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Author Topic: Source of energy, Testatika  (Read 211797 times)

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #135 on: November 02, 2012, 08:51:45 PM »
@TinselKoala: but there's the point: if I use a motor it's like that: let's say the motor drives at about 50 revolutions/second and does this for 10 seconds to charge the capacitor up, then it's a minimum of 500 rps already. Compared to that, Baumann only needed 10 rotations to charge up the cap. Something in Baumann's principle experiment setup must have been overly efficient.
Yes, I agree with you there. But also, as far as I know, nobody else has been able to reproduce the Principal Experiment, even though the materials and construction seem simple enough. It's strange and tantalising that many static machines do exist that look superficially like the PE and the full Testatika, both single and twindisk versions, but none of them are anywhere near the output performance of Baumann's devices.

Beta emitters could be used effectively to "pre-charge" or add just enough charge to get enough coldfield emission so that a non-contact induction static machine like a Bonetti, or an electrophorus/capacitance device like I think the PE is, to "start" its induction/voltage amplification process. But the major energy will still be coming from whatever drives the physical motion of the parts. If you had a beta emitter strong enough actually to supply the full power that the machines exhibited, you'd not be able to stand in the same room with it, I don't think.

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #135 on: November 02, 2012, 08:51:45 PM »

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #136 on: November 02, 2012, 10:03:37 PM »
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If you had a beta emitter strong enough actually to supply the full power that the machines exhibited, you'd not be able to stand in the same room with it, I don't think.
Well, shielding beta radiation is not that big problem (if the energy is not too high). But then you get heat...

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #137 on: November 03, 2012, 06:18:43 PM »
One beta particle from strontium90 (0.5 Mev produces 86000 ions on absorption in a metal) and radium emanations with 10 times the energy would probably produce up to 100 times more particles on absorption.
Paul Brown's patent 4,835,433 used such emanation directly. Brown was killed in a road accident in 2001. Brown's cell was quite small and functioned by the direct absorption of radioactive emanations from strontium 90 by a resonant tuned circuit. Paul Brown's system was built and it worked giving 400 volts at 23 amps or 9 KW by direct radiation absorption.
So radioactivity can be directly used, whether it was used in the Testatika is another question, but it seems to me one plausible physical explanation.




 


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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #138 on: November 03, 2012, 07:51:13 PM »
One beta particle from strontium90 (0.5 Mev produces 86000 ions on absorption in a metal) and radium emanations with 10 times the energy would probably produce up to 100 times more particles on absorption.
Paul Brown's patent 4,835,433 used such emanation directly. Brown was killed in a road accident in 2001. Brown's cell was quite small and functioned by the direct absorption of radioactive emanations from strontium 90 by a resonant tuned circuit. Paul Brown's system was built and it worked giving 400 volts at 23 amps or 9 KW by direct radiation absorption.
So radioactivity can be directly used, whether it was used in the Testatika is another question, but it seems to me one plausible physical explanation.

So why, then, does NASA use plutonium - powered thermoelectric generators for its robotic spacecraft, then? More suppression of miracle free energy tech?

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #139 on: November 03, 2012, 08:23:24 PM »
I am acquainted with the president of the company for whom Paul Brown worked, specifically founded to exploit Brown's work. He wrote a book about this whole sorry tale, "The Half-Life of a Nuclear battery" riddled with politics, political interests and so on, the usual stuff.[size=78%] [/size]

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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #140 on: November 03, 2012, 08:31:07 PM »
Thanks, I'll look for the book. Maybe there's an answer to my question in there.

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #141 on: November 03, 2012, 10:51:32 PM »

Paul Brown's Nuclear battery:-"The Half-Life of a Nuclear Battery" by Philip H. Talbert ISBN 978-0-615-23375-8 published 2008. Amazon have it.
also:- http://www.rexresearch.com/nucell/nucell.htm

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Offline gauschor

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #142 on: November 04, 2012, 02:17:42 PM »
What if both of these were only milliVolts?

Linden Experiment: 700 Volts
Principle Experiment: 60 Volts

Linden Experiment: holding a sandwich (copper-paper-aluminium) in between 2 fingers and measure the voltage. If you have somehow wet skin you'll achieve a value ranging from 500-700mV. I verified it myself.

Principle Experiment: charging up a cap to 60mV using the specified setup may just work for this. If anyone has replicated the setup please try it out. I will do myself, but I don't have access to building material for a while. I am quite certain the 10 rotations may work for the low amount milliVolts.

The only thing which seems to disprove the above mentioned is that a crackling sound was heard as Baumann discharged the opposite poles of the cap against each other. That wouldn't be possible with such low amount of Volts...

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #143 on: November 04, 2012, 03:44:34 PM »
Sure it is possible to directly convert radioactive energy to electricity, this knowledge is about as old as the discovery of radioactivity.
But you need strong radioactive stuff. As it seems, Brown used directly radioactive stuff, which IMHO we can exclude for Baumann's devices, as it is highly unlikely he could have got this stuff, and he also said, that he doesn't use radioactive stuff.
There would only be the possibility to extremely excite any very low radioactive stuff (which Baumann maybe wouldn't have termed radioactive) . And as I said, the excitement would then have had to be extreme! IMHO very unlikely. Sure I do think it is possible to excite radioactive decay, but not with these factors! This would IMHO have surely already long been discovered by mainstream science.
I also strongly suspect that Brown's battery developed quite some heat.  I don't know, did it?


Then we have the problem, of where should the radioactive stuff have been hidden? As we now know, it certainly wasn't in the long rear tubes. And if we believe in the various reports, there was not much space left in the big pots.
 As S&S could ,AFAIK as the only persons, take a machine apart, and didn't see anything special except some different metals and coils and  the perspex stuff, I just wouldn't know, where the radioactive source should have been hidden.


It is also not compatible with the many hints Baumann gave, upon the working principle of the machine. He also clearly said to S&S, that it takes "electricity from the air".
Also to various other visitors he and also Bosshard always explained the machines in that way, that they get their energy from air ions.
So either they lied, but then the whole story becomes anyways shady and a fake would IMHO be more likely than the radioactive theory, or the machines did really get the power from the air.
But then we still have, as I already mentioned,  the other hints about the machines, which are IMHO just not compatible with the radioactive source theory:
* the machine stopped after a while in a closed room.
* the machine didn't work in a faraday cage
* the machine did output more power during a thunderstorm


Therefore is my personal conclusion: Did it use a radioactive source? Possible, but very unlikely.


@gauschor:
As you said, the loud bang after he shorted the caps is surely not compatible with a wrong reading. But this is not the case for the Linden-Experiment...

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #144 on: November 04, 2012, 04:53:29 PM »
I believe Baumann died a year ago, so unless he passed the secret on we may never know how the testatika worked.

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #145 on: November 05, 2012, 07:41:38 PM »
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I believe Baumann died a year ago, so unless he passed the secret on we may never know how the testatika worked.


Yes. And I also think, if what the different visitors said is true, then there's now probably no one anymore who knows details about the machine.


But if anyone is ever able to replicate it, and I have no doubt that this will be done (maybe in the distant future... ;) ), then we will know how it worked. But until then...
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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #146 on: November 08, 2012, 01:05:49 PM »

There is another possibility that Baumann discovered something similar to Louis Rota (wikirota.org/en). Rota claimed to have discovered an energy in the earth similar to earth currents which he called "universal currents". They are similar to electric current except they will decompose metals. There over 361 of these different currents and groups of them flow in the earth's crust.
According to Rota each metal consists of a group of universal currents locked together, so for example copper consists of four universal currents locked together and iron seven or eight different currents.
If any metal is put in contact with one its component currents by for example burying it in an area in which the current exist, the metal will slowly dissolve yielding all its component currents as a group. These released currents can be in high or low potential depending on the metal but can yield enormous energy.
I was involved i digging up a Rota block in France many years ago and a lot of what was found is on the wikirota site.
To some up, there appears to be another way in which metals can be disintegrated yielding energy.
High voltages appear to be the way of starting the process of dissolving metal into universal current rather than the nuclear form we are used to.


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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #147 on: November 21, 2012, 09:05:45 PM »
Looking at this picture http://rimstar.org/sdenergy/testa/misc/testabig.jpg I wonder if the grilles are
a) wire meshes
b) perforated metal sheets

Maybe it's relevant which one of these are used. It actually looks quite hard to determine, if they are of type (a) or (b), despite the large picture. In my opinion it looks like b), what do you think?

If it b) I wonder which shops (in Europe) sell metal sheets with such small quadratic holes. Most of the shops I found have a smallest hole size of 4mm...

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #148 on: November 23, 2012, 06:10:56 PM »
I had an enlightening idea lately. I bet most of you know the electrostatic disc motor powered by the laws of attraction / repulsion. The self-running small Testatika also is based on that, if I recall correctly.

Now you can discharge voltage against each others pole and transform this impulse to a little bit more amperage with a default transformer. Now, instead of transforming the impulses downwards - what if one would transform the voltage UPWARDS? Wouldn't this create even higher potential than before?

Now let's continue the thought experiment and recall that the Testatika disc has no direct brush contacts, but is still able to pick up energy. 2 brushes are for "picking up the energy" and 2-4 other brushes most likely to drive the disc.

After the first rotation the picked up potential will be too less for anything, even after transforming up the voltage, but a couple of rotations could reach that goal. This would also explain, why the small Testatika needs to be rotated by hand a couple of times: simply to build up enough potential difference to get the disc started. Once a certain potential is reached it would continue rotating by itself. Certainly the device would lose some of it's potential because of the environment, but by using the transformer to put the voltage up it can produce enough to keep the required potential difference for spinning the disc, including some excess potential. The transformed potential difference is always higher than the one on the disc - which results in the disc rotating faster and faster. This also matches with Baumann's statement that it would rotate faster and faster.

The rectifier diode on top of the machine can be a simple arrangement which simply discharges 2 poles against each other at a certain distance if a potential high enough is reached, nothing else (and can be ignored for the experiment).

So far the theory, what do you think about it?

(This would not explain the wattage it produces, but maybe how it entirely self-runs)

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Re: Source of energy, Testatika
« Reply #149 on: November 27, 2012, 12:18:23 PM »
I met Stefan Marinov several times in the early nineties and got to know him quite well. As you know he was certain that overunity exists and did several experiments to try to prove it.
He told me that when he visited Methernita and was allowed to play with the small testatika he could start it by spinning the disk and the disk offered a slight resistance to a finger before finally stalling. Marinov said to Baumann and Bossard that they had discovered a free energy perpetual motion machine, to which Baumann replied "but perpetual motion is impossible" or words to that effect.
Marinov knew his physics, he was, at one time, an assistant professor of physics in the universtiy of Graz (?).
Marinov's final experiment on the "Ampere Bridge" a version of which he thought was overunity was proven by his friend Prof. Pappas not to be overunity, that is,  the electromagnetic field is conserved. This sees to have been a major contribution  to Marinov's suicide.


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