how such a device could differ electronically from a "capacitor network",
to follow the author's jargon. A four plates C-stack works in no way differently than three identical
capacitors connected in series, whose four ends (both the final and the intermediate ones) are
accessible and employed. That's at least what I can say of my first hand experience with them.
I don't see how having the common plates made as two electrically connected plates rather than
a shared one may make any difference. I can witness the transformer effect of course, the fact that
it appears being a resonance frequency at which the output is maximized, either if you apply the
signal to the inner or the other plates, or even to the first and third ones... I really see nothing strange
here and nothing different than by using three normal capacitors as I descrived above.


The issue with the drawing from Cris Paltenghe and his implementation is that the 'HV' supply reported
is actually an AC one, since it was harvested from a plasma ball or such gadget. Perhaps the author
forgot this fact, marking the only one output with a plus sign, as he perhaps ignores that every HV
supply actually has TWO outputs, and while he could have not noticed the second output, it was
unavoidably capacitively-coupled with ground - so anyway the drawing is wrong/incomplete.
Also it is not clear how such a setup can work being driven by AC without diodes or other rectification
means - he SHOULD have explained that better at least. Any parasitic capacitance to ground or to other
parts should have been contemplated and also drawn correctly and mentioned.


Anyway, always bear in mind that the Testatika has NEITHER GROUND CONNECTIONS NOR AERIALS !
So, if even some C-stack is employed there, possibly also with different metals (like Cu and Al, as it
seems) - and I even tend to believe that - it is definitely employed in some very different manner.


Funny devices the C-stacks, though :)




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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #215 on: July 28, 2014, 08:40:33 PM »
Elena you are 100 percent right.

So there is one conclusion remaining to be drawn with respect to the Testatika: it is a hoax. And I say this, being personally acquainted with several people who have actually visited Methernitha back in the Baumann days and actually held the small one in hand, while it was working, or so they tell me.

The resemblance to conventional electrostatic induction machines is the Big Red Herring of the Testatika story. As you point out, Baumann had claimed that one disk is "earth" and the other "cloud"... but in a Wimshurst or Bonetti or Dirod device, it is the lateral halves of the machine that are "ground" and "cloud" or positive and negatively charged. Only this type of machine can use the "curling around" style of pickups and sprayers, because as you point out, a machine that had oppositely charged discs front and back would be instantly shorted out by these wrap-around structures which are critical for Bonetti and Wimshurst and Dirod and other machines of the type. The small single disc machine is obviously not working as a Dirod (an analog to the Wimshurst with but a single "disk" made up of the rods -- DIsk-ROD).

And it is clear, by examining all the small sharp points and edges on the "real" Testatika, that it could never itself store or generate the high voltages needed for electrostatic induction to operate.

Whatever the Testatika might really be, it is most definitely NOT an electrostatic induction machine like Wimshurst, Bonetti, Dirod etc.

You might be amused by some of my electrostatic explorations. Here is my Moore's Dirod in action:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxEpSX2Hd54
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpemKuf6X_c

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #216 on: August 10, 2016, 02:18:45 PM »
Should have been called eddy current collector, there is a coil in the center of the wheel.

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #217 on: October 02, 2016, 11:53:46 PM »
What must first be considered is that machines of this type have no official mode of operation. By simply relocating the pickups and cross-members one can change the location and/or polarities of such charges. While, traditionally, the machines take on a bi-lateral configuration, this can be split into 4, 6, 8 or any such division of the disk surfaces, or completely isolated onto the surfaces of one disk, while the other cycles through +/- across its' surface. (Pidgeon Machine). With a sufficient sink, one can draw a countably infinite amount of ionic plasma as a function of your ability to draw it off. What to do with it afterwards is anyone's imagination, but do not underestimate the potential of electrostatic machines. It is possible to draw so much that it destroys the very metals of the machine that collects it.

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #218 on: January 01, 2017, 02:09:42 AM »
ok so,.. about a day and a half into owning a fully functional "ion generator", I noticed certain phases the machine would enter into...
most impressing was the phase in which load current from the driving battery dropped, while RPM increased with the operating disk.
this seems to occur at specific capacitance values (Voss-type machine).

an extensive effort on my part was made to influence this phase to occur.
after removing as much friction as possible, balancing the inductors (trimming down to equal size, etc)
  and tweaking the capacitors to a more favorable state for this phase to occur.
what I have concluded is,.  (I hope I don't sound silly in my old age, as I have adamantly argued the opposite side of this discussion in the past)
Testatika DOES in fact drive itself....
not through the logical approach of looping some power back into the motor...
but through the attraction of positive and negative charges, and neutralizing them at a point in which the momentum of the disk carries it along.

this crude drawing is my attempt to compare a purely magnetic system, to that of an electrostatic machine.
I feel this may help some of you understand how this plastic disk with metal pieces glued to it, can actually perpetuate....


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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #219 on: January 01, 2017, 02:23:29 AM »
I feel it is important to note at this point in my research (as many of you old timers may already know)
The ML-converter is NOT based on a Whimshurst Machine.
Whimshurst machines are designed to operate at a slow and constant RPM, relying on the surface area and charge density to create a potential.

Testatika is based on a Pidgeon Machine (which I have personally very little info on).
   What I have found that closest matches the descriptions made by Mr. Pidgeon
Is the Voss Machine (otherwise known as a Toepler/Holtz machine).
In Both the Voss and Pidgeon machine, the ability to accumulate charge is a factor of the rpm of the disk.
the faster it spins, the more charge can be attained.

This is a functionally important difference.  (that and the fact that only 1 disk need to spin, reducing friction by 300%)

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #220 on: January 01, 2017, 03:04:09 AM »
At this point in my research, I have not yet attained "unity", much less 'overunity'

but what I can say, is there seems to be a force, irrespective of load, that aides in rotation of the disk.
this distinctively decreases the load current through the motor,
and the effect is directly related to capacitance (and charged value/charge rate thereof)
with my particular machine parameters, this effect is most prominent with a specific range of capacitor values and RPM.
My build design is made from scraps and most of the work was done with hand tools and hand-held power tools.
This is said to emphasize the fact that my machine is asymmetrical, and most likely not the most efficient design possible.
I have done what I can within my budget to increase efficiency of the machine, reduce friction, etc.
The power output appears to be a factor ONLY of the charge density of the plates, and the RPM,
NOT a factor of the load current through the driving motor.

I cannot correlate any relationship between load, spark gap, inductance, or capacitance back to the current through the drive motor in a negative manner. All attempts to do so have resulted in increases in efficiency via capacitance and charge density of the plates.

lowering friction of the collectors and the rotating disk itself resulted in a further separation of input and output energies.
in all cases, the negative function resulted in a lowering of the RPM, and NOT in an increase in input current.
the motor seems to draw x amount of current per mass of the disk, + some frictional factors.
the electrostatic field only affects the motor in a positive manner (lowering current per increased RPM)

Relocating the Neutralizing Bar DOES affects input current!!! as per my inartistic representation above, placement of the neutral bar too far away from the edge of the inducing plate (inward or outward) creates drag on the motor.

with the neutral bar in the correct position, and the proper capacitance/charge rate of capacitors, I think this type of machine might be capable of perpetuating not only the spinning disk, but the charge separation process itself.



[edit: When the machine enters into what I will now call the "self-operating" phase, a particular sound is heard and all of the capacitors in the system simultaneously increase in charge (audible and physically experienced), this is accompanied by an increase in RPM and a decrease in load current through the drive motor. Note - my machine has NOT "self-operated", but has experienced partial "self operation". What I am curious about is, how much the motor itself may be inhibiting "self-operation"?..... ]

and,.. to those of you who may not know me, yes I did do my homework.
"self-operation" phase occurs when capacitance and charged value / charge rate are within a certain range.
with the capacitors disconnected, there is no "self-operation" phase, and input motor current remains normal.
with capacitors connected, and output disconnected, "self-operation" occurs until a maximum charged value, then decreases back to normal operation.

With a spark gap (specific type of fast discharge load), "self-operation" phase is related to specific frequency ranges.
   I do not own an oscilloscope much less one that can handle several hundred kilovolts, so I have no idea what these frequencies actually are.
What I can tell you, is that frequency varies with spark gap distance, and in this manner is adjustable.
within a range, the machine is more likely to enter into "self operation" phase.
there are more than one ranges, and (although some of you may know what I would say to that) it is purely speculation that these ranges could be
octaves (or multiples) of one another.(??)

Impedance of the gap seems not to affect input current, but only the frequency factor itself.
Different mediums were tested from air, to conductive ionized gasses and jellies.

fluid tests are not yet concluded.


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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #221 on: January 03, 2017, 02:58:00 AM »
Hi sm0ky2,


Just would like you to know I'm very interested in what your're presently testing and grateful you are sharing your finding.
Just last week I had a thought that if these devices are correctly built they may perpetuate themselves. So I'm stunned to see you're coming to the same conclusion with your actual physical tests.


I'm looking forward to join in when I have a little time.


Kind regards


Luc

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #222 on: January 07, 2017, 04:46:47 AM »
I had the most rediculous idea


While re-watching one of Lidmotors videos
of an electrostatic motor design.
Basically the inverse of an ion generator


So I thought of an electrostatic qumogen
Of course it can't work right?


We'll find out soon enough

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #223 on: January 08, 2017, 04:38:11 AM »
I realized the 'neutral' bar is only necessary for the bi-directional induction machines
Machines that use a stationary inductor do not require this piece
The neutral bar was grandfathered in from machines of the time


Remove that and remove friction
I'm adding a video to my YouTube channel
Showing the "Voss style" machine with no neutral bar

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #224 on: January 08, 2017, 10:51:15 PM »

 

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